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Re: How do people deal with websites that have a lot of images and graphics, which cause the screen reader to slow down

 

for myself,
i disabled images in firefox about:config settings.
and i disable javascript most of times.
also, if they dont work,
i copy the web page in notepad++ and read it in notepad++

On 9/6/21, Khalid Anwar <anwarkhalid850@...> wrote:
I was wondering how people do on webpages which  have a lot of images and
graphics, myself i fine them quite difficult to navigate because I always
find that NVDA slows down significantly, although interestingly I don’t seem
to have the same problem with narrator.
I was wondering what might be the best way to deal with these, is there any
way to get NVDA to skip over graphics and images completely just ignore
them?





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Re: Is there a way to assign numbers to open tabs, and then jump to a tab by pressing its corresponding number

Gene
 

This is a browser function.  If you use commands such as control 1, control 2, etc. you can jump from tab to tab.  You can use up to and including number 8 in this way.  As I understand this, control 9 moves you to the last tab on the right, no matter how many you have opened.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2021 7:23 AM
Subject: [nvda] Is there a way to assign numbers to open tabs, and then jump to a tab by pressing its corresponding number
 
Good morning,
 
I was wondering if there is any way in NVDA to assign numbers to open tabs, and then jump to the tab by pressing its corresponding number, perhaps with a modifier key as well.
currently I do find it quite difficult to navigate between many open tabs by pressing alt and tab, is there perhaps an add-on or something in development that could help me with this?


How do people deal with websites that have a lot of images and graphics, which cause the screen reader to slow down

Khalid Anwar
 

I was wondering how people do on webpages which  have a lot of images and graphics, myself i fine them quite difficult to navigate because I always find that NVDA slows down significantly, although interestingly I don’t seem to have the same problem with narrator.
I was wondering what might be the best way to deal with these, is there any way to get NVDA to skip over graphics and images completely just ignore them?


Is there a way to assign numbers to open tabs, and then jump to a tab by pressing its corresponding number

Khalid Anwar
 

Good morning,
 
I was wondering if there is any way in NVDA to assign numbers to open tabs, and then jump to the tab by pressing its corresponding number, perhaps with a modifier key as well.
currently I do find it quite difficult to navigate between many open tabs by pressing alt and tab, is there perhaps an add-on or something in development that could help me with this?


Re: jaws cursor in nvda

Gene
 

I may add that.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2021 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] jaws cursor in nvda
 
Gene, in addition, you might include that, using the numpad in "desktop
keyboared--and maybe more) pressing the read key (line, word, charactor)
one more time will spell the entire target phonetically using (I hope)
international phoenetics).
Howard

On 9/5/2021 9:30 AM, dennis huckle wrote:
>
> Many thanks Jean,
>
> Exactly what I wanted.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Dennis huckle.
>
> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene
> *Sent:* 05 September 2021 14:50
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] jaws cursor in nvda
>
> You ask for a command to review the whole screen like the JAWS
> cursor.  Your question is not clear.  It could mean a command like
> control b that reads the window you are in in JAWS but that is not
> like the JAWS cursor.  it simply recites everything on the screen. It
> appears to me that you mean, is there a command to turn on something
> like the JAWS cursor in NVDA.
>
> I wrote the following recently to discuss this question and I’m
> reproducing it here.
>
> For screen review,, which I’ll discuss here, the thing to know is that
> it is similar to the JAWS cursor, but the movement keys are different.
>
> To enter screen review, and these commands are for the default desktop
> layout, Use the command num;pad insert numpad 7.  At times, there is a
> review mode called document review that is available.  It may be
> available if you are working in a Word processor.  I’m not sure if it
> is ever available otherwise.  If you issue numpad insert numpad f7,
> you will hear announced what mode you are in.  If you are now in
> screen review mode, you will hear screen review announced.  If you try
> to move further, you will hear no next review mode. You usually want
> to be in object review and you should return to it after you work in
> screen review.  The command to do so is numpad insert numpad 1.  You
> will hear object review announced. If you try to move further, you
> will hear no previous review mode.  If document review is available,
> you will hear that as one of the options as you move.  For example, if
> you are in object review mode and you use numpad f7, you will hear
> document review.  Using the command again, you will hear screen
> review.  Moving back, numpad insert numpad 1, you will hear the
> document review, then object review.
>
> You can play with document review.  I have hardly used it.  It limits
> your movement to the document window, so you won’t be in any part of
> the screen other than that at the top or bottom of the screen.
>
> The movement commands in screen review are as follows:
>
> Numpad 7.  move back one line.
>
> Numpad 8, read current line.
>
> Numpad 9, move down one line.
>
> Numpad 4, move back one word.
>
> Numpad 5, read current word.
>
> Numpad 6, move forward one word.
>
> Numpad 1, move back one carachter.
>
> Numpad 2, read current character.
>
> Numpad 3, move forward one carachter.
>
> For numppad 8, 5, and 2, if you press numpad 8 and 5 twice quickly,
> they spell what they announce.  In other words, numpad 8 twice spells
> the current line, numpad 5 spells the current word.  If you press
> these keys three times quickly, they say what they announce
> phonetically, such as foxtrot alpha, etc.
>
> Since numpad 1 announces the current carachter, pressing it twice
> announces it phonetically.  Obviously, no spell announcement is
> necessary because it is already announcing one single carachter.
>
> To move to the top of the screen, use numpad shift 7.
>
> To move to the bottom, numpad shift 9.
>
> Gene
>
> *From:*dennis huckle <mailto:denniswhuckle@...>
>
> *Sent:*Sunday, September 05, 2021 5:27 AM
>
> *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>
> *Subject:*[nvda] jaws cursor in nvda
>
> Hello all,
>
> Is there a keystroke in nvda to review the whole screen rather like
> the jaws cursor?.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Dennis huckle.
>
>






