Hi,
You cannot install OneCore voices on versions other than Windows 10.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 11:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a couple questions sparked by recent topics

hi quentin.
about microsoft onecore voices,
is it possible that we can install them on any version of windows as exe?
also, does it still need changing the registry?
or does it need downloading these voices, or its installed in all
versions of windows ten by default?

On 5/4/21, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Hi Bob,

1) Windows OneCore Voices are higher quality and more responsive than
SAPI5, and are the ones actively being worked on by Microsoft. SAPI5
is an older standard which is still widely used so you may find some
third party software (such as Balabolka for instance) which can use
SAPI 5 voices, but not OneCore voices.

2) Speech and beeps is mostly used by people leaving the computer to
perform a long task, who want to hear when it is finished, but don't
want to hear it talking all the time. If you don't have a need for
this mode, there is a NoBeepsSpeechMode add-on which disables it:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/noBeepsSpeechMode.en.html

Quentin.

On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 10:36 AM Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
wrote:

Hi all,
Two questions, both having been sparked by recent topics:
1. What's the difference between Windows One Core voices and Sapi5
voices? It seems I have the same voices with both systems, with the
addition to One Core of Mark.
2. I'm not sure I understand the speech and beeps setting that
NVDA+S toggles to? What's the difference between that and the beeps
you get with a progress bar?
Thanks,
Bob

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On May 7, 2021, at 7:05 AM, Greg Epley <greg.epley64@...> wrote:

I can't vouch for NVDA, but have been using 1Password with JAWS since 2018 or so. I used to use LastPass since it was free, but grew tired of the different ways I had to access it depending on what browser I was using, and finally decided a paid option was preferable.

For the most part, whichever password manager you go with should work under most decent screen readers so long as the password manager is coded with standard OS function. In other words, isn't coded in "eye candy" style for sighted users, like all those iTunes helpers for Windows. I can't say I've had too many problems getting to anything in 1Password, other than when doing an edit on a login, where I've found if I tab one too many times, I suddenly can't get back to any earlier point. My workaround for that has been to either not tab one too many times, or else shift-tab backward up through fields. It's a bit crazy, but it works, and there's always the option of using a web browser to edit entries. However, having said all that, my experience has been that once you get a login set up properly, there's rarely any need to edit a login. Kind of a set it and forget it sort of thing.

I LOVE the 1Password app for iPhone, especially with FaceID. I was previously having to type in my master password on the phone, but now, most times, all I need do is let FaceID do its thing and I'm in and moving along.

-Greg Epley

On 5/6/2021 6:44 PM, ely.r@... wrote:

Evening you NVDA experts.

 

I am overwhelmed by the numbers of passwords needed to do my work. I have to many little Word files each with a secret spell to enter some web site or to start a program. I know there are password managers that promise to ease my anxiety, but I have no idea which of them to trust. 

So, good doctors out there, does anyone use a reliable password manager that is accessible to NVDA, easy to use and will not send all those secret words out into the Ethernet. 

 

Will your suggestions   be based on at least three months of experience, will your suggested manager work in most situations demanding a PW, and will it be easy to edit when needed?

 

Yes, I know there are drugs for anxiety. I am using those already. They have not fixed the password challenge.

 

Best, Rick and General, Guide Dog Extraordinaire ,

On May 6, 2021, at 7:26 PM, Thomas N. Chan <thomas.nathan.chan@...> wrote:



It used to be basic html view is the best for screen reader but google has improve tremendously  I dare to say, at least 5 years or so.

the standard view is slow and clunky  and sometimes it just didn't load properly. but thats long time ago when I first started to use more than 10 years ago.

Regards,

Thomas N. Chan

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No issues. I've loaded over 200 messages in my junk folder and have jumped with k to each successive one.

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On 6 May 2021, at 6:40, Nimer Jaber wrote:

Hello,

No, I am not noticing this. Which browser are you using? And, which version of NVDA? There have been improvements made to the responsiveness of Gmail, particularly in the new beta, though they can be toggled on experimentally in the developer settings of NVDA, and I don't remember seeing this issue before anyway.

You can change the number of conversations on a page. I do have mine set to 100.

On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 6:18 AM Jonathan Milam <milamj@...> wrote:

Thanks, Nimer.  This is perfect.  In the standard view, is anyone else seeing that NVDA seems to pause after every 10 messages?  It’s almost like it is waiting for 10 more messages to load.  Is this something that is changeable?

 

Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 7:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using gmail with "Basic HTML view" vs. "standard view"

 

Once you open the message, press n. Then, if you want to read the message in more detail, press insert+space to go into browse mode, then navigate as you would a web page.

 

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 3:28 PM Jonathan Milam <milamj@...> wrote:

What is the easiest way to navigate quickly to the body of a message in the GMAIL interface with NVDA?

