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Re: NVDA says out of link in Outlook

Gene
 

I just checked this.  Even when using read to end, NVDA in Word says out of link every time a link is left.  I'll leave it to others to discuss this idea.  Should NVDA be scripted not to say out of link when in Outlook?

Gene

On 12/6/2022 6:37 AM, Cyrille via groups.io wrote:

Actually it does not behave the same way in all cases:

E.g.: to paste in Chrome address bar:
data:text/html,<p><a href="http://www.google.com">Google</a></p><p>is a link</p>

With this example, if you use up/down arrow, you do not hear "out-of-link" in Chrome.
Now, copy/paste the whole content of tthe webpage in Word; to keep formatting, do not use NVDA's select all and copy but native one. That is NVDA+F2, ctrl+A, NVDA+F2, ctrl+C and then paste in Word.
In Word, using up/down arrow, you will here "out of link".

I do not know if it is the same thing as Bob is experimenting; but it definitely demonstrates that the behaviour is different between Word and Chrome in some cases.

Cyrille


On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 01:06 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Actually, it does work the same way in Word and the web, it's just that it reports "out of link" when you navigate by character or word - which you are more likely to do in Word  It doesn't report out of link when you press down arrow or say all or jump to another element.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 9:51 PM Cyrille via groups.io <cyrille.bougot2=laposte.net@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Quentin

Your answer does not explain why the links are reported differently on a webpage than in an e-mail in Outlook (or a Word document). In other words, is this difference of behaviour intended or is it a bug? And if it is intended, what is the explanation?

Thanks.
Cheers,

Cyrille


On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 02:30 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
It is because Outlook treats email messages as Word documents - this is why links (and leaving links) are read as they would be in Word.  This is always why tables have traditionally been read like they have in Word rather than web tables.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 10:16 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Others may know of a setting, but I've never seen any that apply and I
don't think there is one.  You should be able to use the speech
dictionary to silence the phrase.

Gene

On 12/5/2022 5:13 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
> Hi all,
> Well, my massive email cleanout that has been a project since April
> 2020 generates another question, though I think the first to this
> list, or at least the first one in a while. As I read my messages,
> NVDA says "out of link" whenever it encounters text that isn't a link
> anymore in Outlook, but doesn't read this way when browsing the web.
> Is there a way to make NVDA read links the same way in Outlook as it
> does when browsing the web?
> Bob
>
>
>
>
>







 
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
 

 

 


 
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
 
Re: NVDA says out of link in Outlook

Cyrille
 

Actually it does not behave the same way in all cases:

E.g.: to paste in Chrome address bar:
data:text/html,<p><a href="http://www.google.com">Google</a></p><p>is a link</p>

With this example, if you use up/down arrow, you do not hear "out-of-link" in Chrome.
Now, copy/paste the whole content of tthe webpage in Word; to keep formatting, do not use NVDA's select all and copy but native one. That is NVDA+F2, ctrl+A, NVDA+F2, ctrl+C and then paste in Word.
In Word, using up/down arrow, you will here "out of link".

I do not know if it is the same thing as Bob is experimenting; but it definitely demonstrates that the behaviour is different between Word and Chrome in some cases.

Cyrille


On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 01:06 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Actually, it does work the same way in Word and the web, it's just that it reports "out of link" when you navigate by character or word - which you are more likely to do in Word  It doesn't report out of link when you press down arrow or say all or jump to another element.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 9:51 PM Cyrille via groups.io <cyrille.bougot2=laposte.net@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Quentin

Your answer does not explain why the links are reported differently on a webpage than in an e-mail in Outlook (or a Word document). In other words, is this difference of behaviour intended or is it a bug? And if it is intended, what is the explanation?

Thanks.
Cheers,

Cyrille


On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 02:30 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
It is because Outlook treats email messages as Word documents - this is why links (and leaving links) are read as they would be in Word.  This is always why tables have traditionally been read like they have in Word rather than web tables.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 10:16 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Others may know of a setting, but I've never seen any that apply and I
don't think there is one.  You should be able to use the speech
dictionary to silence the phrase.