Re: NVDA on Synchrony Bank site, unusable on login with chrome

Gene
 

I wonder what the list is between the username and password.  If you move using browse mode, I don’t remember if it stops
on the list. 
 
I have no idea why you can use the page in browse mode.
 
Gene
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2021 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA on Synchrony Bank site, unusable on login with chrome
 
Hi Gene,

What is interesting is that on the main Symphany bank site where I exercise options for my Amazon Store card, I do not have this problem. It only occurs on this health care affiliate site.


On 9/5/2021 12:51 AM, Gene wrote:
I’m not sure  why that is.  I had to tab many times to get to the fields but I got there. 
 
What browser were you using?
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2021 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA on Synchrony Bank site, unusable on login with chrome
 
Hi Gene,

I tried your method with NVDA 2021.1 and Windows 10 with all updates and I could not find the edit field--unlabeled or otherwise.


On 9/5/2021 12:18 AM, Gene wrote:
I experimented and looked at the page and I found that if you turn browse mode off, NVDA key space, you can tab to the fields.  They won’t be announced but using object navigation I found that the first is the username and the second is the password.  After that you get to list one of three.  I don’t know what these items are for.  You can’t see any indication of what the list selects.  You can try logging in without working with the list and see what happens.  If you tab further you will find a login button.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2021 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA on Synchrony Bank site, unusable on login with chrome
 
Hello,

Ok, gone through the suggestions so far, and tried firefox with NVDA.
I'm not getting anywhere. Here's the direct URL:

https://www.carecredit.com/login/

I'm stuck at the login iframe part and I hit enter or space on it and
the first thing it says is asks me for cookie permissions I except
all, I don't usually like doing this but I do. I then try to find an
edit field for a username and/or password nothing. All I see is the
login iframe, a collapsed menu and something that says sydney virtual
assistant.

Help appreciated.
Thanks.
Dave.


