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Re: The Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On: How to use it to customize Thunderbird mailbox columns displayed

 

Gene,

I am not questioning your choices, as we should all do as we see fit.

But in regard to all modern web browsers, if you are employing their sync functions, and a very great many of us do, if you keep the default sync settings then everything "automagically" reappears on any machine where you log in to your respective browser sync account in an installed version of said browser.  That's the absolute beauty of it.  You can set up, temporarily, a "guest person" for yourself under a friend's Google Chrome, Firefox, etc., and when you link that "guest person" to your sync account, everything about your usual environment is already there.

I have never, and probably will never, use a portable version of an e-mail client.  But I also don't use email clients other than for testing for the group we're on now and others like it.  I am a strong believer in webmail because everything is, by default, "always there" when you log in with your account, no matter who's machine you happen to be logging in on, with no sync needed, since everything other than your session is handled in the cloud.
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Re: The Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On: How to use it to customize Thunderbird mailbox columns displayed

Gene
 

I use Thunderbird portable and the add-on works properly.  Indeed, the more I see the advantages of using Thunderbird portable, the more strongly I maintain that if you are going to use Thunderbird, it should be the portable version.


As some people may know on the list, I just got a Windows 10 machine.  Because I use Thunderbird portable, all I had to do was copy the files from my old machine to my new one.  The add-on that allows first letter navigation was preserved, and my address book was preserved. 


Also, if something becomes corrupted I don't have to spend any time troubleshooting.  I just delete the copy I'm using and place a backup where the copy was that I was using. 


The same with Firefox portable.  I copied the files and my book marks and history are present on the new machine.


Gene

On 2/4/2022 9:11 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 04:53 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:
have been using this add-on for quite a while, but, if I try to activate the options button right now, in the portable version of thunderbird,
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1.  I did not know that there even existed a portable version of Thunderbird.

2.  There are times, and this may be one of them, where how a portable version behaves and an installed version behaves are very different.  While this is unusual, it is absolutely not unheard of.

I use portable versions of all sorts of programs, but an email client would not be among the class of program that I, personally, want the portable version for.

All testing was done with NVDA 2021.3, the latest version of the Mozilla App Enhancements Add-On, and installed Thunderbird version 91.5.1 (32-bit).  As a general rule, I try as best I can to keep absolutely everything updated to their respective latest versions. Once the Options button is pressed, the behavior I get arrowing through the column selection column and checking, unchecking (with the exception of the announce only once weirdness) is precisely the same as I get with no screen reader involved and doing the same actions via the keyboard (as a mouse point and click is not the same test).  It does not just randomly close, I have to hit Escape to close it.

By the way, with the "announce only once" weirdness if I arrow off, then back on, to the column in the list when I land on it again the checked/unchecked status is always announced.  It's only when you remain sitting on that column and keep hitting Enter to toggle the status that things remain silent.  So if you've somehow forgotten whether the column you currently have focus on is checked or unchecked, just up or down arrow off of it then up or down arrow back on to it and you'll know.
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The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: link for nvda elequence add-on:

Kenny Peyattt jr.
 

Hi quentin,

Thanks for the link. I might be purchasing later.

Kind regards,

Kenny Peyatt jr.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 9:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] link for nvda elequence add-on:

 

You can also get it from Code Factory at: https://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/

 

On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 4:31 AM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

Go to http://atguys.com and go to the education section. Therein you will find the add ons you seek, or at least, the last time I was there, I did.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kenny Peyattt jr.
Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 9:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] link for nvda elequence add-on:

 

Hi Can you send me the link to the nvda eloquence add-on for purchase?

Kind regards,

Kenny Peyatt jr.


 

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Re: Google Docs and Browse Mode

Jonathan Milam
 

Yeah I could do that, but as Brian said, it's a work-around that we actually shouldn't have to do.  I actually did reach out to Google Accessibility and they weren't able to replicate my issue. :(

Jonathan


On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 9:58 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 09:47 AM, Louis Maher wrote:
Can you down load it as a Microsoft word file?
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I imagine it is possible to download and open locally if the program that can open the file is on a given machine, and this would be a good workaround.

That being said, Google Docs is so commonly used now that if major accessibility issues are creeping in, they really need to be addressed.  Google does have a Disability Support Team, and if you go to, g.co/disabilitysupport, to reach out to them they will file a ticket about any issues raised, and help with any troubleshooting.
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The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: The Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On: How to use it to customize Thunderbird mailbox columns displayed

 

On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 04:53 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:
have been using this add-on for quite a while, but, if I try to activate the options button right now, in the portable version of thunderbird,
-
1.  I did not know that there even existed a portable version of Thunderbird.

2.  There are times, and this may be one of them, where how a portable version behaves and an installed version behaves are very different.  While this is unusual, it is absolutely not unheard of.

I use portable versions of all sorts of programs, but an email client would not be among the class of program that I, personally, want the portable version for.

All testing was done with NVDA 2021.3, the latest version of the Mozilla App Enhancements Add-On, and installed Thunderbird version 91.5.1 (32-bit).  As a general rule, I try as best I can to keep absolutely everything updated to their respective latest versions. Once the Options button is pressed, the behavior I get arrowing through the column selection column and checking, unchecking (with the exception of the announce only once weirdness) is precisely the same as I get with no screen reader involved and doing the same actions via the keyboard (as a mouse point and click is not the same test).  It does not just randomly close, I have to hit Escape to close it.

