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Can NVDA be made to speak when filters are applied to a column?
Hi all,
When I am moving by using the left and right arrows in an Excel worksheet, I need to know if filters are active and have been applied. This is not happening. Does NVDA support speaking this? At work, I use both NVDA and jaws and found this feature of jaws handy. Pranav
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Re: Code Factory Eloquence for Windows as a SAPI voice
Sylvain Machefert
Merci Cédric ! Génial, ça marche ! Thanks you Gene! it works! -- Sylvain Machefert Tous aux Balkans ! http://www.tousauxbalkans.net Mes groupes : * Malatz'Banda - musique des Balkans * Hot Azoy - musique Klezmer * Les Compains du Velay - reconstitution historique Renaissance
Le mer. 23 juin 2021 à 13:22, Gene <gsasner@...> a écrit :
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Re: Problem updating from beta3 to beta4
Chris
I had to download and run the installer for it to update to beta 4
Going through the check for update option under help, fails with error
From: Nikos Demetriou via groups.io
Sent: 23 June 2021 10:44 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Problem updating from beta3 to beta4
Hi. I am having a problem updating from beta3 to beta 4 of nvda 2021.1.
This is the first time I had an issue like this one.
I go in to help menu and I download the update. I check the option about the incompatible addons and I press the install button.
I get the start music of the nvda installer. The installer doesn't start and I get the following message.
--------------------------- Nikos
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Re: Code Factory Eloquence for Windows as a SAPI voice
Gene
Select SAPI 5 in the synthesizer dialog. After you do that and the
dialog is closed, open the voice dialog, NVDA key control v.
Tab until you get to the field where you select the voice. It is a
combo box and it will say voice.
Down arrow to the voice you want and press enter. You won’t hear Eloquence announced as you down arrow. You will hear various available voices such as American English and lots of other languages. You will hear these announcements, I believe spoken in their languages. Find the one you want and press enter. The voice you selected is now active. Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sylvain Machefert
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 1:22 AM
Subject: [nvda] Code Factory Eloquence for Windows as a SAPI
voice Hello!
Last year I bought Code Factory
Eloquence voice.
As it was unclear, I thought I
had to buy Eloquence for Windows and then the addon for NVDA as a "link" between
NVDA and Eloquence.
After just buying the first one,
and installed the addon, it worked.
It worked fine until a recent
Code Factory's server outage during while it asked continuously for my
registration key.
After Code Factory's server came
back, I could enter my licence key in Eloquence for Windows, but NVDA don't want
to work with, it ask me for a licence key for Eloquence for NVDA.
I talked with Code Factory
support and they said that Eloquence for Windows is a SAPI voice I can use in
other software, and as a SAPI voice in NVDA. I foolowed their recommandations
and removed the Code Factory addon from NVDA. No more bugging messages.
I can use Eloquence voice in
Windows Narrator, but NVDA doesn't see it.
How I can tell NVDA there is a
SAPI voice called Eloquence and use it ?
If there is no way, I'll pay for
Eloquence addon, but as I could use it with Narrator, I suppose NVDA can do the
same.
Thanks,
--
Sylvain
Machefert
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Re: NVDA 2021.1 Beta 4 now available
Quentin Christensen
Hi everyone, For anyone experiencing an issue updating from within NVDA to Beta 4 - please download the new beta from the release announcement - https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-1beta4/ - and update via that. Apologies for the inconvenience, and thank you for your patience! Kind regards Quentin.
On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 7:58 PM Quentin Christensen via groups.io <quentin=nvaccess.org@groups.io> wrote:
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Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/ User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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Re: Problem updating from beta3 to beta4
Quentin Christensen
As Luke noted, we are now aware of this issue - As a workaround for now, please download Beta 4 from the release announcement - https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-1beta4/ - and update that way. Note that once Beta 5 comes out with a fix, you will need to update manually again (because the problem is in the version you are updating from - ie Beta 3 and Beta 4). Thanks for your patience and apologies for the inconvenience - although this is a good example of the importance of beta versions and testing them - much better that we find this out now than after the final version was out. Kind regards Quentin.
