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Re: Listbox option values are only accessible in focus mode

 

On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 03:34 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I think they should if they read the manuals etc. If not, well, they would have to go back to the documentation and learn.
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Precisely.  

We repeatedly see that no matter what defaults may be, some don't like them and some don't understand them.  There is no solution to that other than to familiarize yourself with how your software works, regardless of how you go about doing that.

I've never found the way that NVDA handles dropdown boxes to be particularly difficult or counterintuitive.  And I've never seen anyone else question the behavior in the past.  [And this is not a criticism about having questioned it, just an observation.]
 
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Re: Listbox option values are only accessible in focus mode

Sarah k Alawami
 

I think they should if they read the manuals etc. If not, well, they would have to go back to the documentation and learn.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of bestuiexperience
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 11:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Listbox option values are only accessible in focus mode

 

There is an expand/collapse button which causes the listbox to expand/collapse. The listbox options are navigable using the arrow keys. The problem is NVDA does not automatically go into focus mode when the listbox is expanded. So if the user happened to be in browse mode they would hear the listbox name and the word list and the word clickable and the name of the first entry in the list. So my question is, would the typical NVDA user realize that they must switch to focus mode whenever they hear the word clickable?


Re: Don't Want To Hear nvda Say "menu item"

Sarah k Alawami
 

Can you do everything in focus mode? This might get rid of the menu problem.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 2:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Don't Want To Hear nvda Say "menu item"

 

John,

Since I don't have a Roku account, I can't explore whether there are any accessibility settings you may be able to turn on for this page.  I suspect if there are you will have a significantly "decluttered" experience.

Even the things being announced as menu items aren't really menu items in the conventional sense of the term, but I can see why they are designated as such since they're graphics showing the shows with play buttons associated with each and you are making a selection.  It's certainly a type of menu, but not a "menu as we all know them" menu.
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Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

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Re: Listbox option values are only accessible in focus mode

bestuiexperience
 

There is an expand/collapse button which causes the listbox to expand/collapse. The listbox options are navigable using the arrow keys. The problem is NVDA does not automatically go into focus mode when the listbox is expanded. So if the user happened to be in browse mode they would hear the listbox name and the word list and the word clickable and the name of the first entry in the list. So my question is, would the typical NVDA user realize that they must switch to focus mode whenever they hear the word clickable?


Re: NVDA-accessible accounting/tax prep software for businesses?

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi Nolan!

For accounting software, I understand "Wave" (below) is accessible. Seemingly, the basic version is free.

https://www.waveapps.com/accounting

HTH,
Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nolan Darilek
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 6:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA-accessible accounting/tax prep software for businesses?

Hey folks,


Last year I used TaxAct.com for a fairly non-complicated (single-member LLC taxed as S corporation filing 1120S) business tax situation. It was kind of a mess and overkill for what I needed, so this year I just filed the extension with them and now I'm looking for alternatives.


Does anyone here have a good, accessible, tax prep software or website recommendation that works well with NVDA? I'll be doing my own research as well, and I'm not asking individually if it supports specific tax situations. With these, though, you end up handing over and SSN or other identifying information before you can even get to the point where you're evaluating the software, and given that my data may have recently been subject to a T-mobile breach, I'm not super keen to spread it among
5-6 pieces of software I may not end up using. I'm almost tempted to figure out if I can fill out the forms electronically and submit them that way, since my situation is pretty much the least complicated arrangement you can have above just taking tax passthrough status.


Related: any good accounting software recommendations? QuickBooks Online is painful to the point that I can feel my blood pressure rising every time I get an email asking me to log in and attend to some task or other, even though it usually links me directly to the page I need.
Intuit is anything but intuitive where accessibility is involved. :)


Thanks.


Re: NVDA-accessible accounting/tax prep software for businesses?

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello Nolan,

I personally use H&R Block for my tax preparation. I file my own taxes, and find accessibility to work well. I've only used them for the basic tax prep as a single filer, but they seem to be pretty comprehensive, and they have the added perk of being able to connect with actual tax preparers should you decide that your tax situation is too complicated.

As for accounting software, Quickbooks xs the only one I know of, unless you are able to use something like moneytalks, a really old program I am not sure is even around anymore, and may not tie into other services very well.

Thanks.

On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 6:47 AM Nolan Darilek <nolan@...> wrote:
Hey folks,


Last year I used TaxAct.com for a fairly non-complicated (single-member
LLC taxed as S corporation filing 1120S) business tax situation. It was
kind of a mess and overkill for what I needed, so this year I just filed
the extension with them and now I'm looking for alternatives.