By the way, with the "announce only once" weirdness if I arrow off, then back on, to the column in the list when I land on it again the checked/unchecked status is always announced.  It's only when you remain sitting on that column and keep hitting Enter to toggle the status that things remain silent.  So if you've somehow forgotten whether the column you currently have focus on is checked or unchecked, just up or down arrow off of it then up or down arrow back on to it and you'll know.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: Google Docs and Browse Mode

 

On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 09:47 AM, Louis Maher wrote:
Can you down load it as a Microsoft word file?
-
I imagine it is possible to download and open locally if the program that can open the file is on a given machine, and this would be a good workaround.

That being said, Google Docs is so commonly used now that if major accessibility issues are creeping in, they really need to be addressed.  Google does have a Disability Support Team, and if you go to, g.co/disabilitysupport, to reach out to them they will file a ticket about any issues raised, and help with any troubleshooting.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: Google Docs and Browse Mode

Louis Maher
 

Can you down load it as a Microsoft word file?

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christopher Bartlett
Sent: Friday, February 4, 2022 6:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Docs and Browse Mode

 

I encountered a situation yesterday where I was attempting to read a 20 page google doc and couldn't use say all in either mode.  Also, the Google Docs keyboard shortcut crtl-alt-a ctrl-alt/r, which is supposed to read the document aloud from the cursor wasn't working.

 

Christopher Bartlett

 

 

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 8:24 PM Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

 

Well being jaws you probably need jaws scripts for google docs.

 

 

 

On 4/02/2022 7:54 am, Jonathan Milam wrote:

Actually, JAWS is apparently worse, because I can't even read a Google Doc in browse mode with JAWS.  I can of course read it within Focus mode with NVDA, but the drawback there is that I can't easily use WebNav commands.

 

 

Jonathan

 

 

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 1:42 PM Milam, Jonathan <milamj@...> wrote:

Hi Brian,

 

It seems to only happen with docs that are more than a few pages in length.  Interestingly enough, JAWS doesn't have this issue.  Can anyone else replicate?

 

Jonathan

 

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 12:34 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 12:00 PM, Jonathan Milam wrote:

I've actually been having this problem for quite a while, and it just never gets resolved unfortunately.

-
Just curious, but what is the size (roughly, and in pages) of these documents?   I'm wondering if this is a "large document" issue or if it occurs on trivially short documents as well.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


 

--

Christopher Bartlett


Re: The Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On: How to use it to customize Thunderbird mailbox columns displayed

tim
 

That is what the email stated. And that is just what it does.

On 2/4/2022 5:13 AM, Gene wrote:

What closes the dialog?  when you press the options button, you can up and down arrow through the list of headers.  Are you saying you can't do that?  Are you saying that pressing the space bar on the options button closes the dialog?


Gene

On 2/4/2022 3:52 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

Brian, just a quick question - have been using this add-on for quite a while, but, if I try to activate the options button right now, in the portable version of thunderbird, while the column ordering works fine, it immediately closes the dialogue, with nothing else happening, and, while I do hear a tone, there's nothing showing up in the log contents?


As in, just wondering if/when some form of compatibility issue could have arisen in this context?, since definitely used the functionality before?


And, this is on windows 10 64 bit 21H2, with NVDA 2021.3.1, and, the version of the add-on shows up as 1.15, while the current version of thunderbird is 91.5.0, but, it is the portable version.


If nobody else experiences this behaviour, I might need to try disabling some other add-ons, or something to try figure it out, but, not the end of the world for me at moment.


Jacob Kruger
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2022-02-03 11:01 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
The documentation for this add-on is, shall we say, scant.  It requires a lot of figuring out if you don't know how to use many of its features.

We have another topic today discussing an issue with a Thunderbird column having made its appearance and being read as zero, and that column is not wanted.  The easiest thing to do is to use this add-on to hide each and every column you know you don't care to see, then after doing that rearranging them in the left to right order you want them to have. 

Using the Thunderbird Columns Arranging Feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements NVDA Add-On

This presumes you’ve already got Thunderbird open and are sitting with your Inbox displaying and with focus on some specific message in the message list.  It makes no difference which one.

1.        Hit NVDA+H.  This displays a dialog, entitled Manage Columns, in which you can change the order of the columns in the message list.

2.      All of the Thunderbird columns are shown in a list, in the order they are showing from left to right, when this dialog opens.

3.       Whatever column name has focus is the one that will be manipulated with one or more of the three control buttons that appear directly beneath the list of columns, in order from left to right:

a.      Up  [ALT + U]

b.      Down [ALT + D]

c.       Options [ALT + O]

4.      The Options button opens the native Thunderbird column picker, which allows you to show or hide any given column from display, in a way that you can access it using up and down arrows.  Again, the ordering as shown in that columnar list of columns is leftmost at the top and rightmost at the bottom.  Those columns that are checked are displayed, those columns that are unchecked are not.  You hit Enter to toggle the checked and unchecked state.  Note: while the initial state is announced when you are traversing the column list, for some reason it is not when you hit Enter to change the state, and is never announced again no matter how many times you hit Enter unless you close this dialog and open it again.  This is not likely to be a problem, but you need to be aware of that.  Many people prefer to use the Options button first, and simply eliminate things they never want to see at all, before going back and using the Up/Down buttons to shift columns they do want to the left/right, respectively.  Once you have gone through the columns display list checking and unchecking those you do or do not want displayed, hit Escape.  Note 2:  When you activate the Options button, the native Thunderbird column list picker appears, and the Add-On dialog closes.  If you then want to move columns afterward, you do have to hit NVDA + H to get it to open again.