On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 7:48 PM Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote: It is known, and being worked on. --
Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/ User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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NVDA 2021.1 Beta 4 now available
Quentin Christensen
Hi everyone, NVDA 2021.1beta4 is now available for testing. As with previous betas, please test & report any issues. Changes from Beta 3 include updated translations and improvements to crash handling. Full details & download links in the release announcement: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-1beta4/ Kind regards Quentin. Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/ User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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Re: Problem updating from beta3 to beta4
Hi. Thanks a lot for the information. I downloaded beta4 manually from the website and it worked. Nikos
On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 at 12:48, Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote: It is known, and being worked on.
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Re: Problem updating from beta3 to beta4
Luke Davis
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Problem updating from beta3 to beta4
Hi. I am having a problem updating from beta3 to beta 4 of nvda 2021.1. This is the first time I had an issue like this one. I go in to help menu and I download the update. I check the option about the incompatible addons and I press the install button. I get the start music of the nvda installer. The installer doesn't start and I get the following message. --------------------------- Error --------------------------- usage: nvda_noUIAccess.exe [-h] [-q] [-k] [-f LOGFILENAME] [-l {10,12,15,20,30,40,50,100}] [-c CONFIGPATH] [-m] [-s] [--disable-addons] [--debug-logging] [--no-logging] [--no-sr-flag] [--install | --install-silent | --create-portable | --create-portable-silent] [--portable-path PORTABLEPATH] [--launcher] [--enable-start-on-logon True|False] [--copy-portable-config] [--ease-of-access] error: argument -m/--minimal: ignored explicit argument '--log-level=10' --------------------------- OK --------------------------- Nikos
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Re: Synth Development - How do you add a new language to NVDA?
Luke Davis
Hello Sheri
As Brian pointed out, this is not really an NVDA issue. You don't "add a language to NVDA" in that sense. You add a language to a particular speech synthesizer. Your best bet is likely to look into adding a new language to the eSpeak-NG synth, as it is the primary open source speech synth used with NVDA, and likely the one most welcoming of new languages. I don't know that to be true, but I doubt you will get Eloquence (Code Factory, which is really just selling a product from a much larger company), or Microsoft's OneCore team, to listen to you for a language that will only ever be needed by a tiny fraction of an already small people group. https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng Good luck! Luke
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Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser
denice If you go to file then help then about what is your version The latest version for me is. 91.0.864.54 (Official build) (64-bit) If you don't have that version edge will update itself then click restart then try again.
On 23/06/2021 7:56 pm, dennis huckle
wrote:
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Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser
dennis huckle <denniswhuckle@...>
That would account for my seeing the context menu as Nothing, as far as I am aware is updated lately on my system. Kind regards, Dennis huckle.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 23 June 2021 00:53 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser
A problem has been reported on the list that, recently, the context menu doesn’t open properly so screen-readers can’t see it. I’m not sure if it doesn’t open properly or for some reason, the screen-reader doesn’t move to it. this seems to be a problem that has occurred more or less within the last week since it first was discussed about a week ago. I don’t think it is understood whether this is a problem with Edge or with Windows 10 but it evidently is related to a recent update of something.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: dennis huckle Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser
Very strange to me Jean. I feel sure I always open the context menu by the usual method of shift f 10 or am I getting something wrong. Exactly what is it you or others want to achieve. It would be difficult for me to show what the context menu gives me in edge so I can only do my best to explain Kind regards, Dennis huckle.
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Gene
The disability answer desk has nothing to do with Microsoft’s department that corrects problems with accessibility and works on accessibility in general. they help blind people do things such as install programs or try to solve problems with programs. the competence of the techs seems to vary widely, according to reports I’ve heard. Support staff are never to be trusted implicitly. I try to avoid dealing with support staff but when I have, with various companies, I find I am given incorrect information enough that I don’t believe anything that doesn’t sound correct to me without further investigation.
Microsoft does put a good deal of work into accessibility. If you want to report this problem to the department that is responsible for accessibility, I would imagine someone can give you information about that. But your general comments about Microsoft are just plain wrong.
While I expect this problem to be corrected, it is not true that you need to use the context menu to download using the browser. I almost never use it. And there are some sites that you can’t download from using the context menu because of the way the sites work so you neede to know the other way. If you want, I will explain the other method which is the far more generally used one.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Brian Sackrider Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 5:54 PM To: nvda@groups.io Subject: [nvda] I don't think that microsoft wants to fixt the problem with the context menu in the edge brouser
I justgot a call back from the disability answer desk and the guy told
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Re: Code Factory Eloquence for Windows as a SAPI voice
cédric Paulet
Good morning,
You can use sapi 5 voices with nvda. In nvda settings, choose speech and change synthetiser and choose Microsoft api version 5 and press enter. In voice liste, choose reed for exemple. Best regards Cedric
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> De la part de Sylvain Machefert
Hello! Last year I bought Code Factory Eloquence voice. As it was unclear, I thought I had to buy Eloquence for Windows and then the addon for NVDA as a "link" between NVDA and Eloquence. After just buying the first one, and installed the addon, it worked.
