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Re: test message

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Its the middle of the night here, but could not sleep so decided to do some work on one of the machines to get it on the list. Only four more to go...:-)

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 3:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] test message


Hi Brian,
Glad to see you here (your message came through).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account [mailto:bglists@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 7:03 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] test message

And this is a test of a test to see if replies work the same.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Mehler" <dave.mehler@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 10:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] test message


Hello,

This is a test message to see if this gets to the list.

Thanks.
Dave.







Re: nvda still will not read

Arlene
 

Loll! Feed him to the shark!

 

From: marvin kotler [mailto:m.kotler53@...]
Sent: March-04-16 5:39 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda still will not read

 

This is Marv here again.  I am using laptop layout just like in jaws.  When I use insert plus downarrow, nvda just reads a little bit; a line or so.  Any other tricks I can try; should I feed him LOL.


Re: Will feed him anyway

marvin kotler
 

I got him to read, but I think I will feed him to the shark at least 17 times.

From: Arlene
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda still will not read
 

Loll! Feed him to the shark!

 

From: marvin kotler [mailto:m.kotler53@...]
Sent: March-04-16 5:39 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda still will not read

 

This is Marv here again.  I am using laptop layout just like in jaws.  When I use insert plus downarrow, nvda just reads a little bit; a line or so.  Any other tricks I can try; should I feed him LOL.

 


Re: Will feed him anyway

Arlene
 

Loll! Here he comes waiting for another bite!

 

From: marvin kotler [mailto:m.kotler53@...]
Sent: March-04-16 8:02 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Re: Will feed him anyway

 

I got him to read, but I think I will feed him to the shark at least 17 times.

From: Arlene

Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 7:46 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda still will not read

 

Loll! Feed him to the shark!

 

From: marvin kotler [mailto:m.kotler53@...]
Sent: March-04-16 5:39 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda still will not read

 

This is Marv here again.  I am using laptop layout just like in jaws.  When I use insert plus downarrow, nvda just reads a little bit; a line or so.  Any other tricks I can try; should I feed him LOL.

 


Re: Moderator's warning (surprise, sharks are friendly too): Will feed him anyway #adminnotice

 

Hello Arlene, Marvin and others,

For Marvin: don’t worry, this message isn’t directed at you.

Recently, some on social media sent harsh messages to a consulting agency about one of their products, and some went so far as use derogatory terms in order to harass some. As I outlined in a recent open letter to NVDA community (see the link below), if there is one thing I’ll not accept from this community, it is name calling. To some, jokes are fine, but to those targeted, they may question self-worth. Although my letter was aimed for those using social media, this applies to this list as well. I’ll reiterate what I said in that letter: as it stands now, the reputation of this community, and in extension, NVDA itself is in jeopardy due to our attitudes, words and actions in the past. Don’t take this warning lightly: the reputation of NVDA is shaped by you: your attitudes, words and actions, just as your support, enthusiasm, promotion and help shapes the reputation of this community-driven screen reader.

I’ll not close this thread today. But as I’m known for showing mercy and being serious about my own words at the same time, I’d like to make it clear one thing: this is a public forum that can be searched from all over the world, so please be careful with what you say.

 

Reference:

·         Lee, Joseph S. An open letter to NVDA Community: Hartgen Consultancy, we owe you an apology: http://joslee22590.blogspot.com/2016/03/open-letter-to-nvda-community-hartgen.html

 

Cheers (with heavy heart),

Joseph

 

From: marvin kotler [mailto:m.kotler53@...]
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 8:02 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Re: Will feed him anyway

 

I got him to read, but I think I will feed him to the shark at least 17 times.

From: Arlene

Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 7:46 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda still will not read

 

Loll! Feed him to the shark!

 

From: marvin kotler [mailto:m.kotler53@...]
Sent: March-04-16 5:39 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda still will not read

 

This is Marv here again.  I am using laptop layout just like in jaws.  When I use insert plus downarrow, nvda just reads a little bit; a line or so.  Any other tricks I can try; should I feed him LOL.

 


I am afraid he will have a tummy ache

marvin kotler
 

Marv here.  I am afraid he will have a stomach ache until the next update; lol.