On 9/4/21, Nimer Jaber mailto:nimerjaber1@... wrote:
> I must have missed it. What is the error message? I log into a synchrony
> site with Chrome, though not the one referenced, and have no trouble.
>
> On Sat, Sep 4, 2021, 06:08 Don H mailto:lmddh50@... wrote:
>
>> The error message comes up after you input your user name and password.
>>
>> On 9/4/2021 12:54 AM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I really don't understand what the issue being raised here is. I am
>> > able
>> > to log into the synchrony sites with Chrome, and, while I don't have a
>> > username/password to the specific one linked, I don't see why I
>> > wouldn't
>> > be able to log in, as visiting the site yielded a form with username
>> > and
>> > password.
>> >
>> > Before we continue this discussion, I think we need to know what the
>> > issues are.
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 10:51 PM Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...
>> > mailto:sm.everiss@...> wrote:
>> >
>> >     To be honest I have had issues with chrome in rendering some stuff
>> to.
>> >
>> >     Some things are a bit harder to get to.
>> >
>> >     On a site 1,608 dollars looks like.
>> >
>> >     160008000 or some such.
>> >
>> >     Sites like my computer store pbtech will not only do this but
>> >     clicking clickables that bring up a menu will cause it to come up
>> >     but not display right.
>> >
>> >     Using something like privacy badger to unblock a mislabeled site, I
>> >     can't get to the right spot to click the button for the right
>> > thing,
>> >     its like that menu is missing and I have to muck about to find it.
>> >
>> >     In edge its fine.
>> >
>> >     In firefox some stuff works a lot better than chrome which I am
>> >     unsure why that exactly is.
>> >
>> >     All I know is that chrome while it is accessible isn't a complete
>> >     success for everything.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >     On 4/09/2021 1:10 pm, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>> >>
>> >>     If you read his messages,  it says  it works in the Firefox
>> >>     browser but not in any chrome browsers
>> >>
>> >>     *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> >>     mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io *On Behalf Of
>> *Gene
>> >>     *Sent:* Friday, September 3, 2021 5:42 PM
>> >>     *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> >>     *Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA on Synchrony Bank site, unusable on
>> >>     login with chrome
>> >>
>> >>     You said neither one works with a Chrome-based browser.  Is that
>> >>     because you haven’t tried it in a browser like Firefox or because
>> >>     they work in a nonChrome-based browser you have tried?
>> >>
>> >>     Gene
>> >>
>> >>     -----Original Message-----
>> >>
>> >>     *From:*Don H mailto:lmddh50@...
>> >>
>> >>     *Sent:*Friday, September 03, 2021 7:39 PM
>> >>
>> >>     *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> >>
>> >>     *Subject:*Re: [nvda] NVDA on Synchrony Bank site, unusable on
>> >>     login with chrome
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>     Synchrony Bank  has several web pages for different credit cards
>> they
>> >>     have.  I have both a Lowes and Sams Club credit card that they
>> >>     service
>> >>     and neither work with a Chrome based browser when using the latest
>> >>     released version of Windows 10. The only way you can see the
>> >>     problem is
>> >>     if you have a user name and password but here it is
>> >>     https://samsclub.syf.com/login/ <https://samsclub.syf.com/login/>
>> >>
>> >>     On 9/3/2021 6:55 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>> >>     > So what's the website so one of us can try it?
>> >>     >
>> >>     > -----Original Message-----
>> >>     > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> >>     mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of
>> Don H
>> >>     > Sent: Friday, September 3, 2021 2:08 PM
>> >>     > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> >>     > Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA on Synchrony Bank site, unusable on
>> >>     login with chrome
>> >>     >
>> >>     > I am finding for the past several weeks that you can not log in
>> >>     on this banks web site with Microsoft Edge or Google Chrome.  I
>> >>     talked with their support department and they said they would
>> >>     check into the issue.
>> >>     >    As I said that has been several weeks and it still doesn't
>> >>     work with these two Chrome based browsers.  I am able to complete
>> >>     a log in using the latest Firefox browser.
>> >>     >
>> >>     > On 9/3/2021 2:31 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>> >>     >> Have you tried with narrator to see if it is the website or
>> >>     screen reader having this issue? Also what's the website so one of
>> >>     us can try and make it work?
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >> -----Original Message-----
>> >>     >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> >>     mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of
>> David
>> >>     >> Mehler
>> >>     >> Sent: Friday, September 3, 2021 11:29 AM
>> >>     >> To: nvda mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> >>     >> Subject: [nvda] NVDA on Synchrony Bank site, unusable on login
>> with
>> >>     >> chrome
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >> Hello,
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >> I've got a care credit card through Synchrony Bank but there
>> >>     web site portal is awful, using NVDA I can't get it to log i n,
>> >>     fields on the login form won't read, and that's when I can get
>> >>     this login iframe access thing to work, which is a collapsable
>> >>     link, when I can get it to expand it's hit or miss as to whether I
>> >>     can find anything.
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >> I've got to pay a bill and it's time sensitive, does anyone
>> >>     have workarounds for this? I've also tried with Internet Explorer
>> >>     and with Brave.
>> >>     >> Some urgency!
>> >>     >> Thanks.
>> >>     >> Dave.
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Nimer Jaber
>> >
>> > Registered Linux User 529141.
>> > http://counter.li.org/ <http://counter.li.org/>
>> >
>> > To find out about a free, open-source, and versatile screen reader for
>> > Windows, visit nvaccess.org <http://www.nvda-project.org>
>> >
>> > You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.
>> >
>> > Thank you, and have a great day!
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>





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Re: NVDA on Synchrony Bank site, unusable on login with chrome

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Gene,

What is interesting is that on the main Symphany bank site where I exercise options for my Amazon Store card, I do not have this problem. It only occurs on this health care affiliate site.


On 9/5/2021 12:51 AM, Gene wrote:
I’m not sure  why that is.  I had to tab many times to get to the fields but I got there. 
 
What browser were you using?
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2021 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA on Synchrony Bank site, unusable on login with chrome
 
Hi Gene,

I tried your method with NVDA 2021.1 and Windows 10 with all updates and I could not find the edit field--unlabeled or otherwise.


On 9/5/2021 12:18 AM, Gene wrote:
I experimented and looked at the page and I found that if you turn browse mode off, NVDA key space, you can tab to the fields.  They won’t be announced but using object navigation I found that the first is the username and the second is the password.  After that you get to list one of three.  I don’t know what these items are for.  You can’t see any indication of what the list selects.  You can try logging in without working with the list and see what happens.  If you tab further you will find a login button.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2021 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA on Synchrony Bank site, unusable on login with chrome
 
Hello,

Ok, gone through the suggestions so far, and tried firefox with NVDA.
I'm not getting anywhere. Here's the direct URL:

https://www.carecredit.com/login/

I'm stuck at the login iframe part and I hit enter or space on it and
the first thing it says is asks me for cookie permissions I except
all, I don't usually like doing this but I do. I then try to find an
edit field for a username and/or password nothing. All I see is the
login iframe, a collapsed menu and something that says sydney virtual
assistant.

Help appreciated.
Thanks.
Dave.


