On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 10:23 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:

I do not agree with you

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And I do not agree with you, but do agree with Gene.

Gene is correct that NVDA proper has no such setting.  You are correct that NVDA add-ons (both of which appear to be "home grown" ones not listed on the community add-ons page) exist to support this function.

NVDA itself doesn't support this.  It is supported under NVDA via add-ons.  That may seem like hair-splitting, but it's not.  The same can be said of different things under JAWS that are supported via scripts.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 

NVDA has no such setting.  I think that, after a short time, you may get used to this not occurring and it will fade away to a minor annoyance or perhaps none. 

 

And at times, I consider it an advantage not to have rap.  Let’s say I am going downa page looking for something.  I want to see if I’ve found all the relevant headings or buttons or whatever I’m looking for because I’m not sure which one I want to use.  If I find what I want near the bottom of the page, then have a rap occur, I am once again at the top of the page.  It would be much more convenient to go to the last item I’m looking for and receive a no more buttons or headings, etc.  Then I can work with the last item if it’s the one I want or I can move backwards to the one I want which may be far closer to the bottom of the page than the top. 

 

While I don’t have a strong feeling about this, I think page rap is an example of too much automation which creates as much or more inconvenience than it tries to eliminate. 

 

And another question occurred to me just now.  Does rap cause improper jumping back to the tops of pages in today’s environment?  Many pages change these days as you move through them.  they display more of the page as you move down.  This is to accommodate portable devices.

 

My question is, say you are moving down a page by heading or by a control such as by button.  Does rap cause the screen-reader to rap to the top before the page changes and appear to show that you reached the end of the page when you actually didn’t?

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: David Kingsbury

Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 8:46 AM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys

 

Hi all,

When I am navigating a web page with quick navigation keys (H for headings, E for edit fields, etc.), when I get past the last of these on a page, it does not wrap back to the top of the page. With JAWS, it wraps around and I find this useful. Is there some setting I can change to make it wrap around?

Thanks,

David

 

 

        When I press shift 10 in the edge brouser to actavate the context menu it does not read it and I am not able to down arrow through the menu.  I have tried to do this with brouse mode both on and off.  I have also tried narator and I got the same results.  I have called the microsoft accessability answer desk and my case has been escelated.  When they remoted my pc using quick assist they were able to open the context menu and down arrow through it.  My sighted friend tried to open the context menu in edge with no screen reader turned on and he was able to open the context menu and down arrow through it.  I only have this issue with the edge brouser and not with any other brouser.  If I use ie chrome or fire fox I am able to open the context menu and down arrow through it.  It's seems that edge is not recignizing the shift 10 command.  Could it be a problem with the ui not being programed to recignize this command?  Microsoft does need to fix this problem before they turn off ie for good.

Brian Sackrider

This may be an Edge error, or it could be an NVDA error.

I just tried this and while SHIFT+F10 definitely brings up the context menu when NVDA is running, focus does not shift to it, but remains on the page in Edge itself.  This is not the case when NVDA is off.  If I do SHIFT+F10 without NVDA running, and hit either up or down arrow, I am traversing the context menu.

It's not clear to me if this is an NVDA bug or an Edge bug.  But since you say you get the same misbehavior with Narrator, I suspect that something is not being exposed to the screen reader by Edge that should be that allows the screen reader to have focus set in the Context Menu when it appears.  I don't have JAWS on this machine, or I'd try a quick test with it.  I suspect the same issue would present itself, which would really point the finger at Edge (or something in Windows that Edge depends upon for context menu presentation).
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 

This may be an Edge error, or it could be an NVDA error.

I just tried this and while SHIFT+F10 definitely brings up the context menu when NVDA is running, focus does not shift to it, but remains on the page in Edge itself.  This is not the case when NVDA is off.  If I do SHIFT+F10 without NVDA running, and hit either up or down arrow, I am traversing the context menu.

It's not clear to me if this is an NVDA bug or an Edge bug.  But since you say you get the same misbehavior with Narrator, I suspect that something is not being exposed to the screen reader by Edge that should be that allows the screen reader to have focus set in the Context Menu when it appears.  I don't have JAWS on this machine, or I'd try a quick test with it.  I suspect the same issue would present itself, which would really point the finger at Edge (or something in Windows that Edge depends upon for context menu presentation).
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 



Hello,

 

I am using NVDA 2020.4 and Windows 10 Home. Few days back, there was a discussion on phonetic description of a character and how NVDA can announce the character and it’s phonetic pronunciation. I was using the shortcut NVDA + . (fullstop) twice to hear the phonetic pronunciation. The shortcut and the “Enhanced Phonetic Reading” add-on is working fine everywhere when it comes to English.

 

However, NVDA fails to report the phonetic pronunciation/description of a letter typed in Hindi or Marathi except when typed in Microsoft Word. I am using Office 365. When I write anything in Notepad for example, NVDA does not report the phonetic pronunciation. It used to report in the older versions like 2020.1. What could be the reason? Is there anything I can do that will solve this problem?

 

Regards,

Sanjog Kumawat

 

 

Now I'm getting emails, but its keeps saying date: today. Or date: yesterday.

Like that.

Forgot how to turn it off.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 10:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook 365 problems

 

Well I have just checked and recieved an out of band windows update services update, as well as office updates.

There wasn't an update expected today, so its an out of band update most certainly.

 

 

On 18/06/2021 7:06 pm, Vaibhav Saraf wrote:

Hi Afik,

 

It looks to be an Office problem over NVDA problem.

 

For the first issue I am not sure if you are not able to see any mail in the inbox or just the latest ones. If it's just the latest ones then it can very well be some account sync issue. Outlook does a lot of downloads when it is installed new, you might like to wait a bit and allow it to download the chunk before it settles.

 

For the second issue, you can change the sorting order of mails. By default it is by date, if you reach the inbox table you can shift tab to reach the sort and filter and select the relevant criteria.

 

Thanks,

Vaibhav

 

 

 

 

On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 12:19, Afik Souffir <afik.souffir@...> wrote:

 

Hi

I installed office 365 after reseting my laptop, and things are getting crazy at the view.

First of all I don't get to my inbox emails from yesterday, and I can see in my outlook app in my phone a lot of emails from yesterday and today.

Second, it's showing me the emails by date, not like before, at chronological order.

 

Any help will be appreciated.

 

Afik.