5.      The buttons are named Up and Down because that’s the actual layout of the column list in the add-on’s dialog. However, you can and should think of moving a column up in that list as moving it Left as it displays in the Inbox columns.  Conversely, down moves the column to the right.  That is the sole purpose of either of those two buttons, to move the selected/focused column to the left or right in the order they’re displayed in the Inbox columns.

6.      Once you’re done with all your rearranging, there is a Close button at the bottom of the dialog.  This button has no shortcut, so you need to navigate to it in order to close the column moving feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements add-on and just go right back to Thunderbird.

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: The Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On: How to use it to customize Thunderbird mailbox columns displayed

tim
 

Strange your getting that problem.

I reported that same problem over 8 months ago and was told its not a problem.

nice to know it is.

On 2/4/2022 4:52 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

Brian, just a quick question - have been using this add-on for quite a while, but, if I try to activate the options button right now, in the portable version of thunderbird, while the column ordering works fine, it immediately closes the dialogue, with nothing else happening, and, while I do hear a tone, there's nothing showing up in the log contents?


As in, just wondering if/when some form of compatibility issue could have arisen in this context?, since definitely used the functionality before?


And, this is on windows 10 64 bit 21H2, with NVDA 2021.3.1, and, the version of the add-on shows up as 1.15, while the current version of thunderbird is 91.5.0, but, it is the portable version.


If nobody else experiences this behaviour, I might need to try disabling some other add-ons, or something to try figure it out, but, not the end of the world for me at moment.


Jacob Kruger
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2022-02-03 11:01 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
The documentation for this add-on is, shall we say, scant.  It requires a lot of figuring out if you don't know how to use many of its features.

We have another topic today discussing an issue with a Thunderbird column having made its appearance and being read as zero, and that column is not wanted.  The easiest thing to do is to use this add-on to hide each and every column you know you don't care to see, then after doing that rearranging them in the left to right order you want them to have. 

Using the Thunderbird Columns Arranging Feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements NVDA Add-On

This presumes you’ve already got Thunderbird open and are sitting with your Inbox displaying and with focus on some specific message in the message list.  It makes no difference which one.

1.        Hit NVDA+H.  This displays a dialog, entitled Manage Columns, in which you can change the order of the columns in the message list.

2.      All of the Thunderbird columns are shown in a list, in the order they are showing from left to right, when this dialog opens.

3.       Whatever column name has focus is the one that will be manipulated with one or more of the three control buttons that appear directly beneath the list of columns, in order from left to right:

a.      Up  [ALT + U]

b.      Down [ALT + D]

c.       Options [ALT + O]

4.      The Options button opens the native Thunderbird column picker, which allows you to show or hide any given column from display, in a way that you can access it using up and down arrows.  Again, the ordering as shown in that columnar list of columns is leftmost at the top and rightmost at the bottom.  Those columns that are checked are displayed, those columns that are unchecked are not.  You hit Enter to toggle the checked and unchecked state.  Note: while the initial state is announced when you are traversing the column list, for some reason it is not when you hit Enter to change the state, and is never announced again no matter how many times you hit Enter unless you close this dialog and open it again.  This is not likely to be a problem, but you need to be aware of that.  Many people prefer to use the Options button first, and simply eliminate things they never want to see at all, before going back and using the Up/Down buttons to shift columns they do want to the left/right, respectively.  Once you have gone through the columns display list checking and unchecking those you do or do not want displayed, hit Escape.  Note 2:  When you activate the Options button, the native Thunderbird column list picker appears, and the Add-On dialog closes.  If you then want to move columns afterward, you do have to hit NVDA + H to get it to open again.

5.      The buttons are named Up and Down because that’s the actual layout of the column list in the add-on’s dialog. However, you can and should think of moving a column up in that list as moving it Left as it displays in the Inbox columns.  Conversely, down moves the column to the right.  That is the sole purpose of either of those two buttons, to move the selected/focused column to the left or right in the order they’re displayed in the Inbox columns.

6.      Once you’re done with all your rearranging, there is a Close button at the bottom of the dialog.  This button has no shortcut, so you need to navigate to it in order to close the column moving feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements add-on and just go right back to Thunderbird.

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: Google Docs and Browse Mode

Jonathan Milam
 

Yes, I have this issue as well.  When you loaded the document, were you able to see it in its entirety from beginning to end in browse mode?

Jonathan


On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 7:59 AM Christopher Bartlett <themusicalbrewer@...> wrote:
I encountered a situation yesterday where I was attempting to read a 20 page google doc and couldn't use say all in either mode.  Also, the Google Docs keyboard shortcut crtl-alt-a ctrl-alt/r, which is supposed to read the document aloud from the cursor wasn't working.

