Thank you for the link, I forgot to come back with an update. 
It worked with the NVDA 2021.3 version which I think hasn't been updated yet, and my daughter is very happy as finally being able to complete her work fully independently without worrying if she has correctly copied and pasted.
She doesn't use Narrator from the windows as she dislike how it works and isn't easy to use or figure out. 

It is disappointing to read the rest of the thread that implies the clipspeak will not work with the next version expected for 2022 version which is going to be a massive disappointment for my daughter after struggling for 2 years to complete her college work independently as she will be continuing college education for few more years to advance her qualifications. 

However I have seen some recommendations of add-ons that does similar so will keep those in mind for when it finally fails which I hope by then someone takes over maintaining it. 
I wish it could be integrated into NVDA overall which would be a massive bonus in a way for many users with ability to either have it on or off in settings I guess as this is a much simple add on for my daughter. She likes the simplicity of it. 


Thank you guys for helping me few weeks ago. 

Gene

I did some testing based on your message.

First, when trying to describe a problem, or demonstrate how you tested, it's always good to have a baseline from which to work. So, here is the document I used.
In order to render it, paste the following single line into the address bar of your web browser of choice.

data:text/html,<p>Paragraph 1.</p><p>Paragraph 2. This  second paragraph, contains <b>bold</b>, as well as <u>underlined text</u>. Not to mention some <i>italics</i>.</p><p>Paragraph 3. This one has a built in<br />line break.</p>

That contains three paragraphs. One very short. One with a long sentence that visually might span two lines. The second also contains some formatting. The third contains a sentence with an intentional line break.

Okay, so on to some testing.

Copy from browse mode, via select all (Control+A) or shift+arrows:

Pasting into notepad, results in text, with line breaks at the end of each of four lines, one of which being longish in context, although it could be of arbitrary length and would still appear the same:
"
 Paragraph 1.
Paragraph 2. This second paragraph, contains bold, as well as underlined text. Not to mention some italics.
Paragraph 3. This one has a built in
line break.
"

In text, that is considered four paragraphs, though there are no blank lines between them. I imagine the sighted would find this hard to read.

When pasting into Word 2019, the result has five lines, but four paragraphs. It pastes with my default font and size, so that the word "italics." appears on its own line, even though it is part of the second paragraph.
That can be demonstrated by character by character navigation, or by having Word right align that paragraph, and then checking what text got right aligned.

The single (in HTML) paragraph with the line break, results in two paragraphs in Word, because of the hard newline at the end.
Word's concept of a paragraph does not include hard returns, so this results in two paragraphs.

But, and I think this really needs to be understood well, my paragraphs in word are set to 1.1 line separations. NVDA+F says "line spacing 1.1 lines". It could just as easily say "double", in which case there would be a blank line after each actual line, even though there is no extra blank line in the text. There is no way for you to determine that through arrow key navigation, it is strictly a virtual line width, that is applied stylistically to the output.

Next up, Pressing NVDA+F2, then Control+A, in browse mode, as Brian suggested:

The only way that works, is if you also press bypass (NVDA+F2), before pressing Control+C to copy. Otherwise NVDA will say "No selection".
Personally I find it quicker to just hit focus mode, control+a, control+c, browse mode, because it can all be done with one hand and minimal movement (using the edge of my hand to press control); but to each his own.

Copying in one of those two ways, and then pasting into notepad, gets you:
"
Paragraph 1.

Paragraph 2. This second paragraph, contains bold, as well as underlined text. Not to mention some italics.

Paragraph 3. This one has a built in
line break.
"

I.E. six lines, with a blank between the paragraphs. Probably easier to read if you're using the ASCII version. But otherwise no real difference.

Pasting that into word, however, is very different from a font prospective, but no different from a paragraph formatting prospective.

On the font side, you get whatever the web font was if Word can do it, and what it calls "web style".
The paragraphs are still the same paragraphs, but now the bold, underlining, etc., is correctly rendered.

The line spacing, however, is set to single, instead of my normal 1.1, or my old normal of double (2 lines). So in that way, the copying from focus mode is actually worse. Though that doesn't really matter if you're going to select all in the word document, and change the font; or if you are going to change the paragraph spacing for the entire document.

But in no case does Word put a screen reader visible blank line between each paragraph, as the focus mode copy does in Notepad. That probably does make it easier for the sighted to read things in Notepad form, but it is rare in daily life to run into text formatted or shown that way (I.E. without any kind of presentational styling).

So Gene, I have to say that your original concern about pasting from browse mode copy, seems to be busted. Although the old known truth about the loss of font styling information when copied that way, is still true.

Luke

Gene

I did some testing based on your message.

