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Re: Is the NVDA Commands Quick Reference available in some searchable document format? (e.g. PDF, docx)
On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 05:27 PM, Jackie wrote:
Microsoft print to pdf utility also works.- By the way, I just tried this method to create the PDF, and although the initial result is not searchable, the OCR processing on that file by PDF-XChange Viewer does work, so I can save the text layer as part of the processed file and have it be searchable when I next open it. This is the first and only time that I've ever hit any PDF file created by one virtual printer versus another be able to be successfully OCR processed for only one of those virtual printer files. But, as I frequently say, we all need to have backup/workaround methods in our back pockets when our preferred method doesn't want to cooperate! -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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Re: Is the NVDA Commands Quick Reference available in some searchable document format? (e.g. PDF, docx)
On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 05:27 PM, Jackie wrote:
printing using the Microsoft print to- I'll also try that, but what I'm trying to say is that none of these print to PDF options is generating a searchable PDF, and even if I manually run OCR on those files in PDF-XChange Viewer, and save the result, I get nada as far as searchability. It's the strangest thing I've ever encountered. I would have thought, given that the source HTML file is almost purely text based, that any resulting PDF generated via any virtual printer method would have defaulted to being a searchable PDF with no need to do OCR processing on it to begin with. But the OCR just not working is just bizarre. I've done OCR on source material many times that were image scanned PDFs with "sketchy quality" source material or scanning or both, where the OCR results are perfect or close to it. Strange . . . -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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Re: Two Janets was NVDA find command not working
On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 05:25 PM, Jackie wrote:
I'm an idiot.- Of the many things I might be inclined to use as a descriptor for you, idiot is not among those. You're human, that's for sure, and made a mistake that's very, very easy to make! -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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Re: Is the NVDA Commands Quick Reference available in some searchable document format? (e.g. PDF, docx)
Jackie
& if you *really* want a pdf, printing using the Microsoft print to
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pdf utility also works. On 7/17/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Thank you gentlemen. Both of those are useful workarounds. --
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Re: Two Janets was NVDA find command not working
On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 05:15 PM, Janet Brandly wrote:
It is another Janet who was asking about voices for NVDA- This is one reason I really encourage people who want to use their given names to, at the very least, give the initial letter of their surname when setting up an account. I can't count the number of Chrises and Mikes, to name but two, that I see within and across groups. And remembering which Chris or Mike is which is a PITA. Groups.io actually gives you the ability to tweak your Display Name, among other things, on this specific account page: https://groups.io/account?page=profile&member_info_id=0 You do, of course, have to log in or be logged in prior to going there. Even if you choose a distinctive display name that's better than a single, dirt common (and that's not an insult, just an observation, as Brian is about as dirt common as given names come) display name. Hence the reason I chose to have my full, real name as my Display Name. But I could have gone with something like "Bri the Tech Guy" and it would still be very easy to distinguish me from all the other Brians who show up simply as "Brian" or with no display name at all. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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Re: Two Janets was NVDA find command not working
Jackie
O, gosh, I'm so sorry, Janet. I'm an idiot. What can I say?
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Hi Jackie, --
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Two Janets was NVDA find command not working
Janet Brandly
Hi Jackie,
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It is another Janet who was asking about voices for NVDA. AS for "find", I have tried both versions. Thanks, Janet B -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie Sent: July 17, 2021 2:41 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA find command not working Janet, might I ask what keys you're pressing to find material on screen? I ask this because NVDA can work w/2 versions of the find command. The well-known one is control f. That one actually is generally owned by the particular application in use, ie, Word, Notepad, etc. The 2nd 1, NVDA +control + f, is generally used in a "virtual cursor" situation, ie, a web browser, etc. So I guess the question I'm really asking--& taking the very very long way around the barn to do it--is whether you've tried both commands w/this program. Also, regarding your voices thread, I note that your email is a Canadian one, so you should have Canadian voices installed by default, & I suspect that's what you're hearing. If so, you're correct--they're absolutely stunning--& the good news for you is that you won't likely even have to install them, as they already are if you've set your region to Canada. On 7/16/21, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote: Hi, I’ve heard of that program. Good luck with your Medical transcription. -- Subscribe to a WordPress for Newbies Mailing List by sending a message to: wp4newbs-request@... with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by visiting the list page at http://www.freelists.org/list/wp4newbs & check out my sites at www.brightstarsweb.com & www.mysitesbeenhacked.com |
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Re: NVDA find command not working
Jackie
Janet, might I ask what keys you're pressing to find material on screen?