Christopher Bartlett


On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 8:24 PM Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:


Well being jaws you probably need jaws scripts for google docs.




On 4/02/2022 7:54 am, Jonathan Milam wrote:
Actually, JAWS is apparently worse, because I can't even read a Google Doc in browse mode with JAWS.  I can of course read it within Focus mode with NVDA, but the drawback there is that I can't easily use WebNav commands.


Jonathan


On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 1:42 PM Milam, Jonathan <milamj@...> wrote:
Hi Brian,

It seems to only happen with docs that are more than a few pages in length.  Interestingly enough, JAWS doesn't have this issue.  Can anyone else replicate?

Jonathan

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 12:34 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 12:00 PM, Jonathan Milam wrote:
I've actually been having this problem for quite a while, and it just never gets resolved unfortunately.
-
Just curious, but what is the size (roughly, and in pages) of these documents?   I'm wondering if this is a "large document" issue or if it occurs on trivially short documents as well.
--

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       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 



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Jonathan

 

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Re: Google Docs and Browse Mode

Christopher Bartlett
 

I encountered a situation yesterday where I was attempting to read a 20 page google doc and couldn't use say all in either mode.  Also, the Google Docs keyboard shortcut crtl-alt-a ctrl-alt/r, which is supposed to read the document aloud from the cursor wasn't working.

Christopher Bartlett


On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 8:24 PM Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:


Well being jaws you probably need jaws scripts for google docs.




On 4/02/2022 7:54 am, Jonathan Milam wrote:
Actually, JAWS is apparently worse, because I can't even read a Google Doc in browse mode with JAWS.  I can of course read it within Focus mode with NVDA, but the drawback there is that I can't easily use WebNav commands.


Jonathan


On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 1:42 PM Milam, Jonathan <milamj@...> wrote:
Hi Brian,

It seems to only happen with docs that are more than a few pages in length.  Interestingly enough, JAWS doesn't have this issue.  Can anyone else replicate?

Jonathan

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 12:34 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 12:00 PM, Jonathan Milam wrote:
I've actually been having this problem for quite a while, and it just never gets resolved unfortunately.
-
Just curious, but what is the size (roughly, and in pages) of these documents?   I'm wondering if this is a "large document" issue or if it occurs on trivially short documents as well.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 



--
Christopher Bartlett


Re: The Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On: How to use it to customize Thunderbird mailbox columns displayed

Jacob Kruger
 

I just uninstalled, and reinstalled add-on, and, same thing - am guessing some other add-on and this one are somehow interfering with each other, since have quite a few installed, but, let's see.


Jacob Kruger
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2022-02-04 12:23 PM, Mobeen Iqbal wrote:

Hi.

This happened to me, updating the add-on fixed it.

cheers,

Mo.

On 04/02/2022 10:19, Jacob Kruger wrote:

Gene, exactly that - just reverts back to message list.


Jacob Kruger
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2022-02-04 12:13 PM, Gene wrote:

What closes the dialog?  when you press the options button, you can up and down arrow through the list of headers.  Are you saying you can't do that?  Are you saying that pressing the space bar on the options button closes the dialog?


Gene

On 2/4/2022 3:52 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

Brian, just a quick question - have been using this add-on for quite a while, but, if I try to activate the options button right now, in the portable version of thunderbird, while the column ordering works fine, it immediately closes the dialogue, with nothing else happening, and, while I do hear a tone, there's nothing showing up in the log contents?


As in, just wondering if/when some form of compatibility issue could have arisen in this context?, since definitely used the functionality before?


And, this is on windows 10 64 bit 21H2, with NVDA 2021.3.1, and, the version of the add-on shows up as 1.15, while the current version of thunderbird is 91.5.0, but, it is the portable version.


If nobody else experiences this behaviour, I might need to try disabling some other add-ons, or something to try figure it out, but, not the end of the world for me at moment.


Jacob Kruger
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2022-02-03 11:01 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
The documentation for this add-on is, shall we say, scant.  It requires a lot of figuring out if you don't know how to use many of its features.

We have another topic today discussing an issue with a Thunderbird column having made its appearance and being read as zero, and that column is not wanted.  The easiest thing to do is to use this add-on to hide each and every column you know you don't care to see, then after doing that rearranging them in the left to right order you want them to have. 

Using the Thunderbird Columns Arranging Feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements NVDA Add-On

This presumes you’ve already got Thunderbird open and are sitting with your Inbox displaying and with focus on some specific message in the message list.  It makes no difference which one.

1.        Hit NVDA+H.  This displays a dialog, entitled Manage Columns, in which you can change the order of the columns in the message list.

2.      All of the Thunderbird columns are shown in a list, in the order they are showing from left to right, when this dialog opens.