Gene

On 12/5/2022 5:13 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
> Hi all,
> Well, my massive email cleanout that has been a project since April
> 2020 generates another question, though I think the first to this
> list, or at least the first one in a while. As I read my messages,
> NVDA says "out of link" whenever it encounters text that isn't a link
> anymore in Outlook, but doesn't read this way when browsing the web.
> Is there a way to make NVDA read links the same way in Outlook as it
> does when browsing the web?
> Bob
>
>
>
>
>







 
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
 

 

 


 
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
 
Re: NVDA says out of link in Outlook

Quentin Christensen
 

Actually, it does work the same way in Word and the web, it's just that it reports "out of link" when you navigate by character or word - which you are more likely to do in Word  It doesn't report out of link when you press down arrow or say all or jump to another element.


On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 9:51 PM Cyrille via groups.io <cyrille.bougot2=laposte.net@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Quentin

Your answer does not explain why the links are reported differently on a webpage than in an e-mail in Outlook (or a Word document). In other words, is this difference of behaviour intended or is it a bug? And if it is intended, what is the explanation?

Thanks.
Cheers,

Cyrille


On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 02:30 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
It is because Outlook treats email messages as Word documents - this is why links (and leaving links) are read as they would be in Word.  This is always why tables have traditionally been read like they have in Word rather than web tables.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 10:16 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Others may know of a setting, but I've never seen any that apply and I
don't think there is one.  You should be able to use the speech
dictionary to silence the phrase.

Gene

On 12/5/2022 5:13 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
> Hi all,
> Well, my massive email cleanout that has been a project since April
> 2020 generates another question, though I think the first to this
> list, or at least the first one in a while. As I read my messages,
> NVDA says "out of link" whenever it encounters text that isn't a link
> anymore in Outlook, but doesn't read this way when browsing the web.
> Is there a way to make NVDA read links the same way in Outlook as it
> does when browsing the web?
> Bob
>
>
>
>
>







 
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
 



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Re: Portable copy of NVDA not working

Gene
 

You can't uninstall a portable copy of a program.  That's the whole point of a portable program.  You can move it anywhere and run it from things like removable drives.  The files are on your machine and the program runs but nothing is changed or installed on the machie.  Delete the folder containing the program and it will be completely gone.

Gene

On 12/6/2022 1:50 AM, Akshaya Choudhary wrote:

One last thing. Since, I can remove my old portable copy now, should I uninstall it or just delete the entire folder?
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Re: NVDA says out of link in Outlook

Cyrille
 

Hi Quentin

Your answer does not explain why the links are reported differently on a webpage than in an e-mail in Outlook (or a Word document). In other words, is this difference of behaviour intended or is it a bug? And if it is intended, what is the explanation?

Thanks.
Cheers,

Cyrille


On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 02:30 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
It is because Outlook treats email messages as Word documents - this is why links (and leaving links) are read as they would be in Word.  This is always why tables have traditionally been read like they have in Word rather than web tables.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 10:16 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Others may know of a setting, but I've never seen any that apply and I
don't think there is one.  You should be able to use the speech
dictionary to silence the phrase.

Gene

On 12/5/2022 5:13 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
> Hi all,
> Well, my massive email cleanout that has been a project since April
> 2020 generates another question, though I think the first to this
> list, or at least the first one in a while. As I read my messages,
> NVDA says "out of link" whenever it encounters text that isn't a link
> anymore in Outlook, but doesn't read this way when browsing the web.
> Is there a way to make NVDA read links the same way in Outlook as it
> does when browsing the web?
> Bob
>
>
>
>
>







 
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
 
Re: Portable copy of NVDA not working

Luke Davis
 

Akshaya Choudhary wrote:

One last thing. Since, I can remove my old portable copy now, should I uninstall it or just delete the entire folder?
You can't uninstall a portable copy, since it was never installed. It is self-contained, which is what makes it portable. Delete its folder.

Consider Gene's advice about keeping a periodic backup of your working portable copy, so you can easily restore it if something goes wrong. It seems you rely on it heavily.

Speaking of that, inquiring minds do want to know why you run 2019.3? There was nothing special about 2019.3, that I know of, except that it was the first version to use Python3. However since it does, there shouldn't be any reason not to run a newer version that also supports Python 3, such as 2020.4, or 2022.X.

