I have experienced a speech delay in Excel spreadsheets when using the
"#" sign.

On Apr 19, 2022, at 1:19 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

Hi,

This is a Chrome problem with all screen readers. It happens with JAWS too.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke
Robinett
Sent: 13 April 2022 18:11
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA not reading aloud usernames/emails in Chrome
saved password dropdowns

Latest versions of windows 10, Chrome and NVDA here. When I am logging into a website and the username or password field has focus, I press alt down arrow to access whatever passwords I have saved for that site. Normally each item in the list would say something like, “password for username1,” “password for email@...,” etc. (Obviously using dummy names for this purpose but you get the idea.) Now NVDA just says “password for.” I’ve observed this behavior in both the current and prior versions of NVDA. If I activate NVDA character recognition I do here the account names so I know they’re physically appearing on the screen.

Oh wow, I just went on to the Google Disability Support website to report an issue, and it’s no longer accessible. Can anyone verify this? I tried with JAWS and NVDA.

Go to the Google Disability Link that Brian correctly gave us.

Now select any method of contacting them, including Online Chat, as you have to fill in the same form first.

Now try to select the Describe Your Issue field, not the first one, which is the search box, but the second one, after your name and Email address. It used to be a combo, now it isn’t. So in effect, I don’t think you can open it with a screen reader to select an option, it just says “Select One” with an asterisk, but screen readers don’t see it as a drop down.

I tried it with NVDA’s activate option, NVDA and Enter, and that didn’t work either.

So I certainly can’t report it.

All the best

Steve

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Hi Gene,

Yes, when I toggle the underline and italics keys NVDA always says that they are on. so I can’t trust it.

Janet

I did a little experimenting and I got the following results:
Turning on report formatting changes in front of the cursor didn't tell me if italics were present in a document.
Turning on phont  attributes did tell me when italics are on and off, but only when using read to end.

My experience regarding when italics is on and off is that the command control i reliably toggles italics on and off.  Do you hear any announcement from NVDA when you toggle it on and off?

Gene

It wasn't clear to me in the previous discussion whether you were referring to the setting I discussed.  If you were referring to something else, I hope you find my suggestion useful.

Gene

On 4/20/2022 10:49 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

Have you tried reading a document or the part you are working on with the setting on that says something like report formatting changes after the cursor?  I haven't played with different ways of getting attribute information to any extent but you may find that a good method to see changes as they occur in a document.

the setting is a checkbox at the end of the document formatting dialog.  The fastest way to get to it is to open document formenting, then shift tab a number of times to it.

When you have finished working with it, you can turn it off with one command, the use saved configuration command, NVDA key control r.

Gene
On 4/20/2022 10:31 AM, Janet Brandly wrote:

Hi Jackie,

Yes, I have used that command but with the formatting not being toggled on and off correctly I'm not sure whether or not to trust that command's accuracy. Brian has given me some e great suggestions.

Janet

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie

Sent: April 20, 2022 9:24 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Formatting issues in Word, add-on?

Have you used NVDA + f to look at your font? It'll say those attributes.

On 4/20/22, Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

Hello all,

Is there an addon for Word that works with the latest NVDA and Windows Ten?

My job requires me to use a Word template in an old version of Word, 

I'm pretty sure it's 1997-2003. This template is on a transcription 

platform. I write within the template and submit it through the 

platform. When  I toggle between Ctrl-U or Ctrl-I for underlining or 

italics, NVDA often reports incorrect status. It usually says that 

they are on each time. This has caused the formatting of documents I 

submit to be incorrect and I'm not sure whether I can trust the report 

formatting command NVDA-F. Is there an addon that would work reliably 

to prevent this problem?

Thank you,

Janet

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Gene,  Thanks.  As I suspected, if this is the site, it's members only.

One of the biggest issues with discussing drag and drop in general is that there are multiple ways it can be implemented and that has a direct impact on how screen readers may (or may not) successfully interact with it via emulated drag and drop.

Here are several different example pages that use different methods for anyone who wishes to play with them to try:

https://mdn.github.io/dom-examples/drag-and-drop/copy-move-DataTransfer.html 

https://mdn.github.io/dom-examples/drag-and-drop/copy-move-DataTransferItemList.html 

https://park.glitch.me 

I have done zero accessibility testing with them, either.

The above pages are in no way comprehensive in that there are other methods to implement drag and drop.  And I have no idea how the site Farhan wishes to use has chosen to implement its own drag and drop functionality.
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This may be something that should be submitted as a ticket.  When I italicize a sentence and use read to end, I accurately hear when italics begins and ends.  But if I only italicize one word in a sentence, I don't hear notice of it using read to end.  If I move by word, I hear the announcement and if I move by character, I hear it. 

If you issue a control I command and hear that italics is on, that is reliable, as is the italics off announcement when you toggle it off.  If you have confidence in that command, you should be able to trust that, regardless of what you hear announced while reading.

