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Re: Firefox lags on FB

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Some lives, not sure its healthy though, people act as if addicted to it.
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Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 12:01 PM
Subject: [nvda] Re: Firefox lags on FB

I think someone should report this issue to Facebook, so they can fix it. Facebook has become part of our lives, and I think Facebook really needs to take into account accessibility for visually-impaired users.


Re: Emdash displaying weirdly on Focus 40 Blue Braille display with NVDA

 

Hi,

Which braille table is this – UK or UEB? This is quite a serious thing you are bringing up (especially if it is UEB).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: Sharni-Lee Ward [mailto:sharni-lee.ward@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2016 10:12 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Emdash displaying weirdly on Focus 40 Blue Braille display with NVDA

 

Hey,

And is this the reason italics/bold don't display properly? If a line starts with italics, the opening indicator is not shown, only the closing one, and the same is true if italics start in the middle of a line. I need to read with NVDA to know which words have been emphasised. The opening indicator does show up if there's a terminator before it in the same line, but that's not helpful enough.

Also, in words like "can't" and "won't", as well as with possessive forms of peoples' names, the letter after the apostrophe has the Grade 1 letter indicator before it. I don't remember that being a rule...


From: joseph.lee22590@...
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Emdash displaying weirdly on Focus 40 Blue Braille display with NVDA
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2016 10:05:29 -0800

Hi,

I need to report this to LibLouis and see what our UK table maintainer says.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: Sharni-Lee Ward [mailto:sharni-lee.ward@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2016 10:02 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Emdash displaying weirdly on Focus 40 Blue Braille display with NVDA

 

Oh, okay. Why does the same anomaly show up when I use UK Grade 2 for the output table, though? I thought emdash in that system was two hyphens next to each other.


From: joseph.lee22590@...
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Emdash displaying weirdly on Focus 40 Blue Braille display with NVDA
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2016 09:00:41 -0800

Hi,

UEB support: NVDA is using a really old Unified English Braille (UEB) table set. I plan to compile a third-party try build that’ll include newest UEB table set for testing purposes (I’m one of the table maintainers for UeB in LibLouis project).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: Sharni-Lee Ward [mailto:sharni-lee.ward@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2016 7:07 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Emdash displaying weirdly on Focus 40 Blue Braille display with NVDA

 

GUYS! I didn't realise you'd moved! I was sending to the old list address and wondering why nobody was responding and if I was still subscribed or had typed the address wrong...

But anyways, now that I've found out where yous guys went, I shall get to the point of this message.

So I was recently able to purchase my very own Braille Display and I chose the Focus 40 Blue. I'm loving having it, as I've missed Braille and wanted to read my fave sites using the display as well as write. I look forward to NVDA supporting contracted Braille input. :D

One thing that's puzzling me, however, is the way "—"(the emdash symbol) is displayed on the Focus sometimes. Why it doesn't happen every time mystifies me but it's quite bizarre. My current output table is UEB Grade 2, but I tested this on UK Grade 2 as well and the result was the same. In Microsoft word, and a couple other sites I read from, whenever an emdash appears it's displayed as apostrophe+o-u symbol+x+lower 2014+apostrophe, and I don't know why or how to fix it. I use emdashes (and encounter them while reading)frequently enough that this eight-cell mutant is quite jarring to read. It doesn't NEED to take up that many cells, so why does it? And why only in MS Word  and on specific websites? Is this an NVDA or Focus issue?

It also happens in the Outlook Email editor. That's how I was able to describe what it looks like to me.


Re: The deliniator thingy

Gene
 

I haven't worked to any extent with profiles and I don't recall details.  But it seems to me that you can set almost any setting in a profile.  It may be that others will discuss this. 
 
Gene

Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The deliniator thingy

Well, not fast enough on the draw, so to speak.
 
 I was not aware tht punctuation levels are available in profiles.
 
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From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The deliniator thingy

For now, just set punctuation to none, at least when reading e-mail.  I don't know if you can do this in a profile but I never hear such punctuation.  In addition, why not just stop reading after the message? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 7:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The deliniator thingy

Obviously, somebody needs to point this out to the  people who run it, Its just a text string. Just as well its not a line of greater than and less thans then I suppose as I've found on some lists.
 