Does anyone here have a good, accessible, tax prep software or website
recommendation that works well with NVDA? I'll be doing my own research
as well, and I'm not asking individually if it supports specific tax
situations. With these, though, you end up handing over and SSN or other
identifying information before you can even get to the point where
you're evaluating the software, and given that my data may have recently
been subject to a T-mobile breach, I'm not super keen to spread it among
5-6 pieces of software I may not end up using. I'm almost tempted to
figure out if I can fill out the forms electronically and submit them
that way, since my situation is pretty much the least complicated
arrangement you can have above just taking tax passthrough status.


Related: any good accounting software recommendations? QuickBooks Online
is painful to the point that I can feel my blood pressure rising every
time I get an email asking me to log in and attend to some task or
other, even though it usually links me directly to the page I need.
Intuit is anything but intuitive where accessibility is involved. :)


Thanks.








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NVDA-accessible accounting/tax prep software for businesses?

Nolan Darilek
 

Hey folks,


Last year I used TaxAct.com for a fairly non-complicated (single-member LLC taxed as S corporation filing 1120S) business tax situation. It was kind of a mess and overkill for what I needed, so this year I just filed the extension with them and now I'm looking for alternatives.


Does anyone here have a good, accessible, tax prep software or website recommendation that works well with NVDA? I'll be doing my own research as well, and I'm not asking individually if it supports specific tax situations. With these, though, you end up handing over and SSN or other identifying information before you can even get to the point where you're evaluating the software, and given that my data may have recently been subject to a T-mobile breach, I'm not super keen to spread it among 5-6 pieces of software I may not end up using. I'm almost tempted to figure out if I can fill out the forms electronically and submit them that way, since my situation is pretty much the least complicated arrangement you can have above just taking tax passthrough status.


Related: any good accounting software recommendations? QuickBooks Online is painful to the point that I can feel my blood pressure rising every time I get an email asking me to log in and attend to some task or other, even though it usually links me directly to the page I need. Intuit is anything but intuitive where accessibility is involved. :)


Thanks.


Re: Listbox option values are only accessible in focus mode

 

Isn't what you describe the typical behavior?

When I land on a listbox it's not until I expand it that I can traverse the list of options, which is precisely what I'd expect.  If I were in browse mode and landed on a listbox NVDA should shift to focus mode when one expands (clicks on, whether literal or keyboard equivalent) the listbox.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

 


Listbox option values are only accessible in focus mode

bestuiexperience
 

I am working with a listbox from a UI library called downshift. It seems that with NVDA the user can only navigate the options with the cursor when in focus mode.
In browse mode, the options are not read out. I noticed that when in browse mode, before the list is announced NVDA says "clickable", but when already in focus mode it does not.
My question is would this announcement of "clickable" be enough to clue an NVDA user in that they must switch to focus mode in order to navigate the selections? 
Or should I provide them with some aria-describedby text advising them to switch to focus mode if they have trouble navigating and hearing the options.
Replacing this component, is unfortunately not an option at this time...


Re: Don't Want To Hear nvda Say "menu item"

 

John,

Since I don't have a Roku account, I can't explore whether there are any accessibility settings you may be able to turn on for this page.  I suspect if there are you will have a significantly "decluttered" experience.

Even the things being announced as menu items aren't really menu items in the conventional sense of the term, but I can see why they are designated as such since they're graphics showing the shows with play buttons associated with each and you are making a selection.  It's certainly a type of menu, but not a "menu as we all know them" menu.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

 


Don't Want To Hear nvda Say "menu item"

John Altmeyer
 

Hi,


To hear what I can't tolerate hearing, please visit the Roku Channel link below.  For me, it is tantamount to an audio challenge.


When navigating the menu, I am forced to use screen review. Otherwise, every up or down arrow announces "menu item", and I can't make out exactly what is in the text.


A solution is more than just a little bit appreciated.  As an aside, my hearing isn't the best due to tinnitus.


Teen Wolf

https://l.email1.roku.com/rts/go2.aspx?h=364633&tp=i-1NGB-I8-6dT-1yHpfP-1n-4c6q3-1c-1xtP1a-l6SBCBNIiq-cLFUn


Re: BrailleExtender demo/tutorial-regarding

Richard Wells
 

I found Dennis's work to be extremely helpful in understanding the
Braille Extender add-on.

On 8/22/2021 6:37 AM, dennis huckle wrote:
Hello,
Some time ago I wrote a short guide as a text file regarding navigating a pc with nvda and a focus braille display.
If you feel this may be of use come back off list
dwhuckle@... Kind regards,
Dennis huckle.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: 22 August 2021 05:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] BrailleExtender demo/tutorial-regarding

Hi Solomon


I am not aware of any audio tutorial for that add on. The closest you will get is the documentation for the braille extender add on by pressing the nvda key + letter N then arr-owing down to the add on then right to the documentation menu. After you go into it it should explain what the different parts do.


