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Re: Microsoft Edge Internet Explorer mode conflict with NVDA

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  This issue happened before I'd installed any add-ons, so disabling them would probably produce the same result.  There are several urls that this happens with, but I believe they all have xml code because when I open them, xml is mentioned.  I'm running NVDA 2020.3 RC1.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: Microsoft Edge Internet Explorer mode conflict with NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Does it always do this on that page - eg if you go back to the same page will it do it again?  If so, can you share the URL please?

Are you using any NVDA add-ons?  If you restart NVDA without those (NVDA+Q then down arrow to "Restart NVDA with add-ons disabled" then enter) does it make a difference.

And which version of NVDA are you using?  EG NVDA 2020.2 or NVDA 2020.3 RC1? (and if you try the other version does it help?)

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 3:27 PM Louise Pfau <louise.pfau@...> wrote:
Hi.  When I tried to read a podcast feed in Microsoft Edge with Internet Explorer mode, the speech quit.  I had to restart NVDA, and when I did, the page was read as a restore error.  I used Internet Explorer mode because the default mode for both Microsoft Edge and Google Chrome displays what I think is the code for a lot of the podcast feeds I use.  I like reading through podcast feeds in web browsers.

Thanks,

Louise



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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: portable vertual box

john doe
 

On 10/12/2020 4:09 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

How accessible is virtualbox compaired to vmware workstation or its player.



Background:

In 2015 or there abouts after getting a new computer with the abilities
to run hardware virtualisation, I got and downloaded what was supposed
to be a reasonable accessible software package called vmware player and
decided to buy vmware workstation pro 15.

Almost immediately I found a few issues.

Namely the non reading of edit fields in the program and the fact that
there were some slowdowns.

Things were all right for what I was needing the software for but in
2020, I upgraded to the latest vmware 16.

Not only were my accessibility issues not fixed, but on reboot the
windows keyboard refused to work till I ran a restore of windows.

I had previously installed enhanced keyboard and forgot to check it,
which may have caused the issue but by then I wasn't that happy with the
software interface.

Pluss on removing vmware software performance on my system went up.

As well as this I had forgotten my vmware account password and needed a
captcha to get it and then I just couldn't be bothered anymore.

What is virtualbox like.

I am actually interested in portable virtual box because I can run it,
its drivers and services when I want will run and it will go away when I
am done, yet I can use it and it may just be the ticket to my fiddling.

Then again after the almost near fatal experience with the latest vmware
on windows I am loathed to bother trying at all.

I don't have room for a dedicated system to run virtual anything and
since I almost had to reformat due to no keyboard working in windows,
and with my tinkering with virtual machines really just that, I
seriously don't want to go through that again.

If its possible I therefore want something that will run from anywhere,
and then when I don't need it go away leaving windows in tact.

Is it worth to try again, it looks like I may get a better ride with
keyboard shortcuts and can customise them which will be really cool.

But is it worth it and will it be better than vmware or should I simply
get out of virtual machines alltogether.
When looking for virtualisation software, I first went for Virtualbox
with the intention of using it from the CLI.
I've never been able to get what I wanted from it and went for Qemu instead.

With things ported from linux, in most cases, the CLI is always working
on Windows.

--
John Doe


error on waterfox

 

Hi.

Been traveling round several sites and finally make it to blogspot after a bit.

Site load, and I get this small snippit.

This is with addons on, addons off, running waterfox classic.It will happen again if I use the program some more.

Its a lot more stable than the beta and does not completely crash.

ERROR - scriptHandler.executeScript (18:01:50.814) - MainThread (7824):
error executing script: <bound method BrowseModeTreeInterceptor.addQuickNav.<locals>.<lambda> of <virtualBuffers.gecko_ia2.Gecko_ia2 object at 0x08D7F650>> with gesture 'h'
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "scriptHandler.pyc", line 208, in executeScript
  File "browseMode.pyc", line 451, in <lambda>
  File "browseMode.pyc", line 407, in _quickNavScript
  File "documentBase.pyc", line 27, in _get_selection
  File "documentBase.pyc", line 24, in makeTextInfo
  File "virtualBuffers\__init__.pyc", line 207, in __init__
  File "textInfos\offsets.pyc", line 472, in __init__
  File "virtualBuffers\__init__.pyc", line 212, in _getSelectionOffsets
OSError: [WinError 1775] A null context handle was passed from the client to the host during a remote procedure call

From the looks of it it looks like a virtual buffer error but what is it?

Closed and reopened waterfox 2020.09 classic to the site with the issue and there is no problem.

I have just gone through 2 sets of forums, livejournal, twitter and 6 wordpress sites and 3 blogspot sites in and it crashes.

There are some slow loading sites that always load slow.

sites like www.digitaldarragh.com/blog and yourdolphin.com and it handles it ok.

Is it not clearing the buffers.

I let it go through sites by leaving it alone but while a site was loading I hit control to silence speech.

Waterfox did load the site and that seems to work, but nvda seems to have the issue with waterfox, could be a sync error.

Ok, after brousing through a few more sites, I let a few through then hit control to interupt speech a few times and got this error from garbage collecter.

WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.107) - MainThread (7824):
Garbage collector has found one or more unreachable objects. See further warnings for specific objects.
Stack trace:
  File "nvda.pyw", line 215, in <module>
  File "core.pyc", line 550, in main
  File "wx\core.pyc", line 2134, in MainLoop
  File "gui\__init__.pyc", line 1050, in Notify
  File "core.pyc", line 520, in run
  File "queueHandler.pyc", line 88, in pumpAll
  File "queueHandler.pyc", line 55, in flushQueue
  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 65, in _queueEventCallback
  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 212, in executeEvent
  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 256, in doPreGainFocus
  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 217, in executeEvent
  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 96, in __init__
  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 105, in next
  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 1098, in event_focusEntered
  File "baseObject.pyc", line 42, in __get__
  File "baseObject.pyc", line 146, in _getPropertyViaCache
  File "NVDAObjects\behaviors.pyc", line 154, in _get_isPresentableFocusAncestor
  File "baseObject.pyc", line 42, in __get__
  File "baseObject.pyc", line 146, in _getPropertyViaCache
  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 1506, in _get_isPresentableFocusAncestor
  File "baseObject.pyc", line 42, in __get__
  File "baseObject.pyc", line 146, in _getPropertyViaCache
  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 961, in _get_isPresentableFocusAncestor
  File "baseObject.pyc", line 42, in __get__
  File "baseObject.pyc", line 146, in _getPropertyViaCache
  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 781, in _get_presentationType
  File "baseObject.pyc", line 42, in __get__
  File "baseObject.pyc", line 146, in _getPropertyViaCache
  File "NVDAObjects\behaviors.pyc", line 147, in _get_description
  File "NVDAObjects\behaviors.pyc", line 102, in getDialogText
  File "NVDAObjects\behaviors.pyc", line 78, in getDialogText
  File "baseObject.pyc", line 42, in __get__
  File "baseObject.pyc", line 146, in _getPropertyViaCache
  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 1065, in _get_children
  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 86, in __call__
  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 584, in findOverlayClasses
  File "NVDAObjects\window\__init__.pyc", line 136, in findOverlayClasses
  File "NVDAObjects\window\__init__.pyc", line 136, in <genexpr>
  File "abc.pyc", line 143, in __subclasscheck__
  File "abc.pyc", line 143, in __subclasscheck__
  File "abc.pyc", line 143, in __subclasscheck__
  File "garbageHandler.pyc", line 23, in __del__
  File "garbageHandler.pyc", line 64, in notifyObjectDeletion
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.107) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.mozilla.Mozilla object at 0x08D7F2B0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.107) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.WindowRoot object at 0x08D7FFB0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.107) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessible2) ptr=0x55a956c at 8cb5d50>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.107) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleAction) ptr=0x55a95fc at 8cb5710>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.107) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleText) ptr=0x55a905c at 8cb55d0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.107) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x565f0a4 at 8cb54e0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.107) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.window.Desktop object at 0x08D76F70>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.107) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <virtualBuffers.gecko_ia2.Gecko_ia2 object at 0x08D6C1B0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.107) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_DocumentMozillaIAccessible object at 0x08C44350>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.107) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessible2) ptr=0x38ffc94 at 8cbd490>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.107) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleAction) ptr=0x573ac74 at 8cbd440>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.107) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleText) ptr=0x573a95c at 8cbd170>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.107) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.mozilla.Mozilla object at 0x08D76D10>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.107) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.mozilla.Mozilla object at 0x06ECAC10>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.107) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessible2) ptr=0x54b3de4 at 8cbdf80>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.107) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleAction) ptr=0x54b40b4 at 8cbd350>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.107) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessible2) ptr=0x54b3de4 at 8cbdc60>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.107) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleAction) ptr=0x54b40b4 at 8cbd4e0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.107) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_DialogMozillaIAccessible object at 0x08C6D5F0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.107) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessible2) ptr=0x565eef4 at 8cbd210>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.107) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleAction) ptr=0x565f17c at 8cbd850>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.107) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.mozilla.Mozilla object at 0x08D7F8F0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.107) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessible2) ptr=0x565f20c at 8cbd3f0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.107) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleAction) ptr=0x565ef84 at 8cbda30>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.mozilla.Mozilla object at 0x08D7FBB0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessible2) ptr=0x55a956c at 8cbd1c0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleAction) ptr=0x55a95fc at 8cbd580>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleText) ptr=0x55a905c at 8cbd120>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.mozilla.Mozilla object at 0x00CA66D0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.window.Desktop object at 0x08C6D410>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_DialogIAccessibleWindowNVDAObject object at 0x00F01FF0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.Button object at 0x00CA6710>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.mozilla.Mozilla object at 0x00F08310>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.WindowRoot object at 0x08D76E70>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.WindowRoot object at 0x00F019B0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA object at 0x00CA6A30>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA object at 0x00CA6470>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_DialogIAccessibleWindowNVDAObject object at 0x08D4B050>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.WindowRoot object at 0x05870E10>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <'appModuleHandler' (appName 'werfault', process ID 5900) at address 3aca9b0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_EditableTextWithAutoSelectDetectionDocumentEditorMozillaIAccessible object at 0x00CA67D0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessible2) ptr=0x55dc9bc at caaa80>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleAction) ptr=0x561b0c4 at caa990>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleText) ptr=0x561b58c at caa620>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x55e0190 at 8cbde90>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x57fbee0 at caa710>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessible2) ptr=0x55dc9bc at 8cbd530>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleAction) ptr=0x561b0c4 at 8cbdc10>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleText) ptr=0x561b58c at 8cbd0d0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x55d7814 at caa6c0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x573a884 at caa670>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x55ec2a8 at 6efc440>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x55ec1d0 at caa5d0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_DialogIAccessibleWindowNVDAObject object at 0x00CA6E90>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x54fdeb8 at 6f30cb0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x54fddb0 at caa0d0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.window.Desktop object at 0x08D4B370>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessible2) ptr=0x561b46c at 8cbdcb0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleAction) ptr=0x57c48f4 at 8cbdf30>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleText) ptr=0x57c4b7c at 8cbd2b0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.mozilla.Mozilla object at 0x05870E30>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0xd29680 at caa440>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessible2) ptr=0x54fc1b4 at 6efc670>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleAction) ptr=0x54fbd7c at 6f302b0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.mozilla.Mozilla object at 0x03B464D0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessible2) ptr=0x55dc9bc at caa530>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleAction) ptr=0x561b0c4 at caad50>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.117) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleText) ptr=0x561b58c at caaf30>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:28:04.127) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.window.Desktop object at 0x08D4B250>
ERROR - garbageHandler._collectionCallback (18:28:04.127) - MainThread (7824):
Found at least 69 unreachable objects in run
ERROR - watchdog._watcher (18:33:31.438) - watchdog (6588):
Core frozen in stack!
INFO - watchdog._watcher (18:33:31.440) - watchdog (6588):
Listing stacks for Python threads:
Python stack for thread 11048 (watchdog.CancellableCallThread.execute(<_FuncPtr object at 0x00C81A08>)):
  File "threading.pyc", line 890, in _bootstrap
  File "threading.pyc", line 926, in _bootstrap_inner
  File "watchdog.pyc", line 317, in run
  File "threading.pyc", line 552, in wait
  File "threading.pyc", line 296, in wait