If it had been a row of dashes it would have been silent. But a row of =, would just have said 40 equals which might suit those who like to know when its the end without it getting annoying.
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Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The deliniator thingy

Yes, at first I thought it was somebody having a rather feeble joke, but sorry to say it's built into groups.io, so I don't know whether group owners can do anything about it.

Vince in England.




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Message Received: Mar 05 2016, 12:14 PM
From: "Brian's Mail list account"
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Cc:
Subject: [nvda] The deliniator thingy

In other words where the message in this list ends, and the added content
starts is.




Re: accessible version of Seamonkey?

valiant8086
 

Hi.
I'm a newbie at Seamonkey myself, but I can open the email portion of it by pressing ctrl+2. I believe ctrl+1 goes to the web browser.

Cheers, Aaron Spears, general Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates Developing "very good audiogames" for the blind community http://valiantGalaxy.com Sent with Thunderbird 38.5.0 portable

On 3/5/2016 12:44 AM, laura cornwell wrote:
about cmunckeyit's work great I just installed it I like it for the web brouser and it can used as a email program as well how do you get your email. useing it?

On 3/4/2016 8:19 PM, valiant8086 wrote:
Hi.

I just went and installed Seamonkey from scratch here, It's been a long time since I used it since I always use Thunderbird portable. Ensure that you're downloading from:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/

I'm using jaws at present, but Seamonkey is very similar to Thunderbird and thus rather screen reader friendly for the most part. I'm writing this with it, and this is my first message so hopefully it works. The version I have is 2.39. I wonder if there could be an add-on or interface setting that has made it go all wonky. Did you try redownloading it, are you sure you're downloading from the official site, which appears to be that which I linked above?

Worse come to worse, Thunderbird will do most everything Seamonkey does with no necessity to relearn anything, it is almost exactly the same just no web browser built right in. But I think you can fix it by uninstalling Seamonkey and perhaps deleting your settings folder for Seamonkey so it starts from scratch.
Press windows key+r, type %appdata% and press enter. When the folder opens, find Mozilla and open it. Now find Seamonkey and delete that puppy. Btw, don't hold me responsible if that breaks something else even though it wouldn't make sense for it to do so. Of course, I'd recommend uninstalling seamonkey then deleting that after uninstallation, then reinstall, hopefully if it is a setting that's the problem the setting in question is not stored in the registry?

Good luck and enjoy setting that all up from scratch again! And yes, don't forget about Thunderbird. I've been using it for years, it doesn't seem like it should be too awfully hard a call to switch to that given how similar they are. Granted, I would submit that it shouldn't be necessary, Seamonkey should work fine, definitely is for me.

Lisa P Geibel wrote:
Hi Vincent,
Sorry, we also have the latest version of JAWS, but it won't read anything with that either. Very perplexed by all of this and disappointed in myself. Thanks for all your help. Can't even remove the program and put it back on as it reads the same as the install did. Can't restore the computer to an earlier time before the problems started. Looks like I'm just stuck.

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On 3/4/16 9:30 AM, Vincent Thacker wrote:
Lisa,

Sorry, I wasn't quite accurate in my last mail,, but you found the menu
items anyway. In Seamonkey, go to View Menu, then Show / Hide, then
press the right arrow key to start the submenu with the various toolbars
that you can show or hide. There is a further submenu for Website
Navigation, which you can again reach by pressing the right arrow key.

From the main menu bar, for example, if you are at Bookmarks, the
submenu should appear if you press the down arrow. I have no idea why
items are not being spoken by NVDA.

It may be that some settings have got corrupted , in which case it would
be an idea to remove Seamonkey and start again. If NVDA is otherwise
working OK, this may be the best option. I remove programs with Revo
Uninstaller, which looks for relevant files all over your PC, and so may
remove any corrupt material.

To get the current version of seamonkey, version 2.39, go to:
https://download.mozilla.org/?product=seamonkey-2.39&os=win&lang=en-US

That link above should start the installer downloading. In Seamonkey or
Firefox, you will get a dialog box asking you to save the file before
you can run it.

Vince in England.

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Message Received: Mar 04 2016, 01:38 PM
From: "Lisa P Geibel"
To: nvda@groups.io
Cc:
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible version of Seamonkey?