3.       Whatever column name has focus is the one that will be manipulated with one or more of the three control buttons that appear directly beneath the list of columns, in order from left to right:

a.      Up  [ALT + U]

b.      Down [ALT + D]

c.       Options [ALT + O]

4.      The Options button opens the native Thunderbird column picker, which allows you to show or hide any given column from display, in a way that you can access it using up and down arrows.  Again, the ordering as shown in that columnar list of columns is leftmost at the top and rightmost at the bottom.  Those columns that are checked are displayed, those columns that are unchecked are not.  You hit Enter to toggle the checked and unchecked state.  Note: while the initial state is announced when you are traversing the column list, for some reason it is not when you hit Enter to change the state, and is never announced again no matter how many times you hit Enter unless you close this dialog and open it again.  This is not likely to be a problem, but you need to be aware of that.  Many people prefer to use the Options button first, and simply eliminate things they never want to see at all, before going back and using the Up/Down buttons to shift columns they do want to the left/right, respectively.  Once you have gone through the columns display list checking and unchecking those you do or do not want displayed, hit Escape.  Note 2:  When you activate the Options button, the native Thunderbird column list picker appears, and the Add-On dialog closes.  If you then want to move columns afterward, you do have to hit NVDA + H to get it to open again.

5.      The buttons are named Up and Down because that’s the actual layout of the column list in the add-on’s dialog. However, you can and should think of moving a column up in that list as moving it Left as it displays in the Inbox columns.  Conversely, down moves the column to the right.  That is the sole purpose of either of those two buttons, to move the selected/focused column to the left or right in the order they’re displayed in the Inbox columns.

6.      Once you’re done with all your rearranging, there is a Close button at the bottom of the dialog.  This button has no shortcut, so you need to navigate to it in order to close the column moving feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements add-on and just go right back to Thunderbird.

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: The Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On: How to use it to customize Thunderbird mailbox columns displayed

Mobeen Iqbal
 

Hi.

This happened to me, updating the add-on fixed it.

cheers,

Mo.

On 04/02/2022 10:19, Jacob Kruger wrote:

Gene, exactly that - just reverts back to message list.


Jacob Kruger
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2022-02-04 12:13 PM, Gene wrote:

What closes the dialog?  when you press the options button, you can up and down arrow through the list of headers.  Are you saying you can't do that?  Are you saying that pressing the space bar on the options button closes the dialog?


Gene

On 2/4/2022 3:52 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

Brian, just a quick question - have been using this add-on for quite a while, but, if I try to activate the options button right now, in the portable version of thunderbird, while the column ordering works fine, it immediately closes the dialogue, with nothing else happening, and, while I do hear a tone, there's nothing showing up in the log contents?


As in, just wondering if/when some form of compatibility issue could have arisen in this context?, since definitely used the functionality before?


And, this is on windows 10 64 bit 21H2, with NVDA 2021.3.1, and, the version of the add-on shows up as 1.15, while the current version of thunderbird is 91.5.0, but, it is the portable version.


If nobody else experiences this behaviour, I might need to try disabling some other add-ons, or something to try figure it out, but, not the end of the world for me at moment.


Jacob Kruger
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2022-02-03 11:01 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
The documentation for this add-on is, shall we say, scant.  It requires a lot of figuring out if you don't know how to use many of its features.

We have another topic today discussing an issue with a Thunderbird column having made its appearance and being read as zero, and that column is not wanted.  The easiest thing to do is to use this add-on to hide each and every column you know you don't care to see, then after doing that rearranging them in the left to right order you want them to have. 

Using the Thunderbird Columns Arranging Feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements NVDA Add-On

This presumes you’ve already got Thunderbird open and are sitting with your Inbox displaying and with focus on some specific message in the message list.  It makes no difference which one.

1.        Hit NVDA+H.  This displays a dialog, entitled Manage Columns, in which you can change the order of the columns in the message list.

2.      All of the Thunderbird columns are shown in a list, in the order they are showing from left to right, when this dialog opens.

3.       Whatever column name has focus is the one that will be manipulated with one or more of the three control buttons that appear directly beneath the list of columns, in order from left to right:

a.      Up  [ALT + U]

b.      Down [ALT + D]

c.       Options [ALT + O]

4.      The Options button opens the native Thunderbird column picker, which allows you to show or hide any given column from display, in a way that you can access it using up and down arrows.  Again, the ordering as shown in that columnar list of columns is leftmost at the top and rightmost at the bottom.  Those columns that are checked are displayed, those columns that are unchecked are not.  You hit Enter to toggle the checked and unchecked state.  Note: while the initial state is announced when you are traversing the column list, for some reason it is not when you hit Enter to change the state, and is never announced again no matter how many times you hit Enter unless you close this dialog and open it again.  This is not likely to be a problem, but you need to be aware of that.  Many people prefer to use the Options button first, and simply eliminate things they never want to see at all, before going back and using the Up/Down buttons to shift columns they do want to the left/right, respectively.  Once you have gone through the columns display list checking and unchecking those you do or do not want displayed, hit Escape.  Note 2:  When you activate the Options button, the native Thunderbird column list picker appears, and the Add-On dialog closes.  If you then want to move columns afterward, you do have to hit NVDA + H to get it to open again.

5.      The buttons are named Up and Down because that’s the actual layout of the column list in the add-on’s dialog. However, you can and should think of moving a column up in that list as moving it Left as it displays in the Inbox columns.  Conversely, down moves the column to the right.  That is the sole purpose of either of those two buttons, to move the selected/focused column to the left or right in the order they’re displayed in the Inbox columns.

6.      Once you’re done with all your rearranging, there is a Close button at the bottom of the dialog.  This button has no shortcut, so you need to navigate to it in order to close the column moving feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements add-on and just go right back to Thunderbird.

