- Oh, I can believe that. But, in an effort to perhaps make you less frustrated, a lot of times for a sighted person, even when we're working with someone who's blind, and we know all this will still

All I can say to that is that you were taught incorrectly. Millions of your brain cells are being wasted by imagining a mouse pulling down menus when you use the keyboard. This is when forced empathy

Hi, Rosemary. activate or hit enter on that particular item. I rarely use the term click unless I'm helping someone sighted. The other day I was helping a friend to download a music file he got from

- Orlando, you cad! Giving people more comas than they should have, which is ideally none, is just plain cruel!! ;-) [Sorry, but this was just too easy and too hard to resist!] -- Brian -

- Orlando, I do not think that this is, necessarily, what Sarah is saying nor what I have been trying to say as well. It's not an issue of supremacy, it's an issue of ubiquity. I have met a rare few

You are uncommonly and exceedingly wise. The most annoying inanity I experience as a blind bard in a sighted world is the presumption that I should be able to understand color. She doesn't even take

Way to go, Brian! Thank you for putting her in her place. I won't say anything more. Rosemarie

Dear heart, there's a vital difference between using an acquired term and actually thinking in that terminology. Although I do talk about "watching movies" or "looking for a shirt," I know full well

- But, Sarah, the only way you can do that is if you, at one time, had enough vision to even have "visual images" as a concept. Those totally blind since birth do not think visually in the way I do,

Agreed. [snip] Before you post your question(s) to the list, please search the group archives or do a google search. This prevents the cycle of repeated messages. It also teaches you the user to

That might be true, however the action of pressing alt t will in fact make me mentally picture the mouse clicking the tools icon at the top of the menu bar. It will then pull down to reveal more

- And that is entirely irrelevant. The only way you get good at doing searches is practice. And if anyone happens to say, "I've tried to find this but have had zero luck," then that at least

Sarah, if you can read even one icon, I'll spread out my arms and take to the sky. You don't *read icons*; your screen reader translates icons into words. Turn off your screen reader and see how many

I actually took a music test with the staff alone, learned how to read it with my fingers. I'm in a sighted world. By the way I got a 79 on the printed test . I needed a 70 to pass. I also learned

- Sorry, Mike, but I have to disagree, and not just in reference to blind groups/lists, though I see what follows happen more frequently on them. Anyone, before they impose upon the time of over a

Is that so? Let's test whether your supposed inner thought actually works. Turn off your screen reader and stow away your keyboard, leaving nothing but a silent computer and a mouse. What would

I agree. Not everybody is good at doing searches. Sometimes you could search unless you're blue in the face and you don't always find good results.

OMG, if someone asks me a question, I will answer it, telling someone to look it up or research it, is rude!

LOL! At least she didn't dictate it without punctuation.

OK, ladies and gentlemen. I was not kidding: Do NOT continue to topic split, or I will end up locking all these topics. Keep it on the original topic, into which this will be merged. This is not a