Python stack for thread 6588 (watchdog):
  File "threading.pyc", line 890, in _bootstrap
  File "threading.pyc", line 926, in _bootstrap_inner
  File "threading.pyc", line 870, in run
  File "watchdog.pyc", line 127, in _watcher
  File "watchdog.pyc", line 62, in getFormattedStacksForAllThreads

Python stack for thread 9072 (winInputHook):
  File "threading.pyc", line 890, in _bootstrap
  File "threading.pyc", line 926, in _bootstrap_inner
  File "threading.pyc", line 870, in run
  File "winInputHook.pyc", line 79, in hookThreadFunc

Python stack for thread 1376 (_UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThread):
  File "threading.pyc", line 890, in _bootstrap
  File "threading.pyc", line 926, in _bootstrap_inner
  File "threading.pyc", line 870, in run
  File "_UIAHandler.pyc", line 310, in MTAThreadFunc
  File "queue.pyc", line 170, in get
  File "threading.pyc", line 296, in wait

Python stack for thread 4520 (braille._BgThread):
  File "threading.pyc", line 890, in _bootstrap
  File "threading.pyc", line 926, in _bootstrap_inner
  File "threading.pyc", line 870, in run
  File "braille.pyc", line 2187, in func

Python stack for thread 11812 (synthDrivers._espeak.BgThread):
  File "threading.pyc", line 890, in _bootstrap
  File "threading.pyc", line 926, in _bootstrap_inner
  File "synthDrivers\_espeak.pyc", line 190, in run
  File "queue.pyc", line 170, in get
  File "threading.pyc", line 296, in wait

Python stack for thread 7824 (MainThread):
  File "nvda.pyw", line 215, in <module>
  File "core.pyc", line 550, in main
  File "wx\core.pyc", line 2134, in MainLoop
  File "gui\__init__.pyc", line 1050, in Notify
  File "core.pyc", line 520, in run
  File "queueHandler.pyc", line 88, in pumpAll
  File "queueHandler.pyc", line 55, in flushQueue
  File "scriptHandler.pyc", line 166, in _queueScriptCallback
  File "keyboardHandler.pyc", line 516, in executeScript
  File "inputCore.pyc", line 201, in executeScript
  File "scriptHandler.pyc", line 208, in executeScript
  File "browseMode.pyc", line 1459, in script_tab
  File "browseMode.pyc", line 1424, in _tabOverride
  File "documentBase.pyc", line 24, in makeTextInfo
  File "virtualBuffers\__init__.pyc", line 207, in __init__
  File "textInfos\offsets.pyc", line 457, in __init__
  File "virtualBuffers\__init__.pyc", line 195, in _getOffsetsFromNVDAObject
  File "virtualBuffers\__init__.pyc", line 190, in _getOffsetsFromNVDAObjectInBuffer
  File "virtualBuffers\__init__.pyc", line 164, in _getOffsetsFromFieldIdentifier

WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.328) - MainThread (7824):
Garbage collector has found one or more unreachable objects. See further warnings for specific objects.
Stack trace:
  File "nvda.pyw", line 215, in <module>
  File "core.pyc", line 550, in main
  File "wx\core.pyc", line 2134, in MainLoop
  File "gui\__init__.pyc", line 1050, in Notify
  File "core.pyc", line 519, in run
  File "IAccessibleHandler\__init__.pyc", line 1103, in pumpAll
  File "IAccessibleHandler\__init__.pyc", line 759, in processFocusWinEvent
  File "IAccessibleHandler\__init__.pyc", line 636, in winEventToNVDAEvent
  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 48, in getNVDAObjectFromEvent
  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 79, in __call__
  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 660, in __init__
  File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 1158, in QueryInterface
  File "comtypesMonkeyPatches.pyc", line 28, in __call__
  File "comtypesMonkeyPatches.pyc", line 104, in newCpbDel
  File "garbageHandler.pyc", line 64, in notifyObjectDeletion
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.328) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessible2) ptr=0x564489c at caa0d0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.328) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.mozilla.Mozilla object at 0x00CA63F0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.328) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleAction) ptr=0x5644cd4 at caa3f0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.328) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleText) ptr=0x56448e4 at caa210>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.328) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x57637fc at caa1c0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.338) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.WindowRoot object at 0x08D4B410>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.338) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.window.Desktop object at 0x08D4B370>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.338) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessible2) ptr=0x564489c at 6f30f80>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.338) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.mozilla.Mozilla object at 0x06ECAC10>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.338) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleAction) ptr=0x5644cd4 at 6efc760>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.338) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleText) ptr=0x56448e4 at 6f308f0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.338) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessible2) ptr=0x5763c7c at 8cbd350>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.338) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_DocumentMozillaIAccessible object at 0x08D6C4D0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.338) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleAction) ptr=0x5763d54 at 8cbd850>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.338) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleText) ptr=0x5763a3c at 8cbdf30>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.338) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessible2) ptr=0x8eebcb4 at 8cbd490>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.338) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.mozilla.Mozilla object at 0x08D6C310>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.338) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleAction) ptr=0x8eec014 at 8cbd1c0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.338) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessible2) ptr=0x563ecbc at 8cbde90>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.338) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_DialogMozillaIAccessible object at 0x08D6C530>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.338) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleAction) ptr=0x563e914 at 8cbd2b0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.338) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessible2) ptr=0x563eddc at 8cbd3f0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.338) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.mozilla.Mozilla object at 0x00CA60D0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.338) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleAction) ptr=0x563e71c at 8cbd4e0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.338) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessible2) ptr=0x564489c at 8cbdc10>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.338) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.mozilla.Mozilla object at 0x00CA6830>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.338) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleAction) ptr=0x5644cd4 at 8cbdf80>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.338) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleText) ptr=0x56448e4 at 8cbdc60>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.338) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <virtualBuffers.gecko_ia2.Gecko_ia2 object at 0x00CA6CD0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.338) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessible2) ptr=0x5763c7c at 8cb5620>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.338) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_DocumentMozillaIAccessible object at 0x00F01B90>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.338) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleAction) ptr=0x5763d54 at 8cbda30>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.338) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleText) ptr=0x5763a3c at 8cb54e0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.338) - MainThread (7824):
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WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.338) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.mozilla.Mozilla object at 0x00F01170>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.338) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleAction) ptr=0x8eec014 at 8cbd580>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.342) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessible2) ptr=0x563ecbc at 8cb5d00>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.342) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_DialogMozillaIAccessible object at 0x00F01FF0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.342) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleAction) ptr=0x563e914 at 8cb5da0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.342) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessible2) ptr=0x563eddc at 8cb5a30>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.342) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.mozilla.Mozilla object at 0x00F08790>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.342) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleAction) ptr=0x563e71c at 8cb59e0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.342) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessible2) ptr=0x564489c at 8cb5300>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.342) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.mozilla.Mozilla object at 0x00F08F90>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.342) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleAction) ptr=0x5644cd4 at 8cb53f0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.342) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleText) ptr=0x56448e4 at 8cb55d0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.342) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x5662c88 at 8cb5c60>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.342) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_MultitaskingViewFrameListItemListItemUIA object at 0x00F08330>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.342) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x54fc860 at caa850>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.342) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.Button object at 0x00F080B0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.342) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessible2) ptr=0x55f31a4 at caa5d0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.342) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.mozilla.Mozilla object at 0x0118A850>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.342) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleAction) ptr=0x55f3234 at caa8a0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.342) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <POINTER(IAccessibleText) ptr=0x55f36fc at caaf30>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.342) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <NVDAObjects.window.Desktop object at 0x00CA67F0>
WARNING - garbageHandler.notifyObjectDeletion (18:34:05.342) - MainThread (7824):
Deleting unreachable object <'appModuleHandler' (appName 'waterfox', process ID 10204) at address 8d4b210>
ERROR - garbageHandler._collectionCallback (18:34:05.342) - MainThread (7824):
Found at least 56 unreachable objects in run

I am still suspecting this is a virtual buffers issue or something, it didn't happen in the previous version of waterfox or maybe it has been doing so and not generating enough to cause nvda to bail.

This is standard brousing.

The issue is I can't get it to bail on command.

Its the buffers, but the only thing I can think is they are not clearing, I don't know python but I have done programming courses back in the day and it looks like the buffers are probably it.

Something is not clearing right.

The slower a site is interacting when loading the more of a chance it is.

I can make it happen but I have to brouse round the net going from site to site for a few minutes before it triggers.

I can try to make it trigger but I can't make it do on demand.

I can continue to run on 08, but even so.

Any takers?


Microsoft Edge Internet Explorer mode conflict with NVDA

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  When I tried to read a podcast feed in Microsoft Edge with Internet Explorer mode, the speech quit.  I had to restart NVDA, and when I did, the page was read as a restore error.  I used Internet Explorer mode because the default mode for both Microsoft Edge and Google Chrome displays what I think is the code for a lot of the podcast feeds I use.  I like reading through podcast feeds in web browsers.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: NVDA and Ivona from nextup.com

Quentin Christensen
 

I believe this is the page: https://nextup.com/ivona/

Or at least that's what we've got on our extra voices resource list: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/ExtraVoices - so if it's not correct, do please let me know :)

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 2:18 PM Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Well good luck with getting them since they are amazon, I'd dearly like to buy either full ivona voices for english or the acapella but the only sapi acapella stuff is a usb stick version costing 300 us which is 600 nz pluss shipping for everything and even if I get the english only of acapella from the uk its still to much.

I am still looking for complete synth packages but apart from the code factory ones, and orpheus  which I have I havn't found complete packs of voices anywhere just by voice and its a lot even if I got all the serotalk ones its still a lot.



On 12/10/2020 4:09 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Ivona voices do work with NVDA.  I haven't used them myself, but I know we have users who do, and we had an issue with our beta for 2020.3 where we attempted to fix an issue with Ivona voices, which inadvertently broke other voices.  (I believe the issue is with say all not working correctly in some cases - https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10901)

Regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 12:54 AM Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:
if you bought them, you should be able to download them as many times as you need. Also, I don't think those voices are SAPI5. I think they only work in the text aloud program. I don't think they work with NVDA.


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Re: NVDA losing focus

Quentin Christensen
 

I'm not sure about Waterfox, but the other thing for the OP to try is running NVDA with add-ons disabled - press NVDA+Q then down arrow to "Restart with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER.  See if that helps.  If it does, it is likely an add-on causing problems.  Try only enabling one at a time to work out which it is.