Gene nz

  .


the21/08/2021 2:54 pm, soloman s wrote:

Hello all,
Could someone share/direct me to a good resource for using
BrailleExtender NVDA Addon?
I prefer a good podcast/tutorial.
Thanks much in advance!







Re: BrailleExtender demo/tutorial-regarding

dennis huckle <denniswhuckle@...>
 

Hello,
Some time ago I wrote a short guide as a text file regarding navigating a pc with nvda and a focus braille display.
If you feel this may be of use come back off list
dwhuckle@... Kind regards,
Dennis huckle.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: 22 August 2021 05:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] BrailleExtender demo/tutorial-regarding

Hi Solomon


I am not aware of any audio tutorial for that add on. The closest you will get is the documentation for the braille extender add on by pressing the nvda key + letter N then arr-owing down to the add on then right to the documentation menu. After you go into it it should explain what the different parts do.


Gene nz

  .


the21/08/2021 2:54 pm, soloman s wrote:

Hello all,
Could someone share/direct me to a good resource for using
BrailleExtender NVDA Addon?
I prefer a good podcast/tutorial.
Thanks much in advance!


BrailleExtender demo/tutorial-regarding

soloman s
 

Hello Gene ma'm,
Thank you for the tip but I could not make out anything.
I'll try and play with the addon.
Thank you very much for the resourceful site!

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teachsolo@...


Re: BrailleExtender demo/tutorial-regarding

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi Solomon


I am not aware of any audio tutorial for that add on. The closest you will get is the documentation for the braille extender add on by pressing the nvda key + letter N then arr-owing down to the add on then right to the documentation menu. After you go into it it should explain what the different parts do.


Gene nz

  .


the21/08/2021 2:54 pm, soloman s wrote:

Hello all,
Could someone share/direct me to a good resource for using
BrailleExtender NVDA Addon?
I prefer a good podcast/tutorial.
Thanks much in advance!


Re: A new tutorial which explores and demonstrates the Input Gestures Dialog in NVDA is out

David Ouimet
 

Thank you Theequinn for posting your new tutorial on working with the NVDA gestures in the settings menu. It is so helpful how you teach in your youtube tutorials. You describe each step in your descriptions so well! 

David


BrailleExtender demo/tutorial-regarding

soloman s
 

Hello all,
Could someone share/direct me to a good resource for using
BrailleExtender NVDA Addon?
I prefer a good podcast/tutorial.
Thanks much in advance!

--
With warm regards
Solomon S
teachsolo@...


Re: Code Factry’s Eloquence spells space, and others instead of

Sarah k Alawami
 

Right, they don't really respond, or they say that x will be fixed, but nothing is. I've had nothing but bad luck when it comes to contacting them regarding issues I've had. They don't really care, or so it seems.

Thanks though, happy friday.

On 19 Aug 2021, at 22:55, Quentin Christensen wrote:

At the bottom of the Code Factory Eloquence page there are several options for reporting:

- A link to their helpdesk: http://www.codefactory.cat/helpdesk/
- A link to their contact us page, which has a form and an email address: https://codefactoryglobal.com/contact-us/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 5:32 AM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
Yep I have.  It drives me absolutely nuts. Who can we report this to? Also I can't find a way to speed up the spell voice as well, is this yet another bug?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 10:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Code Factry’s Eloquence spells space, and others instead of

Have anyone of you guys noticed that Eloquence, contained witin the Code Factory’s NVDA combo, for spaces, dashes and others, instead of stating them by name, it spells them out? Not annoying, but nevertheless I wish they’d fix this ittle issue.

Gera
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Re: keyboard separate voice, idea?

Janet Brandly
 

Hi,

 

Window-Eyes had a feature where you could adjust any speech parameters for the keyboard, mouse, and reading voices separately. I loved that feature and really miss it in NVDA.

 

Janet

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: August 19, 2021 10:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] keyboard separate voice, idea?

 

Hi Curtis,

 

Late replying, but it doesn't look like anyone has.  I don't specifically have an answer for you, but the main thing I'd suggest is adding the request as an issue on our issue tracker: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues - I'm not sure if anyone else has requested it before, but if they have that's where it should be as well.

 

Kind regards


Quentin.

 

On Sun, Aug 1, 2021 at 6:17 AM Curtis Delzer <curtis@...> wrote:

What if we wish a completely different voice for keyboard, or especially
the speed? I became use to being able to adjust my keyboard voice many
times faster than my reading speed. In my case, hearing the letters from
the keyboard voice reassures me of error-less input, and the faster the
voice the better I can type and faster I can too. :)
THANKS
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Re: Code Factry’s Eloquence spells space, and others instead of

Josh Kennedy
 

I reported stuff and it seems like codeFactory doesn't really care.

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