Hi Vincent,
Thank you for getting back. Yes, menu is checked, but there are about 4
or 5 other things below it that are also checked and it doesn't read
what they are. I know how to get to the view choice when things act
normally, but when I left and right arrow when I'm in the file menu,
all
I hear is submenu submenu and that's it. Does that help you any? Can
you
give me any tips on things to have checked or unchecked so it will read
better? Please and thanks?.

Lisa
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Facebook: http://facebook.com/ldporter1
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LisaLisa429
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God bless everyone!!!

On 3/4/16 8:09 AM, Vincent Thacker wrote:
> Hi, Lisa,
>
> I've got Seamonkey on my PC, and I don't know what's
happened with
> yours, but it looks much the same as it ever did. I have
version
2.39,
> which I believe is the latest.
>
> I wonder if you have menus turned off. Hold down the Alt key
until you
> can find out what's there. If you can get to the View menu,
choose
> Toolbars and make sure that menus are on.
>
> A shortcut to save a favorite or bookmark is Control key
plus D.
>
> If you have Firefox and Thunderbird, you have most of
Seamonkey in
> another form, really.
>
> Hope that's some help.
>
> Vince in England.
>
>
>
>
>
> ========================================
> Message Received: Mar 04 2016, 11:41 AM
> From: "Lisa P Geibel"
> To: nvda@groups.io
> Cc:
> Subject: [nvda] accessible version of Seamonkey?
>
> Hi,
> My husband and I are both totally blind and use a Windows 10
computer
> with NVDA. I use Thunderbird for my mail client and he used
to use
> Seamonkey until something happened and we had to reinstall
it. I got
> 2.93 and it is very different than the older one he had as no
shortcut
> keys such as alt b to add to favorites or ctrl l to open a
URL work.
> It's only reading things like button and such. The install
was a
> nightmare and he had to do it as the only choices were
button and alt
> button. Please help with finding an accessible version since I
was the
> one that messed it up on him? Thanks.
> --
> Lisa
> E-Mail: lisapgeibel429@gmail.com
> Facebook: http://facebook.com/ldporter1
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/LisaLisa429
> Philmore box shared with hubby:
> 773-572-7897
> God bless everyone!!!
>
>
>
>
>









Re: Seamonkey?

valiant8086
 

Hi.

The original question being is Seamonkey as accessible as Thunderbird. The answer in my opinion is it is close to being as screen reader friendly as Thunderbird, but is not quite as good. That said though, the issues I encountered with it weren't critical problems, just some edit boxes wouldn't read their contents automatically when I set up my email account with Seamonkey, but I had a separate window open for Thunderbird displaying my existing account settings for that so I could enter the details accurately in Seamonkey, and it was reading properly in Thunderbird but not Seamonkey. That having been said, that's a common issue I encounter and the solution is to manually arrow through it, it just doesn't tell you what's filled in already when you tab to it is all. I also was using JAWS at the time not NVDA so  your mileage should be rather different on that front anyway.

I do feel like Seamonkey is less laggy than Thunderbird. I don't know that for certain since I've only ran it once and I've been using Thunderbird for quite a few years now.

To Gene's comment about column headers not being accessible. There is a way to move them with JAWS, but I'm not sure if that can be done with NVDA. You do the drag and drop keystroke caps lock shift+8 to manually move them around. In this way I was able to fix it so that it says unread before it says who the message is from, and then the subject etc. Also there is a way to turn column information on or off so certain bits of info that you don't want won't be read at all, and NVDA can do this. I think if memory serves you start at the top of the list, then using object navigation you go left one or more times until you find some actions button. I believer this is the one that brings up a menu that can be used to check or uncheck columns that you want to be present.


Cheers, Aaron Spears, general Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates Developing "very good audiogames" for the blind community http://valiantGalaxy.com Sent with Thunderbird 38.5.0 portable

On 3/5/2016 7:41 AM, Gene wrote:
If you ask questions about Thunderbird regarding the problems you have with it, you will probably get answers.  Thunderbird is accessible with screen-readers.  There are one or two features that aren't accessible, such as changing the order of headers, but almost all of Thunderbird is accessible. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 11:54 PM
Subject: [nvda] Seamonkey?

