On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 04:53 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

have been using this add-on for quite a while, but, if I try to activate the options button right now, in the portable version of thunderbird,

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1.  I did not know that there even existed a portable version of Thunderbird.

2.  There are times, and this may be one of them, where how a portable version behaves and an installed version behaves are very different.  While this is unusual, it is absolutely not unheard of.

I use portable versions of all sorts of programs, but an email client would not be among the class of program that I, personally, want the portable version for.

All testing was done with NVDA 2021.3, the latest version of the Mozilla App Enhancements Add-On, and installed Thunderbird version 91.5.1 (32-bit).  As a general rule, I try as best I can to keep absolutely everything updated to their respective latest versions. Once the Options button is pressed, the behavior I get arrowing through the column selection column and checking, unchecking (with the exception of the announce only once weirdness) is precisely the same as I get with no screen reader involved and doing the same actions via the keyboard (as a mouse point and click is not the same test).  It does not just randomly close, I have to hit Escape to close it.

By the way, with the "announce only once" weirdness if I arrow off, then back on, to the column in the list when I land on it again the checked/unchecked status is always announced.  It's only when you remain sitting on that column and keep hitting Enter to toggle the status that things remain silent.  So if you've somehow forgotten whether the column you currently have focus on is checked or unchecked, just up or down arrow off of it then up or down arrow back on to it and you'll know.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 

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Well being jaws you probably need jaws scripts for google docs.

 

 

 

On 4/02/2022 7:54 am, Jonathan Milam wrote:

Actually, JAWS is apparently worse, because I can't even read a Google Doc in browse mode with JAWS.  I can of course read it within Focus mode with NVDA, but the drawback there is that I can't easily use WebNav commands.

 

 

Jonathan

 

 

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 1:42 PM Milam, Jonathan <milamj@...> wrote:

Hi Brian,

 

It seems to only happen with docs that are more than a few pages in length.  Interestingly enough, JAWS doesn't have this issue.  Can anyone else replicate?

 

Jonathan

 

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 12:34 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 12:00 PM, Jonathan Milam wrote:

I've actually been having this problem for quite a while, and it just never gets resolved unfortunately.

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Just curious, but what is the size (roughly, and in pages) of these documents?   I'm wondering if this is a "large document" issue or if it occurs on trivially short documents as well.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 

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What closes the dialog?  when you press the options button, you can up and down arrow through the list of headers.  Are you saying you can't do that?  Are you saying that pressing the space bar on the options button closes the dialog?

Gene

On 2/4/2022 3:52 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

Brian, just a quick question - have been using this add-on for quite a while, but, if I try to activate the options button right now, in the portable version of thunderbird, while the column ordering works fine, it immediately closes the dialogue, with nothing else happening, and, while I do hear a tone, there's nothing showing up in the log contents?

As in, just wondering if/when some form of compatibility issue could have arisen in this context?, since definitely used the functionality before?

And, this is on windows 10 64 bit 21H2, with NVDA 2021.3.1, and, the version of the add-on shows up as 1.15, while the current version of thunderbird is 91.5.0, but, it is the portable version.

If nobody else experiences this behaviour, I might need to try disabling some other add-ons, or something to try figure it out, but, not the end of the world for me at moment.

Jacob Kruger
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2022-02-03 11:01 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

The documentation for this add-on is, shall we say, scant.  It requires a lot of figuring out if you don't know how to use many of its features.

We have another topic today discussing an issue with a Thunderbird column having made its appearance and being read as zero, and that column is not wanted.  The easiest thing to do is to use this add-on to hide each and every column you know you don't care to see, then after doing that rearranging them in the left to right order you want them to have. 

Using the Thunderbird Columns Arranging Feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements NVDA Add-On

This presumes you’ve already got Thunderbird open and are sitting with your Inbox displaying and with focus on some specific message in the message list.  It makes no difference which one.

1.        Hit NVDA+H.  This displays a dialog, entitled Manage Columns, in which you can change the order of the columns in the message list.

2.      All of the Thunderbird columns are shown in a list, in the order they are showing from left to right, when this dialog opens.

