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Re: Owner's Note: Happy Diwali #adminnotice

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi,

 

Thanks very much for the explanation. I’m from California in the United States. I don’t celebrate this holiday but I respect those who do. Have a wonderful day.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: udit pandey
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 12:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Owner's Note: Happy Diwali #adminnotice

 

hi Rosemarie,

I and my family wishes you a very happy diwali

and respected Rosemarie mam,

diwali is the festival of lights it is celebrated in India in all the parts of India we where new clothes clean and decorate our houses with various types of lights and other decorative material

we  worship lord ganesha and goddess  lakshmi

and we light deeas on diwali

and also, on diwali, lord rama came back from 14 years of exile to ayodya

and again very happy and prosperous diwali!

 

 

 

On Fri, 5 Nov 2021 at 09:45, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, everyone,

 

I haven’t heard of this holiday but happy Diwali to those who celebrate it from me too.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Nimer Jaber
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 8:35 PM
To: NVDA@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Owner's Note: Happy Diwali #adminnotice

 

Hello everyone,


I want to wish all who celebrate a very, very happy Diwali. Here's hoping you and your family are all well, and that your holiday is filled with lots of good cheer.

To learn more about Diwali, please check out https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/15451833

 

--

Best,

Nimer Jaber

Registered Linux User 529141.
http://counter.li.org/

To find out about a free, open-source, and versatile screen reader for Windows, visit nvaccess.org

You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

Thank you, and have a great day!

 


 

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mail me on gmail at udit52805@...

or outlook me at uditpandey6474@outlook

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Re: clip speak

dennis huckle <denniswhuckle@...>
 

Hello all,

Don’t worry folks,

Found another add on which confirms whether I want to copy to clipboard.

Thanks.

Kind regards,

Dennis huckle.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of dennis huckle
Sent: 05 November 2021 14:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] clip speak

 

Sorry,

Just sent this to the wrong group by mistake.

I am using the latest version of nvda.

I have tried clipspeak from get add ons.

This doesn’t work.

Where can I get the latest version.

Is there another add on that will advise me when a file is copied or pasted from the clipboard.

Kind regards,

Dennis huckle.

 


Re: NVDA and Thunderbird

Danny Park
 

The status bar is already unchecked.  It seems to happen only when I have opened a message and trying to read it.


Danny

On 11/4/2021 12:33 PM, Gene wrote:
I suspect this is an aspect of the status bar being improperly set up.  At times, it forces speech.  You can turn off the status line and see if that solves the problem.  Do the following:
Open the view menu, alt v. 
Down arrow to toolbars and press enter.  Down arrow to status bar, which should say checked.  Press enter and it will no longer be shown and the menus will close.
To have it shown again, follow the same procedure.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Danny Park
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2021 11:30 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Thunderbird
 
I wanted to see if anyone has any thoughts on this.  I have several
filter rules setup to move messages to folders but when I am trying to
read messages I get notifications read telling me about the moves.  Is
there any way to stop these from being read while I am reading
messages.  Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks,

Danny






Re: NVDA + Windows Live Mail

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

There are differences on the web though, for example, move by Radio Button in JAWS, is A, not R.

 

But essentially the commands are the same.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 05 November 2021 15:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA + Windows Live Mail

 

I am replying to this thread here and not on the chat list because my answer deals almost entirely with NVDA.  I hope it is helpful.  I am not assuming what you know but since I don’t know, I am providing what may be important information.

 

If your father mostly works with program commands and not things like the JAWS cursor, there will be little difference in what he does.  You can do a lot when you switch screen-readers because a lot of what people use are Windows and program commands.


There are a small number of commands that are important at the outset that are NVDA commands. 

Read the title bar, NVDA key t. 

Adjust speech settings, NVDA key control v.

Select synthesizer, if you want to use a different available one, NVDDA insert v.

Read to end, NVDA key down arrow.  Not the numpad 2, which you can use in JAWS, but down arrow on the main keyboard.

 

Your father should find using Windows Live Mail, aside perhaps from using this or that NVDA command such as read to end, almost identical whether JAWS or NVDA is used.  For browsing the Internet, NVDA uses almost identical navigation commands, move by heading h, skip blocks of links, n move by button. b move by radio button, r to name a number of commands. 

