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Re: Problem in the latest beta of NVDA
Iván Novegil
This is being discussed in an issue at NVDA repository. https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11968 From there you can even download a try build with the suggested fix to test and report if it solves the issue.
Regards. Iván Novegil Cancelas O 30/12/2020 á(s) 16:20, Vaibhav
Bhandari escribiu:
Hi all, I recently updated to the latest beta version of NVDA in which I have been facing a really weerd issue. The problem is that whenever I switch my listening device from my earphone to my bluetooth headphones, the sounds that NVDA makes while entering/exiting focus/brows mode, exiting NVDA and enabling/desabling screen curtain can't be heard. I then have to restart NVDA for those sounds to return. I didn't face this particular issue in the previous versions of NVDA so I wished to ask if it is a bta related issue?
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Re: Problem in the latest beta of NVDA
Hi,
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The issue was identified and a fix from NV Access is pending review. Cheers, Joseph
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Vaibhav Bhandari Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 7:21 AM To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Subject: [nvda] Problem in the latest beta of NVDA Hi all, I recently updated to the latest beta version of NVDA in which I have been facing a really weerd issue. The problem is that whenever I switch my listening device from my earphone to my bluetooth headphones, the sounds that NVDA makes while entering/exiting focus/brows mode, exiting NVDA and enabling/desabling screen curtain can't be heard. I then have to restart NVDA for those sounds to return. I didn't face this particular issue in the previous versions of NVDA so I wished to ask if it is a bta related issue? -- Thanks/regards: Vaibhav Bhandari
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Problem in the latest beta of NVDA
Vaibhav Bhandari
Hi all,
I recently updated to the latest beta version of NVDA in which I have been facing a really weerd issue. The problem is that whenever I switch my listening device from my earphone to my bluetooth headphones, the sounds that NVDA makes while entering/exiting focus/brows mode, exiting NVDA and enabling/desabling screen curtain can't be heard. I then have to restart NVDA for those sounds to return. I didn't face this particular issue in the previous versions of NVDA so I wished to ask if it is a bta related issue? -- Thanks/regards: Vaibhav Bhandari
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Re: problems using NVDA with my new laptop
Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Betsy, when using a laptop keyboard the only time you use desktop settings is if your keyboard has a numpad.
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NVDA+1 on the keyboard is a good way to locate keys. you will still need some sighted help because not all keys are labeled in a way that NVDA will recognize.An alternative is to invest in a USB keyboard or a wireless one. I say this because you will find some of your NVDA key commands fun to accomplish because many of them will require using the FN key to accomplish. thus, my suggestion of using an external keyboard.
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From: "Betsy Grenevitch" <blindangel61@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 6:16 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] problems using NVDA with my new laptop Thank you, Mareth. I will write this down and try it later today.
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Re: problems using NVDA with my new laptop
Betsy Grenevitch
Chris, thank you so much. I just realized because of what you
said that I needed to make sure the function keys were set to
allow home to work with F9 and somehow they had gotten reset.
Thankfully, I do not have to go into the bios to change their
function but my daughter found that I just need to do escape plus
F-end.
You all have been so helpful for me and I have taken notes to have in the future in case I forget since I have memory problems. Thank you so much to those who make this list available to those of us who need it from time to time.
On 12/30/2020 8:53 AM, Chris
Mullins wrote:
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Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876
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Re: problems using NVDA with my new laptop
Chris Mullins
Hi Betsy The home key is used to move to the top of a list and this is a Windows key command rather than a NVDA command. One of the responses mentioned the FN key which laptops use as a modifier key to enable the addition of media keys and I suspect this is the issue here. Try switching on NVDA keyboard help mode using NVDA+1 (on the number row not the keypad). The keypresses will then be announced not actioned,so you can check if you are pressing what you think you are pressing as for example NVDA will say “Home” when you press the Home key. If “Home” is not announced then you may have to use the FN key as a modifier together with the home key to make the home key function properly. Press NVDA+1 again to return to normal keyboard entry mode.
Many manufacturers set up their machines so that media keys are the default and you have to use the FN modifier to use, for example, function keys. There is likely to be a BIOS setting that you can set to reverse this behaviour I.e. the keyboard will then behave as you are used to and you have to use the FN modifier for media key functions. Note: you will require sighted assistance to access the BIOS.
