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Re: Problem to anounce some menu items

Gene
 

I’m not sure what the original poster was complaining about.  In general, if you use alt to move to the menu bar, you hear the name of the menu you are on, usually file, and nothing else because the menu isn’t opened. If you left or right arrow across the menu bar, you hear the menu you are on and nothing else because the menu isn’t opened.  If you use a short cut letter such as alt f, that moves you to and opens the file menu so you do hear the first item.
 
The thing that isn’t clear is whether the person is saying that when he/she  does something that opens a menu such as move to it and down arrow, whether the first item is heard when you down arrow once.  Likewise, if the person uses something like alt f to open a menu, if the person hears the first item or not.
 
Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem to anounce some menu items
 
On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 05:17 PM, bering.p wrote:
I'm not sure if it's the same isue but  when Itype "shift+f10"  with focus on desktop,
NVDA says "context menu" but the first submenu is not announced.
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And, based upon what I can see (literally) this would be the expected behavior.  If one has focus on the desktop itself, and not a shortcut or file on the desktop, when the context menu is opened no item in the context menu has initial focus, so there is nothing for NVDA to read to you other than the fact that the context menu is open.  You start having items announced once you begin arrowing through.

This seems to be the case for the context menu in general when invoked either on the desktop with no item selected, or with an item selected.  There is no focus on any specific item in the menu initially, and first focus only occurs once you begin the traversal process.

I don't have Thunderbird installed on this machine, but I do seem to recall that certain menus under Thunderbird behave similarly in that when they appear nothing in the menu itself has focus until you begin moving through it.

While this menu presentation is very far from "dirt common" it's not unheard of, either.  And it's somewhat analogous to what you see, too, in that visually nothing is selected in those menus when they pop-up.  Until and unless you click on something, nothing has focus and no action will be taken if you just hit enter or click anywhere except on one of the menu items.  If you do either of those two things the menu just disappears.
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Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

 


Re: Problem to anounce some menu items

Dave Grossoehme
 

Afternoon:  Bryan you are correct that no item is read in Thunderbird with Shift + F10 key stroke.  I was reading your message in Thunderbird, so, I pressed the key stroke you spoke of.  You have to arrow up or down once before an item in the menu is spoken.  This is with the version of NVDA that came out within the last few days.

Dave


On 9/14/2021 2:44 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 05:17 PM, bering.p wrote:
I'm not sure if it's the same isue but  when Itype "shift+f10"  with focus on desktop,
NVDA says "context menu" but the first submenu is not announced.
-
And, based upon what I can see (literally) this would be the expected behavior.  If one has focus on the desktop itself, and not a shortcut or file on the desktop, when the context menu is opened no item in the context menu has initial focus, so there is nothing for NVDA to read to you other than the fact that the context menu is open.  You start having items announced once you begin arrowing through.

This seems to be the case for the context menu in general when invoked either on the desktop with no item selected, or with an item selected.  There is no focus on any specific item in the menu initially, and first focus only occurs once you begin the traversal process.

I don't have Thunderbird installed on this machine, but I do seem to recall that certain menus under Thunderbird behave similarly in that when they appear nothing in the menu itself has focus until you begin moving through it.

While this menu presentation is very far from "dirt common" it's not unheard of, either.  And it's somewhat analogous to what you see, too, in that visually nothing is selected in those menus when they pop-up.  Until and unless you click on something, nothing has focus and no action will be taken if you just hit enter or click anywhere except on one of the menu items.  If you do either of those two things the menu just disappears.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

 


Re: Problem to anounce some menu items

 

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 05:17 PM, bering.p wrote:
I'm not sure if it's the same isue but  when Itype "shift+f10"  with focus on desktop,
NVDA says "context menu" but the first submenu is not announced.
-
And, based upon what I can see (literally) this would be the expected behavior.  If one has focus on the desktop itself, and not a shortcut or file on the desktop, when the context menu is opened no item in the context menu has initial focus, so there is nothing for NVDA to read to you other than the fact that the context menu is open.  You start having items announced once you begin arrowing through.