On 9/4/21, Nimer Jaber mailto:nimerjaber1@... wrote:
> I must have missed it. What is the error message? I log into a synchrony
> site with Chrome, though not the one referenced, and have no trouble.
>
> On Sat, Sep 4, 2021, 06:08 Don H mailto:lmddh50@... wrote:
>
>> The error message comes up after you input your user name and password.
>>
>> On 9/4/2021 12:54 AM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I really don't understand what the issue being raised here is. I am
>> > able
>> > to log into the synchrony sites with Chrome, and, while I don't have a
>> > username/password to the specific one linked, I don't see why I
>> > wouldn't
>> > be able to log in, as visiting the site yielded a form with username
>> > and
>> > password.
>> >
>> > Before we continue this discussion, I think we need to know what the
>> > issues are.
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 10:51 PM Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...
>> > mailto:sm.everiss@...> wrote:
>> >
>> >     To be honest I have had issues with chrome in rendering some stuff
>> to.
>> >
>> >     Some things are a bit harder to get to.
>> >
>> >     On a site 1,608 dollars looks like.
>> >
>> >     160008000 or some such.
>> >
>> >     Sites like my computer store pbtech will not only do this but
>> >     clicking clickables that bring up a menu will cause it to come up
>> >     but not display right.
>> >
>> >     Using something like privacy badger to unblock a mislabeled site, I
>> >     can't get to the right spot to click the button for the right
>> > thing,
>> >     its like that menu is missing and I have to muck about to find it.
>> >
>> >     In edge its fine.
>> >
>> >     In firefox some stuff works a lot better than chrome which I am
>> >     unsure why that exactly is.
>> >
>> >     All I know is that chrome while it is accessible isn't a complete
>> >     success for everything.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >     On 4/09/2021 1:10 pm, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>> >>
>> >>     If you read his messages,  it says  it works in the Firefox
>> >>     browser but not in any chrome browsers
>> >>
>> >>     *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> >>     mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io *On Behalf Of
>> *Gene
>> >>     *Sent:* Friday, September 3, 2021 5:42 PM
>> >>     *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> >>     *Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA on Synchrony Bank site, unusable on
>> >>     login with chrome
>> >>
>> >>     You said neither one works with a Chrome-based browser.  Is that
>> >>     because you haven’t tried it in a browser like Firefox or because
>> >>     they work in a nonChrome-based browser you have tried?
>> >>
>> >>     Gene
>> >>
>> >>     -----Original Message-----
>> >>
>> >>     *From:*Don H mailto:lmddh50@...
>> >>
>> >>     *Sent:*Friday, September 03, 2021 7:39 PM
>> >>
>> >>     *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> >>
>> >>     *Subject:*Re: [nvda] NVDA on Synchrony Bank site, unusable on
>> >>     login with chrome
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>     Synchrony Bank  has several web pages for different credit cards
>> they
>> >>     have.  I have both a Lowes and Sams Club credit card that they
>> >>     service
>> >>     and neither work with a Chrome based browser when using the latest
>> >>     released version of Windows 10. The only way you can see the
>> >>     problem is
>> >>     if you have a user name and password but here it is
>> >>     https://samsclub.syf.com/login/ <https://samsclub.syf.com/login/>
>> >>
>> >>     On 9/3/2021 6:55 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>> >>     > So what's the website so one of us can try it?
>> >>     >
>> >>     > -----Original Message-----
>> >>     > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> >>     mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of
>> Don H
>> >>     > Sent: Friday, September 3, 2021 2:08 PM
>> >>     > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> >>     > Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA on Synchrony Bank site, unusable on
>> >>     login with chrome
>> >>     >
>> >>     > I am finding for the past several weeks that you can not log in
>> >>     on this banks web site with Microsoft Edge or Google Chrome.  I
>> >>     talked with their support department and they said they would
>> >>     check into the issue.
>> >>     >    As I said that has been several weeks and it still doesn't
>> >>     work with these two Chrome based browsers.  I am able to complete
>> >>     a log in using the latest Firefox browser.
>> >>     >
>> >>     > On 9/3/2021 2:31 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>> >>     >> Have you tried with narrator to see if it is the website or
>> >>     screen reader having this issue? Also what's the website so one of
>> >>     us can try and make it work?
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >> -----Original Message-----
>> >>     >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> >>     mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of
>> David
>> >>     >> Mehler
>> >>     >> Sent: Friday, September 3, 2021 11:29 AM
>> >>     >> To: nvda mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> >>     >> Subject: [nvda] NVDA on Synchrony Bank site, unusable on login
>> with
>> >>     >> chrome
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >> Hello,
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >> I've got a care credit card through Synchrony Bank but there
>> >>     web site portal is awful, using NVDA I can't get it to log i n,
>> >>     fields on the login form won't read, and that's when I can get
>> >>     this login iframe access thing to work, which is a collapsable
>> >>     link, when I can get it to expand it's hit or miss as to whether I
>> >>     can find anything.
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >> I've got to pay a bill and it's time sensitive, does anyone
>> >>     have workarounds for this? I've also tried with Internet Explorer
>> >>     and with Brave.
>> >>     >> Some urgency!
>> >>     >> Thanks.
>> >>     >> Dave.
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Nimer Jaber
>> >
>> > Registered Linux User 529141.
>> > http://counter.li.org/ <http://counter.li.org/>
>> >
>> > To find out about a free, open-source, and versatile screen reader for
>> > Windows, visit nvaccess.org <http://www.nvda-project.org>
>> >
>> > You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.
>> >
>> > Thank you, and have a great day!
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: NVDA on Synchrony Bank site, unusable on login with chrome

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Gene,

I tried this with Firefox and Edge latest versions.