Cheers Chris
From: Betsy Grenevitch
Sent: 29 December 2020 22:03 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] problems using NVDA with my new laptop
I received a new laptop and my daughter thought she had exported everything properly but a lot of the NVDA commands are not working such as going to the top of a list of emails, going to the top of a file etc. I am using Windows 10 and the NVDA is set to desktop layout.
I would definitely appreciate if someone could help me figure out what is going on.
It is an Asus laptop.
Thanks.
-- Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876
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Re: problems using NVDA with my new laptop
Betsy Grenevitch
Sorry, I should have proofed before sending. I meant to say Hareth.
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Also, Hareth I wanted to let you know that the command referring to using control plus F9 and or F10 worked when I pushed the F-end key with that combination. You have made my day. I am not technologically inclined enough to download the ad-on mentioned if I have to configure something so will use your method for now since it works. Thank you so much again, Hareth.
On 12/30/2020 8:16 AM, Betsy Grenevitch via groups.io wrote:
Thank you, Mareth. I will write this down and try it later today. --
Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876
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Re: problems using NVDA with my new laptop
Betsy Grenevitch
Thank you, Mareth. I will write this down and try it later today.
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I hope you are doing well.
On 12/30/2020 1:20 AM, Hareth wrote:
Hi Betsy, --
Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876
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SPSS and NVDA
William
Hi,
I could not find relevant information on whether SPSS is accessible using NVDA. Is there any person here has experience in using SPSS with NVDA? Do you have any information on how I should do with it? Thanks.
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Re: Word 2013 ribbon and NVDA 2020.3
Lukasz Golonka
Unfortunately list does not allow attachments, so I haven't got your log.
Please activate the link that says ', Reply To Sender' at the bottom of the message and attach it there. -- Regards Lukasz On Wed, 30 Dec 2020 07:39:37 +0100 "bering.p" <bering.p@...> wrote: Hi Lucas.
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Re: NVDA and outlook questions
Monte Single
If you are shopping for a new version, check out amazon, I go a legal version of 2016 office pro there for about 30 bucks. They send you the key code, and you download the appropriate version from the m s store.In my experience, it is not an upgrade from 2010 to 2016 or any other version, it is a new install full prices apply, others may have a different story.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: December 30, 2020 1:01 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions
Hey, speaking of outlook. If I upgrade from outlook 2010 with my outlook key. Do I have to pay for the upgrade? I don’t care if I do. I am inquiring. Thanks.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Dan Miner via groups.io
Your version number suggests you have some kind of subscription and Office 365 is the only recent offerings I know of. So, if that is the case you probably just need to login to your Microsoft account (via the File menu using that account management option) and update. I did just that about 2 weeks ago.
Compared to 2016, the latest Office has been working better in my experiences. Even the calendar is becoming more and more useable.
Dan > On Dec 29, 2020, at 6:52 PM, Dennis L <dennisl1982@...> wrote: > > Does outlook 2019 work better? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Miner via > groups.io > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 5:28 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions > > Well, if it is a 2016 based version then you likely will have the problem of > it not reading suggestions easily. I always had to fiddle around with it to > get anything. I vaguely remember using object navigation to dive into the > enclosing frame It I was truly needing to use that feature, I would just > switch to JAWS 18 and it would read in a more natural way. I would give > recent Narrator a try and see how it fairs with that dropdown. > > Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 8:57 AM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions > > I believe it is 2016. This is the version number I got when I used jaws and > got the version number. > Microsoft Outlook Subscription Version 16.0.13426.20404 -----Original > Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Miner via > groups.io > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 10:43 AM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions > > I have Outlook from Office 365 and if I recall this thread was about the To > field and reading the type-ahead suggestion reading? When I was using > Outlook 2016, I had this problem of it not reading but I did a bit of > testing again on this version. It seems to be working fine with the type > ahead for reading the first suggestion and changing as I progress on typing. > Also, a simple down arrow will read the remaining suggestions. I don't > recall which version you have but I am wondering if that is a factor here. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 12:28 AM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions > > There is no outlook setting I know of where I have to adjust it for the > screen reader to properly read other screen readers read it. so should > NVDA. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 12:40 AM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions > > > I think there is a setting. > You need to go to, in Outlook to File then Options and then under Mail find > the setting which says Automatic Name checking and make sure that that is > checked. > I have this checked and if Dennis does not then this may explain the > different behaviour. > David G. > -----Original Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene > Sent: 29 December 2020 03:39 > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions > > I know of no such setting. This is very likely another instance where you > have to help the screen-reader in some way by using read current line as you > type. I don't know why Outlook is different, in the address bar in the > browsers I use, autocomplete will read as what I type changes. > > Gene > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis L > Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 7:26 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions > > > > I have the setting > > Automatic say on page load unchecked. I was able to get it to read the > first suggestion but not more suggestions. Example if I type j and joe > smith is first it will read that if I continue typing and type john it won’t > read John smith can this be changed that it will continuously read the > suggestions? > > > > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith > Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 5:58 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions > > > > > > This is slightly odd as this is precisely hwat NVDA does for me in Outlook. > I have just tried it and if I press K the most recent email I have typed > > > > whose name begins with K. Pressing the down arrow reveals other addresses > beginning with K. > > > > > > > > I wonder if there is a setting in Outlook about keeping recent addresses you > need to turn on? > > > > Having said that it is also true that this feature does not, for me at > least, any longer, reveal results from all your contacts. I often have to > go into the to button and search in there to reveal all my addresses in > contacts. > > > > David G. > > > > On 28/12/2020 21:56, Dennis L wrote: > > > > Hi, I was wondering is there a way to get NVDA to automatically read the > suggestions that come up when you are typing the address or persons name who > the message is to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Re: NVDA and outlook questions
Dan Miner
Yes, please inquiry to Microsoft. I just use the products. *smile*
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 12:08 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions
microsoft may know the answer to that one.
On 2020-12-30 2:01 a.m., Arlene wrote:
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Re: NVDA and outlook questions
microsoft may know the answer to that one.
On 2020-12-30 2:01 a.m., Arlene wrote:
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Re: NVDA and outlook questions
Arlene
Hey, speaking of outlook. If I upgrade from outlook 2010 with my outlook key. Do I have to pay for the upgrade? I don’t care if I do. I am inquiring. Thanks.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Dan Miner via groups.io
Sent: December 29, 2020 10:57 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions
Your version number suggests you have some kind of subscription and Office 365 is the only recent offerings I know of. So, if that is the case you probably just need to login to your Microsoft account (via the File menu using that account management option) and update. I did just that about 2 weeks ago.
Compared to 2016, the latest Office has been working better in my experiences. Even the calendar is becoming more and more useable.
Dan > On Dec 29, 2020, at 6:52 PM, Dennis L <dennisl1982@...> wrote: > > Does outlook 2019 work better? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Miner via > groups.io > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 5:28 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions > > Well, if it is a 2016 based version then you likely will have the problem of > it not reading suggestions easily. I always had to fiddle around with it to > get anything. I vaguely remember using object navigation to dive into the > enclosing frame It I was truly needing to use that feature, I would just > switch to JAWS 18 and it would read in a more natural way. I would give > recent Narrator a try and see how it fairs with that dropdown. > > Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 8:57 AM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions > > I believe it is 2016. This is the version number I got when I used jaws and > got the version number. > Microsoft Outlook Subscription Version 16.0.13426.20404 -----Original > Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Miner via > groups.io > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 10:43 AM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions > > I have Outlook from Office 365 and if I recall this thread was about the To > field and reading the type-ahead suggestion reading? When I was using > Outlook 2016, I had this problem of it not reading but I did a bit of > testing again on this version. It seems to be working fine with the type > ahead for reading the first suggestion and changing as I progress on typing. > Also, a simple down arrow will read the remaining suggestions. I don't > recall which version you have but I am wondering if that is a factor here. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 12:28 AM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions > > There is no outlook setting I know of where I have to adjust it for the > screen reader to properly read other screen readers read it. so should > NVDA. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 12:40 AM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions > > > I think there is a setting. > You need to go to, in Outlook to File then Options and then under Mail find > the setting which says Automatic Name checking and make sure that that is > checked. > I have this checked and if Dennis does not then this may explain the > different behaviour. > David G. > -----Original Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene > Sent: 29 December 2020 03:39 > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions > > I know of no such setting. This is very likely another instance where you > have to help the screen-reader in some way by using read current line as you > type. I don't know why Outlook is different, in the address bar in the > browsers I use, autocomplete will read as what I type changes. > > Gene > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis L > Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 7:26 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions > > > > I have the setting > > Automatic say on page load unchecked. I was able to get it to read the > first suggestion but not more suggestions. Example if I type j and joe > smith is first it will read that if I continue typing and type john it won’t > read John smith can this be changed that it will continuously read the > suggestions? > > > > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith > Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 5:58 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions > > > > > > This is slightly odd as this is precisely hwat NVDA does for me in Outlook. > I have just tried it and if I press K the most recent email I have typed > > > > whose name begins with K. Pressing the down arrow reveals other addresses > beginning with K. > > > > > > > > I wonder if there is a setting in Outlook about keeping recent addresses you > need to turn on? > > > > Having said that it is also true that this feature does not, for me at > least, any longer, reveal results from all your contacts. I often have to > go into the to button and search in there to reveal all my addresses in > contacts. > > > > David G. > > > > On 28/12/2020 21:56, Dennis L wrote: > > > > Hi, I was wondering is there a way to get NVDA to automatically read the > suggestions that come up when you are typing the address or persons name who > the message is to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Re: Admin's Notes Re List Conduct, Please Read
#adminnotice
Arlene
Happy New year to you all. What! Brian has vision? I didn’t know that! Nor do I care that he does. I thought he was totally blind like most people on the list. The reason I thought he was blind like us is because he talks in a way that most of us blind users talk wile operating our computers. Well, all the world to him looking after this list.
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From: Nimer Jaber
Sent: December 29, 2020 9:52 PM To: NVDA@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Admin's Notes Re List Conduct, Please Read #adminnotice
Hello everyone,
Here's hoping this message finds you well, and if you celebrate the new year, then happy early New Year!
I want to be very clear on an issue which has risen on this list. I want to make sure my words are plain, so if you don't understand, please reach out to nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io and I will help clarify for you.
Brian has, and will continue to have my full support as a moderator of this list. I have not seen any reason why he should not enjoy my support, and I have not had anyone contact me to state why my support is misplaced. Notice I did not say anything about Brian's vision status, gender, race, or anything else. I said Brian, as a human being, enjoys my full support.
As all of us are humans, and as the world has so many issues dividing us, please, let's not allow vision, or the lack of it, dictate how we treat one another. Discrimination takes many forms, and I believe, it is no better to discriminate regarding an individual's site than it is an individual's lack of it, or an individual's skin color, ethnicity, or any other characteristic. I take this seriously, as you all should, because we have many issues going on in the world today, and I definitely believe that whether an individual has sight or not should not be one of those issues.
If you have a problem with Brian's responses because of the fact that he has vision, then I suggest you learn to lose your narrow-mindedness and find a more welcoming list for your ignorance. You could, of course, learn to use your email filters. Nonetheless, I will not tolerate any discrimination on this list, and will treat such transgressions severely. This may mean loss of posting privileges, or a ban altogether, something I do not do lightly.
I hope that the incident that happened today does not repeat itself, yet be assured that discrimination is against the NVAccess code of conduct, Groups.IO rules, this list's rules, and my personal moral code, so I hope you will all understand where I am coming from on this.
Thank you for your membership to this list. We are nearly at 1,500 members, all from various cultures and walks of life, all from various countries. The one thing that binds us all is our humanity. Thank you for being you, thank you for being part of this community, and thank you for your time in reading this message and your understanding of this matter. I hope we can all respect one another in the way that every human deserves.
-- Best,
Thank you, and have a great day!
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Re: NVDA and outlook questions
Dan Miner
Your version number suggests you have some kind of subscription and Office 365 is the only recent offerings I know of. So, if that is the case you probably just need to login to your Microsoft account (via the File menu using that account management option) and update. I did just that about 2 weeks ago.