3.       Whatever column name has focus is the one that will be manipulated with one or more of the three control buttons that appear directly beneath the list of columns, in order from left to right:

a.      Up  [ALT + U]

b.      Down [ALT + D]

c.       Options [ALT + O]

4.      The Options button opens the native Thunderbird column picker, which allows you to show or hide any given column from display, in a way that you can access it using up and down arrows.  Again, the ordering as shown in that columnar list of columns is leftmost at the top and rightmost at the bottom.  Those columns that are checked are displayed, those columns that are unchecked are not.  You hit Enter to toggle the checked and unchecked state.  Note: while the initial state is announced when you are traversing the column list, for some reason it is not when you hit Enter to change the state, and is never announced again no matter how many times you hit Enter unless you close this dialog and open it again.  This is not likely to be a problem, but you need to be aware of that.  Many people prefer to use the Options button first, and simply eliminate things they never want to see at all, before going back and using the Up/Down buttons to shift columns they do want to the left/right, respectively.  Once you have gone through the columns display list checking and unchecking those you do or do not want displayed, hit Escape.  Note 2:  When you activate the Options button, the native Thunderbird column list picker appears, and the Add-On dialog closes.  If you then want to move columns afterward, you do have to hit NVDA + H to get it to open again.

5.      The buttons are named Up and Down because that’s the actual layout of the column list in the add-on’s dialog. However, you can and should think of moving a column up in that list as moving it Left as it displays in the Inbox columns.  Conversely, down moves the column to the right.  That is the sole purpose of either of those two buttons, to move the selected/focused column to the left or right in the order they’re displayed in the Inbox columns.

6.      Once you’re done with all your rearranging, there is a Close button at the bottom of the dialog.  This button has no shortcut, so you need to navigate to it in order to close the column moving feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements add-on and just go right back to Thunderbird.

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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 

Brian, just a quick question - have been using this add-on for quite a while, but, if I try to activate the options button right now, in the portable version of thunderbird, while the column ordering works fine, it immediately closes the dialogue, with nothing else happening, and, while I do hear a tone, there's nothing showing up in the log contents?

As in, just wondering if/when some form of compatibility issue could have arisen in this context?, since definitely used the functionality before?

And, this is on windows 10 64 bit 21H2, with NVDA 2021.3.1, and, the version of the add-on shows up as 1.15, while the current version of thunderbird is 91.5.0, but, it is the portable version.

If nobody else experiences this behaviour, I might need to try disabling some other add-ons, or something to try figure it out, but, not the end of the world for me at moment.

Jacob Kruger
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2022-02-03 11:01 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

The documentation for this add-on is, shall we say, scant.  It requires a lot of figuring out if you don't know how to use many of its features.

We have another topic today discussing an issue with a Thunderbird column having made its appearance and being read as zero, and that column is not wanted.  The easiest thing to do is to use this add-on to hide each and every column you know you don't care to see, then after doing that rearranging them in the left to right order you want them to have. 

Using the Thunderbird Columns Arranging Feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements NVDA Add-On

This presumes you’ve already got Thunderbird open and are sitting with your Inbox displaying and with focus on some specific message in the message list.  It makes no difference which one.

1.        Hit NVDA+H.  This displays a dialog, entitled Manage Columns, in which you can change the order of the columns in the message list.

2.      All of the Thunderbird columns are shown in a list, in the order they are showing from left to right, when this dialog opens.

3.       Whatever column name has focus is the one that will be manipulated with one or more of the three control buttons that appear directly beneath the list of columns, in order from left to right:

a.      Up  [ALT + U]

b.      Down [ALT + D]

c.       Options [ALT + O]

4.      The Options button opens the native Thunderbird column picker, which allows you to show or hide any given column from display, in a way that you can access it using up and down arrows.  Again, the ordering as shown in that columnar list of columns is leftmost at the top and rightmost at the bottom.  Those columns that are checked are displayed, those columns that are unchecked are not.  You hit Enter to toggle the checked and unchecked state.  Note: while the initial state is announced when you are traversing the column list, for some reason it is not when you hit Enter to change the state, and is never announced again no matter how many times you hit Enter unless you close this dialog and open it again.  This is not likely to be a problem, but you need to be aware of that.  Many people prefer to use the Options button first, and simply eliminate things they never want to see at all, before going back and using the Up/Down buttons to shift columns they do want to the left/right, respectively.  Once you have gone through the columns display list checking and unchecking those you do or do not want displayed, hit Escape.  Note 2:  When you activate the Options button, the native Thunderbird column list picker appears, and the Add-On dialog closes.  If you then want to move columns afterward, you do have to hit NVDA + H to get it to open again.