 

On May 5, 2021, at 6:17 PM, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:



Hello,

 

Navigate to settings, see all settings, and under the general tax, close to the bottom, there are radio buttons for turning on and off keyboard shortcuts. I do wish this was easier, nonetheless that is the process. It may be good to utilize screen reader find to find these controls.

 

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 3:01 PM Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, Nimer,

 

This sounds like a great thing to learn. How do you turn on the shortcut keys in gmail? I tried looking for it but couldn't find it.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

On 5/5/2021 1:50 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:

Hello,

 

If Brian gets upset, we'll tell him to get over himself, but this topic is very dear to me, so we can make an exception, I am sure, for discussing non-NVDA topics on this list, although I will do my best to make it relate to NVDA.

 

Trainers are behind the curve on teaching people how to use web apps. Web app developers are creating these wonderful new accessible web apps, and blind people are still stuck with the old, non-web apps. This is a shame, a complete shame.

 

First, I recommend using Gmail on the web instead of Outlook as it does not require an office subscription. It does not require configuring and setting up of email clients. It can be used on any machine with a web browser. It is not necessarily screen reader specific, so for the most part, what works with JAWS will work with NVDA, will work with Narrator, will work with Orca, will work with Voiceover. About the only thing you must know is how to switch between browse and focus mode, or your particular screen reader's name for that command.

 

Why do I say that using Gmail with the standard interface is better than even the basic HTML mode? Because it is much more efficient to traverse through the email list, as long as keyboard shortcuts are turned on and learned. Press up/down arrow to move up and down the list. Press x to select messages. Press e or y to archive messages. Press # to delete them. Press enter to open a thread. Press n to read the next message in the thread, press p to read the prior message in the thread. Press r to reply, a to reply all, f to forward, b to snooze a message and act on it later. Press / to search the messages, and easily type the label name where that message can be found, such as in:sent or in:trash. Easily move messages and sort them into labels and bundles. Easily create events and tasks from emails. Easily chat with, and create meetings with people you wish to interact with, and do so right from Gmail if you wish. Press c to compose, press ctrl+shift+c to 'cc' and press ctrl+shift+b to BCC. Press ctrl+enter to send, ctrl+shift+d to discard. Press lots of commands to format text, create bulleted and numbered lists, adjust blockquote indentations, move to misspelled words, etc. Press tab to look through spelling and grammar suggestions, etc., etc. You can easily find a list of these keyboard shortcuts by pressing ? when logged into Gmail. If you don't like the shortcuts, you can create your own in the Gmail settings. And, much of what you learn can be applied to other sites, too. For instance, on Facebook and on Twitter, keyboard shortcuts exist to accomplish many tasks and to navigate to where you want to go, on YouTube Music and spottify, shortcuts exist to control music playback, and so on. Basic HTML mode doesn't have or allow for these shortcuts.

 

I wish trainers would touch more on web apps, but many still believe that the best way for people to access Gmail is through basic HTML, the best way to check email is with Outlook, and the best thing since sliced bread is a BrailleNote. Technology trainers can be some of the most difficult people to work with because many, not all, are so entrenched in what they know how to teach, how they learned to teach it, and what they themselves are using, that they refuse to open their minds to the possibility that there is a different way of teaching, a new standard out, new types of devices that may benefit people more than what they have been accustomed to. It's the same attitude that won't even show blind people an Android device, instead choosing that iOS is superior and should work best for everyone, never mind the needs and desires of the person they are working with.

 

So, if I can accomplish anything by sending this off-topic thread, and this babble, it is to get people to at least try to step out of the box, try something you may not be comfortable with, and accept that there may be tools and methods out there which will enhance your productivity and make your life easier that don't require struggling with Outlook and Thunderbird. By the way, I don't know if it is because checking email is so popular or what, but I tend to see more email-related qupestions across the varying tech lists with people struggling with Outlook and Thunderbird than pretty much anything else, and very few are using webmail, have given it a fair shot, and still fewer are using webmail through the standard interfaces. Google Docs is accessible, Gmail standard is accessible, Office 365 online web version is accessible, they may require a bit of a learning curve, but they are accessible and usable, and those tools tend to see the most work put into them these days in terms of accessibility and usability across many companies, simply because those tools can be used on Chromebooks, Macs, Linux, Windows, etc., without requiring separate desktop apps. All that is required is a browser and an Internet connection (not even a very fast one.)

 

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 1:28 PM Louise Pfau <lpfau@...> wrote:

Hi.  I find it easier to navigate the gmail interface with “Basic HTML view” vs. “Standard view”.  This is probably due to the fact that when I was first taught how to set up and work with my gmail account, I was instructed to use “Basic HTML view” in order to get the most accessible interface. I know this is not strictly related to NVDA though.

 

Louise

 

 

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I use it all the time and it works quickly and totally accurately.