Luke
Re: Portable copy of NVDA not working

Akshaya Choudhary
 

One last thing. Since, I can remove my old portable copy now, should I uninstall it or just delete the entire folder?
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Re: Portable copy of NVDA not working

Akshaya Choudhary
 

Issue resolved!
I replaced "user config" folder of the new portable copy with that of my old portable copy, which had my preferred settings and add-ons. Now, this new copy is working fine with my old settings and add-ons. I guess it was an issue of my old portable copy being corrupted for some reason. Thank you Brian, and everyone! I also learnt some very useful new things about NVDA.
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Thanks,
Akshaya
Re: NVDA says out of link in Outlook

Quentin Christensen
 

It is because Outlook treats email messages as Word documents - this is why links (and leaving links) are read as they would be in Word.  This is always why tables have traditionally been read like they have in Word rather than web tables.


On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 10:16 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Others may know of a setting, but I've never seen any that apply and I
don't think there is one.  You should be able to use the speech
dictionary to silence the phrase.

Gene

On 12/5/2022 5:13 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
> Hi all,
> Well, my massive email cleanout that has been a project since April
> 2020 generates another question, though I think the first to this
> list, or at least the first one in a while. As I read my messages,
> NVDA says "out of link" whenever it encounters text that isn't a link
> anymore in Outlook, but doesn't read this way when browsing the web.
> Is there a way to make NVDA read links the same way in Outlook as it
> does when browsing the web?
> Bob
>
>
>
>
>








--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Re: Portable copy of NVDA not working

Quentin Christensen
 

nvda.log is the file for the currently running - or most recently run instance of NVDA
nvda-old.log is the file for the previous instance of NVDA prior to that.

Wherever you run NVDA from - whether the installed copy, or a portable copy (or temporary copy from the downloaded launcher) - the log will be written to %temp%.  So if you run a portable copy, exit it (or it crashes) and then start an installed copy, in your %temp% folder, nvda.log will be for the currently running (installed) instance, and nvda-old.log will be from the previous run (the portable copy in this case).



On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 8:01 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 03:33 PM, Gene wrote:
I would think there would be a file that has many or perhaps all of the settings stored, such as an ini file. 
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All user configuration is stored under the NVDA Portable folder, wherever you chose to create it, in a folder named userConfig.  That includes Add-Ons, Profiles, dictionaries, etc.   That is provided you told NVDA to include user configuration profiles when you created the portable copy.  I'd imagine that the add-ons, etc., will be there if they were there for the installed version from which the portable copy was created.

So, if you still have an old portable copy (which compatible add-ons, etc.) and provided that it wasn't something under userConfig that is the source of corruption, you should be able to copy that folder over lock, stock, and barrel to a freshly created portable copy that does not have it.
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       ~ Tom Masson



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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Re: NVDA says out of link in Outlook

Gene
 

Others may know of a setting, but I've never seen any that apply and I don't think there is one.  You should be able to use the speech dictionary to silence the phrase.

Gene

On 12/5/2022 5:13 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Hi all,
Well, my massive email cleanout that has been a project since April
2020 generates another question, though I think the first to this
list, or at least the first one in a while. As I read my messages,
NVDA says "out of link" whenever it encounters text that isn't a link
anymore in Outlook, but doesn't read this way when browsing the web.
Is there a way to make NVDA read links the same way in Outlook as it
does when browsing the web?
Bob
NVDA says out of link in Outlook

Bob Cavanaugh
 

Hi all,
Well, my massive email cleanout that has been a project since April
2020 generates another question, though I think the first to this
list, or at least the first one in a while. As I read my messages,
NVDA says "out of link" whenever it encounters text that isn't a link
anymore in Outlook, but doesn't read this way when browsing the web.
Is there a way to make NVDA read links the same way in Outlook as it
does when browsing the web?
Bob
Re: activating a stuborn button on web site

Gene
 

Here's how you do it.
If you up arrow once from the button, depending on what your screen-reader is set to announce, you will either hear banner landmark and some text spoken or you will hear blank.  This is where you go into focus mode to work with the edit field.  Press enter, type the search, then press enter to perform the search.