From: Arlene
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Will feed him anyway
 

Loll! Here he comes waiting for another bite!

 

From: marvin kotler [mailto:m.kotler53@...]
Sent: March-04-16 8:02 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Re: Will feed him anyway

 

I got him to read, but I think I will feed him to the shark at least 17 times.

From: Arlene

Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 7:46 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda still will not read

 

Loll! Feed him to the shark!

 

From: marvin kotler [mailto:m.kotler53@...]
Sent: March-04-16 5:39 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda still will not read

 

This is Marv here again.  I am using laptop layout just like in jaws.  When I use insert plus downarrow, nvda just reads a little bit; a line or so.  Any other tricks I can try; should I feed him LOL.

 

 


Re: I am afraid he will have a tummy ache

Arlene
 

Well he can suffer!

 

From: marvin kotler [mailto:m.kotler53@...]
Sent: March-04-16 8:32 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I am afraid he will have a tummy ache

 

Marv here.  I am afraid he will have a stomach ache until the next update; lol.

From: Arlene

Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 8:18 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Will feed him anyway

 

Loll! Here he comes waiting for another bite!

 

From: marvin kotler [mailto:m.kotler53@...]
Sent: March-04-16 8:02 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Re: Will feed him anyway

 

I got him to read, but I think I will feed him to the shark at least 17 times.

From: Arlene

Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 7:46 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda still will not read

 

Loll! Feed him to the shark!

 

From: marvin kotler [mailto:m.kotler53@...]
Sent: March-04-16 5:39 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda still will not read

 

This is Marv here again.  I am using laptop layout just like in jaws.  When I use insert plus downarrow, nvda just reads a little bit; a line or so.  Any other tricks I can try; should I feed him LOL.

 

 


Re: accessible version of Seamonkey?

laura cornwell <lauracornwell1@...>
 

about cmunckeyit's work great I just installed it I like it for the web brouser and it can used as a email program as well how do you get your email. useing it?

On 3/4/2016 8:19 PM, valiant8086 wrote:
Hi.

I just went and installed Seamonkey from scratch here, It's been a long time since I used it since I always use Thunderbird portable. Ensure that you're downloading from:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/

I'm using jaws at present, but Seamonkey is very similar to Thunderbird and thus rather screen reader friendly for the most part. I'm writing this with it, and this is my first message so hopefully it works. The version I have is 2.39. I wonder if there could be an add-on or interface setting that has made it go all wonky. Did you try redownloading it, are you sure you're downloading from the official site, which appears to be that which I linked above?

Worse come to worse, Thunderbird will do most everything Seamonkey does with no necessity to relearn anything, it is almost exactly the same just no web browser built right in. But I think you can fix it by uninstalling Seamonkey and perhaps deleting your settings folder for Seamonkey so it starts from scratch.
Press windows key+r, type %appdata% and press enter. When the folder opens, find Mozilla and open it. Now find Seamonkey and delete that puppy. Btw, don't hold me responsible if that breaks something else even though it wouldn't make sense for it to do so. Of course, I'd recommend uninstalling seamonkey then deleting that after uninstallation, then reinstall, hopefully if it is a setting that's the problem the setting in question is not stored in the registry?

Good luck and enjoy setting that all up from scratch again! And yes, don't forget about Thunderbird. I've been using it for years, it doesn't seem like it should be too awfully hard a call to switch to that given how similar they are. Granted, I would submit that it shouldn't be necessary, Seamonkey should work fine, definitely is for me.

Lisa P Geibel wrote:
Hi Vincent,
Sorry, we also have the latest version of JAWS, but it won't read anything with that either. Very perplexed by all of this and disappointed in myself. Thanks for all your help. Can't even remove the program and put it back on as it reads the same as the install did. Can't restore the computer to an earlier time before the problems started. Looks like I'm just stuck.

Lisa
E-Mail: lisapgeibel429@gmail.com
Facebook: http://facebook.com/ldporter1
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LisaLisa429
Philmore box shared with hubby:
773-572-7897
God bless everyone!!!