This is Marv here.  I never heard of seamonkey, but tried thunderbird and found it quite difficult to use.  So, I went to windows live mail.  I am running windows 10 jaws/nvda.  I had poor luck with thunderbird and both screen readers.  Is seamonkey more accessible than thunderbird?
 


Re: Suggesting several features for GoldWave AddON

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The problem is that 57 has issues and I've had to go back a bit to one of the 5.6 versions to stop all that silliness I mentioned when attempting to get Goldwave to work on my 64 bit machine. Now you may say why not go for version 6, but I've been told that it is significantly different that it will probabl lose all my special custom effects. I have a little registry patch so Ican put version 5 on any machine and it makees the options what I need, like awide stereo mode and a superfst gain enhancer etc.


What is the issue with 5.6?
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From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 12:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggesting several features for GoldWave AddON


Hi,
Just tested it using GoldWave 6. Adding this function isn't hard - one will
need to use object navigation. Due to the version I'm supporting, this will
be exclusive to GoldWave 5.70 and later (preferably 6.x).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerardo Corripio [mailto:gera1027@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 3:24 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggesting several features for GoldWave AddON

Sadly I tried awhile ago today, while having several files open,
Alt+numbers but no go, thus maybe it has to do with the Shark's scripts?
thus could this be implemented somehow into the GoldWave AddOn? AT least for
me, it's a timesaver to quickly switch between for instance, Fil A and File
B without having to perform the Control+tab command to switch between these;
OH and when you do Alt+1 to go to File A, Focus moves to that file; Alt+2
for File B and focus moves to that one, thus that's why I say it's a
timesaver!

El 04/03/2016 04:33 p.m., Darren Duff escribió:
Actually, I have been using gold wave like that for years! It may even
be a gold wave keystroke, not a screenreader one.

Darren Duff.

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On 3/4/2016 1:10 PM, Gerardo Corripio wrote:
Joseph and whoever does the GoldWave AddOn for NVDA I'd like to
suggest having the ability to via Alt+numbers from 1-9, be able to
move between files during editing, instead of having to do
Control+tab? kind of like what the other screen readers' scripts do.
Thanks for implementing.


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Re: Suggesting several features for GoldWave AddON

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Personally the main issue at present is that when doing a lot of editing the length of the file is not kept, and one has to switch away and back to get it to read the numbers. I suspect this has to do with the way Goldwave presents this, ie it has to be the last thing written perhaps.
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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggesting several features for GoldWave AddON


Actually, I have been using gold wave like that for years! It may even be a gold wave keystroke, not a screenreader one.

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On 3/4/2016 1:10 PM, Gerardo Corripio wrote:
Joseph and whoever does the GoldWave AddOn for NVDA
I'd like to suggest having the ability to via Alt+numbers from 1-9, be able to move between files during editing, instead of having to do Control+tab? kind of like what the other screen readers' scripts do. Thanks for implementing.


Re: NVDA crashes on explorer window

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I had to turn this off in 7. Is it not in whatever they call files and folders nowadays?
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
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Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA crashes on explorer window


I don't know how you turn off the preview pane in Windows 10 but instead of waiting to see what happens, just turn it off if it's on. In Windows 7 the preview pane causes crashes.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: juan gonzalez
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 12:21 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA crashes on explorer window


Could it be that his preview pain is enabled in windows explorer and his
machine lags when trying to preview the files. Try waiting a few more
minutes when you open file explorer to give the machine time to load
everything. now if you are looking through different files it might
crash because it will try to load that file in the preview pain again.
hope this helps


On 3/4/2016 11:13 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Got it. When this happens again, can you tell us what you were doing so we can try our best to reproduce it?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Mert Anlar [mailto:sonay-mert@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:04 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA crashes on explorer window

sometimes it restarts automatically, sometimes I restart it ALT+CTRL+N

4.03.2016 18:39 tarihinde Joseph Lee yazdı:
Hi,
I see. How about what you were doing when it crashed?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Mert Anlar [mailto:sonay-mert@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 8:38 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA crashes on explorer window

sorry, I forgot
NVDA 2016.1

4.03.2016 18:17 tarihinde Joseph Lee yazdı:
Hi,
Which NVDA version are you using and can you tell us what you were trying to do when it crashed?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Mert Anlar [mailto:sonay-mert@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 8:08 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA crashes on explorer window