Gene

On 12/5/2022 4:41 PM, Don H wrote:
Running Win 11 2022 H2 and latest released version of NVDA.  When I go to cr.org there is a button to search consumer reports.  I have tried everything I know what to do but I can't get this button to do anything.  Any help would be appreciated




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Re: activating a stuborn button on web site

Jackie
 

Ok, so:
a) cr.org & consumerreports.org are the same.
b) There is a search field. If you hit the e key, it says blank. Press
the spacebar & you can type your search text. Press enter & your
results appear.

I did visit the website & did that prior to writing the first time, so
I knew it worked.

On 12/5/22, Mary Otten <maryotten@...> wrote:
Well, I'm on windows 10 latest, not 11, with latest released NVDA and
firefox. And if I go to that button, turn browse mode off, make sure the
button is in focus and then hit number pad search with number pad enter,
the button activates and openes an edit field into which I could type
something. Seems like a strange way to do things, but it did give me an
edit field.


Mary


On 12/5/2022 2:41 PM, Don H wrote:
Running Win 11 2022 H2 and latest released version of NVDA.  When I go
to cr.org there is a button to search consumer reports.  I have tried
everything I know what to do but I can't get this button to do
anything.  Any help would be appreciated








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Re: activating a stuborn button on web site

Mary Otten
 

Well, I'm on windows 10 latest, not 11, with latest released NVDA and firefox. And if I go to that button, turn browse mode off, make sure the button is in focus and then hit number pad search with number pad enter, the button activates and openes an edit field into which I could type something. Seems like a strange way to do things, but it did give me an edit field.


Mary

On 12/5/2022 2:41 PM, Don H wrote:
Running Win 11 2022 H2 and latest released version of NVDA.  When I go to cr.org there is a button to search consumer reports.  I have tried everything I know what to do but I can't get this button to do anything.  Any help would be appreciated
Re: activating a stuborn button on web site

Gene
 

Will people please copy addresses from the address bar?  The address is:
https://www.consumerreports.org/

It is not safe to go to addresses that are similar to well known addresses.  Hackers purchase addresses that are similar to popular addresses.  If you go to one, you may end up on a malicious site that tries to place malware on the machine.

Also, I had to do a search to find the correct address.
Gene

On 12/5/2022 4:41 PM, Don H wrote:
Running Win 11 2022 H2 and latest released version of NVDA.  When I go to cr.org there is a button to search consumer reports.  I have tried everything I know what to do but I can't get this button to do anything.  Any help would be appreciated




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Re: activating a stuborn button on web site

Don H
 

There is no edit box to enter anything

On 12/5/2022 4:44 PM, Jackie wrote:
Just type something into the search field & hit enter.
On 12/5/22, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:
Running Win 11 2022 H2 and latest released version of NVDA. When I go
to cr.org there is a button to search consumer reports. I have tried
everything I know what to do but I can't get this button to do anything.
Any help would be appreciated
Re: activating a stuborn button on web site

Sarah k Alawami
 

Sometimes that does not work, it's very, very rare when that does not, when enter does not work it's annoying as you need to then tab to a button that hopefully will show up in focus mode, then hot space, if not you need to find it in browse mode and hit enter there, or route and left click.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: Monday, December 5, 2022 2:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] activating a stuborn button on web site

Just type something into the search field & hit enter.

On 12/5/22, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:
Running Win 11 2022 H2 and latest released version of NVDA. When I go
to cr.org there is a button to search consumer reports. I have tried
everything I know what to do but I can't get this button to do anything.
Any help would be appreciated






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Jackie McBride
Be a hero. Fight Scams. Learn how at www.scam911.org Also check out brightstarsweb.com & mysitesbeenhacked.com
Re: activating a stuborn button on web site

Jackie
 

Just type something into the search field & hit enter.

On 12/5/22, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:
Running Win 11 2022 H2 and latest released version of NVDA. When I go
to cr.org there is a button to search consumer reports. I have tried
everything I know what to do but I can't get this button to do anything.
Any help would be appreciated





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Jackie McBride
Be a hero. Fight Scams. Learn how at www.scam911.org
Also check out brightstarsweb.com & mysitesbeenhacked.com
activating a stuborn button on web site

Don H
 

Running Win 11 2022 H2 and latest released version of NVDA. When I go to cr.org there is a button to search consumer reports. I have tried everything I know what to do but I can't get this button to do anything. Any help would be appreciated
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