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I ask this because NVDA can work w/2 versions of the find command. The well-known one is control f. That one actually is generally owned by the particular application in use, ie, Word, Notepad, etc. The 2nd 1, NVDA +control + f, is generally used in a "virtual cursor" situation, ie, a web browser, etc. So I guess the question I'm really asking--& taking the very very long way around the barn to do it--is whether you've tried both commands w/this program. Also, regarding your voices thread, I note that your email is a Canadian one, so you should have Canadian voices installed by default, & I suspect that's what you're hearing. If so, you're correct--they're absolutely stunning--& the good news for you is that you won't likely even have to install them, as they already are if you've set your region to Canada. On 7/16/21, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
Hi, I’ve heard of that program. Good luck with your Medical transcription. --
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Re: Is the NVDA Commands Quick Reference available in some searchable document format? (e.g. PDF, docx)
Thank you gentlemen. Both of those are useful workarounds.
I do have to say I'd like to keep the formatting, though. I'll try opening one of the PDFs using word, and saving out the resulting docx to see what happens. The above being said, I can't imagine that it would be difficult to "pack and ship" a searchable document format of this reference with NVDA itself, but I may be the very odd bird who likes to have these references available separate from the screen reader even when I am using the screen reader. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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Re: Another object question,
On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 04:20 PM, Gene wrote:
It’s a question of learning commands for moving among and within objects. An object may have another object in it, by analogy something like a table and a leg attached to the table. The table is the object that is at a higher level and the leg is the object you move down to.- And that's it, right there. Practice, practice, practice without attempting to do anything productive while you're trying to get a sense of the object structure of whatever it is you happen to be working on. And that something should ideally be a completed version of "whatever the whole thing happens to be" so that your noodling around to explore its object structure will reveal most, if not all, of what you need to know when dealing with similar objects (in the broad sense of that word, like Word Documents, web pages, etc.) going forward. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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Re: Is the NVDA Commands Quick Reference available in some searchable document format? (e.g. PDF, docx)
Tyler Spivey
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1. Just open the quick reference in word. The address bar of your browser will tell you where it is. Word should then import the file, and let you re-save it as .docx. 2. Select all in your browser and copy it. Don't use NVDA's selection, you want the browser selection. Paste that in Word. Either of these should give you what you want. On 7/17/2021 1:10 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
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Re: Is the NVDA Commands Quick Reference available in some searchable document format? (e.g. PDF, docx)
Gene
Is saving it as a text file wile the document is opened in a browser
unsatisfactory?
Gene -----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 3:10 PM
Subject: [nvda] Is the NVDA Commands Quick Reference available in
some searchable document format? (e.g. PDF, docx) I
really don't know the answer to that question I realize that I can open it in the browser and search there, but I often like to save this sort of thing as a PDF that I can search whenever I wish. However, when I do that either using the PDF Creator virtual printer or Google's Print as PDF option, I cannot OCR process the resulting file such that it's searchable. This is most peculiar, given that the entire thing is mostly text. I even tried on an old copy I'd saved from 2018.1 and that didn't work. I'd just like to have this documentation in some sort of format besides HTML that I can search in for specific text. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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Re: Another object question,
Gene
It isn’t a question of settings. It’s a question of learning commands
for moving among and within objects. An object may have another object in
it, by analogy something like a table and a leg attached to the table. The
table is the object that is at a higher level and the leg is the object you move
down to.
If you still have questions after you listen to the materials, ask
here. To clarify matters, arranging a demonstration with someone might be
the best way to clarify things.
Gene ---- Original Message-----
Hello again,
Thank you for the links to those articles. I will definitely check them out. In the meantime, what is the best way to set the NVDA settings for NVDA to deal with them?
Thanks again,
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Is the NVDA Commands Quick Reference available in some searchable document format? (e.g. PDF, docx)
I really don't know the answer to that question
I realize that I can open it in the browser and search there, but I often like to save this sort of thing as a PDF that I can search whenever I wish. However, when I do that either using the PDF Creator virtual printer or Google's Print as PDF option, I cannot OCR process the resulting file such that it's searchable. This is most peculiar, given that the entire thing is mostly text. I even tried on an old copy I'd saved from 2018.1 and that didn't work. I'd just like to have this documentation in some sort of format besides HTML that I can search in for specific text. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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Another object question,
Janet Brandly
Hello again,
Thank you for the links to those articles. I will definitely check them out. In the meantime, what is the best way to set the NVDA settings for NVDA to deal with them?