On 9/5/2021 12:51 AM, Gene wrote:
I’m not sure  why that is.  I had to tab many times to get to the fields but I got there. 
 
What browser were you using?
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2021 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA on Synchrony Bank site, unusable on login with chrome
 
Hi Gene,

I tried your method with NVDA 2021.1 and Windows 10 with all updates and I could not find the edit field--unlabeled or otherwise.


On 9/5/2021 12:18 AM, Gene wrote:
I experimented and looked at the page and I found that if you turn browse mode off, NVDA key space, you can tab to the fields.  They won’t be announced but using object navigation I found that the first is the username and the second is the password.  After that you get to list one of three.  I don’t know what these items are for.  You can’t see any indication of what the list selects.  You can try logging in without working with the list and see what happens.  If you tab further you will find a login button.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2021 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA on Synchrony Bank site, unusable on login with chrome
 
Hello,

Ok, gone through the suggestions so far, and tried firefox with NVDA.
I'm not getting anywhere. Here's the direct URL:

https://www.carecredit.com/login/

I'm stuck at the login iframe part and I hit enter or space on it and
the first thing it says is asks me for cookie permissions I except
all, I don't usually like doing this but I do. I then try to find an
edit field for a username and/or password nothing. All I see is the
login iframe, a collapsed menu and something that says sydney virtual
assistant.

Help appreciated.
Thanks.
Dave.


On 9/4/21, Nimer Jaber mailto:nimerjaber1@... wrote:
> I must have missed it. What is the error message? I log into a synchrony
> site with Chrome, though not the one referenced, and have no trouble.
>
> On Sat, Sep 4, 2021, 06:08 Don H mailto:lmddh50@... wrote:
>
>> The error message comes up after you input your user name and password.
>>
>> On 9/4/2021 12:54 AM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I really don't understand what the issue being raised here is. I am
>> > able
>> > to log into the synchrony sites with Chrome, and, while I don't have a
>> > username/password to the specific one linked, I don't see why I
>> > wouldn't
>> > be able to log in, as visiting the site yielded a form with username
>> > and
>> > password.
>> >
>> > Before we continue this discussion, I think we need to know what the
>> > issues are.
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 10:51 PM Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...
>> > mailto:sm.everiss@...> wrote:
>> >
>> >     To be honest I have had issues with chrome in rendering some stuff
>> to.
>> >
>> >     Some things are a bit harder to get to.
>> >
>> >     On a site 1,608 dollars looks like.
>> >
>> >     160008000 or some such.
>> >
>> >     Sites like my computer store pbtech will not only do this but
>> >     clicking clickables that bring up a menu will cause it to come up
>> >     but not display right.
>> >
>> >     Using something like privacy badger to unblock a mislabeled site, I
>> >     can't get to the right spot to click the button for the right
>> > thing,
>> >     its like that menu is missing and I have to muck about to find it.
>> >
>> >     In edge its fine.
>> >
>> >     In firefox some stuff works a lot better than chrome which I am
>> >     unsure why that exactly is.
>> >
>> >     All I know is that chrome while it is accessible isn't a complete
>> >     success for everything.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >     On 4/09/2021 1:10 pm, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>> >>
>> >>     If you read his messages,  it says  it works in the Firefox
>> >>     browser but not in any chrome browsers
>> >>
>> >>     *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> >>     mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io *On Behalf Of
>> *Gene
>> >>     *Sent:* Friday, September 3, 2021 5:42 PM
>> >>     *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> >>     *Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA on Synchrony Bank site, unusable on
>> >>     login with chrome
>> >>
>> >>     You said neither one works with a Chrome-based browser.  Is that
>> >>     because you haven’t tried it in a browser like Firefox or because
>> >>     they work in a nonChrome-based browser you have tried?
>> >>
>> >>     Gene
>> >>
>> >>     -----Original Message-----
>> >>
>> >>     *From:*Don H mailto:lmddh50@...
>> >>
>> >>     *Sent:*Friday, September 03, 2021 7:39 PM
>> >>
>> >>     *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> >>
>> >>     *Subject:*Re: [nvda] NVDA on Synchrony Bank site, unusable on
>> >>     login with chrome
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>     Synchrony Bank  has several web pages for different credit cards
>> they
>> >>     have.  I have both a Lowes and Sams Club credit card that they
>> >>     service
>> >>     and neither work with a Chrome based browser when using the latest
>> >>     released version of Windows 10. The only way you can see the
>> >>     problem is
>> >>     if you have a user name and password but here it is
>> >>     https://samsclub.syf.com/login/ <https://samsclub.syf.com/login/>
>> >>
>> >>     On 9/3/2021 6:55 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>> >>     > So what's the website so one of us can try it?
>> >>     >
>> >>     > -----Original Message-----
>> >>     > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> >>     mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of
>> Don H
>> >>     > Sent: Friday, September 3, 2021 2:08 PM
>> >>     > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> >>     > Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA on Synchrony Bank site, unusable on
>> >>     login with chrome
>> >>     >
>> >>     > I am finding for the past several weeks that you can not log in
>> >>     on this banks web site with Microsoft Edge or Google Chrome.  I
>> >>     talked with their support department and they said they would
>> >>     check into the issue.
>> >>     >    As I said that has been several weeks and it still doesn't
>> >>     work with these two Chrome based browsers.  I am able to complete
>> >>     a log in using the latest Firefox browser.
>> >>     >
>> >>     > On 9/3/2021 2:31 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>> >>     >> Have you tried with narrator to see if it is the website or
>> >>     screen reader having this issue? Also what's the website so one of
>> >>     us can try and make it work?
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >> -----Original Message-----
>> >>     >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> >>     mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of
>> David
>> >>     >> Mehler
>> >>     >> Sent: Friday, September 3, 2021 11:29 AM
>> >>     >> To: nvda mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> >>     >> Subject: [nvda] NVDA on Synchrony Bank site, unusable on login
>> with
>> >>     >> chrome
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >> Hello,
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >> I've got a care credit card through Synchrony Bank but there
>> >>     web site portal is awful, using NVDA I can't get it to log i n,
>> >>     fields on the login form won't read, and that's when I can get
>> >>     this login iframe access thing to work, which is a collapsable
>> >>     link, when I can get it to expand it's hit or miss as to whether I
>> >>     can find anything.
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >> I've got to pay a bill and it's time sensitive, does anyone
>> >>     have workarounds for this? I've also tried with Internet Explorer
>> >>     and with Brave.
>> >>     >> Some urgency!
>> >>     >> Thanks.
>> >>     >> Dave.
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>     >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Nimer Jaber
>> >
>> > Registered Linux User 529141.
>> > http://counter.li.org/ <http://counter.li.org/>
>> >
>> > To find out about a free, open-source, and versatile screen reader for
>> > Windows, visit nvaccess.org <http://www.nvda-project.org>
>> >
>> > You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.
>> >
>> > Thank you, and have a great day!
>> >
>>
>>
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Re: jaws cursor in nvda