On 3/4/16 9:30 AM, Vincent Thacker wrote:
Lisa,

Sorry, I wasn't quite accurate in my last mail,, but you found the menu
items anyway. In Seamonkey, go to View Menu, then Show / Hide, then
press the right arrow key to start the submenu with the various toolbars
that you can show or hide. There is a further submenu for Website
Navigation, which you can again reach by pressing the right arrow key.

From the main menu bar, for example, if you are at Bookmarks, the
submenu should appear if you press the down arrow. I have no idea why
items are not being spoken by NVDA.

It may be that some settings have got corrupted , in which case it would
be an idea to remove Seamonkey and start again. If NVDA is otherwise
working OK, this may be the best option. I remove programs with Revo
Uninstaller, which looks for relevant files all over your PC, and so may
remove any corrupt material.

To get the current version of seamonkey, version 2.39, go to:
https://download.mozilla.org/?product=seamonkey-2.39&os=win&lang=en-US

That link above should start the installer downloading. In Seamonkey or
Firefox, you will get a dialog box asking you to save the file before
you can run it.

Vince in England.

========================================
Message Received: Mar 04 2016, 01:38 PM
From: "Lisa P Geibel"
To: nvda@groups.io
Cc:
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible version of Seamonkey?

Hi Vincent,
Thank you for getting back. Yes, menu is checked, but there are about 4
or 5 other things below it that are also checked and it doesn't read
what they are. I know how to get to the view choice when things act
normally, but when I left and right arrow when I'm in the file menu,
all
I hear is submenu submenu and that's it. Does that help you any? Can
you
give me any tips on things to have checked or unchecked so it will read
better? Please and thanks?.

Lisa
E-Mail: lisapgeibel429@gmail.com
Facebook: http://facebook.com/ldporter1
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LisaLisa429
Philmore box shared with hubby:
773-572-7897
God bless everyone!!!

On 3/4/16 8:09 AM, Vincent Thacker wrote:
> Hi, Lisa,
>
> I've got Seamonkey on my PC, and I don't know what's happened
with
> yours, but it looks much the same as it ever did. I have version
2.39,
> which I believe is the latest.
>
> I wonder if you have menus turned off. Hold down the Alt key
until you
> can find out what's there. If you can get to the View menu,
choose
> Toolbars and make sure that menus are on.
>
> A shortcut to save a favorite or bookmark is Control key plus D.
>
> If you have Firefox and Thunderbird, you have most of
Seamonkey in
> another form, really.
>
> Hope that's some help.
>
> Vince in England.
>
>
>
>
>
> ========================================
> Message Received: Mar 04 2016, 11:41 AM
> From: "Lisa P Geibel"
> To: nvda@groups.io
> Cc:
> Subject: [nvda] accessible version of Seamonkey?
>
> Hi,
> My husband and I are both totally blind and use a Windows 10
computer
> with NVDA. I use Thunderbird for my mail client and he used
to use
> Seamonkey until something happened and we had to reinstall
it. I got
> 2.93 and it is very different than the older one he had as no
shortcut
> keys such as alt b to add to favorites or ctrl l to open a
URL work.
> It's only reading things like button and such. The install was a
> nightmare and he had to do it as the only choices were button
and alt
> button. Please help with finding an accessible version since I
was the
> one that messed it up on him? Thanks.
> --
> Lisa
> E-Mail: lisapgeibel429@gmail.com
> Facebook: http://facebook.com/ldporter1
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/LisaLisa429
> Philmore box shared with hubby:
> 773-572-7897
> God bless everyone!!!
>
>
>
>
>







Seamonkey?

marvin kotler
 

This is Marv here.  I never heard of seamonkey, but tried thunderbird and found it quite difficult to use.  So, I went to windows live mail.  I am running windows 10 jaws/nvda.  I had poor luck with thunderbird and both screen readers.  Is seamonkey more accessible than thunderbird?
 


Re: Seamonkey?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Marve,

Seamonkey is a suite of programs. It has an email program, a web browser and a chat feature. Seamonkey's email program is very similar to thunderbird.

Rosemarie

On 3/4/2016 9:54 PM, marvin kotler wrote:
This is Marv here.  I never heard of seamonkey, but tried thunderbird and found it quite difficult to use.  So, I went to windows live mail.  I am running windows 10 jaws/nvda.  I had poor luck with thunderbird and both screen readers.  Is seamonkey more accessible than thunderbird?
 