And yes, do please try the 2020.3 release candidate.  As Brian said, if no major issues are found with it, then it will be identical to 2020.3.  Whereas if we hear about a major issue the week after 2020.3 comes out, we'll either have to go through the beta / rc process for a .1 release, or wait until 2020.4.  Download from https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2020-3rc1/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 2:48 PM Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Well I wander if nvda latest rc works on the latest water fox 2020.09, I have been having a lot of webpage crash issues which have not happened on 08.

I am quite busy this week but the beta did crash with my amd system so who knows.

08 is fine for me but even so.



On 11/10/2020 4:21 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:
Given that the 2020.3 release candidate 1 NVDA is available, I'd suggest uninstalling your 2020.2 and then installing 2020.3rc1.  Barring any real surprises, the release candidate 1 will be transitioning to actual 2020.3.

It's been very stable on my machine, even during the betas.

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Re: NVDA and Ivona from nextup.com

 

Well good luck with getting them since they are amazon, I'd dearly like to buy either full ivona voices for english or the acapella but the only sapi acapella stuff is a usb stick version costing 300 us which is 600 nz pluss shipping for everything and even if I get the english only of acapella from the uk its still to much.

I am still looking for complete synth packages but apart from the code factory ones, and orpheus  which I have I havn't found complete packs of voices anywhere just by voice and its a lot even if I got all the serotalk ones its still a lot.



On 12/10/2020 4:09 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Ivona voices do work with NVDA.  I haven't used them myself, but I know we have users who do, and we had an issue with our beta for 2020.3 where we attempted to fix an issue with Ivona voices, which inadvertently broke other voices.  (I believe the issue is with say all not working correctly in some cases - https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10901)

Regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 12:54 AM Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:
if you bought them, you should be able to download them as many times as you need. Also, I don't think those voices are SAPI5. I think they only work in the text aloud program. I don't think they work with NVDA.


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Re: Portable Virtual Box

 

Hi carlos.

Well I know qt5 has more accessability in it.

I am willing to try more things though since with what the vmware interface has shown me while settings are accessible there are somethings not and its not progressed from 15-16 version, as well as that the install of 16 basically bricked windows.

And while I finally was able to guess and get into my vmware account you have to pay for support and there is no way to report my issues which means in short I will never in a thousand reformats will reinstall or recommend vmware anything at all.

I have used their converter and its a nogo and well, to be honest I am over paying for my virtual machine software especially since I only have room for 1 vm at once anyway.

On 12/10/2020 3:39 pm, Carlos Medrano wrote:
Shaun,
Virtual Box is mostly accessible. There are a couple of places that NVDA won't read, such as the vm menu that appears when you do the host command to pull it up. Something else to note is that the UI is coded in QT, meaning that any quirks that QT-based programs have will also be present. A few areas in the settings dialog also are not properly read. For instance, the drop down that has the various categories sometimes reads the wrong item, instead of the one selected. It can also be painful to add things like new disk controllers as well for example. The good news is that anything doable with the UI should be doable with the command line.
Keep in mind that I haven't used Virtual Box in a couple of years, so many of these points may not be relevant with the latest version. I also have never used any portable version of Virtual Box, so I cannot speak to how well it performs.
Hope this helps.
-Carlos

On 10/11/2020 9:09 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

How accessible is virtualbox compaired to vmware workstation or its player.



Background:

In 2015 or there abouts after getting a new computer with the abilities to run hardware virtualisation, I got and downloaded what was supposed to be a reasonable accessible software package called vmware player and decided to buy vmware workstation pro 15.

Almost immediately I found a few issues.

Namely the non reading of edit fields in the program and the fact that there were some slowdowns.

Things were all right for what I was needing the software for but in 2020, I upgraded to the latest vmware 16.

Not only were my accessibility issues not fixed, but on reboot the windows keyboard refused to work till I ran a restore of windows.

I had previously installed enhanced keyboard and forgot to check it, which may have caused the issue but by then I wasn't that happy with the software interface.

Pluss on removing vmware software performance on my system went up.

As well as this I had forgotten my vmware account password and needed a captcha to get it and then I just couldn't be bothered anymore.

What is virtualbox like.

I am actually interested in portable virtual box because I can run it, its drivers and services when I want will run and it will go away when I am done, yet I can use it and it may just be the ticket to my fiddling.

Then again after the almost near fatal experience with the latest vmware on windows I am loathed to bother trying at all.

I don't have room for a dedicated system to run virtual anything and since I almost had to reformat due to no keyboard working in windows, and with my tinkering with virtual machines really just that, I seriously don't want to go through that again.

If its possible I therefore want something that will run from anywhere, and then when I don't need it go away leaving windows in tact.

Is it worth to try again, it looks like I may get a better ride with keyboard shortcuts and can customise them which will be really cool.

But is it worth it and will it be better than vmware or should I simply get out of virtual machines alltogether.

On that note, is the hypervisor hyper v system in windows worth my time.

It comes with the os so I hope it will not destroy windows if I make a mistake.











Re: NVDA Silent Installation

Quentin Christensen
 

No spaces in "--install-silent", just hyphens.


On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 3:06 AM Chris via groups.io <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

 

nvda_2020.2.exe --install-silent

 

From: Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) via groups.io
Sent: 10 October 2020 15:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Silent Installation

 

Thanks so much, no spaces?

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Sent: 07 October 2020 20:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Silent Installation

 

--install-silent

 

 

 

From: Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) via groups.io
Sent: 07 October 2020 20:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Silent Installation

 

Does anyone know the command for a silent installation of NVDA please?