5.      The buttons are named Up and Down because that’s the actual layout of the column list in the add-on’s dialog. However, you can and should think of moving a column up in that list as moving it Left as it displays in the Inbox columns.  Conversely, down moves the column to the right.  That is the sole purpose of either of those two buttons, to move the selected/focused column to the left or right in the order they’re displayed in the Inbox columns.

6.      Once you’re done with all your rearranging, there is a Close button at the bottom of the dialog.  This button has no shortcut, so you need to navigate to it in order to close the column moving feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements add-on and just go right back to Thunderbird.

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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 

Hi.

This happened to me, updating the add-on fixed it.

cheers,

Mo.

On 04/02/2022 10:19, Jacob Kruger wrote:

Gene, exactly that - just reverts back to message list.

Jacob Kruger
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2022-02-04 12:13 PM, Gene wrote:

What closes the dialog?  when you press the options button, you can up and down arrow through the list of headers.  Are you saying you can't do that?  Are you saying that pressing the space bar on the options button closes the dialog?

Gene

On 2/4/2022 3:52 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

Brian, just a quick question - have been using this add-on for quite a while, but, if I try to activate the options button right now, in the portable version of thunderbird, while the column ordering works fine, it immediately closes the dialogue, with nothing else happening, and, while I do hear a tone, there's nothing showing up in the log contents?

As in, just wondering if/when some form of compatibility issue could have arisen in this context?, since definitely used the functionality before?

And, this is on windows 10 64 bit 21H2, with NVDA 2021.3.1, and, the version of the add-on shows up as 1.15, while the current version of thunderbird is 91.5.0, but, it is the portable version.

If nobody else experiences this behaviour, I might need to try disabling some other add-ons, or something to try figure it out, but, not the end of the world for me at moment.

Jacob Kruger
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2022-02-03 11:01 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

The documentation for this add-on is, shall we say, scant.  It requires a lot of figuring out if you don't know how to use many of its features.

We have another topic today discussing an issue with a Thunderbird column having made its appearance and being read as zero, and that column is not wanted.  The easiest thing to do is to use this add-on to hide each and every column you know you don't care to see, then after doing that rearranging them in the left to right order you want them to have. 

Using the Thunderbird Columns Arranging Feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements NVDA Add-On

This presumes you’ve already got Thunderbird open and are sitting with your Inbox displaying and with focus on some specific message in the message list.  It makes no difference which one.

1.        Hit NVDA+H.  This displays a dialog, entitled Manage Columns, in which you can change the order of the columns in the message list.

2.      All of the Thunderbird columns are shown in a list, in the order they are showing from left to right, when this dialog opens.

3.       Whatever column name has focus is the one that will be manipulated with one or more of the three control buttons that appear directly beneath the list of columns, in order from left to right:

a.      Up  [ALT + U]

b.      Down [ALT + D]

c.       Options [ALT + O]

4.      The Options button opens the native Thunderbird column picker, which allows you to show or hide any given column from display, in a way that you can access it using up and down arrows.  Again, the ordering as shown in that columnar list of columns is leftmost at the top and rightmost at the bottom.  Those columns that are checked are displayed, those columns that are unchecked are not.  You hit Enter to toggle the checked and unchecked state.  Note: while the initial state is announced when you are traversing the column list, for some reason it is not when you hit Enter to change the state, and is never announced again no matter how many times you hit Enter unless you close this dialog and open it again.  This is not likely to be a problem, but you need to be aware of that.  Many people prefer to use the Options button first, and simply eliminate things they never want to see at all, before going back and using the Up/Down buttons to shift columns they do want to the left/right, respectively.  Once you have gone through the columns display list checking and unchecking those you do or do not want displayed, hit Escape.  Note 2:  When you activate the Options button, the native Thunderbird column list picker appears, and the Add-On dialog closes.  If you then want to move columns afterward, you do have to hit NVDA + H to get it to open again.