Gene

On 4/20/2022 11:14 AM, Janet Brandly wrote:

Hi Gene,

 

Yes, when I toggle the underline and italics keys NVDA always says that they are on. so I can’t trust it.

 

Janet

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: April 20, 2022 10:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Formatting issues in Word, add-on?

 

I did a little experimenting and I got the following results:
Turning on report formatting changes in front of the cursor didn't tell me if italics were present in a document.
Turning on phont  attributes did tell me when italics are on and off, but only when using read to end.

My experience regarding when italics is on and off is that the command control i reliably toggles italics on and off.  Do you hear any announcement from NVDA when you toggle it on and off?

Gene

On 4/20/2022 10:52 AM, Gene wrote:

It wasn't clear to me in the previous discussion whether you were referring to the setting I discussed.  If you were referring to something else, I hope you find my suggestion useful.

Gene

On 4/20/2022 10:49 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

Have you tried reading a document or the part you are working on with the setting on that says something like report formatting changes after the cursor?  I haven't played with different ways of getting attribute information to any extent but you may find that a good method to see changes as they occur in a document.

the setting is a checkbox at the end of the document formatting dialog.  The fastest way to get to it is to open document formenting, then shift tab a number of times to it.

When you have finished working with it, you can turn it off with one command, the use saved configuration command, NVDA key control r.

Gene
On 4/20/2022 10:31 AM, Janet Brandly wrote:

Hi Jackie,

Yes, I have used that command but with the formatting not being toggled on and off correctly I'm not sure whether or not to trust that command's accuracy. Brian has given me some e great suggestions.

Janet

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie

Sent: April 20, 2022 9:24 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Formatting issues in Word, add-on?

Have you used NVDA + f to look at your font? It'll say those attributes.

On 4/20/22, Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

Hello all,

Is there an addon for Word that works with the latest NVDA and Windows Ten?

My job requires me to use a Word template in an old version of Word, 

I'm pretty sure it's 1997-2003. This template is on a transcription 

platform. I write within the template and submit it through the 

platform. When  I toggle between Ctrl-U or Ctrl-I for underlining or 

italics, NVDA often reports incorrect status. It usually says that 

they are on each time. This has caused the formatting of documents I 

submit to be incorrect and I'm not sure whether I can trust the report 

formatting command NVDA-F. Is there an addon that would work reliably 

to prevent this problem?

Thank you,

Janet

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On Apr 19, 2022, at 1:44 PM, margaretm@... wrote:

As an assistive technology instructor, I have a client with an unusual issue with NVDA.  She has a Windows 10 computer, and this problem occurs no matter what browser she uses.  When she opens her email in a browser, she can navigate through the prompts, the software alerts her to what field she is in, and enter data in each one - except the body of the message.  There is no audio prompt that she is in that field.  Strangely enough, the number and characters can still be entered but no letters.  Even more strangely, if she is replying to a message instead of composing an original email, everything works exactly as it should.  If anyone has any suggestions for what is causing this problem and how to resolve it, we would greatly appreciate it!

On Apr 19, 2022, at 1:19 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

Hi,

This is a Chrome problem with all screen readers. It happens with JAWS too.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Robinett
Sent: 13 April 2022 18:11
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA not reading aloud usernames/emails in Chrome saved password dropdowns

Latest versions of windows 10, Chrome and NVDA here. When I am logging into a website and the username or password field has focus, I press alt down arrow to access whatever passwords I have saved for that site. Normally each item in the list would say something like, “password for username1,” “password for email@...,” etc. (Obviously using dummy names for this purpose but you get the idea.) Now NVDA just says “password for.” I’ve observed this behavior in both the current and prior versions of NVDA. If I activate NVDA character recognition I do here the account names so I know they’re physically appearing on the screen.

This may be something that should be submitted as a ticket.  When I
italicize a sentence and use read to end, I accurately hear when italics
begins and ends.  But if I only italicize one word in a sentence, I
don't hear notice of it using read to end.  If I move by word, I hear
the announcement and if I move by character, I hear it.

If you issue a control I command and hear that italics is on, that is
reliable, as is the italics off announcement when you toggle it off.  If
you have confidence in that command, you should be able to trust that,
regardless of what you hear announced while reading.

Gene

On 4/20/2022 11:14 AM, Janet Brandly wrote:

Hi Gene,

Yes, when I toggle the underline and italics keys NVDA always says
that they are on. so I can’t trust it.

Janet

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* April 20, 2022 10:02 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Formatting issues in Word, add-on?

I did a little experimenting and I got the following results:
Turning on report formatting changes in front of the cursor didn't
tell me if italics were present in a document.
Turning on phont  attributes did tell me when italics are on and off,
but only when using read to end.

My experience regarding when italics is on and off is that the command
control i reliably toggles italics on and off.  Do you hear any
announcement from NVDA when you toggle it on and off?

Gene

On 4/20/2022 10:52 AM, Gene wrote:

It wasn't clear to me in the previous discussion whether you were
referring to the setting I discussed.  If you were referring to
something else, I hope you find my suggestion useful.