Re: Seamonkey?

Gene NZ <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi

it might of been the way you have it setup or the view. I use it on my windows 10 machine and have no problems with it.

A while ago I did a audio and also a written tutorial on mozilla thunderbird if you are interested. it can be fund at the following web address at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
It is called accessible email client mozilla thunderbird. It at least covered the basics of using it.

Gene nz


On 05-Mar-16 6:54 PM, marvin kotler wrote:
This is Marv here.  I never heard of seamonkey, but tried thunderbird and found it quite difficult to use.  So, I went to windows live mail.  I am running windows 10 jaws/nvda.  I had poor luck with thunderbird and both screen readers.  Is seamonkey more accessible than thunderbird?
 


Re: Seamonkey?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene,

That's a great tutorial. It really helped me when I was learning to use thunderbird.

Rosemarie



On 3/4/2016 10:09 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi

it might of been the way you have it setup or the view. I use it on my windows 10 machine and have no problems with it.

A while ago I did a audio and also a written tutorial on mozilla thunderbird if you are interested. it can be fund at the following web address at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
It is called accessible email client mozilla thunderbird. It at least covered the basics of using it.

Gene nz


On 05-Mar-16 6:54 PM, marvin kotler wrote:
This is Marv here.  I never heard of seamonkey, but tried thunderbird and found it quite difficult to use.  So, I went to windows live mail.  I am running windows 10 jaws/nvda.  I had poor luck with thunderbird and both screen readers.  Is seamonkey more accessible than thunderbird?
 



question regarding seamonkey

marvin kotler
 

Good evening list; Marv here.  I went to the seamonkey site and windows 10 was not in the operating systems system requirements.  My question is is anyone running seamonkey successfully on windows 10?
 


Re: Seamonkey?

Arlene
 

Hi, is thunderbird easy to use? I heard it was.

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria [mailto:knitqueen2007@...]
Sent: March-04-16 10:12 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Seamonkey?

 

Hi, Gene,

That's a great tutorial. It really helped me when I was learning to use thunderbird.

Rosemarie


On 3/4/2016 10:09 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi

it might of been the way you have it setup or the view. I use it on my windows 10 machine and have no problems with it.

A while ago I did a audio and also a written tutorial on mozilla thunderbird if you are interested. it can be fund at the following web address at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
It is called accessible email client mozilla thunderbird. It at least covered the basics of using it.

Gene nz

On 05-Mar-16 6:54 PM, marvin kotler wrote:

This is Marv here.  I never heard of seamonkey, but tried thunderbird and found it quite difficult to use.  So, I went to windows live mail.  I am running windows 10 jaws/nvda.  I had poor luck with thunderbird and both screen readers.  Is seamonkey more accessible than thunderbird?

 

 

 


Re: Seamonkey?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Arleen,

Yes, thunderbird is easy to use compared to outlook. It has the old-style menues like outlook express had.

Rosemarie



On 3/4/2016 10:17 PM, Arlene wrote:

Hi, is thunderbird easy to use? I heard it was.

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria [mailto:knitqueen2007@...]
Sent: March-04-16 10:12 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Seamonkey?

 

Hi, Gene,

That's a great tutorial. It really helped me when I was learning to use thunderbird.

Rosemarie


On 3/4/2016 10:09 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi

it might of been the way you have it setup or the view. I use it on my windows 10 machine and have no problems with it.

A while ago I did a audio and also a written tutorial on mozilla thunderbird if you are interested. it can be fund at the following web address at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
It is called accessible email client mozilla thunderbird. It at least covered the basics of using it.

Gene nz

On 05-Mar-16 6:54 PM, marvin kotler wrote:

This is Marv here.  I never heard of seamonkey, but tried thunderbird and found it quite difficult to use.  So, I went to windows live mail.  I am running windows 10 jaws/nvda.  I had poor luck with thunderbird and both screen readers.  Is seamonkey more accessible than thunderbird?

 

 

 



Re: I am afraid he will have a tummy ache

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Maybe he needs to stop eating so much_lol.