5.      The buttons are named Up and Down because that’s the actual layout of the column list in the add-on’s dialog. However, you can and should think of moving a column up in that list as moving it Left as it displays in the Inbox columns.  Conversely, down moves the column to the right.  That is the sole purpose of either of those two buttons, to move the selected/focused column to the left or right in the order they’re displayed in the Inbox columns.

6.      Once you’re done with all your rearranging, there is a Close button at the bottom of the dialog.  This button has no shortcut, so you need to navigate to it in order to close the column moving feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements add-on and just go right back to Thunderbird.

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 

Gene, exactly that - just reverts back to message list.

Jacob Kruger
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2022-02-04 12:13 PM, Gene wrote:

What closes the dialog?  when you press the options button, you can up and down arrow through the list of headers.  Are you saying you can't do that?  Are you saying that pressing the space bar on the options button closes the dialog?

Gene

On 2/4/2022 3:52 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

Brian, just a quick question - have been using this add-on for quite a while, but, if I try to activate the options button right now, in the portable version of thunderbird, while the column ordering works fine, it immediately closes the dialogue, with nothing else happening, and, while I do hear a tone, there's nothing showing up in the log contents?

As in, just wondering if/when some form of compatibility issue could have arisen in this context?, since definitely used the functionality before?

And, this is on windows 10 64 bit 21H2, with NVDA 2021.3.1, and, the version of the add-on shows up as 1.15, while the current version of thunderbird is 91.5.0, but, it is the portable version.

If nobody else experiences this behaviour, I might need to try disabling some other add-ons, or something to try figure it out, but, not the end of the world for me at moment.

Jacob Kruger
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2022-02-03 11:01 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

The documentation for this add-on is, shall we say, scant.  It requires a lot of figuring out if you don't know how to use many of its features.

We have another topic today discussing an issue with a Thunderbird column having made its appearance and being read as zero, and that column is not wanted.  The easiest thing to do is to use this add-on to hide each and every column you know you don't care to see, then after doing that rearranging them in the left to right order you want them to have. 

Using the Thunderbird Columns Arranging Feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements NVDA Add-On

This presumes you’ve already got Thunderbird open and are sitting with your Inbox displaying and with focus on some specific message in the message list.  It makes no difference which one.

1.        Hit NVDA+H.  This displays a dialog, entitled Manage Columns, in which you can change the order of the columns in the message list.

2.      All of the Thunderbird columns are shown in a list, in the order they are showing from left to right, when this dialog opens.

3.       Whatever column name has focus is the one that will be manipulated with one or more of the three control buttons that appear directly beneath the list of columns, in order from left to right:

a.      Up  [ALT + U]

b.      Down [ALT + D]

c.       Options [ALT + O]

4.      The Options button opens the native Thunderbird column picker, which allows you to show or hide any given column from display, in a way that you can access it using up and down arrows.  Again, the ordering as shown in that columnar list of columns is leftmost at the top and rightmost at the bottom.  Those columns that are checked are displayed, those columns that are unchecked are not.  You hit Enter to toggle the checked and unchecked state.  Note: while the initial state is announced when you are traversing the column list, for some reason it is not when you hit Enter to change the state, and is never announced again no matter how many times you hit Enter unless you close this dialog and open it again.  This is not likely to be a problem, but you need to be aware of that.  Many people prefer to use the Options button first, and simply eliminate things they never want to see at all, before going back and using the Up/Down buttons to shift columns they do want to the left/right, respectively.  Once you have gone through the columns display list checking and unchecking those you do or do not want displayed, hit Escape.  Note 2:  When you activate the Options button, the native Thunderbird column list picker appears, and the Add-On dialog closes.  If you then want to move columns afterward, you do have to hit NVDA + H to get it to open again.