This seems to be the case for the context menu in general when invoked either on the desktop with no item selected, or with an item selected.  There is no focus on any specific item in the menu initially, and first focus only occurs once you begin the traversal process.

I don't have Thunderbird installed on this machine, but I do seem to recall that certain menus under Thunderbird behave similarly in that when they appear nothing in the menu itself has focus until you begin moving through it.

While this menu presentation is very far from "dirt common" it's not unheard of, either.  And it's somewhat analogous to what you see, too, in that visually nothing is selected in those menus when they pop-up.  Until and unless you click on something, nothing has focus and no action will be taken if you just hit enter or click anywhere except on one of the menu items.  If you do either of those two things the menu just disappears.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

 


Problem to anounce some menu items

bering.p
 

Hi,
I'm not sure if it's the same isue but  when Itype "shift+f10"  with focus on desktop,
NVDA says "context menu" but the first submenu is not announced.
When focus is on thunderbird list, NVDA says "menu".
When focus is in the bloc-note edi   zone, NVDA says "context menu".
I think that the problem is not solved with nvda 2021.2.
Best regards.
Paul.
Le 14/09/2021 19:45, Lukasz Golonka via groups.io a écrit :

On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 14:33:49 +0200
"Marco Oros" <marco.oros93@...> wrote:

I have problem with announcing menu items in Mozilla Thunderbird. Let me explain It deeply:

For example, when I open submenu 'priority', NVDA doesn't report me first item, but when I press down arrow, It says next item without any problem.

Please, could You look on those submenu issues?
Have you tested this with NVDA 2021.2? This bug is supposedly fixed in
this version.



Re: Now official: goodbye, NVDA community - retiring from code contributions

Arlene
 

Hi there: Thanks for all you’ve done. Hope you enjoy your retirement.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: September 14, 2021 5:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Now official: goodbye, NVDA community - retiring from code contributions

 

Hello NVDA users,

A few months ago I announced my retirement from actively contributing code to NVDA screen reader. However Windows 11 was announced in June, so I decided to stay for a while to assist Nv Access with Windows 11 support. Now that NVDA 2021.2 is here with preliminary Windows 11 support and after spending some time in graduate school education, I can now make it official:

Goodbye, NVDA community.

Although I’m moving on from contributions, I’ll still be around somewhere – reading, writing, research, and other activities I might be doing. The NVDA community has been a valuable part of my life for the last nine years. Although I’m closing a chapter in my life, the memories I had with you are too valuable to forget. In some ways, I’m following the footsteps of Jamie Teh, one of the founders of Nv Access and now at Mozilla – although I’ll be focusing on other life priorities, I’m open to providing advice from time to time. Remember what I taught you for the last few years: use the product to its full potential, and NonVisual Desktop Access is not just a screen reader – it is a global movement.

I hope to publish what to expect from my add-ons next before making room for the next group of contributors and experts – add-on maintenance is the unfinished business, and I hope to pass on most add-ons to the community by end of this year.

Thank you, NVDA community, for everything you’ve done for me and giving me a chance to make a difference for you for the last decade.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

Joseph S. Lee

Certified NVDA Expert, 2019

Volunteer code contributor, translator, and community add-ons author and reviewer, NonVisual Desktop Access screen reader project (June 2012 to September 2021)

Graduate student and speech and debate coach, California State University, Los Angeles (August 2021 to present)

Windows Insider (October 2014 to present)

Former moderator, NVDA users list (2013 to 2016)

Founding chair, NVDACon (2014 to 2016)

Member, NVDA Council (2019 to present)

 


Re: Clock add-on 21.09 and other add-on updates #addonrelease

 

Hi,

I see. See if Clock add-on is even loaded:

  1. Open NVDA menu/Tools/Manage add-ons.
  2. Look for Clock add-on.
  3. If you find it, see if the add-on is listed as enabled.
  4. If the add-on is listed as "disabled", press Alt+E to enable, then press Escape, then say "yes" when asked to restart.