Howard Traxler
 

Gene, in addition, you might include that, using the numpad in "desktop keyboared--and maybe more) pressing the read key (line, word, charactor) one more time will spell the entire target phonetically using (I hope) international phoenetics).
Howard

On 9/5/2021 9:30 AM, dennis huckle wrote:

Many thanks Jean,

Exactly what I wanted.

Kind regards,

Dennis huckle.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* 05 September 2021 14:50
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] jaws cursor in nvda

You ask for a command to review the whole screen like the JAWS cursor.  Your question is not clear.  It could mean a command like control b that reads the window you are in in JAWS but that is not like the JAWS cursor.  it simply recites everything on the screen. It appears to me that you mean, is there a command to turn on something like the JAWS cursor in NVDA.

I wrote the following recently to discuss this question and I’m reproducing it here.

For screen review,, which I’ll discuss here, the thing to know is that it is similar to the JAWS cursor, but the movement keys are different.

To enter screen review, and these commands are for the default desktop layout, Use the command num;pad insert numpad 7.  At times, there is a review mode called document review that is available.  It may be available if you are working in a Word processor.  I’m not sure if it is ever available otherwise.  If you issue numpad insert numpad f7, you will hear announced what mode you are in.  If you are now in screen review mode, you will hear screen review announced.  If you try to move further, you will hear no next review mode. You usually want to be in object review and you should return to it after you work in screen review.  The command to do so is numpad insert numpad 1.  You will hear object review announced. If you try to move further, you will hear no previous review mode.  If document review is available, you will hear that as one of the options as you move.  For example, if you are in object review mode and you use numpad f7, you will hear document review.  Using the command again, you will hear screen review.  Moving back, numpad insert numpad 1, you will hear the document review, then object review.

You can play with document review.  I have hardly used it.  It limits your movement to the document window, so you won’t be in any part of the screen other than that at the top or bottom of the screen.

The movement commands in screen review are as follows:

Numpad 7.  move back one line.

Numpad 8, read current line.

Numpad 9, move down one line.

Numpad 4, move back one word.

Numpad 5, read current word.

Numpad 6, move forward one word.

Numpad 1, move back one carachter.

Numpad 2, read current character.

Numpad 3, move forward one carachter.

For numppad 8, 5, and 2, if you press numpad 8 and 5 twice quickly, they spell what they announce.  In other words, numpad 8 twice spells the current line, numpad 5 spells the current word.  If you press these keys three times quickly, they say what they announce phonetically, such as foxtrot alpha, etc.

Since numpad 1 announces the current carachter, pressing it twice announces it phonetically.  Obviously, no spell announcement is necessary because it is already announcing one single carachter.