5.      The buttons are named Up and Down because that’s the actual layout of the column list in the add-on’s dialog. However, you can and should think of moving a column up in that list as moving it Left as it displays in the Inbox columns.  Conversely, down moves the column to the right.  That is the sole purpose of either of those two buttons, to move the selected/focused column to the left or right in the order they’re displayed in the Inbox columns.

6.      Once you’re done with all your rearranging, there is a Close button at the bottom of the dialog.  This button has no shortcut, so you need to navigate to it in order to close the column moving feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements add-on and just go right back to Thunderbird.

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 

What closes the dialog?  when you press the options button, you can up and down arrow through the list of headers.  Are you saying you can't do that?  Are you saying that pressing the space bar on the options button closes the dialog?

Gene

On 2/4/2022 3:52 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

Brian, just a quick question - have been using this add-on for quite a while, but, if I try to activate the options button right now, in the portable version of thunderbird, while the column ordering works fine, it immediately closes the dialogue, with nothing else happening, and, while I do hear a tone, there's nothing showing up in the log contents?

As in, just wondering if/when some form of compatibility issue could have arisen in this context?, since definitely used the functionality before?

And, this is on windows 10 64 bit 21H2, with NVDA 2021.3.1, and, the version of the add-on shows up as 1.15, while the current version of thunderbird is 91.5.0, but, it is the portable version.

If nobody else experiences this behaviour, I might need to try disabling some other add-ons, or something to try figure it out, but, not the end of the world for me at moment.

Jacob Kruger
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2022-02-03 11:01 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

The documentation for this add-on is, shall we say, scant.  It requires a lot of figuring out if you don't know how to use many of its features.

We have another topic today discussing an issue with a Thunderbird column having made its appearance and being read as zero, and that column is not wanted.  The easiest thing to do is to use this add-on to hide each and every column you know you don't care to see, then after doing that rearranging them in the left to right order you want them to have. 

Using the Thunderbird Columns Arranging Feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements NVDA Add-On

This presumes you’ve already got Thunderbird open and are sitting with your Inbox displaying and with focus on some specific message in the message list.  It makes no difference which one.

1.        Hit NVDA+H.  This displays a dialog, entitled Manage Columns, in which you can change the order of the columns in the message list.

2.      All of the Thunderbird columns are shown in a list, in the order they are showing from left to right, when this dialog opens.

3.       Whatever column name has focus is the one that will be manipulated with one or more of the three control buttons that appear directly beneath the list of columns, in order from left to right:

a.      Up  [ALT + U]

b.      Down [ALT + D]

c.       Options [ALT + O]

4.      The Options button opens the native Thunderbird column picker, which allows you to show or hide any given column from display, in a way that you can access it using up and down arrows.  Again, the ordering as shown in that columnar list of columns is leftmost at the top and rightmost at the bottom.  Those columns that are checked are displayed, those columns that are unchecked are not.  You hit Enter to toggle the checked and unchecked state.  Note: while the initial state is announced when you are traversing the column list, for some reason it is not when you hit Enter to change the state, and is never announced again no matter how many times you hit Enter unless you close this dialog and open it again.  This is not likely to be a problem, but you need to be aware of that.  Many people prefer to use the Options button first, and simply eliminate things they never want to see at all, before going back and using the Up/Down buttons to shift columns they do want to the left/right, respectively.  Once you have gone through the columns display list checking and unchecking those you do or do not want displayed, hit Escape.  Note 2:  When you activate the Options button, the native Thunderbird column list picker appears, and the Add-On dialog closes.  If you then want to move columns afterward, you do have to hit NVDA + H to get it to open again.

5.      The buttons are named Up and Down because that’s the actual layout of the column list in the add-on’s dialog. However, you can and should think of moving a column up in that list as moving it Left as it displays in the Inbox columns.  Conversely, down moves the column to the right.  That is the sole purpose of either of those two buttons, to move the selected/focused column to the left or right in the order they’re displayed in the Inbox columns.