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: The Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On: How to use it to customize Thunderbird mailbox columns displayed

Jacob Kruger
 

Gene, exactly that - just reverts back to message list.


Jacob Kruger
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2022-02-04 12:13 PM, Gene wrote:

What closes the dialog?  when you press the options button, you can up and down arrow through the list of headers.  Are you saying you can't do that?  Are you saying that pressing the space bar on the options button closes the dialog?


Gene

On 2/4/2022 3:52 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

Brian, just a quick question - have been using this add-on for quite a while, but, if I try to activate the options button right now, in the portable version of thunderbird, while the column ordering works fine, it immediately closes the dialogue, with nothing else happening, and, while I do hear a tone, there's nothing showing up in the log contents?


As in, just wondering if/when some form of compatibility issue could have arisen in this context?, since definitely used the functionality before?


And, this is on windows 10 64 bit 21H2, with NVDA 2021.3.1, and, the version of the add-on shows up as 1.15, while the current version of thunderbird is 91.5.0, but, it is the portable version.


If nobody else experiences this behaviour, I might need to try disabling some other add-ons, or something to try figure it out, but, not the end of the world for me at moment.


Jacob Kruger
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2022-02-03 11:01 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
The documentation for this add-on is, shall we say, scant.  It requires a lot of figuring out if you don't know how to use many of its features.

We have another topic today discussing an issue with a Thunderbird column having made its appearance and being read as zero, and that column is not wanted.  The easiest thing to do is to use this add-on to hide each and every column you know you don't care to see, then after doing that rearranging them in the left to right order you want them to have. 

Using the Thunderbird Columns Arranging Feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements NVDA Add-On

This presumes you’ve already got Thunderbird open and are sitting with your Inbox displaying and with focus on some specific message in the message list.  It makes no difference which one.

1.        Hit NVDA+H.  This displays a dialog, entitled Manage Columns, in which you can change the order of the columns in the message list.

2.      All of the Thunderbird columns are shown in a list, in the order they are showing from left to right, when this dialog opens.

3.       Whatever column name has focus is the one that will be manipulated with one or more of the three control buttons that appear directly beneath the list of columns, in order from left to right:

a.      Up  [ALT + U]

b.      Down [ALT + D]

c.       Options [ALT + O]

4.      The Options button opens the native Thunderbird column picker, which allows you to show or hide any given column from display, in a way that you can access it using up and down arrows.  Again, the ordering as shown in that columnar list of columns is leftmost at the top and rightmost at the bottom.  Those columns that are checked are displayed, those columns that are unchecked are not.  You hit Enter to toggle the checked and unchecked state.  Note: while the initial state is announced when you are traversing the column list, for some reason it is not when you hit Enter to change the state, and is never announced again no matter how many times you hit Enter unless you close this dialog and open it again.  This is not likely to be a problem, but you need to be aware of that.  Many people prefer to use the Options button first, and simply eliminate things they never want to see at all, before going back and using the Up/Down buttons to shift columns they do want to the left/right, respectively.  Once you have gone through the columns display list checking and unchecking those you do or do not want displayed, hit Escape.  Note 2:  When you activate the Options button, the native Thunderbird column list picker appears, and the Add-On dialog closes.  If you then want to move columns afterward, you do have to hit NVDA + H to get it to open again.

5.      The buttons are named Up and Down because that’s the actual layout of the column list in the add-on’s dialog. However, you can and should think of moving a column up in that list as moving it Left as it displays in the Inbox columns.  Conversely, down moves the column to the right.  That is the sole purpose of either of those two buttons, to move the selected/focused column to the left or right in the order they’re displayed in the Inbox columns.

6.      Once you’re done with all your rearranging, there is a Close button at the bottom of the dialog.  This button has no shortcut, so you need to navigate to it in order to close the column moving feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements add-on and just go right back to Thunderbird.

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: The Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On: How to use it to customize Thunderbird mailbox columns displayed

Gene
 

What closes the dialog?  when you press the options button, you can up and down arrow through the list of headers.  Are you saying you can't do that?  Are you saying that pressing the space bar on the options button closes the dialog?


Gene

On 2/4/2022 3:52 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

Brian, just a quick question - have been using this add-on for quite a while, but, if I try to activate the options button right now, in the portable version of thunderbird, while the column ordering works fine, it immediately closes the dialogue, with nothing else happening, and, while I do hear a tone, there's nothing showing up in the log contents?


As in, just wondering if/when some form of compatibility issue could have arisen in this context?, since definitely used the functionality before?


And, this is on windows 10 64 bit 21H2, with NVDA 2021.3.1, and, the version of the add-on shows up as 1.15, while the current version of thunderbird is 91.5.0, but, it is the portable version.


If nobody else experiences this behaviour, I might need to try disabling some other add-ons, or something to try figure it out, but, not the end of the world for me at moment.


Jacob Kruger
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2022-02-03 11:01 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
The documentation for this add-on is, shall we say, scant.  It requires a lot of figuring out if you don't know how to use many of its features.

We have another topic today discussing an issue with a Thunderbird column having made its appearance and being read as zero, and that column is not wanted.  The easiest thing to do is to use this add-on to hide each and every column you know you don't care to see, then after doing that rearranging them in the left to right order you want them to have. 