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Compared to 2016, the latest Office has been working better in my experiences. Even the calendar is becoming more and more useable. Dan
On Dec 29, 2020, at 6:52 PM, Dennis L <dennisl1982@...> wrote:
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Word 2013 ribbon and NVDA 2020.3
bering.p
Hi Lucas.
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I cannot send you the log with this e-mail address: lukasz.golonka@... So I try to send it on the list. Attached is the log. Best regards. Paul. Le 29/12/2020 21:29, Lukasz Golonka via
groups.io a écrit :
I might be able to fix this but I don't have access to any Office 2013 machine. Would you be able to provide me a log as follows: Restart with add-ons disabled. Set log level to debug In NVDA's advanced settings in the debug logging group enable MSAA logging category - ensure that all other categories are disabled to declutter the log. - Try tabbing through the ribbon when it is collapsed. Please send content of the log viewer privately to me.
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Re: problems using NVDA with my new laptop
Hareth <hareth4m@...>
Hi Betsy,
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Try using the "home" and "end" buttons for top and bottom of lists. And ctrl plus home hotkey for the top of a message and opened text file and ctrl plus end hotkey for the bottom of it, that works for some type of lists as well if the 1st one didn't work. As for the laptops Numlock key mostly you can do it with pressing the "FN" key combined with another mostly in the numbers row, and re do it to unlock its a toggle. The best and easy way to find it is to invoke the NVDA's key helper mode with hitting the NVDA plus number 1 to turn it on, and test your keys, press the same hotkey to get out of it. Happy new year to you and your family.
On 12/29/20, Betsy Grenevitch <blindangel61@...> wrote:
I received a new laptop and my daughter thought she had exported
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Re: problems using NVDA with my new laptop
Hi.
This happens because NVDA, by default and with both keyboard layouts, uses the Numpad for object navigation, screen review and review cursor functions. To use the Home, Page up, End, Page Down and other key capabilities of the Numpad, please download the add-on on this page. Read the instructions before you do, so you will be able to configure the settings to your liking. https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/numpadNavMode.en.html Cheers. Andre
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Admin's Notes Re List Conduct, Please Read
#adminnotice
Nimer Jaber
Hello everyone, Here's hoping this message finds you well, and if you celebrate the new year, then happy early New Year! I want to be very clear on an issue which has risen on this list. I want to make sure my words are plain, so if you don't understand, please reach out to nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io and I will help clarify for you. Brian has, and will continue to have my full support as a moderator of this list. I have not seen any reason why he should not enjoy my support, and I have not had anyone contact me to state why my support is misplaced. Notice I did not say anything about Brian's vision status, gender, race, or anything else. I said Brian, as a human being, enjoys my full support. As all of us are humans, and as the world has so many issues dividing us, please, let's not allow vision, or the lack of it, dictate how we treat one another. Discrimination takes many forms, and I believe, it is no better to discriminate regarding an individual's site than it is an individual's lack of it, or an individual's skin color, ethnicity, or any other characteristic. I take this seriously, as you all should, because we have many issues going on in the world today, and I definitely believe that whether an individual has sight or not should not be one of those issues. If you have a problem with Brian's responses because of the fact that he has vision, then I suggest you learn to lose your narrow-mindedness and find a more welcoming list for your ignorance. You could, of course, learn to use your email filters. Nonetheless, I will not tolerate any discrimination on this list, and will treat such transgressions severely. This may mean loss of posting privileges, or a ban altogether, something I do not do lightly. I hope that the incident that happened today does not repeat itself, yet be assured that discrimination is against the NVAccess code of conduct, Groups.IO rules, this list's rules, and my personal moral code, so I hope you will all understand where I am coming from on this. Thank you for your membership to this list. We are nearly at 1,500 members, all from various cultures and walks of life, all from various countries. The one thing that binds us all is our humanity. Thank you for being you, thank you for being part of this community, and thank you for your time in reading this message and your understanding of this matter. I hope we can all respect one another in the way that every human deserves. Best, Nimer Jaber The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding attachments for security threats. Registered Linux User 529141. http://counter.li.org/ To find out about a free, open-source, and versatile screen reader for Windows, visit nvaccess.org You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news. To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (970) (393-4481) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. Thank you, and have a great day!
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