It worked fine until a recent Code Factory's server outage during while it asked continuously for my registration key. After Code Factory's server came back, I could enter my licence key in Eloquence for Windows, but NVDA don't want to work with, it ask me for a licence key for Eloquence for NVDA.
I talked with Code Factory support and they said that Eloquence for Windows is a SAPI voice I can use in other software, and as a SAPI voice in NVDA. I foolowed their recommandations and removed the Code Factory addon from NVDA. No more bugging messages.
I can use Eloquence voice in Windows Narrator, but NVDA doesn't see it.
How I can tell NVDA there is a SAPI voice called Eloquence and use it ?
If there is no way, I'll pay for Eloquence addon, but as I could use it with Narrator, I suppose NVDA can do the same.
Thanks,
-- Sylvain Machefert
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Code Factory Eloquence for Windows as a SAPI voice
Sylvain Machefert
Hello! Last year I bought Code Factory Eloquence voice. As it was unclear, I thought I had to buy Eloquence for Windows and then the addon for NVDA as a "link" between NVDA and Eloquence. After just buying the first one, and installed the addon, it worked. It worked fine until a recent Code Factory's server outage during while it asked continuously for my registration key. After Code Factory's server came back, I could enter my licence key in Eloquence for Windows, but NVDA don't want to work with, it ask me for a licence key for Eloquence for NVDA. I talked with Code Factory support and they said that Eloquence for Windows is a SAPI voice I can use in other software, and as a SAPI voice in NVDA. I foolowed their recommandations and removed the Code Factory addon from NVDA. No more bugging messages. I can use Eloquence voice in Windows Narrator, but NVDA doesn't see it. How I can tell NVDA there is a SAPI voice called Eloquence and use it ? If there is no way, I'll pay for Eloquence addon, but as I could use it with Narrator, I suppose NVDA can do the same. Thanks, -- Sylvain Machefert
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Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser
Ron Canazzi
Hi Group,
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I do use Edge browser on occasion, but with this discussion, I tried to reproduce the issue. I did reproduce it. However, being of a curious and experimental mindset, I played around or about 5 minutes and found that although in the virtual cursor, the press of the Windows context key or the shift + F10 keystroke does not produce the visible context menu, when I turn off virtual cursor and then tab to the desired link and then press the Windows context key, the menu does in fact open. It is not voiced but if you do the following, you have full access to the context menu. 1. Find the link that you want using the virtual cursor. 2. move your cursor back a link or two and then turn off the virtual cursor. 3. tab to highlight the desired link. 4. then press the windows context key. 5. Nothing is voiced, so press up/down arrow key or use first letter navigation to bring up the desired item. In addition, if you don't want to interact with a particular link, then highlight a piece of non linked text or a blank spot and turn off the virtual cursor to get the other non link context menu: back, forward, view source, add to collection and so on. While this is a bit clumsy, it does work and if you need to use Edge, for now, that's the way to go.