Thanks again,
Janet |
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Re: What exactly is an "object"?
On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 02:41 PM, Gene wrote:
An interesting aspect of objects is that they can be very large.- Yup, because, in the case you describe, the object is the "text container" for the entire document. Objects are hierarchical as well, in that certain objects can only occur embedded in other objects. A good, but stupid example, being that if the object is a button there is no text container that can be within it, but if the object is a window, there are all sorts of potential objects that could be in that. Just playing with reporting the current object, and moving out to the containing object a couple of times gives you a sense, to some extent, of the kind of scoping. I just did that while looking at the NVDA Commands Quick reference in Brave and you move from the document content, to the document, to the Brave tab (reported as application window, I think), then out to the desktop. I really do need to play with object navigation more extensively to get an intuitive feel for the scoping that's going on for various objects when using various applications. Eventually you're always going to end up back at an application window, followed by desktop if you keep moving out to the next containing object. But where you end up if you keep moving from the current object to its first contained object is directly dependent on what the current object happens to be and what other types of objects it is capable of containing. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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Re: What exactly is an "object"?
Gene
An interesting aspect of objects is that they can be very large. I
think most objects are small, that is my impression. I don’t know if this
is generally true of text editors and word processors, but if I open a long
document in Notepad, it doesn’t matter how long it is, the entire document is
one object and I can move through all the text using NVDA object review
commands.
I have no idea if this has any bearing on the program under discussion but
its good to know in case you come across a large object.
Gene -----Original Message-----
That's
good to know, thanks :) On 7/17/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote: > Jujube, > > The only thing I'd add is that objects include things that are not > conventional controls, and the example of the status bar (that isn't a > conventional status bar in presentation) at the bottom of File Explorer is a > good example. > > The term "object" is intentionally vague or meta because so many different > things are implemented as objects of some sort. It's a catch-all term for > anything you can gain focus on that may or may not be a control you can > interact with, but can be examined by the screen reader. Many objects are > intentionally ignored when not in object navigation mode because they're > "just distractions" in a number of circumstances. But under the newer > Windows UI the use of objects has increased compared to the old days. I'm > still trying to get really up to speed on object navigation myself. As an > aside, I believe that the JAWS analogous construct is the touch cursor, but > I could be wrong on that. > > These two references may prove to be helpful: > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Unravel the enigma of NVDA Object Nav. - COOL BLIND TECH ( > https://coolblindtech.com/unravel-the-enigma-of-nvda-object-nav/ ) (podcast, > downloadable but also playable on that website) > > and > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > NVDA review cursor and object navigation. - HANIF.CO ( > https://hanif.co/dl/NVDA%20review%20cursor%20and%20object%20navigation.m4a ) > (audio presentation previously recorded on June 4, 2020) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 > > I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. > The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, > which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the > clearest indicator of who you are. > > ~ Brian Vogel > > > > > > |
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Re: speech rate changes to defaults
Gene
For accuracy and completeness, I should add that its possible something
might go wrong with NVDA and no settings would be saved when they are saved
either automatically or manually. That is very unlikely and since no
settings would be saved, that would likely have been discussed if it were the
cause of the problem.
Aside from that, the only time I can think of automatic saving not working
where manual saving would is if the program crashes on exit. If it crashes
too soon, the automatic savings function might not have run before the
crash.
Gene -----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to
defaults No. You said to save the settings manually, which the user did.
the problem occurred after the settings were saved. You appear to be
saying that the automatic save the settings would save the wrong settings after
the settngs are manually saved. It won’t. When you manually save the
settings, the new settings replace the old ones in the configuration file.
Shutting down the machine will not cause old settings to replace the nhhew
ones. They no longer exist.
Gene
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From: Chris via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to
defaults So I was right then ,
From: Gene
Also, the person tried your solution yesterday and the problem recurred.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Gene via groups.io Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults
That is an unsupported assumption. Nothing was said indicating that. Without asking, you don’t know if that is the case. Also, if the change occurred while the program is running, the person would, assumedly, reset the incorrect setting.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Chris via groups.io Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults
But if its set to save automatically on exit then whatever is causing the settings to be changed is occurring whilst using nvda is running , so when the nvda is set to save on exit then it will save the change at that moment in time
From: Gene
That will accomplish nothing. The default behavior of NVDA is to save settings on exit. So, if the default is being used, any time the program was exited or Windows was shut down, closing the program, the changes would have been saved after they were made. Manually saving them before closing the program accomplishes nothing but saving them manually, not automatically. You are just saving them earlier.