Using the Thunderbird Columns Arranging Feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements NVDA Add-On

This presumes you’ve already got Thunderbird open and are sitting with your Inbox displaying and with focus on some specific message in the message list.  It makes no difference which one.

1.        Hit NVDA+H.  This displays a dialog, entitled Manage Columns, in which you can change the order of the columns in the message list.

2.      All of the Thunderbird columns are shown in a list, in the order they are showing from left to right, when this dialog opens.

3.       Whatever column name has focus is the one that will be manipulated with one or more of the three control buttons that appear directly beneath the list of columns, in order from left to right:

a.      Up  [ALT + U]

b.      Down [ALT + D]

c.       Options [ALT + O]

4.      The Options button opens the native Thunderbird column picker, which allows you to show or hide any given column from display, in a way that you can access it using up and down arrows.  Again, the ordering as shown in that columnar list of columns is leftmost at the top and rightmost at the bottom.  Those columns that are checked are displayed, those columns that are unchecked are not.  You hit Enter to toggle the checked and unchecked state.  Note: while the initial state is announced when you are traversing the column list, for some reason it is not when you hit Enter to change the state, and is never announced again no matter how many times you hit Enter unless you close this dialog and open it again.  This is not likely to be a problem, but you need to be aware of that.  Many people prefer to use the Options button first, and simply eliminate things they never want to see at all, before going back and using the Up/Down buttons to shift columns they do want to the left/right, respectively.  Once you have gone through the columns display list checking and unchecking those you do or do not want displayed, hit Escape.  Note 2:  When you activate the Options button, the native Thunderbird column list picker appears, and the Add-On dialog closes.  If you then want to move columns afterward, you do have to hit NVDA + H to get it to open again.

5.      The buttons are named Up and Down because that’s the actual layout of the column list in the add-on’s dialog. However, you can and should think of moving a column up in that list as moving it Left as it displays in the Inbox columns.  Conversely, down moves the column to the right.  That is the sole purpose of either of those two buttons, to move the selected/focused column to the left or right in the order they’re displayed in the Inbox columns.

6.      Once you’re done with all your rearranging, there is a Close button at the bottom of the dialog.  This button has no shortcut, so you need to navigate to it in order to close the column moving feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements add-on and just go right back to Thunderbird.

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: The Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On: How to use it to customize Thunderbird mailbox columns displayed

Jacob Kruger
 

Brian, just a quick question - have been using this add-on for quite a while, but, if I try to activate the options button right now, in the portable version of thunderbird, while the column ordering works fine, it immediately closes the dialogue, with nothing else happening, and, while I do hear a tone, there's nothing showing up in the log contents?


As in, just wondering if/when some form of compatibility issue could have arisen in this context?, since definitely used the functionality before?


And, this is on windows 10 64 bit 21H2, with NVDA 2021.3.1, and, the version of the add-on shows up as 1.15, while the current version of thunderbird is 91.5.0, but, it is the portable version.


If nobody else experiences this behaviour, I might need to try disabling some other add-ons, or something to try figure it out, but, not the end of the world for me at moment.


Jacob Kruger
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2022-02-03 11:01 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

The documentation for this add-on is, shall we say, scant.  It requires a lot of figuring out if you don't know how to use many of its features.

We have another topic today discussing an issue with a Thunderbird column having made its appearance and being read as zero, and that column is not wanted.  The easiest thing to do is to use this add-on to hide each and every column you know you don't care to see, then after doing that rearranging them in the left to right order you want them to have. 

Using the Thunderbird Columns Arranging Feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements NVDA Add-On

This presumes you’ve already got Thunderbird open and are sitting with your Inbox displaying and with focus on some specific message in the message list.  It makes no difference which one.

1.        Hit NVDA+H.  This displays a dialog, entitled Manage Columns, in which you can change the order of the columns in the message list.

2.      All of the Thunderbird columns are shown in a list, in the order they are showing from left to right, when this dialog opens.

3.       Whatever column name has focus is the one that will be manipulated with one or more of the three control buttons that appear directly beneath the list of columns, in order from left to right:

a.      Up  [ALT + U]

b.      Down [ALT + D]

c.       Options [ALT + O]

4.      The Options button opens the native Thunderbird column picker, which allows you to show or hide any given column from display, in a way that you can access it using up and down arrows.  Again, the ordering as shown in that columnar list of columns is leftmost at the top and rightmost at the bottom.  Those columns that are checked are displayed, those columns that are unchecked are not.  You hit Enter to toggle the checked and unchecked state.  Note: while the initial state is announced when you are traversing the column list, for some reason it is not when you hit Enter to change the state, and is never announced again no matter how many times you hit Enter unless you close this dialog and open it again.  This is not likely to be a problem, but you need to be aware of that.  Many people prefer to use the Options button first, and simply eliminate things they never want to see at all, before going back and using the Up/Down buttons to shift columns they do want to the left/right, respectively.  Once you have gone through the columns display list checking and unchecking those you do or do not want displayed, hit Escape.  Note 2:  When you activate the Options button, the native Thunderbird column list picker appears, and the Add-On dialog closes.  If you then want to move columns afterward, you do have to hit NVDA + H to get it to open again.