Also, if Clock add-on is present, let me konw what the version is. If it is Clock 21.09 and it is not working, chances are that it might be corrupted add-on settings.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Now official: goodbye, NVDA community - retiring from code contributions

benmoxey@...
 

I really admire everything you’ve done, Joseph. All the very best for your new adventures!

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, 14 September 2021 10:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Now official: goodbye, NVDA community - retiring from code contributions

 

Hello NVDA users,

A few months ago I announced my retirement from actively contributing code to NVDA screen reader. However Windows 11 was announced in June, so I decided to stay for a while to assist Nv Access with Windows 11 support. Now that NVDA 2021.2 is here with preliminary Windows 11 support and after spending some time in graduate school education, I can now make it official:

Goodbye, NVDA community.

Although I’m moving on from contributions, I’ll still be around somewhere – reading, writing, research, and other activities I might be doing. The NVDA community has been a valuable part of my life for the last nine years. Although I’m closing a chapter in my life, the memories I had with you are too valuable to forget. In some ways, I’m following the footsteps of Jamie Teh, one of the founders of Nv Access and now at Mozilla – although I’ll be focusing on other life priorities, I’m open to providing advice from time to time. Remember what I taught you for the last few years: use the product to its full potential, and NonVisual Desktop Access is not just a screen reader – it is a global movement.

I hope to publish what to expect from my add-ons next before making room for the next group of contributors and experts – add-on maintenance is the unfinished business, and I hope to pass on most add-ons to the community by end of this year.

Thank you, NVDA community, for everything you’ve done for me and giving me a chance to make a difference for you for the last decade.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

Joseph S. Lee

Certified NVDA Expert, 2019

Volunteer code contributor, translator, and community add-ons author and reviewer, NonVisual Desktop Access screen reader project (June 2012 to September 2021)

Graduate student and speech and debate coach, California State University, Los Angeles (August 2021 to present)

Windows Insider (October 2014 to present)

Former moderator, NVDA users list (2013 to 2016)

Founding chair, NVDACon (2014 to 2016)

Member, NVDA Council (2019 to present)


Re: Numpad Nav Mode addon question

benmoxey@...
 

Hello

 

You can grab it from the official NVDA Add-Ons page. This page can be accessed through the Add-ons Manager.

 

  1. Press NVDA +N to load the NVDA menu.
  2. Press T to open the Tools Menu.
  3. Press A for “Manage add-ons”.
  4. Tab to the “Get add-ons…” button or simply press Alt + G.

 

Here is the direct link to the Numpad Nav Mode add-on.

 

Numpad Nav Mode (nvda-project.org)

 

All the best.


Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of JinYoun
Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2021 2:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Numpad Nav Mode addon question

 

Hi, is there Numpad Nav Mode add on for the newest version of NVDA?
Just tried to update NVDA and was notified that this addon was incompatible. 
Thanks  


Re: Clock add-on 21.09 and other add-on updates #addonrelease

Betsy Grenevitch
 

I do not see how to find the clock under settings. I must be doing something incorrectly. I pressed enter on setting and just see 16 options and the clock is not one of them.  So sorry.


On 9/14/2021 4:15 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

  1. Open NVDA menu/Preferences/Settings.
  2. From NvDA Settings, select CLock Setup panel.
  3. Tab through the panel until you come across "interval" combo box, then select the interval from the combo box (every 30 minutes, for exmaple).
  4. Select OK, and NVDA should play a sound an/or say something every half an hour or so.

Cheers,

Joseph

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Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876


Re: Now official: goodbye, NVDA community - retiring from code contributions

Kyle McRorey
 

Message hello Joseph thank you for all your contributions you have made over the years I've had the pleasure of attending several NVDA conferences with you as a moderator you've always seem to me to be a very nice sealed tell me technically minded and very levelheaded individual individual I look forward to hearing from you in the future


Re: Now official: goodbye, NVDA community - retiring from code contributions

Louise Pfau
 

Congratulations on your future endeavors.
 
Louise


Re: Clock add-on 21.09 and other add-on updates #addonrelease

 

Hi,

  1. Open NVDA menu/Preferences/Settings.
  2. From NvDA Settings, select CLock Setup panel.
  3. Tab through the panel until you come across "interval" combo box, then select the interval from the combo box (every 30 minutes, for exmaple).
  4. Select OK, and NVDA should play a sound an/or say something every half an hour or so.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Now official: goodbye, NVDA community - retiring from code contributions

Mário Navarro
 


Hi Great Joseph.
You are the best example of a wonderful human being.
Thank you for everything you have done by the NVDA World Community,
long life to Joseph Lee.
thanks.
cheers.


Às 13:46 de 14/09/2021, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hello NVDA users,

A few months ago I announced my retirement from actively contributing code to NVDA screen reader. However Windows 11 was announced in June, so I decided to stay for a while to assist Nv Access with Windows 11 support. Now that NVDA 2021.2 is here with preliminary Windows 11 support and after spending some time in graduate school education, I can now make it official:

Goodbye, NVDA community.

Although I’m moving on from contributions, I’ll still be around somewhere – reading, writing, research, and other activities I might be doing. The NVDA community has been a valuable part of my life for the last nine years. Although I’m closing a chapter in my life, the memories I had with you are too valuable to forget. In some ways, I’m following the footsteps of Jamie Teh, one of the founders of Nv Access and now at Mozilla – although I’ll be focusing on other life priorities, I’m open to providing advice from time to time. Remember what I taught you for the last few years: use the product to its full potential, and NonVisual Desktop Access is not just a screen reader – it is a global movement.

I hope to publish what to expect from my add-ons next before making room for the next group of contributors and experts – add-on maintenance is the unfinished business, and I hope to pass on most add-ons to the community by end of this year.

Thank you, NVDA community, for everything you’ve done for me and giving me a chance to make a difference for you for the last decade.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

Joseph S. Lee

Certified NVDA Expert, 2019

Volunteer code contributor, translator, and community add-ons author and reviewer, NonVisual Desktop Access screen reader project (June 2012 to September 2021)

Graduate student and speech and debate coach, California State University, Los Angeles (August 2021 to present)

Windows Insider (October 2014 to present)

Former moderator, NVDA users list (2013 to 2016)

Founding chair, NVDACon (2014 to 2016)

Member, NVDA Council (2019 to present)

-- 
A acção pode nem sempre ser felicidade, mas não há felicidade sem acção...


Re: Clock add-on 21.09 and other add-on updates #addonrelease

Betsy Grenevitch
 

I need steps for this please. I have no idea what you are talking about.


On 9/14/2021 9:06 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Can you try setting up auto announce interval (interval combo box) again as NVDA might not be understanding that setting somehow?

Cheers,

Joseph

--
Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876


Legacy Chrome Window

bestuiexperience
 

Hello,

Lately I have been using NVDA with Chrome and the screen reader announces "Legacy Chrome Window" and goes silent. No elements on the page are announced and the screen reader is silent when I try to switch between focus and browse modes. Does anyone have any clues about what might be wrong?


Re: Is it possible to drag-and-drop with NVDA and the keyboard

 

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 07:03 AM, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
How do you do emulated drag-and-drop?
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As I said earlier:  See the NVDA Keyboard Quick Commands, Navigating with the Mouse section, for a discussion of using left mouse lock followed by routing commands for drag and drop.

That's pretty much it.  You get a left mouse key lock on the item you wish to drag, navigate to where you want to drop it, route the mouse to the navigator object location, then toggle the left lock off to drop.

And while the described steps are easy, getting the desired result is not, because if you give focus to something else while navigating, the thing you "picked up" with the left mouse lock action is released and will remain precisely where it was.

This is something that takes quite a bit of practice to get the hang of and is still nowhere near to 100% reliable.  That's why I don't use it unless no other option exists.  And I tell my clients that if they can't get emulated drag and drop to work after a couple of attempts for a specific thing, get sighted help, at least if the idea is to get this done and move along to the next thing with maximum possible speed.