 



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Re: NVDA and Ivona from nextup.com

Quentin Christensen
 

Ivona voices do work with NVDA.  I haven't used them myself, but I know we have users who do, and we had an issue with our beta for 2020.3 where we attempted to fix an issue with Ivona voices, which inadvertently broke other voices.  (I believe the issue is with say all not working correctly in some cases - https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10901)

Regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 12:54 AM Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:
if you bought them, you should be able to download them as many times as you need. Also, I don't think those voices are SAPI5. I think they only work in the text aloud program. I don't think they work with NVDA.



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locked Re: TOR Browser Accessibility with NVDA

 

Topic Locked.

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locked Re: TOR Browser Accessibility with NVDA

Carlos Medrano
 

Imo, it's probably easier to learn Linux from a command line perspective over a remote protocol like SSH through Windows, instead of installing Gnome and Orca. Linux is usable for blind people, but you have to get used to doing things like ctrl+alt+f3, blindly typing root and the password, and executing a command to force kill Xorg when Orca breaks the shell. It's also possible to have the best of both worlds with Windows as a VM, similar to my setup.

On 10/11/2020 9:29 PM, tim wrote:
Hmm, Sounds like college days to me. Learning the op, screen reader, and the software for 5 classes a week. Just think the fun hasn't stopped yet. you never stop learning with computers.

On 10/11/2020 8:36 PM, Ian Blackburn wrote:
Hi Linux can be used by totally blind people using Orca screen reader under gnome desktop. I have not been able to work out Linux though because there are no effective audio tutorials for Linux gnome desktop like ones for say JAWS for windows or ?NVDA training modules. The problem is the cognitive load for someone who has to work out how to use the operating system at the same time as learning how to use the screen reader. It is a bit of a chicken and egg thing. You can’t learn how to use the operating system without some basic knowledge of the screen reader.

A person needs step by step ways to manage files and look on the internet so they can read the help documents or play the podcasts they want to listen to in order to get more than the basics out of the computer. I did teach myself Mac OSX and although not an expert can use the Mac for various tasks.

Regards
Ian

On 12/10/2020 8:06 am, mk360 wrote:

What? If Linux exists? Microsoft Azure has many Linux systems, windows 10 has WSL to enshure Linux compatibility, Android is based in Linux, ant these are only a feu examples.

Ok, probably we never have Linux on the desktop, but many, too many systems are based in linux, If you connect to internet probably you are interacting with a Linux system.

Regards,,

mk.

El 11/10/2020 a las 19:16, Arlene escribió:

Hi Wolfwam, Does Linux still exist? I guess very few people use it? I’ve never heard of it until a friend of a friend tried to install it on her old computer.

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*From: *Wolf Berg via groups.io <mailto:ddf051.wolf=googlemail.com@groups.io>
*Sent: *October 11, 2020 3:03 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] TOR Browser Accessibility with NVDA

Hello,

i don't use tor browser in Windows, only in Linux. Maybe you can try to

use brave browser. It also contains a Tor browser.

Greetings,

Wolfram

Am 11.10.20 um 17:43 schrieb Carlos Medrano:

Hello All,
I am new here, so I apologize in advance if I am sending this to the
wrong place.
I am using Windows 10 2004 with NVDA 2020.2 and downloaded the
latest

stable version of the TOR browser at (https://www.torproject.org),
which is based on Mozilla Firefox 78.3.0ESR.
When navigating the part of the browser that normally has the web
content, NVDA just says "unknown." Has anybody had a similar
issue and

been able to solve it? If not I will file a bug with the TOR Browser
developers to look into it.
Many thanks,
Carlos







Re: Portable Virtual Box

Carlos Medrano
 

Shaun,
Virtual Box is mostly accessible. There are a couple of places that NVDA won't read, such as the vm menu that appears when you do the host command to pull it up. Something else to note is that the UI is coded in QT, meaning that any quirks that QT-based programs have will also be present. A few areas in the settings dialog also are not properly read. For instance, the drop down that has the various categories sometimes reads the wrong item, instead of the one selected. It can also be painful to add things like new disk controllers as well for example. The good news is that anything doable with the UI should be doable with the command line.
Keep in mind that I haven't used Virtual Box in a couple of years, so many of these points may not be relevant with the latest version. I also have never used any portable version of Virtual Box, so I cannot speak to how well it performs.
Hope this helps.
-Carlos

On 10/11/2020 9:09 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

How accessible is virtualbox compaired to vmware workstation or its player.



Background:

In 2015 or there abouts after getting a new computer with the abilities to run hardware virtualisation, I got and downloaded what was supposed to be a reasonable accessible software package called vmware player and decided to buy vmware workstation pro 15.

Almost immediately I found a few issues.

Namely the non reading of edit fields in the program and the fact that there were some slowdowns.

Things were all right for what I was needing the software for but in 2020, I upgraded to the latest vmware 16.

Not only were my accessibility issues not fixed, but on reboot the windows keyboard refused to work till I ran a restore of windows.

I had previously installed enhanced keyboard and forgot to check it, which may have caused the issue but by then I wasn't that happy with the software interface.

Pluss on removing vmware software performance on my system went up.

As well as this I had forgotten my vmware account password and needed a captcha to get it and then I just couldn't be bothered anymore.

What is virtualbox like.

I am actually interested in portable virtual box because I can run it, its drivers and services when I want will run and it will go away when I am done, yet I can use it and it may just be the ticket to my fiddling.

Then again after the almost near fatal experience with the latest vmware on windows I am loathed to bother trying at all.

I don't have room for a dedicated system to run virtual anything and since I almost had to reformat due to no keyboard working in windows, and with my tinkering with virtual machines really just that, I seriously don't want to go through that again.

If its possible I therefore want something that will run from anywhere, and then when I don't need it go away leaving windows in tact.

Is it worth to try again, it looks like I may get a better ride with keyboard shortcuts and can customise them which will be really cool.