5.      The buttons are named Up and Down because that’s the actual layout of the column list in the add-on’s dialog. However, you can and should think of moving a column up in that list as moving it Left as it displays in the Inbox columns.  Conversely, down moves the column to the right.  That is the sole purpose of either of those two buttons, to move the selected/focused column to the left or right in the order they’re displayed in the Inbox columns.

6.      Once you’re done with all your rearranging, there is a Close button at the bottom of the dialog.  This button has no shortcut, so you need to navigate to it in order to close the column moving feature of the Mozilla Apps Enhancements add-on and just go right back to Thunderbird.

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: The Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On: How to use it to customize Thunderbird mailbox columns displayed

Pele West
 

Hi Brian

Thanks so much for this description of manipulating columns.

Pele West


Re: NVDA Saying 0 In Mozilla Thunderbird

Pele West
 

Hi Mo

Thanks.

That seems to work for a time, and then the zero comes back. I will play around with the settings.

Pele


Re: Vocalizer for NVDA

 

I have gone with the sapi voices.

They can be a bit touchy but if you buy them from atguys then atguys at least has good support.



On 4/02/2022 5:49 pm, Socheat wrote:

Hello,

Here are my opinions on both speech synths.
First, Code Factory voices for NVDA
Pros:
  • You get two voices, bundled together in one package.
  • affordable, low costs add-on for NVDA on the market, if you are looking for inexpensive voices to use with NVDA.
  • Seven days free trial.
  • Uses the new, up to date embedded voices from Nuance.
Cons:
  • Automatic language switching support just doesn't work.
  • No compack voices, if you're a fan of those.
  • Code Factory's support is terrible.
  • Doesn't have an ability to check the remaining activations
  • Some pronunciation issues with Eloquence.

Now, for Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer
Pros:
  • Wide variety of compack voices to choose from.
  • Automatic language switching support does work.
  • Rui is usually quick in responding to emails, when you have problems.
  • You get an email alert, whenever you deactivate a license from a computer, to tell you of your activation count.
  • Convenient ways to check your activation count, via the website, and from within the Vocalizer driver itself.
Cons:
  • Not the cheapest option, if you're on a tight budget.
  • Uses the slightly outdated voices (1.1.1), while Code Factory uses the Vocalizer expressive 2 voices.
  • No free trial, unfortunately.
  • The driver that you get from the main website (https://vocalizer-nvda.com), sometimes may not be the newest.

Bottom line:
If you want Eloquence, and Vocalizer voices bundled together in one package, and don't mind Code Factory's support, automatic language switching support isn't your priority, then go for Code Factory voices. You could save yourself a few bucks.
But, if you don't mind spending a little more cash, and outdated voices aren't a problem for you, go with Tiflotecnia vocalizer. Especially if automatic language switching support, and the technical support is your top priority.

Socheat

On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 3:18 AM Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:
I asked this question a while back but got no response.  I purchased my
vocalizer/eloquinse NVDA addon from AT guys.  The addon was produced by
Code Factory.  There is another on line vendor called Tiflotecnia.  Is
the same addon also produced by Code Factory?  If they are two different
addons, which works best with the latest version of NVDA.
Thanks






Re: Vocalizer for NVDA

Socheat
 

Hello,

Here are my opinions on both speech synths.
First, Code Factory voices for NVDA
Pros:
  • You get two voices, bundled together in one package.
  • affordable, low costs add-on for NVDA on the market, if you are looking for inexpensive voices to use with NVDA.
  • Seven days free trial.
  • Uses the new, up to date embedded voices from Nuance.
Cons:
  • Automatic language switching support just doesn't work.
  • No compack voices, if you're a fan of those.
  • Code Factory's support is terrible.
  • Doesn't have an ability to check the remaining activations
  • Some pronunciation issues with Eloquence.

Now, for Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer
Pros:
  • Wide variety of compack voices to choose from.
  • Automatic language switching support does work.
  • Rui is usually quick in responding to emails, when you have problems.
  • You get an email alert, whenever you deactivate a license from a computer, to tell you of your activation count.
  • Convenient ways to check your activation count, via the website, and from within the Vocalizer driver itself.
Cons:
  • Not the cheapest option, if you're on a tight budget.
  • Uses the slightly outdated voices (1.1.1), while Code Factory uses the Vocalizer expressive 2 voices.
  • No free trial, unfortunately.
  • The driver that you get from the main website (https://vocalizer-nvda.com), sometimes may not be the newest.

Bottom line:
If you want Eloquence, and Vocalizer voices bundled together in one package, and don't mind Code Factory's support, automatic language switching support isn't your priority, then go for Code Factory voices. You could save yourself a few bucks.
But, if you don't mind spending a little more cash, and outdated voices aren't a problem for you, go with Tiflotecnia vocalizer. Especially if automatic language switching support, and the technical support is your top priority.

Socheat

On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 3:18 AM Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:
I asked this question a while back but got no response.  I purchased my
vocalizer/eloquinse NVDA addon from AT guys.  The addon was produced by
Code Factory.  There is another on line vendor called Tiflotecnia.  Is
the same addon also produced by Code Factory?  If they are two different
addons, which works best with the latest version of NVDA.
Thanks