6.      Once you’re done with all your rearranging, there is a Close button at the bottom of the dialog.  This button has no shortcut, so you need to navigate to it in order to close the column moving feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements add-on and just go right back to Thunderbird.

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 

Brian, just a quick question - have been using this add-on for quite a while, but, if I try to activate the options button right now, in the portable version of thunderbird, while the column ordering works fine, it immediately closes the dialogue, with nothing else happening, and, while I do hear a tone, there's nothing showing up in the log contents?

As in, just wondering if/when some form of compatibility issue could have arisen in this context?, since definitely used the functionality before?

And, this is on windows 10 64 bit 21H2, with NVDA 2021.3.1, and, the version of the add-on shows up as 1.15, while the current version of thunderbird is 91.5.0, but, it is the portable version.

If nobody else experiences this behaviour, I might need to try disabling some other add-ons, or something to try figure it out, but, not the end of the world for me at moment.

Jacob Kruger
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2022-02-03 11:01 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

The documentation for this add-on is, shall we say, scant.  It requires a lot of figuring out if you don't know how to use many of its features.

We have another topic today discussing an issue with a Thunderbird column having made its appearance and being read as zero, and that column is not wanted.  The easiest thing to do is to use this add-on to hide each and every column you know you don't care to see, then after doing that rearranging them in the left to right order you want them to have. 

Using the Thunderbird Columns Arranging Feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements NVDA Add-On

This presumes you’ve already got Thunderbird open and are sitting with your Inbox displaying and with focus on some specific message in the message list.  It makes no difference which one.

1.        Hit NVDA+H.  This displays a dialog, entitled Manage Columns, in which you can change the order of the columns in the message list.

2.      All of the Thunderbird columns are shown in a list, in the order they are showing from left to right, when this dialog opens.

3.       Whatever column name has focus is the one that will be manipulated with one or more of the three control buttons that appear directly beneath the list of columns, in order from left to right:

a.      Up  [ALT + U]

b.      Down [ALT + D]

c.       Options [ALT + O]

4.      The Options button opens the native Thunderbird column picker, which allows you to show or hide any given column from display, in a way that you can access it using up and down arrows.  Again, the ordering as shown in that columnar list of columns is leftmost at the top and rightmost at the bottom.  Those columns that are checked are displayed, those columns that are unchecked are not.  You hit Enter to toggle the checked and unchecked state.  Note: while the initial state is announced when you are traversing the column list, for some reason it is not when you hit Enter to change the state, and is never announced again no matter how many times you hit Enter unless you close this dialog and open it again.  This is not likely to be a problem, but you need to be aware of that.  Many people prefer to use the Options button first, and simply eliminate things they never want to see at all, before going back and using the Up/Down buttons to shift columns they do want to the left/right, respectively.  Once you have gone through the columns display list checking and unchecking those you do or do not want displayed, hit Escape.  Note 2:  When you activate the Options button, the native Thunderbird column list picker appears, and the Add-On dialog closes.  If you then want to move columns afterward, you do have to hit NVDA + H to get it to open again.

5.      The buttons are named Up and Down because that’s the actual layout of the column list in the add-on’s dialog. However, you can and should think of moving a column up in that list as moving it Left as it displays in the Inbox columns.  Conversely, down moves the column to the right.  That is the sole purpose of either of those two buttons, to move the selected/focused column to the left or right in the order they’re displayed in the Inbox columns.

6.      Once you’re done with all your rearranging, there is a Close button at the bottom of the dialog.  This button has no shortcut, so you need to navigate to it in order to close the column moving feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements add-on and just go right back to Thunderbird.

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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 

The documentation for this add-on is, shall we say, scant.  It requires a lot of figuring out if you don't know how to use many of its features.

We have another topic today discussing an issue with a Thunderbird column having made its appearance and being read as zero, and that column is not wanted.  The easiest thing to do is to use this add-on to hide each and every column you know you don't care to see, then after doing that rearranging them in the left to right order you want them to have. 

Using the Thunderbird Columns Arranging Feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements NVDA Add-On

This presumes you’ve already got Thunderbird open and are sitting with your Inbox displaying and with focus on some specific message in the message list.  It makes no difference which one.