First, when trying to describe a problem, or demonstrate how you tested, it's always good to have a baseline from which to work. So, here is the document I used.
In order to render it, paste the following single line into the address bar of your web browser of choice.

data:text/html,<p>Paragraph 1.</p><p>Paragraph 2. This  second paragraph, contains <b>bold</b>, as well as <u>underlined text</u>. Not to mention some <i>italics</i>.</p><p>Paragraph 3. This one has a built in<br />line break.</p>

That contains three paragraphs. One very short. One with a long sentence that visually might span two lines. The second also contains some formatting. The third contains a sentence with an intentional line break.

Okay, so on to some testing.

Copy from browse mode, via select all (Control+A) or shift+arrows:

Pasting into notepad, results in text, with line breaks at the end of each of four lines, one of which being longish in context, although it could be of arbitrary length and would still appear the same:
"
 Paragraph 1.
Paragraph 2. This second paragraph, contains bold, as well as underlined text. Not to mention some italics.
Paragraph 3. This one has a built in
line break.
"

In text, that is considered four paragraphs, though there are no blank lines between them. I imagine the sighted would find this hard to read.

When pasting into Word 2019, the result has five lines, but four paragraphs. It pastes with my default font and size, so that the word "italics." appears on its own line, even though it is part of the second paragraph.
That can be demonstrated by character by character navigation, or by having Word right align that paragraph, and then checking what text got right aligned.

The single (in HTML) paragraph with the line break, results in two paragraphs in Word, because of the hard newline at the end.
Word's concept of a paragraph does not include hard returns, so this results in two paragraphs.

But, and I think this really needs to be understood well, my paragraphs in word are set to 1.1 line separations. NVDA+F says "line spacing 1.1 lines". It could just as easily say "double", in which case there would be a blank line after each actual line, even though there is no extra blank line in the text. There is no way for you to determine that through arrow key navigation, it is strictly a virtual line width, that is applied stylistically to the output.

Next up, Pressing NVDA+F2, then Control+A, in browse mode, as Brian suggested:

The only way that works, is if you also press bypass (NVDA+F2), before pressing Control+C to copy. Otherwise NVDA will say "No selection".
Personally I find it quicker to just hit focus mode, control+a, control+c, browse mode, because it can all be done with one hand and minimal movement (using the edge of my hand to press control); but to each his own.

Copying in one of those two ways, and then pasting into notepad, gets you:
"
Paragraph 1.

Paragraph 2. This second paragraph, contains bold, as well as underlined text. Not to mention some italics.

Paragraph 3. This one has a built in
line break.
"

I.E. six lines, with a blank between the paragraphs. Probably easier to read if you're using the ASCII version. But otherwise no real difference.

Pasting that into word, however, is very different from a font prospective, but no different from a paragraph formatting prospective.

On the font side, you get whatever the web font was if Word can do it, and what it calls "web style".
The paragraphs are still the same paragraphs, but now the bold, underlining, etc., is correctly rendered.

The line spacing, however, is set to single, instead of my normal 1.1, or my old normal of double (2 lines). So in that way, the copying from focus mode is actually worse. Though that doesn't really matter if you're going to select all in the word document, and change the font; or if you are going to change the paragraph spacing for the entire document.

But in no case does Word put a screen reader visible blank line between each paragraph, as the focus mode copy does in Notepad. That probably does make it easier for the sighted to read things in Notepad form, but it is rare in daily life to run into text formatted or shown that way (I.E. without any kind of presentational styling).

So Gene, I have to say that your original concern about pasting from browse mode copy, seems to be busted. Although the old known truth about the loss of font styling information when copied that way, is still true.

Luke

On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 12:33 PM, Gene wrote:

I really wonder how many NVDA users copy things from the Internet to send to people and have no idea that there are no paragraph divisions.

-
Gene,

You need to be very circumspect before doing this.  Even when I copy from a webpage using NVDA's virtual cursor and a CTRL+A, when I paste into Word I absolutely do have paragraphs, and if I turn on paragraph markers, they are there at the end of each word of each paragraph.

I am not quite certain what it is that you believe is missing, but it does not appear to be paragraph divisions.  The things like font face, size, etc., though are gone.
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that doesn't solve the problem and there is no advantage to doing that.  I experimented just now.  If you are copying that way in browse mode, there are no paragraph divisions.  If you turn off browse mode and use document review to copy text, again, there are no paragraph divisions.  If I use select all and copy using control c, there are paragraph divisions.

Gene

On 3/21/2022 11:07 AM, Nermin via groups.io wrote:

Hi,


to highlight text and copy it from within a browser, use NVDA+F9 to set the start marker, then move to where you want the end of your text selection to be. Press NVDA+F10 to actually perform the selection, then press it again twice quickly to copy the text to the clipboard.


The result will be something like this:


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