If the program isn’t set to save automatically, you are manually saving the settings applying your suggestion, so they are being saved either way.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Chris via groups.io Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults
Make sure the option to save configuration on nvda exit is unchecked Then again set your desired setting and save
So whatever happens nvda should start with your saved configuration now
From: George
Kerscher
Hi,
It happened again this morning. My configuration was saved. It seems that only the rate reverts to 9 on the rate setting.
Any thoughts?
Best George
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via
groups.io
Try saving the configuration after you have set it to what you want it to be set at
From: George
Kerscher
Hello,
On 2021.1, I will be working and the speech rate changes to the default rate of 9. I have been going to the desktop and then go to the speech preferences and set the rate to 24 or 25, which I like. It then works for a long time until it does this again.
Just a bug or any other thoughts? Using Microsoft core voices, because my Eloquence is not working yet.
Best George
George Kerscher Ph.D. -In our Information Age, access to information is a fundamental human right. Chief Innovations Officer, DAISY Consortium Senior Advisor, Global Literacy, Benetech President, International Digital Publishing Forum (IDPF) Member of the National Museum and Library Services Board (IMLS) Chair Steering Council Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI), at W3C Phone: +1 406/549-4687 Cell:+1 406/544-2466 Email: kerscher@...
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Re: What exactly is an "object"?
Jujube
That's good to know, thanks :)
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Re: speech rate changes to defaults
Chris
I was actually saying if the save on configuration on exit was checked then even if he saved the settings manually and then continued doing whatever he does causing the setting to change in that time , it would then save the new setting on exit
Thats it now end of discussion
From: Gene
Sent: 17 July 2021 19:20 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults
No. You said to save the settings manually, which the user did. the problem occurred after the settings were saved. You appear to be saying that the automatic save the settings would save the wrong settings after the settngs are manually saved. It won’t. When you manually save the settings, the new settings replace the old ones in the configuration file. Shutting down the machine will not cause old settings to replace the nhhew ones. They no longer exist.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Chris via groups.io Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults
So I was right then ,
From: Gene
Also, the person tried your solution yesterday and the problem recurred.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Gene via groups.io Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults
That is an unsupported assumption. Nothing was said indicating that. Without asking, you don’t know if that is the case. Also, if the change occurred while the program is running, the person would, assumedly, reset the incorrect setting.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Chris via groups.io Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults
But if its set to save automatically on exit then whatever is causing the settings to be changed is occurring whilst using nvda is running , so when the nvda is set to save on exit then it will save the change at that moment in time
From: Gene
That will accomplish nothing. The default behavior of NVDA is to save settings on exit. So, if the default is being used, any time the program was exited or Windows was shut down, closing the program, the changes would have been saved after they were made. Manually saving them before closing the program accomplishes nothing but saving them manually, not automatically. You are just saving them earlier.
If the program isn’t set to save automatically, you are manually saving the settings applying your suggestion, so they are being saved either way.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Chris via groups.io Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] speech rate changes to defaults
Make sure the option to save configuration on nvda exit is unchecked Then again set your desired setting and save
So whatever happens nvda should start with your saved configuration now
From: George Kerscher
Hi,
It happened again this morning. My configuration was saved. It seems that only the rate reverts to 9 on the rate setting.
Any thoughts?
Best George
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Try saving the configuration after you have set it to what you want it to be set at
From: George Kerscher
Hello,
On 2021.1, I will be working and the speech rate changes to the default rate of 9. I have been going to the desktop and then go to the speech preferences and set the rate to 24 or 25, which I like. It then works for a long time until it does this again.
Just a bug or any other thoughts? Using Microsoft core voices, because my Eloquence is not working yet.
Best George
George Kerscher Ph.D. -In our Information Age, access to information is a fundamental human right. Chief Innovations Officer, DAISY Consortium Senior Advisor, Global Literacy, Benetech President, International Digital Publishing Forum (IDPF) Member of the National Museum and Library Services Board (IMLS) Chair Steering Council Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI), at W3C Phone: +1 406/549-4687 Cell:+1 406/544-2466 Email: kerscher@...
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