1.        Hit NVDA+H.  This displays a dialog, entitled Manage Columns, in which you can change the order of the columns in the message list.

2.      All of the Thunderbird columns are shown in a list, in the order they are showing from left to right, when this dialog opens.

3.       Whatever column name has focus is the one that will be manipulated with one or more of the three control buttons that appear directly beneath the list of columns, in order from left to right:

a.      Up  [ALT + U]

b.      Down [ALT + D]

c.       Options [ALT + O]

4.      The Options button opens the native Thunderbird column picker, which allows you to show or hide any given column from display, in a way that you can access it using up and down arrows.  Again, the ordering as shown in that columnar list of columns is leftmost at the top and rightmost at the bottom.  Those columns that are checked are displayed, those columns that are unchecked are not.  You hit Enter to toggle the checked and unchecked state.  Note: while the initial state is announced when you are traversing the column list, for some reason it is not when you hit Enter to change the state, and is never announced again no matter how many times you hit Enter unless you close this dialog and open it again.  This is not likely to be a problem, but you need to be aware of that.  Many people prefer to use the Options button first, and simply eliminate things they never want to see at all, before going back and using the Up/Down buttons to shift columns they do want to the left/right, respectively.  Once you have gone through the columns display list checking and unchecking those you do or do not want displayed, hit Escape.  Note 2:  When you activate the Options button, the native Thunderbird column list picker appears, and the Add-On dialog closes.  If you then want to move columns afterward, you do have to hit NVDA + H to get it to open again.

5.      The buttons are named Up and Down because that’s the actual layout of the column list in the add-on’s dialog. However, you can and should think of moving a column up in that list as moving it Left as it displays in the Inbox columns.  Conversely, down moves the column to the right.  That is the sole purpose of either of those two buttons, to move the selected/focused column to the left or right in the order they’re displayed in the Inbox columns.

6.      Once you’re done with all your rearranging, there is a Close button at the bottom of the dialog.  This button has no shortcut, so you need to navigate to it in order to close the column moving feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements add-on and just go right back to Thunderbird.

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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 

Hello,

Here are my opinions on both speech synths.

First, Code Factory voices for NVDA

Pros:

• You get two voices, bundled together in one package.
• affordable, low costs add-on for NVDA on the market, if you are looking for inexpensive voices to use with NVDA.
• Seven days free trial.
• Uses the new, up to date embedded voices from Nuance.

Cons:

• Automatic language switching support just doesn't work.
• No compack voices, if you're a fan of those.
• Code Factory's support is terrible.
• Doesn't have an ability to check the remaining activations
• Some pronunciation issues with Eloquence.

Now, for Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer

Pros:

• Wide variety of compack voices to choose from.
• Automatic language switching support does work.
• Rui is usually quick in responding to emails, when you have problems.
• You get an email alert, whenever you deactivate a license from a computer, to tell you of your activation count.
• Convenient ways to check your activation count, via the website, and from within the Vocalizer driver itself.

Cons:

• Not the cheapest option, if you're on a tight budget.
• Uses the slightly outdated voices (1.1.1), while Code Factory uses the Vocalizer expressive 2 voices.
• No free trial, unfortunately.
• The driver that you get from the main website (https://vocalizer-nvda.com), sometimes may not be the newest.

Bottom line:

If you want Eloquence, and Vocalizer voices bundled together in one package, and don't mind Code Factory's support, automatic language switching support isn't your priority, then go for Code Factory voices. You could save yourself a few bucks.

But, if you don't mind spending a little more cash, and outdated voices aren't a problem for you, go with Tiflotecnia vocalizer. Especially if automatic language switching support, and the technical support is your top priority.

Socheat

On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 3:18 AM Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:

I asked this question a while back but got no response.  I purchased my
vocalizer/eloquinse NVDA addon from AT guys.  The addon was produced by
Code Factory.  There is another on line vendor called Tiflotecnia.  Is
the same addon also produced by Code Factory?  If they are two different
addons, which works best with the latest version of NVDA.
Thanks