On 3/4/2016 8:32 PM, marvin kotler wrote:
Marv here.  I am afraid he will have a stomach ache until the next update; lol.
From: Arlene
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Will feed him anyway
 

Loll! Here he comes waiting for another bite!

 

From: marvin kotler [mailto:m.kotler53@...]
Sent: March-04-16 8:02 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Re: Will feed him anyway

 

I got him to read, but I think I will feed him to the shark at least 17 times.

From: Arlene

Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 7:46 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda still will not read

 

Loll! Feed him to the shark!

 

From: marvin kotler [mailto:m.kotler53@...]
Sent: March-04-16 5:39 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda still will not read

 

This is Marv here again.  I am using laptop layout just like in jaws.  When I use insert plus downarrow, nvda just reads a little bit; a line or so.  Any other tricks I can try; should I feed him LOL.

 

 


Re: I am afraid he will have a tummy ache

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Marve:
Thanks for the help.
I've learned a valuable lesson today.
I may prefer NVDA, but JAWS still has it's good points.
Joseph, in regards to your letter of apology, I hope NVDA's reputation hasn't been permanently damaged.
This is truly a great program and I would hate to see it disappear. If there's anything I can do to help, don't hesitate to ask.
Chris


Re: I am afraid he will have a tummy ache

 

Hi Chris and others,
I'm more concerned about our reputation now that we're in the midst of
celebrating NVDA's tenth anniversary (and I'm the chair of a planning
committee for various events, chiefly NVDACon 2016). I hope our reputation
wasn't damaged a lot because of what some people have done (on social
media). As far as the surrounding matter (Dictation Bridge and resulting
debate), I'll briefly mention it on March 14th event.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Shook [mailto:chris0309@samobile.net]
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 10:35 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am afraid he will have a tummy ache

Marve:
Thanks for the help.
I've learned a valuable lesson today.
I may prefer NVDA, but JAWS still has it's good points.
Joseph, in regards to your letter of apology, I hope NVDA's reputation
hasn't been permanently damaged.
This is truly a great program and I would hate to see it disappear. If
there's anything I can do to help, don't hesitate to ask.
Chris


Re: nvda and libreoffice

Christo de Klerk
 

Well, it works well upto a point, I would say. Quite a major drawback is that you don't get formatting information with NVDA when you press NVDA+f. I hope this is something that can be addressed soon. Another drawback is that the read to end function does not work; it only reads a paragraph at a time. Another small irritation is that, when you use auto-numbering and arrow up and down your text, the number of each numbered element is read twice.

So, while it is generally accessible, there certainly are usage issues with it. I really wish the NVDA developers would pay more attention to accessibility of LibreOffice, as it is also a free package and much less clunky to use than the MS counterpart.

Kind regards

Christo

On 2016/03/04 8:56 PM, Kenny Peyattt jr. wrote:
Yes it is And it works well.
Kenny Peyatt jr.

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Kennedy [mailto:joshknnd1982@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 12:30 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda and libreoffice

hi
is libreoffice or openoffice or both now accessible with NVDA without
the java access bridge? if so which one and which version?


Re: nvda and libreoffice

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Christo,

I find that open office works a little better than libre office. The read-to-end function doesn't work in that either but I can deal with that.

Rosemarie

On 3/4/2016 11:04 PM, Christo de Klerk wrote:
Well, it works well upto a point, I would say. Quite a major drawback is that you don't get formatting information with NVDA when you press NVDA+f. I hope this is something that can be addressed soon. Another drawback is that the read to end function does not work; it only reads a paragraph at a time. Another small irritation is that, when you use auto-numbering and arrow up and down your text, the number of each numbered element is read twice.

So, while it is generally accessible, there certainly are usage issues with it. I really wish the NVDA developers would pay more attention to accessibility of LibreOffice, as it is also a free package and much less clunky to use than the MS counterpart.

Kind regards

Christo




On 2016/03/04 8:56 PM, Kenny Peyattt jr. wrote:
Yes it is And it works well.
Kenny Peyatt jr.

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Kennedy [mailto:joshknnd1982@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 12:30 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda and libreoffice

hi
is libreoffice or openoffice or both now accessible with NVDA without
the java access bridge? if so which one and which version?

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