But is it worth it and will it be better than vmware or should I simply get out of virtual machines alltogether.

On that note, is the hypervisor hyper v system in windows worth my time.

It comes with the os so I hope it will not destroy windows if I make a mistake.







locked Re: TOR Browser Accessibility with NVDA

tim
 

Hmm, Sounds like college days to me. Learning the op, screen reader, and the software for 5 classes a week. Just think the fun hasn't stopped yet. you never stop learning with computers.

On 10/11/2020 8:36 PM, Ian Blackburn wrote:
Hi Linux can be used by totally blind people using Orca screen reader under gnome desktop. I have not been able to work out Linux though because there are no effective audio tutorials for Linux gnome desktop like ones for say JAWS for windows or ?NVDA training modules. The problem is the cognitive load for someone who has to work out how to use the operating system at the same time as learning how to use the screen reader. It is a bit of a chicken and egg thing. You can’t learn how to use the operating system without some basic knowledge of the screen reader.
A person needs step by step ways to manage files and look on the internet so they can read the help documents or play the podcasts they want to listen to in order to get more than the basics out of the computer. I did teach myself Mac OSX and although not an expert can use the Mac for various tasks.
Regards
Ian
On 12/10/2020 8:06 am, mk360 wrote:

What? If Linux exists? Microsoft Azure has many Linux systems, windows 10 has WSL to enshure Linux compatibility, Android is based in Linux, ant these are only a feu examples.

Ok, probably we never have Linux on the desktop, but many, too many systems are based in linux, If you connect to internet probably you are interacting with a Linux system.

Regards,,

mk.

El 11/10/2020 a las 19:16, Arlene escribió:

Hi Wolfwam, Does Linux still exist? I guess very few people use it? I’ve never heard of it until a friend of a friend tried to install it on her old computer.

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*From: *Wolf Berg via groups.io <mailto:ddf051.wolf=googlemail.com@groups.io>
*Sent: *October 11, 2020 3:03 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] TOR Browser Accessibility with NVDA

Hello,

i don't use tor browser in Windows, only in Linux. Maybe you can try to

use brave browser. It also contains a Tor browser.

Greetings,

Wolfram

Am 11.10.20 um 17:43 schrieb Carlos Medrano:

Hello All,
I am new here, so I apologize in advance if I am sending this to the
wrong place.
I am using Windows 10 2004 with NVDA 2020.2 and downloaded the latest
stable version of the TOR browser at (https://www.torproject.org),
which is based on Mozilla Firefox 78.3.0ESR.
When navigating the part of the browser that normally has the web
content, NVDA just says "unknown." Has anybody had a similar issue and
been able to solve it? If not I will file a bug with the TOR Browser
developers to look into it.
Many thanks,
Carlos


Portable Virtual Box

 

Hi.

How accessible is virtualbox compaired to vmware workstation or its player.



Background:

In 2015 or there abouts after getting a new computer with the abilities to run hardware virtualisation, I got and downloaded what was supposed to be a reasonable accessible software package called vmware player and decided to buy vmware workstation pro 15.

Almost immediately I found a few issues.

Namely the non reading of edit fields in the program and the fact that there were some slowdowns.

Things were all right for what I was needing the software for but in 2020, I upgraded to the latest vmware 16.

Not only were my accessibility issues not fixed, but on reboot the windows keyboard refused to work till I ran a restore of windows.

I had previously installed enhanced keyboard and forgot to check it, which may have caused the issue but by then I wasn't that happy with the software interface.

Pluss on removing vmware software performance on my system went up.

As well as this I had forgotten my vmware account password and needed a captcha to get it and then I just couldn't be bothered anymore.

What is virtualbox like.

I am actually interested in portable virtual box because I can run it, its drivers and services when I want will run and it will go away when I am done, yet I can use it and it may just be the ticket to my fiddling.

Then again after the almost near fatal experience with the latest vmware on windows I am loathed to bother trying at all.

I don't have room for a dedicated system to run virtual anything and since I almost had to reformat due to no keyboard working in windows, and with my tinkering with virtual machines really just that, I seriously don't want to go through that again.

If its possible I therefore want something that will run from anywhere, and then when I don't need it go away leaving windows in tact.

Is it worth to try again, it looks like I may get a better ride with keyboard shortcuts and can customise them which will be really cool.

But is it worth it and will it be better than vmware or should I simply get out of virtual machines alltogether.

On that note, is the hypervisor hyper v system in windows worth my time.

It comes with the os so I hope it will not destroy windows if I make a mistake.


locked Re: TOR Browser Accessibility with NVDA

 

Gentlemen,

          Linux has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with NVDA.  NVDA does not exist in a version that runs under that operating system.

          Linux is a major player in data centers, yet, after decades of everyone saying that Linux for home users/small business users is inevitable, it hasn't been.

          So, bring this back in to some relationship with NVDA as the topic originally had, or it will be locked shortly.  If you want to discuss Linux, the Chat Subgroup or elsewhere is the place for that, NOT here.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


locked Re: TOR Browser Accessibility with NVDA

 

Hi ian.

I have twiddled round with linux a little but know little in commands.

Right now, we are limited to a certain amount of desktops.

xfce, lxde and lxqt are usable but I have never got them to work.

I almost got ciniman to work but not properly.

Unity does work as does gnome 2 classic and gnome shell.

The biggest issue right now is that anything above gnome2 is a no go.

Its not helped that some in the community are no goes for support and don't want even suggestions.

There are a lot of devs that don't want help because they know best so it never improves.

For myself, having used vmware machines, while I was able to blunder about, because of what I do generally and because of what I own, I can't see myself ever switching to linux full time, unless I get a bigger desk or bigger room to run a dedicated box with linux.

Now I do have 1 such box that has win7 on it right now and could be used.