Gene

On 4/20/2022 10:49 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

Have you tried reading a document or the part you are working
on with the setting on that says something like report
formatting changes after the cursor?  I haven't played with
different ways of getting attribute information to any extent
but you may find that a good method to see changes as they
occur in a document.

the setting is a checkbox at the end of the document
formatting dialog.  The fastest way to get to it is to open
document formenting, then shift tab a number of times to it.

When you have finished working with it, you can turn it off
with one command, the use saved configuration command, NVDA
key control r.

Gene
On 4/20/2022 10:31 AM, Janet Brandly wrote:

Hi Jackie,



Yes, I have used that command but with the formatting not
being toggled on and off correctly I'm not sure whether or not to trust
that command's accuracy. Brian has given me some e great suggestions.



Janet





-----Original Message-----

From:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie

Sent: April 20, 2022 9:24 AM

To:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Formatting issues in Word, add-on?



Have you used NVDA + f to look at your font? It'll say those
attributes.



On 4/20/22, Janet Brandly<jbrandly@...>
<mailto:jbrandly@...> wrote:

Hello all,







Is there an addon for Word that works with the latest NVDA
and Windows Ten?







My job requires me to use a Word template in an old
version of Word,

I'm pretty sure it's 1997-2003. This template is on a
transcription

platform. I write within the template and submit it
through the

platform. When  I toggle between Ctrl-U or Ctrl-I for
underlining or

italics, NVDA often reports incorrect status. It usually
says that

they are on each time. This has caused the formatting of
documents I

submit to be incorrect and I'm not sure whether I can
trust the report

formatting command NVDA-F. Is there an addon that would
work reliably

to prevent this problem?







Thank you,







Janet















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Oh wow, I just went on to the Google Disability Support website to report an issue, and it’s no longer accessible. Can anyone verify this? I tried with JAWS and NVDA.

 

Go to the Google Disability Link that Brian correctly gave us.

 

Now select any method of contacting them, including Online Chat, as you have to fill in the same form first.

 

Now try to select the Describe Your Issue field, not the first one, which is the search box, but the second one, after your name and Email address. It used to be a combo, now it isn’t. So in effect, I don’t think you can open it with a screen reader to select an option, it just says “Select One” with an asterisk, but screen readers don’t see it as a drop down.

 

I tried it with NVDA’s activate option, NVDA and Enter, and that didn’t work either.

 

So I certainly can’t report it.

 

All the best

Steve

 

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 20 April 2022 16:11
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not reading aloud usernames/emails in Chrome saved password dropdowns

 

So this is "on record" for future readers:

Google Accessibility Get In Touch Page

 

Contact the Google Disability Support Team

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Hi Gene,

 

Yes, when I toggle the underline and italics keys NVDA always says that they are on. so I can’t trust it.

 

Janet

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: April 20, 2022 10:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Formatting issues in Word, add-on?

 

I did a little experimenting and I got the following results:
Turning on report formatting changes in front of the cursor didn't tell me if italics were present in a document.
Turning on phont  attributes did tell me when italics are on and off, but only when using read to end.

My experience regarding when italics is on and off is that the command control i reliably toggles italics on and off.  Do you hear any announcement from NVDA when you toggle it on and off?

Gene

On 4/20/2022 10:52 AM, Gene wrote:

It wasn't clear to me in the previous discussion whether you were referring to the setting I discussed.  If you were referring to something else, I hope you find my suggestion useful.

Gene

On 4/20/2022 10:49 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

Have you tried reading a document or the part you are working on with the setting on that says something like report formatting changes after the cursor?  I haven't played with different ways of getting attribute information to any extent but you may find that a good method to see changes as they occur in a document.

the setting is a checkbox at the end of the document formatting dialog.  The fastest way to get to it is to open document formenting, then shift tab a number of times to it.

When you have finished working with it, you can turn it off with one command, the use saved configuration command, NVDA key control r.

Gene
On 4/20/2022 10:31 AM, Janet Brandly wrote:

Hi Jackie,

Yes, I have used that command but with the formatting not being toggled on and off correctly I'm not sure whether or not to trust that command's accuracy. Brian has given me some e great suggestions.

Janet

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie

Sent: April 20, 2022 9:24 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Formatting issues in Word, add-on?

Have you used NVDA + f to look at your font? It'll say those attributes.

On 4/20/22, Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

Hello all,

Is there an addon for Word that works with the latest NVDA and Windows Ten?

My job requires me to use a Word template in an old version of Word, 

I'm pretty sure it's 1997-2003. This template is on a transcription 

platform. I write within the template and submit it through the 

platform. When  I toggle between Ctrl-U or Ctrl-I for underlining or 

italics, NVDA often reports incorrect status. It usually says that 

they are on each time. This has caused the formatting of documents I 

submit to be incorrect and I'm not sure whether I can trust the report 

formatting command NVDA-F. Is there an addon that would work reliably 

to prevent this problem?

Thank you,

Janet

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So this is "on record" for future readers:

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Contact the Google Disability Support Team

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