Rich De Steno

You can do that but that is less efficient and a more cluttered way to do this.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Rich DeSteno

Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 10:49 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

 

Change the NVDA settings to say "cap" when an upper case letter is typed.  You will never be in doubt again.

 

Rich De Steno

On 5/6/2021 10:18 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:

Hi.  I use the “Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard” voice from the “English Canada” pack with NVDA.  My uppercase pitch change is set to the default of 30, but when I enter or navigate to upercase characters, there doesn’t appear to be a pitch change.  I find “Microsoft Richard” to be the most expressive of the “Windows OneCore” voices that I have installed.  Has anyone else come across something like this with any of the other “Windows OneCore” voices?

 

Thanks,

 

Louise

Evening you NVDA experts.

 

I am overwhelmed by the numbers of passwords needed to do my work. I have to many little Word files each with a secret spell to enter some web site or to start a program. I know there are password managers that promise to ease my anxiety, but I have no idea which of them to trust.

So, good doctors out there, does anyone use a reliable password manager that is accessible to NVDA, easy to use and will not send all those secret words out into the Ethernet.

 

Will your suggestions   be based on at least three months of experience, will your suggested manager work in most situations demanding a PW, and will it be easy to edit when needed?

 

Yes, I know there are drugs for anxiety. I am using those already. They have not fixed the password challenge.

 

Best, Rick and General, Guide Dog Extraordinaire ,

You can do that but that is less efficient and a more cluttered way to do this.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Rich DeSteno

Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 10:49 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

 

Change the NVDA settings to say "cap" when an upper case letter is typed.  You will never be in doubt again.

 

Rich De Steno

On 5/6/2021 10:18 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:

Hi.  I use the “Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard” voice from the “English Canada” pack with NVDA.  My uppercase pitch change is set to the default of 30, but when I enter or navigate to upercase characters, there doesn’t appear to be a pitch change.  I find “Microsoft Richard” to be the most expressive of the “Windows OneCore” voices that I have installed.  Has anyone else come across something like this with any of the other “Windows OneCore” voices?

 

Thanks,

 

Louise

Hi,
You cannot install OneCore voices on versions other than Windows 10.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 11:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a couple questions sparked by recent topics

hi quentin.
about microsoft onecore voices,
is it possible that we can install them on any version of windows as exe?
also, does it still need changing the registry?
or does it need downloading these voices, or its installed in all
versions of windows ten by default?

On 5/4/21, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Hi Bob,

1) Windows OneCore Voices are higher quality and more responsive than
SAPI5, and are the ones actively being worked on by Microsoft. SAPI5
is an older standard which is still widely used so you may find some
third party software (such as Balabolka for instance) which can use
SAPI 5 voices, but not OneCore voices.

2) Speech and beeps is mostly used by people leaving the computer to
perform a long task, who want to hear when it is finished, but don't
want to hear it talking all the time. If you don't have a need for
this mode, there is a NoBeepsSpeechMode add-on which disables it:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/noBeepsSpeechMode.en.html

Quentin.

On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 10:36 AM Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
wrote:

Hi all,
Two questions, both having been sparked by recent topics:
1. What's the difference between Windows One Core voices and Sapi5
voices? It seems I have the same voices with both systems, with the
addition to One Core of Mark.
2. I'm not sure I understand the speech and beeps setting that
NVDA+S toggles to? What's the difference between that and the beeps
you get with a progress bar?
Thanks,
Bob

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Hi,
You cannot install OneCore voices on versions other than Windows 10.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 11:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a couple questions sparked by recent topics

hi quentin.
about microsoft onecore voices,
is it possible that we can install them on any version of windows as exe?
also, does it still need changing the registry?
or does it need downloading these voices, or its installed in all versions
of windows ten by default?

On 5/4/21, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Hi Bob,

1) Windows OneCore Voices are higher quality and more responsive than
SAPI5, and are the ones actively being worked on by Microsoft. SAPI5
is an older standard which is still widely used so you may find some
third party software (such as Balabolka for instance) which can use
SAPI 5 voices, but not OneCore voices.

2) Speech and beeps is mostly used by people leaving the computer to
perform a long task, who want to hear when it is finished, but don't
want to hear it talking all the time. If you don't have a need for
this mode, there is a NoBeepsSpeechMode add-on which disables it:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/noBeepsSpeechMode.en.html

Quentin.

On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 10:36 AM Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
wrote:

Hi all,
Two questions, both having been sparked by recent topics:
1. What's the difference between Windows One Core voices and Sapi5
voices? It seems I have the same voices with both systems, with the
addition to One Core of Mark.
2. I'm not sure I understand the speech and beeps setting that NVDA+S
toggles to? What's the difference between that and the beeps you get
with a progress bar?
Thanks,
Bob

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>

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By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali