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locked Re: question about the Jim kitchen games and sorry for not sending to the chat line

Bryan Mckinnish
 

Hi.

From what I remember, the instructions are in the same directory is the game.

You might find one called baseball.txt or trivia.txt, etc.

I'll have to check and see if I'm correct about that.

Bryan Mckinnish


On 8/31/2021 10:26 AM, Dan Thompson wrote:

I am very sorry for not sending this request to the chat email.  My email had to be reset and I lost that email address.

I work with several blind and low vision senior citizens.  They really like accessible games.  I recent downloaded the kitchen sink games.  However, does anyone know where I can download the documentation such as the special keys for each game.  I know you can read the special keys when opening each game.  But I can’t select the text to print or braille it out.  Any help would genuinely appreciated!


locked question about the Jim kitchen games and sorry for not sending to the chat line

Dan Thompson
 

I am very sorry for not sending this request to the chat email.  My email had to be reset and I lost that email address.

I work with several blind and low vision senior citizens.  They really like accessible games.  I recent downloaded the kitchen sink games.  However, does anyone know where I can download the documentation such as the special keys for each game.  I know you can read the special keys when opening each game.  But I can’t select the text to print or braille it out.  Any help would genuinely appreciated!


Re: Outlook Training Error

Chris Smart
 

Hi.

 

Here’s what I’ve jotted down so far as I work through the module. I’m only about halfway through, and I’m not sure which of these are actual issues or a matter of misreading things on my part, i.e. operator error.

 

NOTE: The following possible errors were encountered while working through your Outlook training, while using Outlook version 16.0.14326.20216.

A general comment: Lists, like the table of contents, are not formatted correctly in the epub version, at least when read using QRead 3.21 for Windows. Could these be put one item per line, or even turned into hyperlinks, if the EPUB format supports it?

 

2.4 Sending Email: Duplicate sentence.

“After writing and double checking a message, press alt+s to send it. Once sent, the message cannot be cancelled. After writing and double checking a message, it is ready to be sent. To send a message, press alt+s. Once a message has been sent, it can generally not be recalled.”

 

2.7 Reading Messages

You repeat yourself in the paragraph about message sorting.

The default message order is to have the newest at the top and the oldest at the bottom. To reverse this sort order, press alt+v, then r, then s. The sort order can also be changed to another field. Sort by subject to have messages sorted by their subject line, alphabetically. Messages can also be sorted by sender, recipient, and many other fields. Press alt+v, then a, then b to choose the field messages are arranged by. This opens a menu where the field to sort by can be chosen. If desired, reverse the sort order with alt+v, then r, then s.”

 

3.6 Using BCC

Press alt+p to open the Options ribbon, then b to activate the BCC option.”

While editing a message ALT+P does indeed open the Options ribbon, but B doesn’t seem to do anything.

 

4.6 Recurring Appointments:

When editing an appointment, press alt+h, then e to open the "Appointment Recurrence" dialog.”

I get an error chime when I press the E in that key sequence.

 

4.8 Using Multiple Calendars:

To add a new calendar, press alt+h, then o, then c.”

I can’t get that to work.

 

 

I hope to get through the rest of the module today.

 

Chris

 


Re: Outlook Training Error

Quentin Christensen
 

I'm sure it was still there a little while ago.  Certainly it was unchanged in 2019 when the Outlook module was first released, but looks like I'll need to update it now :)

TBH, I can't actually recall exactly how that ribbon used to look compared to know to know what they've moved or likely added and so pushed that into a submenu to make room.


On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 12:47 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
This is actually the first thing I've heard of, that was an existing feature in Word 2016, that has been changed in 365.  All versions of Office since 2016 are built, directly, on the 2016 code.  Mostly it's been added "bells and whistles," leaving existing functionality very largely untouched.  Apparently that's not the case here.
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Re: Outlook Training Error

 

This is actually the first thing I've heard of, that was an existing feature in Word 2016, that has been changed in 365.  All versions of Office since 2016 are built, directly, on the 2016 code.  Mostly it's been added "bells and whistles," leaving existing functionality very largely untouched.  Apparently that's not the case here.
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Re: Outlook Training Error

Quentin Christensen
 

For the first question - where to send errors in the training material - to me please :)  I mean you can ask here as well, and hopefully get an answer to something you are having trouble getting to work, but I'm the one who can fix the training material.  info@....

In this case, it is more a case of an option which has moved than an error when the material was written.  In my Office 365, the option is still on the Options ribbon (alt+p), but now it is in a "..." menu.  You need to press alt+p, then 0, then 0, to open that, then b for bcc.  Interesting, in some ribbon-menus like that in Office, you could press the key for the option inside the menu and it would work, but not in this case, even though nothing else uses "b".

Of course, in a ribbon with 8 buttons like the options ribbon, I really can't understand why seven of them require two keys.  I think some of it is consistency - the options for colours and fonts etc, are the same keys as they are on the design ribbon in Word (T for themes, then C for colours for instance).  I still think they could be designed better, although now if they did, they would have to decide how much backward compatibility to incorporate...

Quentin.

On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 9:55 AM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

Yep I also have office 365 as well. I remember having to do something but that key  stroke was not it.

 

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 4:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Training Error

 

Crap.

I honestly didn't know there was that big a difference between the two products.

 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie

Sent: August 30, 2021 7:12 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Training Error

 

Yes.

 

On 8/30/21, Chris Smart <ve3rwj@...> wrote:

> Hmm.

> 

> 

> 

> Ok, here’s a thought.

> 

> When I go to Files > Microsoft Account > About Outlook, I read that I

> have Outlook for Office 365, version 16.0.14326.20164.

> 

> 

> 

> Is there a non-365 version and that is what this training is for?

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian

> Vogel

> Sent: August 30, 2021 6:53 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Training Error

> 

> 

> 

> Chris,

> 

> I can't explain that.  But what they document is the toggle for the

> BCC field and does work on my machine, and has worked on many others

> elsewhere in the past.

> --

> 

> Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

> 

> Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and

> conscientious stupidity.

> 

>          ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>

> 

> 

> 

 

 

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Re: Don't want NVDA announce punctuation marks

Quentin Christensen
 

NVDA+p works in both laptop and desktop mode to cycle the punctuation level.  You can also edit the level for any given symbol using the punctuation / symbol pronunciation dialog in the preferences menu.  I put some information on that in our In-Process blog a couple of months ago: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-30th-april-2021/#SymbolPronunciation

Another thing you can do is set different punctuation levels in different programs using configuration profiles, and I included a piece about that just a couple of week's ago: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-19th-august-2021/#Profiles

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 3:38 AM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

Why not hit nvda plus p, at least in laptop mode. This will cycle between the options.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 6:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Don't want NVDA announce punctuation marks

 

Hi

Use NVDA+Control+v to open the voice dialog, tab down to “Symbol and Punctuation level”  and experiment with the different settings until you find an acceptable level.          I use “Most” which doesn’t interfere with the text flow for me.

 

 

Cheers  Chris     

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: soloman s
Sent: 30 August 2021 14:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Don't want NVDA announce punctuation marks

 

Hello all,

I find it interrupting the reading flow when NVDA  announces

punctuation marks everytime.

I want the feature turned off, please help.

 

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Solomon S

teachsolo@...

 

 

 

 

 



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Re: Outlook Training Error

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yep I also have office 365 as well. I remember having to do something but that key  stroke was not it.

 

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 4:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Training Error

 

Crap.

I honestly didn't know there was that big a difference between the two products.

 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie

Sent: August 30, 2021 7:12 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Training Error

 

Yes.

 

On 8/30/21, Chris Smart <ve3rwj@...> wrote:

> Hmm.

> Ok, here’s a thought.

> When I go to Files > Microsoft Account > About Outlook, I read that I

> have Outlook for Office 365, version 16.0.14326.20164.

> Is there a non-365 version and that is what this training is for?

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian

> Vogel

> Sent: August 30, 2021 6:53 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Training Error

> Chris,

> I can't explain that.  But what they document is the toggle for the

> BCC field and does work on my machine, and has worked on many others

> elsewhere in the past.

> --

> Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

> Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and

> conscientious stupidity.

>          ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

>

 

 

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Re: Outlook Training Error

Chris Smart
 

Crap.
I honestly didn't know there was that big a difference between the two products.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: August 30, 2021 7:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Training Error

Yes.

On 8/30/21, Chris Smart <ve3rwj@winsystem.org> wrote:
Hmm.



Ok, here’s a thought.

When I go to Files > Microsoft Account > About Outlook, I read that I
have Outlook for Office 365, version 16.0.14326.20164.



Is there a non-365 version and that is what this training is for?









From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian
Vogel
Sent: August 30, 2021 6:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Training Error



Chris,

I can't explain that. But what they document is the toggle for the
BCC field and does work on my machine, and has worked on many others
elsewhere in the past.
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conscientious stupidity.

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Re: Outlook Training Error

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually I can’t get it to work either. I press alt p which brings me to an options tab but pressing b does not a thing here. And I’m doing this from this message window I’m writing in.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 3:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Training Error

 

Yes, I do Tab and Shift+Tab around to see if BCC has appeared or disappeared. It doesn’t seem to appear.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: August 30, 2021 4:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Training Error

 

On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 03:50 PM, Chris Smart wrote:

While editing a message such as this one, ALT+P does indeed open the Options ribbon, but B doesn’t seem to do anything.

-
Not having the entire context, I cannot absolutely say whether or not there is an error, but I doubt it.  When in the Compose window, ALT + P, B, toggles the presence/absence of the BCC field as one of the edit boxes available for putting addresses in.  The default setup is only to show To and CC.

Focus is not thrown to the BCC field when you toggle it on (or off, as it would disappear then) so NVDA is not announcing anything.  You'd have to navigate back to it before it were to be announced.   That might be worth noting in the training material, since it is the exception, not the rule, that focus doesn't land in the BCC field at all when you toggle its presence on.
 
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Re: Outlook Training Error

Jackie
 

Yes.

On 8/30/21, Chris Smart <ve3rwj@winsystem.org> wrote:
Hmm.



Ok, here’s a thought.

When I go to Files > Microsoft Account > About Outlook, I read that I have
Outlook for Office 365, version 16.0.14326.20164.



Is there a non-365 version and that is what this training is for?









From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: August 30, 2021 6:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Training Error



Chris,

I can't explain that. But what they document is the toggle for the BCC
field and does work on my machine, and has worked on many others elsewhere
in the past.
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Re: Outlook Training Error

Chris Smart
 

Hmm.

 

Ok, here’s a thought.

When I go to Files > Microsoft Account > About Outlook, I read that I have Outlook for Office 365, version 16.0.14326.20164.

 

Is there a non-365 version and that is what this training is for?

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: August 30, 2021 6:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Training Error

 

Chris,

I can't explain that.  But what they document is the toggle for the BCC field and does work on my machine, and has worked on many others elsewhere in the past.
--

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Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

 


Re: Outlook Training Error

 

Chris,

I can't explain that.  But what they document is the toggle for the BCC field and does work on my machine, and has worked on many others elsewhere in the past.
--

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Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

         ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

 


Re: Outlook Training Error

Chris Smart
 

Yes, I do Tab and Shift+Tab around to see if BCC has appeared or disappeared. It doesn’t seem to appear.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: August 30, 2021 4:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Training Error

 

On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 03:50 PM, Chris Smart wrote:

While editing a message such as this one, ALT+P does indeed open the Options ribbon, but B doesn’t seem to do anything.

-
Not having the entire context, I cannot absolutely say whether or not there is an error, but I doubt it.  When in the Compose window, ALT + P, B, toggles the presence/absence of the BCC field as one of the edit boxes available for putting addresses in.  The default setup is only to show To and CC.

Focus is not thrown to the BCC field when you toggle it on (or off, as it would disappear then) so NVDA is not announcing anything.  You'd have to navigate back to it before it were to be announced.   That might be worth noting in the training material, since it is the exception, not the rule, that focus doesn't land in the BCC field at all when you toggle its presence on.
 
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Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

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Re: Outlook Training Error

 

On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 03:50 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
While editing a message such as this one, ALT+P does indeed open the Options ribbon, but B doesn’t seem to do anything.
-
Not having the entire context, I cannot absolutely say whether or not there is an error, but I doubt it.  When in the Compose window, ALT + P, B, toggles the presence/absence of the BCC field as one of the edit boxes available for putting addresses in.  The default setup is only to show To and CC.

Focus is not thrown to the BCC field when you toggle it on (or off, as it would disappear then) so NVDA is not announcing anything.  You'd have to navigate back to it before it were to be announced.   That might be worth noting in the training material, since it is the exception, not the rule, that focus doesn't land in the BCC field at all when you toggle its presence on.
 
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Outlook Training Error

Chris Smart
 

Generally, where should I send possible mistakes in the NVDA Basic Training modules?

 

I’m pretty sure I found one in the Outlook training. The sentence in question says:

Press alt+p to open the Options ribbon, then b to activate the BCC option.”

 

While editing a message such as this one, ALT+P does indeed open the Options ribbon, but B doesn’t seem to do anything.

 

Chris

 


Re: The use of Docusign and NVDA

Mary Otten
 

I have also used docusign, and with firefox and nvda. No problems. I have not created documents either.

On 8/30/2021 12:22 PM, David Csercsics wrote:
I have used docusign to sign several things. I have found though, that it doesn't work well with NVDA and firefox, but I got it to work good with Edge. I have not created documents, but I have signed them fine.






Re: The use of Docusign and NVDA

David Csercsics
 

I have used docusign to sign several things. I have found though, that it doesn't work well with NVDA and firefox, but I got it to work good with Edge. I have not created documents, but I have signed them fine.


The use of Docusign and NVDA

Dave Grossoehme
 

Hi:  Has anyone used NVDA with Docusign?  If so, has anyone used the remote option or application for Docusign?

Dave


Re: latest version number

David Csercsics
 

The latest appears to be NVDA 2021.2beta1. I just checked for updates and found none waiting.

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