 

Your father will probably want to learn at least a little mlore about NVDA to adjust things like verbosity, but what I’ve written may be helpful.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

 

Sent: Friday, November 05, 2021 9:00 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA + Windows Live Mail

 

Thank you both for your help with this. I'll try the keystrokes with my father and see how we fair. He has just moved off of one screen reader to another so is familiarising himself with NVDA. Introducing Thunderbird might be step too much at the current moment, but I do hear your thoughts on staying in touch with compatible software and systems. Apologies for posting in the wrong group - will ensure I post the sub group with any further questions. 


With thanks,

 

James


Re: NVDA + Windows Live Mail

Gene
 

I am replying to this thread here and not on the chat list because my answer deals almost entirely with NVDA.  I hope it is helpful.  I am not assuming what you know but since I don’t know, I am providing what may be important information.
 
If your father mostly works with program commands and not things like the JAWS cursor, there will be little difference in what he does.  You can do a lot when you switch screen-readers because a lot of what people use are Windows and program commands.

There are a small number of commands that are important at the outset that are NVDA commands. 
Read the title bar, NVDA key t. 
Adjust speech settings, NVDA key control v.
Select synthesizer, if you want to use a different available one, NVDDA insert v.
Read to end, NVDA key down arrow.  Not the numpad 2, which you can use in JAWS, but down arrow on the main keyboard.
 
Your father should find using Windows Live Mail, aside perhaps from using this or that NVDA command such as read to end, almost identical whether JAWS or NVDA is used.  For browsing the Internet, NVDA uses almost identical navigation commands, move by heading h, skip blocks of links, n move by button. b move by radio button, r to name a number of commands. 
 
Your father will probably want to learn at least a little mlore about NVDA to adjust things like verbosity, but what I’ve written may be helpful.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
 
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2021 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA + Windows Live Mail
 
Thank you both for your help with this. I'll try the keystrokes with my father and see how we fair. He has just moved off of one screen reader to another so is familiarising himself with NVDA. Introducing Thunderbird might be step too much at the current moment, but I do hear your thoughts on staying in touch with compatible software and systems. Apologies for posting in the wrong group - will ensure I post the sub group with any further questions. 

With thanks,
 
James


Re: Nvda and help in Total Commander

Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
 

try to find an internet page that talks about the help of this application

Em sex., 5 de nov. de 2021 às 11:58, Jarek.Krcmar <Jarek.Krcmar@...> escreveu:

Hi group,

I would like to read the help in Total Commander, but it is unable. When
I press enter key, or tab, nothing is happen.

Do you have any idea, please?


--
Jarek







Nvda and help in Total Commander

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hi group,

I would like to read the help in Total Commander, but it is unable. When I press enter key, or tab, nothing is happen.

Do you have any idea, please?


--
Jarek


clip speak

dennis huckle <denniswhuckle@...>
 

Sorry,

Just sent this to the wrong group by mistake.

I am using the latest version of nvda.

I have tried clipspeak from get add ons.

This doesn’t work.

Where can I get the latest version.

Is there another add on that will advise me when a file is copied or pasted from the clipboard.

Kind regards,

Dennis huckle.

 


Re: NVDA + Windows Live Mail

James Johnson
 

Thank you both for your help with this. I'll try the keystrokes with my father and see how we fair. He has just moved off of one screen reader to another so is familiarising himself with NVDA. Introducing Thunderbird might be step too much at the current moment, but I do hear your thoughts on staying in touch with compatible software and systems. Apologies for posting in the wrong group - will ensure I post the sub group with any further questions. 

With thanks,

James


Re: WeatherPlus add-on

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Rui

I originally updated to WeatherPlus 8.6 via “Check for add-on updates and after your response re the Help link, I downloaded it from nvda-addons.org site and re-ran the install but the Help link is still missing.

 

Cheers

Chris  

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Rui Fontes
Sent: 04 November 2021 18:07
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] WeatherPlus add-on

 

Hello!

 

Regarding the download link still pointing to version 8.4 is my fault...

No time to dedicate to this add-on, but next week it will point to the right version...

 

Regarding the absence of help, I do not understand why, since in my NVDA it is still present..

 

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team

Às 16:08 de 04/11/2021, Chris Mullins escreveu:

Hi

I tried running the “Check for add-on updates” on my friends computer and it fails with an error all the time and I think it’s the certification issue that is to be fixed in the next NVDA release.  In the meantime, I thought I would try updating his WeatherPlus addon from version 8.5 to 8.6 directly from the link provided in the help link accessed via   the Add-ons Manager.  I was connected to the download page for the stable version but noticed that it was version 8.4 not 8.6 that was presented, so cancelled the download.

 

I have already got version 8.6 on my machine and see that there is no longer a Help link in the Addons Manager entry for WeatherPlus, just an About link.

 

Is this situation anything to do with the nvda-addons.org site for NVDA add-ons superceding the NVDA Community add-ons site?

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

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Re: Performance/battery life using NVDA in Windows 10/11 arm in Parallels 17 VM on Mac OSX on an M1/Pro/Max Mac?

Greg Wocher
 

Hello,
There is a YouTube channel called techopolis where they did a demonstration of installing Windows 11 arm version using parallel. In this demo they also installed NVDA on it. It seemed to be responsive and work fairly well If you search for the techopolis channel on YouTube you should be able to find the video.

Greg Wocher


On Nov 4, 2021, at 8:23 PM, Mat Mirabella <mat@...> wrote:

Hi all,
 
As the subject line indicates, for those who have tried this, I was wondering what the impact on performance and also battery life is when using NVDA in this scenario. In particular, when using NVDA/Windows in the VM most of the time. I have seen previous discussions about getting this to work, but not much discussion on performance and impact on the system when using it.
 
I understand that the new M1/Pro/Max systems are arm based, and to use Windows 10/11 on them, the only effective way is to install the arm version of Windows 10/11 pro as a VM  in Parallels (now version 17.1) under Mac-OSX. I understand the performance of Windows is ok, but that because software like NVDA is an x86 application, there is a reliance on Microsoft’s emulation to allow x86/x64 software to run when using the arm version of Windows. This is likely to impact more than just NVDA, but as NVDA has to be always running and is being used all the time, the impact may be greater in terms of the experience than with other applications that can be used once and then closed when not in use.
 
I realise that one of the hurdles for getting a good experience is sorting out the keyboard layout and key mappings. However, assuming this is sorted out, what I wondered was what the performance of using NVDA is like. i.e. is scrolling around the desktop and windows explorer fast or does it lag a bit? what happens in large word documents, web pages in Chrome or PDFs? I am also curious as to whether the very long battery life that people appear to be getting with these M1 macs is shorter in the above NVDA usage scenarios because of all the emulation going on, and if so, by how much. I was also wondering how coherence mode in Parallels works if you are using a screen reader like NVDA on the Windows side and VO on the Mac OSX side.
 
Thanks for any insights.
 
Kind regards.
 
Mat.
 


Re: NVDA 2021.3 Beta 2 now available

Gary Metzler
 

Hi Quentin,

 

Beta 2 is working just fine.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 6:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2021.3 Beta 2 now available

 

HI everyone,

 

NVDA 2021.3 Beta 2 is now available for testing! https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-3beta2/

 

Changes from Beta 1 include:

- Restored compatibility for Add-ons using isInMessageBox,

- Braille displays now update when typing text if using MS Word with UIA

- updated User Guide

- updated translations.

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 


Re: Owner's Note: Happy Diwali #adminnotice

udit pandey
 

hi Rosemarie,
I and my family wishes you a very happy diwali
and respected Rosemarie mam,
diwali is the festival of lights it is celebrated in India in all the parts of India we where new clothes clean and decorate our houses with various types of lights and other decorative material
we  worship lord ganesha and goddess  lakshmi
and we light deeas on diwali
and also, on diwali, lord rama came back from 14 years of exile to ayodya
and again very happy and prosperous diwali!



On Fri, 5 Nov 2021 at 09:45, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, everyone,

 

I haven’t heard of this holiday but happy Diwali to those who celebrate it from me too.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Nimer Jaber
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 8:35 PM
To: NVDA@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Owner's Note: Happy Diwali #adminnotice

 

Hello everyone,


I want to wish all who celebrate a very, very happy Diwali. Here's hoping you and your family are all well, and that your holiday is filled with lots of good cheer.

To learn more about Diwali, please check out https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/15451833

 

--

Best,

Nimer Jaber

Registered Linux User 529141.
http://counter.li.org/

To find out about a free, open-source, and versatile screen reader for Windows, visit nvaccess.org

You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

Thank you, and have a great day!

 



--
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follow me on instagram: udit@pandey123
mail me on gmail at udit52805@...
or outlook me at uditpandey6474@outlook
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Re: Owner's Note: Happy Diwali #adminnotice

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, everyone,

 

I haven’t heard of this holiday but happy Diwali to those who celebrate it from me too.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Nimer Jaber
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 8:35 PM
To: NVDA@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Owner's Note: Happy Diwali #adminnotice

 

Hello everyone,


I want to wish all who celebrate a very, very happy Diwali. Here's hoping you and your family are all well, and that your holiday is filled with lots of good cheer.

To learn more about Diwali, please check out https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/15451833

 

--

Best,

Nimer Jaber

Registered Linux User 529141.
http://counter.li.org/

To find out about a free, open-source, and versatile screen reader for Windows, visit nvaccess.org

You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

Thank you, and have a great day!

 


Owner's Note: Happy Diwali #adminnotice

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello everyone,

I want to wish all who celebrate a very, very happy Diwali. Here's hoping you and your family are all well, and that your holiday is filled with lots of good cheer.
To learn more about Diwali, please check out https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/15451833

--
Best,

Nimer Jaber

Registered Linux User 529141.
http://counter.li.org/

To find out about a free, open-source, and versatile screen reader for Windows, visit nvaccess.org

You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

Thank you, and have a great day!


Performance/battery life using NVDA in Windows 10/11 arm in Parallels 17 VM on Mac OSX on an M1/Pro/Max Mac?

Mat Mirabella <mat@...>
 

Hi all,

 

As the subject line indicates, for those who have tried this, I was wondering what the impact on performance and also battery life is when using NVDA in this scenario. In particular, when using NVDA/Windows in the VM most of the time. I have seen previous discussions about getting this to work, but not much discussion on performance and impact on the system when using it.

 

I understand that the new M1/Pro/Max systems are arm based, and to use Windows 10/11 on them, the only effective way is to install the arm version of Windows 10/11 pro as a VM  in Parallels (now version 17.1) under Mac-OSX. I understand the performance of Windows is ok, but that because software like NVDA is an x86 application, there is a reliance on Microsoft’s emulation to allow x86/x64 software to run when using the arm version of Windows. This is likely to impact more than just NVDA, but as NVDA has to be always running and is being used all the time, the impact may be greater in terms of the experience than with other applications that can be used once and then closed when not in use.

 

I realise that one of the hurdles for getting a good experience is sorting out the keyboard layout and key mappings. However, assuming this is sorted out, what I wondered was what the performance of using NVDA is like. i.e. is scrolling around the desktop and windows explorer fast or does it lag a bit? what happens in large word documents, web pages in Chrome or PDFs? I am also curious as to whether the very long battery life that people appear to be getting with these M1 macs is shorter in the above NVDA usage scenarios because of all the emulation going on, and if so, by how much. I was also wondering how coherence mode in Parallels works if you are using a screen reader like NVDA on the Windows side and VO on the Mac OSX side.

 

Thanks for any insights.

 

Kind regards.

 

Mat.

 


Re: NVDA update addon

Quentin Christensen
 

That's true, we do try to communicate with everyone when we release a new beta / rc / stable build :)

With regard to whether you should use them, what we generally recommend is:

Alpha: These come out several times a week or more.  If you are directly developing for NVDA or for an add-on, then the alpha snapshots can be useful to test against.  Alpha snapshots are not guaranteed to be stable, so we recommend being confident in your ability to restore to a stable build and discourage the ongoing use of alpha builds in production environments.

Beta: Prior to the release of a new stable version, be release one (or more) Beta versions.  If you are a developer or a very tech-savvy user, interested in helping troubleshoot, report and test issues, then beta snapshots should be relatively stable, though again, we encourage anyone using them to be confident in their ability to restore to a stable build.