Sadly I'd need to either use dvds or cds with it and I can't justify leaving it active all the time and in position.

Since vmware workstation 16 completely stuffed up windows keyboard on install requiring a system restore and almost a complete reformat and since to be honest I only blundered about the last year I have decided not only to not renew my vmware licence but to go back on using vmware at all on my primary system.

To top it all off, with it gone performance has gone up on the system and so I will not put it back on.

Maybe after my next reformat I may reconcidder it but who am I kidding here.

I have blundered about in all there is to see as a demo.

Back in university I doodled with linux but never really got into it as an actual os only as a toy.

I think if I try again, I will be using a real pc or a pi and if I do that I need to pick and stick with 1 distribution.

If I have to choose after a lot of fiddling, mint will probably be it though I like the arch/mandriva concept of roling release.

I technically do have room for a desktop and I guess I could run linux on this but I probably won't.

After vmware doing what it did to my system I have gone off the idea of trying to fiddle with virtual machine software.

I'd like to try virtual box or maybe a portable virtual machine software which does not interact with and potentially mess up windows on my primary system like vmware did.

I may have not installed or updated an enhanced keyboard driver but its a checkbox I didn't click and it made all the difference.

Even though my system supports it the amount of performance I got back from removing it has convinced me otherwise.

At any rate I don't have the room on my data drives to run a virtual so I'd need a dedicated customised system with the right software.

Either that or a way to multiboot a system with multiple drives to handle things.




On 12/10/2020 1:36 pm, Ian Blackburn wrote:

Hi Linux can be used by totally blind people using Orca screen reader under gnome desktop. I have not been able to work out Linux though because there are no effective audio tutorials for Linux gnome desktop like ones for say JAWS for windows or ?NVDA training modules. The problem is the cognitive load for someone who has to work out how to use the operating system at the same time as learning how to use the screen reader. It is a bit of a chicken and egg thing. You can’t learn how to use the operating system without some basic knowledge of the screen reader.

A person needs step by step ways to manage files and look on the internet so they can read the help documents or play the podcasts they want to listen to in order to get more than the basics out of the computer. I did teach myself Mac OSX and although not an expert can use the Mac for various tasks.

Regards
Ian

On 12/10/2020 8:06 am, mk360 wrote:

What? If Linux exists? Microsoft Azure has many Linux systems, windows 10 has WSL to enshure Linux compatibility, Android is based in Linux, ant these are only a feu examples.

Ok, probably we never have Linux on the desktop, but many, too many systems are based in linux, If you connect to internet probably you are interacting with a Linux system.

Regards,,

mk.

El 11/10/2020 a las 19:16, Arlene escribió:

Hi Wolfwam, Does Linux still exist? I guess very few people use it?  I’ve never heard of it until a friend of a friend tried to install it on her old computer.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Wolf Berg via groups.io
Sent: October 11, 2020 3:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] TOR Browser Accessibility with NVDA

 

Hello,

i don't use tor browser in Windows, only in Linux. Maybe you can try to

use brave browser. It also contains a Tor browser.

Greetings,

Wolfram

 

Am 11.10.20 um 17:43 schrieb Carlos Medrano:

> Hello All,

> I am new here, so I apologize in advance if I am sending this to the

> wrong place.

> I am using Windows 10 2004 with NVDA 2020.2 and downloaded the latest

> stable version of the TOR browser at (https://www.torproject.org),

> which is based on Mozilla Firefox 78.3.0ESR.

> When navigating the part of the browser that normally has the web

> content, NVDA just says "unknown." Has anybody had a similar issue and

> been able to solve it? If not I will file a bug with the TOR Browser

> developers to look into it.

> Many thanks,

> Carlos

>

 

 

 

 

 

 


locked Re: TOR Browser Accessibility with NVDA

 

Thats actually true.

For a while xbox existed with linux, I am not sure what apple macs are in but macos some of the structures used are linux like.

Now I do wander if microsoft would just drop the windows kernal and just use linux, and then sell out the win9x xp and 7/10 shells that could be a change.

I mean use linux but be able to run windows programs, without wine or anything like that.

Right now there is a not more accessible in windows than linux but who knows.

I do think that a lot of companies including microsoft are waking up to the fact that linux is probably going to take them over at some point.



On 12/10/2020 1:06 pm, mk360 wrote:

What? If Linux exists? Microsoft Azure has many Linux systems, windows 10 has WSL to enshure Linux compatibility, Android is based in Linux, ant these are only a feu examples.

Ok, probably we never have Linux on the desktop, but many, too many systems are based in linux, If you connect to internet probably you are interacting with a Linux system.

Regards,,

mk.

El 11/10/2020 a las 19:16, Arlene escribió:

Hi Wolfwam, Does Linux still exist? I guess very few people use it?  I’ve never heard of it until a friend of a friend tried to install it on her old computer.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Wolf Berg via groups.io
Sent: October 11, 2020 3:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] TOR Browser Accessibility with NVDA

 

Hello,

i don't use tor browser in Windows, only in Linux. Maybe you can try to

use brave browser. It also contains a Tor browser.

Greetings,

Wolfram

 

Am 11.10.20 um 17:43 schrieb Carlos Medrano:

> Hello All,

> I am new here, so I apologize in advance if I am sending this to the

> wrong place.

> I am using Windows 10 2004 with NVDA 2020.2 and downloaded the latest

> stable version of the TOR browser at (https://www.torproject.org),

> which is based on Mozilla Firefox 78.3.0ESR.

> When navigating the part of the browser that normally has the web

> content, NVDA just says "unknown." Has anybody had a similar issue and

> been able to solve it? If not I will file a bug with the TOR Browser

> developers to look into it.

> Many thanks,

> Carlos

>

 

 

 

 

 

 


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