To move to the top of the screen, use numpad shift 7.

To move to the bottom, numpad shift 9.

Gene

*From:*dennis huckle <mailto:denniswhuckle@...>

*Sent:*Sunday, September 05, 2021 5:27 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*[nvda] jaws cursor in nvda

Hello all,

Is there a keystroke in nvda to review the whole screen rather like the jaws cursor?.

Kind regards,

Dennis huckle.


Re: NVDA focus question

Gene
 

Are you talking about on web pages specifically?  Some pages don’t line up properly between browse mode and forms mode.  The result is that on some web pages when you tab, you lose your place on the page.  If that happens, move in other ways, down arrow, k to move by link, b for button, in short, using the various navigation keys other than tab.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: JinYoun
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2021 11:32 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA focus question
 
Hi group, I just had a question about the NVDA focus.
I notice when NVDA reads something and I pause it where I want the focus to be or start pressing tab from the paused point to go to next link or something, the focus is  back in the top where I started and did not move with the speech. Is there a way to have the focus with the speech?
I have no idea what the different focus options are and have all of them enabled and was hoping someone could explain if there is a  way to do what I  would like to happen.
I hope I make sense.
Thank you very much 


NVDA focus question

JinYoun
 

Hi group, I just had a question about the NVDA focus.
I notice when NVDA reads something and I pause it where I want the focus to be or start pressing tab from the paused point to go to next link or something, the focus is  back in the top where I started and did not move with the speech. Is there a way to have the focus with the speech?
I have no idea what the different focus options are and have all of them enabled and was hoping someone could explain if there is a  way to do what I  would like to happen.
I hope I make sense.
Thank you very much 


Re: CaptchaSolver

 

big Thanks 

On Sun, Sep 5, 2021 at 9:18 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Sun, Sep 5, 2021 at 12:14 PM, ( NAJAF . Naqvi ) wrote:
nvda captcha solver addon giv me
-
They're all available via nvda-addons.org:

captchaSolver | NVDA Add-ons Directory

 
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Re: CaptchaSolver

 

On Sun, Sep 5, 2021 at 12:14 PM, ( NAJAF . Naqvi ) wrote:
nvda captcha solver addon giv me
-
They're all available via nvda-addons.org:

captchaSolver | NVDA Add-ons Directory

 
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Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

 


Re: CaptchaSolver

 

That add-on uses the paid service at rucaptcha.com, which is a Russia-based service.  The price appears to be quite cheap, whether for regular Captchas or the more complex modern ones.

There's really no way to know how well these services do, or do not, work without trying them.  As far as the NVDA Add-On, it appears to have been around for a while and is one of the "home grown" and not officially vetted add-ons.
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Re: CaptchaSolver

 

nvda captcha solver addon giv me 
please ....????/,,,

On Sun, Sep 5, 2021 at 6:55 AM Chris Smart <ve3rwj@...> wrote:
I'm interested in this as well. Just the other day I ran into a visual CAPTCHA with no audio alternative. What is this, 2005? 😁


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Martin Brown
Sent: September 5, 2021 4:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] CaptchaSolver

Is anyone using the NVDA addin CaptchaSolver? If so, how good is it. I assume it is a paid service. I have not found the web site very accessible using either NVDA or JAWS.
Thanks in advance for any responses.
Martin     













Re: jaws cursor in nvda

dennis huckle <denniswhuckle@...>
 

Many thanks Jean,

Exactly what I wanted.

Kind regards,

Dennis huckle.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 05 September 2021 14:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] jaws cursor in nvda

 

You ask for a command to review the whole screen like the JAWS cursor.  Your question is not clear.  It could mean a command like control b that reads the window you are in in JAWS but that is not like the JAWS cursor.  it simply recites everything on the screen.  It appears to me that you mean, is there a command to turn on something like the JAWS cursor in NVDA. 

 

I wrote the following recently to discuss this question and I’m reproducing it here.

 

For screen review,, which I’ll discuss here, the thing to know is that it is similar to the JAWS cursor, but the movement keys are different. 

 

To enter screen review, and these commands are for the default desktop layout, Use the command num;pad insert numpad 7.  At times, there is a review mode called document review that is available.  It may be available if you are working in a Word processor.  I’m not sure if it is ever available otherwise.  If you issue numpad insert numpad f7, you will hear announced what mode you are in.  If you are now in screen review mode, you will hear screen review announced.  If you try to move further, you will hear no next review mode.  You usually want to be in object review and you should return to it after you work in screen review.  The command to do so is numpad insert numpad 1.  You will hear object review announced.  If you try to move further, you will hear no previous review mode.  If document review is available, you will hear that as one of the options as you move.  For example, if you are in object review mode and you use numpad f7, you will hear document review.  Using the command again, you will hear screen review.  Moving back, numpad insert numpad 1, you will hear the document review, then object review.

 

You can play with document review.  I have hardly used it.  It limits your movement to the document window, so you won’t be in any part of the screen other than that at the top or bottom of the screen. 

 

The movement commands in screen review are as follows:

Numpad 7.  move back one line.