On 6/22/2021 6:54 PM, Brian Sackrider wrote:
I justgot a call back from the disability answer desk and the guy told me to do a clean install of my windows or use the nvda redgistery tool. I told him that other peoplealso are having this problem so it's not mywindows or my nvda it is on their end. He kept on trying to get me to do what he said but I told him that I will not do that. If they don't want to fix the problem that this just proves once and for all that microsoft does not care one bit about accessability. When they turn off ie next year you will not be able to down load anything using their brouser. I hope that they are proud ofthemselves for not caring enough to fix the problem of the context menu not reading in the edge brouser. We nownot to expect any real accessability from now on. They are saying it's your problem not ours. When we call them to tell them of an accessability issue we will be told thats our problem not ours. I don't have any respect for them at all. If they would have told me that they are awhear of the problem and they are working on a sulution that would be a different story but that is not the case. Thats your dumb forigeners for you they are to bit and lazy and incompatent their programers are a joke whear did they get their degree? Out of a cracker jack box. --
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser
On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 10:32 PM, Blake Roberts wrote:
Or you can download another Chromium-based browser such as Brave. I might try Brave myself, so that I will have a third browser which does not start with the letter I.- Blake, I use Brave, Chrome, Edge, and Vivaldi as well as Firefox. The first four in that list are all Chromium-based browsers, and if you actually want another in your browser quiver consider Vivaldi as well as Brave. I really like both because of their focus on browser privacy to the greatest extent possible and built-in ad blocking features. I have to use uBlock Origin in Edge and Chrome for ad blocking, and it's really impossible to do anything with regard to the data mining that goes with Chrome (and, probably to a lesser extent, but still there, with Edge). Firefox works well with NVDA, and they have been taking more of a privacy bent in recent releases, too, but that's still not one of their primary foci. When it comes right down to it, none of us has any right to expect any specific browser (or other software) will necessary work as we hope it would. That's why, these days, having the number of browser options we do, almost all of which are accessible, is a wonderful development. There's more than one for everyone. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser
On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 10:32 PM, Blake Roberts wrote:
if list archives are accessible to anyone on the Internet.- Our list archives are, and always have been, accessible to the public and are crawled by the various search engines for indexing. Groups.io gives the option for private archives when a group is set up, and if that's selected, that choice is irrevocable. I really don't know if the same is true for public archives. But I don't know of a single online forum or mailing list that is in the broad class of "technical support for end users," and we certainly fall into that class, that does not have public archives. The whole point of these venues is information sharing, both immediate and at a later date and time for searchers. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser
Blake Roberts <BEarlRoberts@...>
I agree with John that the original poster attacking MS in writing was not appropriate. Be aware, everyone, that all messages written to groups.io lists are in an archive after submission/approval. I'm not 100% certain if NVDA list messages are readable without a list subscription, but I'm thinking all messages might be publicly accessible. If I'm correct then Microsoft could theoretically read anything written about it by the original poster, or anyone else, if list archives are accessible to anyone on the Internet.
Additionally, I fully support a statement made by Moderator Vogel about having different browsers installed. When I previously wrote about switching back to Google Chrome, I only changed my default browser. If I have difficulty accessing a particular web site in Chrome, I'll load it in Microsoft Edge. For folks who don't want to try Google Chrome, I repeat my previous suggestion to install/try Firefox. Or you can download another Chromium-based browser such as Brave. I might try Brave myself, so that I will have a third browser which does not start with the letter I. Speaking of IE, to my knowledge Internet Explorer will not be going away until 2022. So you can still use Internet Explorer for months at this point in time. In closing, I encourage flexibility in trying a new browser or two and patience to see if the context-menu issue is fixed in a future Edge browser update. Blake
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Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser
Gene
If you have too many steps, I don’t know what the cause is. You
generally shouldn’t have more.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Sackrider
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge
browser The guy from Microsoft did try a number of things to fix
my problem but he could not fix my problem. He did try the fsc scann now
and he did a repear of both my windows and the edge brouser. He did a
reinstall of my windows but not a clean install of my windows. He used the
quick assist to remote me. I have no problemwith waiting until the next
version of edge comes out or for the next patch. My problem is that I was
told that microsoft is even working on the problem. My only concerned is
that the problem does get fixtbefore they turn of ie. I never said that
they chould fix the problem in the next few days or weeks but that are
activlyare working on the problem. mMy case has been sent to tear 2 so I
will have to wait and see what they say about the problem. I do hope that
they do fix the problem before ie is no more. Since I am not the only one
with the problem the problem is not with my windows. This iswhat is wrong
with companies they want to say that it's the users problem and not theirs they
don't want to take responsability for their products. It's always the
users problem and not theirs and thats just not true. The problem does not
occure in ie and I don't like chrome as there are to many steps just to down
load a file. Chrome says that this file is not secure and I don't know if
this can be turned off or not. My friend sent me an email that has the
steps on how to down load in chrome and he does not like it either. It is
quite doable but it's not preferable. Brian Sackrider On 6/22/2021 8:19 PM, Blake Roberts via groups.io
wrote:
As I mentioned previously, I also experience the context-menu issue using the current version of Microsoft Edge. I reported the issue to Microsoft several days ago using help/send feedback in the browser.
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