Like I said earlier, most of what is done by drag and drop can be done by copy and paste.  Or cut and paste if you want to move the objects, not copy them.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

 


Re: Is it possible to drag-and-drop with NVDA and the keyboard

 

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 02:03 PM, Tim M wrote:
After all to the sighted users its a daily action and always will be for windows.
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That really depends on exactly when you came into the world of Microsoft and what you're generally doing.  I will drag and drop for a file, or two, but almost never if I need to select many files.

I started out in DOS and when, regardless of the OS, the command line was all.  Even once Windows came on the scene, I never dropped using the "Holy Trinity" of commands: Cut, Copy, Paste (CTRL + X, CTRL + C, and CTRL + V) in virtually any context where they can be used.  And for moving files around I select 'em, cut 'em, and paste 'em using the keyboard far more frequently than I ever drag and drop.

There are plenty of sighted Windows users who don't even know those commands exist (or at least act like they don't).  And the closer you get to the "touch activated everything" generation the less likely they are to know anything about keyboard shortcuts.

But I'm only reporting on my own usage patterns, and those "of a certain age" who came of age in the PC world at approximately the same time I did.  And even not all of them stuck with using a subset of keyboard commands, but some did.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

 


Re: Is it possible to drag-and-drop with NVDA and the keyboard

Tim M
 

I thought you with sight would use it a lot. After all to the sighted users its a daily action and always will be for windows. That was there main selling point when they first came out with windows. in fact there is not one OS that don't use that methiod for moving around in the OS.



On 9/13/2021 3:58 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 03:03 PM, Tim M wrote:
That is just one of the many working bugs both screen readers have, and either haven't gotten to or just won't fix.
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The thing is, I can't necessarily even say it's a bug.   Drag and drop "via the sighted method" is a thing unto itself, where the thing that has focus and is being dragged moves in real time and keeps focus throughout the movement until one releases the left mouse button over the drop zone.  If you release that button elsewhere (anywhere that the thing cannot be dropped) it simply remains where it had been.

With a screen reader, you have to gain focus, select, and "left mouse lock" on the object - and these three things are easy - but then navigate to the drop zone without ever giving full focus to anything else, and that is very tricky indeed to do, as I've found out in many other contexts.  I have not been willing to play much with emulated drag and drop because I try, whenever possible, to avoid the use of drag and drop, particularly when it comes to a screen reader.

The actual need for drag and drop (as opposed to it being an option) seems to be fading out somewhat, which is great as far as accessibility goes.  I'd far rather cut and paste, or choose to upload using an upload dialog, or similar than drag and drop.  I even do this more frequently than actual drag and drop because I'm often selecting multiple, non-contiguous files and it's very, very easy after having done so to lose that selection if your mouse pointer is even the tiniest bit outside "the grab zone" for the collection of files.  I'd rather hit CTRL + X, get to where I need them to go, and hit CTRL + P.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

 


Re: Problem to anounce some menu items

Lukasz Golonka
 

On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 14:33:49 +0200
"Marco Oros" <marco.oros93@...> wrote:

I have problem with announcing menu items in Mozilla Thunderbird. Let me explain It deeply:

For example, when I open submenu 'priority', NVDA doesn't report me first item, but when I press down arrow, It says next item without any problem.

Please, could You look on those submenu issues?
Have you tested this with NVDA 2021.2? This bug is supposedly fixed in
this version.

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Regards
Lukasz


Re: Problem to anounce some menu items

Marco Oros
 

Hello.

I know It and yes, in most of menus NVDA announce first item without any problem, but in some submenus actually no.

I have newest version of NVDA.


Dňa 14. 9. 2021 o 17:50 zahra napísal(a):

hello.
this issue is resolved in new nvda version 2021.2.
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/12624

On 9/14/21, Marco Oros <marco.oros93@...> wrote:
Hello.

I have problem with announcing menu items in Mozilla Thunderbird. Let me
explain It deeply:

For example, when I open submenu 'priority', NVDA doesn't report me
first item, but when I press down arrow, It says next item without any
problem.

Please, could You look on those submenu issues?

Note: I have Thunderbird in Slovak language, not in English.

Thank You.

Best regards

Marco Oros






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