Numpad 8, read current line.

Numpad 9, move down one line.

Numpad 4, move back one word.

Numpad 5, read current word.

Numpad 6, move forward one word. 

Numpad 1, move back one carachter.

Numpad 2, read current character.

Numpad 3, move forward one carachter.

For numppad 8, 5, and 2, if you press numpad 8 and 5 twice quickly, they spell what they announce.  In other words, numpad 8 twice spells the current line, numpad 5 spells the current word.  If you press these keys three times quickly, they say what they announce phonetically, such as foxtrot alpha, etc.

Since numpad 1 announces the current carachter, pressing it twice announces it phonetically.  Obviously, no spell announcement is necessary because it is already announcing one single carachter.

 

To move to the top of the screen, use numpad shift 7. 

To move to the bottom, numpad shift 9. 

 

Gene

Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2021 5:27 AM

Subject: [nvda] jaws cursor in nvda

 

Hello all,

Is there a keystroke in nvda to review the whole screen rather like the jaws cursor?.

Kind regards,

Dennis huckle.

 


Re: CaptchaSolver

Chris Smart
 

I'm interested in this as well. Just the other day I ran into a visual CAPTCHA with no audio alternative. What is this, 2005? 😁

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Martin Brown
Sent: September 5, 2021 4:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] CaptchaSolver

Is anyone using the NVDA addin CaptchaSolver? If so, how good is it. I assume it is a paid service. I have not found the web site very accessible using either NVDA or JAWS.
Thanks in advance for any responses.
Martin


Re: jaws cursor in nvda

Gene
 

You ask for a command to review the whole screen like the JAWS cursor.  Your question is not clear.  It could mean a command like control b that reads the window you are in in JAWS but that is not like the JAWS cursor.  it simply recites everything on the screen.  It appears to me that you mean, is there a command to turn on something like the JAWS cursor in NVDA. 
 
I wrote the following recently to discuss this question and I’m reproducing it here.
 
For screen review,, which I’ll discuss here, the thing to know is that it is similar to the JAWS cursor, but the movement keys are different. 
 
To enter screen review, and these commands are for the default desktop layout, Use the command num;pad insert numpad 7.  At times, there is a review mode called document review that is available.  It may be available if you are working in a Word processor.  I’m not sure if it is ever available otherwise.  If you issue numpad insert numpad f7, you will hear announced what mode you are in.  If you are now in screen review mode, you will hear screen review announced.  If you try to move further, you will hear no next review mode.  You usually want to be in object review and you should return to it after you work in screen review.  The command to do so is numpad insert numpad 1.  You will hear object review announced.  If you try to move further, you will hear no previous review mode.  If document review is available, you will hear that as one of the options as you move.  For example, if you are in object review mode and you use numpad f7, you will hear document review.  Using the command again, you will hear screen review.  Moving back, numpad insert numpad 1, you will hear the document review, then object review.
 
You can play with document review.  I have hardly used it.  It limits your movement to the document window, so you won’t be in any part of the screen other than that at the top or bottom of the screen. 
 
The movement commands in screen review are as follows:
Numpad 7.  move back one line.
Numpad 8, read current line.
Numpad 9, move down one line.
Numpad 4, move back one word.
Numpad 5, read current word.
Numpad 6, move forward one word. 
Numpad 1, move back one carachter.
Numpad 2, read current character.
Numpad 3, move forward one carachter.
For numppad 8, 5, and 2, if you press numpad 8 and 5 twice quickly, they spell what they announce.  In other words, numpad 8 twice spells the current line, numpad 5 spells the current word.  If you press these keys three times quickly, they say what they announce phonetically, such as foxtrot alpha, etc.
Since numpad 1 announces the current carachter, pressing it twice announces it phonetically.  Obviously, no spell announcement is necessary because it is already announcing one single carachter.
 
To move to the top of the screen, use numpad shift 7. 
To move to the bottom, numpad shift 9. 
 
Gene
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2021 5:27 AM
Subject: [nvda] jaws cursor in nvda
 

Hello all,

Is there a keystroke in nvda to review the whole screen rather like the jaws cursor?.

Kind regards,

Dennis huckle.

 


Re: jaws cursor in nvda

Shaun Oliver
 

there's more than one.


first of all you have read all controls in the active window. NVDA+B, but, more importantly, you have your object navigation. Using the NVDA key along with the numpad, you can navigate the objects on the screen using numpad 2, numpad 4, numpad 6, and numpad 8. you can use numpad keys 1 and 7 to change between object navigation and screen review mode.


I hope that helps.

Shaun


On 5/09/2021 7:57 pm, dennis huckle rambled on about the following:

Hello all,

Is there a keystroke in nvda to review the whole screen rather like the jaws cursor?.

Kind regards,

Dennis huckle.

 


CaptchaSolver

Martin Brown
 

Is anyone using the NVDA addin CaptchaSolver? If so, how good is it. I
assume it is a paid service. I have not found the web site very accessible
using either NVDA or JAWS.
Thanks in advance for any responses.
Martin