Release Candidate (RC): Once a beta version has been out for a week or so with no major issues found, we move to a release candidate.  We encourage most users to try the release candidate builds.  Unless any major issues are found, then the final version will basically be the same as the release candidate, and it is easier for us to address issues at this point rather than after the final build is out.

Stable: Once the release candidate has been out for a week or so with no major issues reported, we package the final version and encourage all users to update to the new version.  This will be the version available from the main download page from this point.

Once the first beta is released, and often just prior to it, alpha builds continue with progress towards the next version - so it's not so much "once the stable build is release, we start work on the next version" because actually, that work has already started.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 5:11 AM Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote:
I found out that I don't need to use this addon, when a stable version comes, then when NVDA 2022.1 beta comes, quentin will warn about the beta

Em qui., 4 de nov. de 2021 às 15:01, Chris via groups.io <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> escreveu:

As long as you are happy to try out betas and rc versions

 

 

From: Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
Sent: 04 November 2021 16:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA update addon

 

hi friends, i would like to discuss about the update channel addon, do you think it would be a good idea for me to install to stay up to date with NVDA betas and rc and stables?

 



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Re: NVDA and Thunderbird

Gene
 

That may be but the actual problem is not an NVDA problem.  This problem began perhaps six or eight months ago when a Thunderbird developer caused the status bar to force a lot of unwanted speech.  Much of it was removed after complaints.  This speech probably wasn’t heard in JAWS either but improperly implemented accessibility isn’t the fault of NVDA.
 
Perhaps this is done in the same way as forced Aria speech is.  JAWS has a setting for stopping forced Aria speech, and I think NVDA should as well, but the actual problem itself is a Thunderbird problem.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Danny Park
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2021 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Thunderbird
 
This problem only seems to occur when using NVDA it works just fine with jaws and I get none of  the messages about messages being moved to  folders.
 
Dannyg
 

On Nov 4, 2021, at 12:33, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:


I suspect this is an aspect of the status bar being improperly set up.  At times, it forces speech.  You can turn off the status line and see if that solves the problem.  Do the following:
Open the view menu, alt v. 
Down arrow to toolbars and press enter.  Down arrow to status bar, which should say checked.  Press enter and it will no longer be shown and the menus will close.
To have it shown again, follow the same procedure.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Danny Park
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2021 11:30 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Thunderbird
 
I wanted to see if anyone has any thoughts on this.  I have several
filter rules setup to move messages to folders but when I am trying to
read messages I get notifications read telling me about the moves.  Is
there any way to stop these from being read while I am reading
messages.  Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks,

Danny






Re: NVDA and Thunderbird

Danny Park
 

This problem only seems to occur when using NVDA it works just fine with jaws and I get none of  the messages about messages being moved to  folders.

Dannyg


On Nov 4, 2021, at 12:33, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:


I suspect this is an aspect of the status bar being improperly set up.  At times, it forces speech.  You can turn off the status line and see if that solves the problem.  Do the following:
Open the view menu, alt v. 
Down arrow to toolbars and press enter.  Down arrow to status bar, which should say checked.  Press enter and it will no longer be shown and the menus will close.
To have it shown again, follow the same procedure.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Danny Park
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2021 11:30 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Thunderbird
 
I wanted to see if anyone has any thoughts on this.  I have several
filter rules setup to move messages to folders but when I am trying to
read messages I get notifications read telling me about the moves.  Is
there any way to stop these from being read while I am reading
messages.  Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks,

Danny






Re: NVDA 2021.3 Beta 2 now available

Quentin Christensen
 

Glad to hear it's working well!  Do keep giving us your feedback :)

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 4:43 AM Jujube <ellaxyu@...> wrote:
Hello, just installed the new beta and the issue with UIA, braille and word 365 has indeed been resolved. Thanks guys for all you do. I'm becoming more and more excited for the improvements to come as we get NVDA working smoothly with office 365 and UIA :)

On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 3:50 AM Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
HI everyone,

NVDA 2021.3 Beta 2 is now available for testing! https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-3beta2/

Changes from Beta 1 include:
- Restored compatibility for Add-ons using isInMessageBox,
- Braille displays now update when typing text if using MS Word with UIA
- updated User Guide
- updated translations.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



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