Hi dear friends
i'm using windows 10 and when i'm in an Windows explorer window, NVDA Crashes and exiting quietly. after I restart the NVDA, I see an error message like choos "ok" to close the program. is there any solucion about it?
Best wishes, Mert Anlar













Re: Emdash displaying weirdly on Focus 40 Blue Braille display with NVDA

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

UEB. I haven't checked this thing with the UK Grade 2 table yet. If you didn't know about it before, I'm glad I could help!

I noticed because I read a lot of fiction wherein thoughts and the speech of certain creatures are italicised and I couldn't not notice it.


From: joseph.lee22590@...
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Emdash displaying weirdly on Focus 40 Blue Braille display with NVDA
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2016 10:24:44 -0800

Hi,

Which braille table is this – UK or UEB? This is quite a serious thing you are bringing up (especially if it is UEB).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: Sharni-Lee Ward [mailto:sharni-lee.ward@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2016 10:12 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Emdash displaying weirdly on Focus 40 Blue Braille display with NVDA

 

Hey,

And is this the reason italics/bold don't display properly? If a line starts with italics, the opening indicator is not shown, only the closing one, and the same is true if italics start in the middle of a line. I need to read with NVDA to know which words have been emphasised. The opening indicator does show up if there's a terminator before it in the same line, but that's not helpful enough.

Also, in words like "can't" and "won't", as well as with possessive forms of peoples' names, the letter after the apostrophe has the Grade 1 letter indicator before it. I don't remember that being a rule...


From: joseph.lee22590@...
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Emdash displaying weirdly on Focus 40 Blue Braille display with NVDA
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2016 10:05:29 -0800

Hi,

I need to report this to LibLouis and see what our UK table maintainer says.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: Sharni-Lee Ward [mailto:sharni-lee.ward@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2016 10:02 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Emdash displaying weirdly on Focus 40 Blue Braille display with NVDA

 

Oh, okay. Why does the same anomaly show up when I use UK Grade 2 for the output table, though? I thought emdash in that system was two hyphens next to each other.


From: joseph.lee22590@...
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Emdash displaying weirdly on Focus 40 Blue Braille display with NVDA
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2016 09:00:41 -0800

Hi,

UEB support: NVDA is using a really old Unified English Braille (UEB) table set. I plan to compile a third-party try build that’ll include newest UEB table set for testing purposes (I’m one of the table maintainers for UeB in LibLouis project).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: Sharni-Lee Ward [mailto:sharni-lee.ward@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2016 7:07 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Emdash displaying weirdly on Focus 40 Blue Braille display with NVDA

 

GUYS! I didn't realise you'd moved! I was sending to the old list address and wondering why nobody was responding and if I was still subscribed or had typed the address wrong...

But anyways, now that I've found out where yous guys went, I shall get to the point of this message.

So I was recently able to purchase my very own Braille Display and I chose the Focus 40 Blue. I'm loving having it, as I've missed Braille and wanted to read my fave sites using the display as well as write. I look forward to NVDA supporting contracted Braille input. :D

One thing that's puzzling me, however, is the way "—"(the emdash symbol) is displayed on the Focus sometimes. Why it doesn't happen every time mystifies me but it's quite bizarre. My current output table is UEB Grade 2, but I tested this on UK Grade 2 as well and the result was the same. In Microsoft word, and a couple other sites I read from, whenever an emdash appears it's displayed as apostrophe+o-u symbol+x+lower 2014+apostrophe, and I don't know why or how to fix it. I use emdashes (and encounter them while reading)frequently enough that this eight-cell mutant is quite jarring to read. It doesn't NEED to take up that many cells, so why does it? And why only in MS Word  and on specific websites? Is this an NVDA or Focus issue?

It also happens in the Outlook Email editor. That's how I was able to describe what it looks like to me.


Re: question regarding seamonkey

valiant8086
 

Hi.

I think it'll be fine. I'm using it what little I have so far, on windows 10. No known issues.


Cheers, Aaron Spears, general Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates Developing "very good audiogames" for the blind community http://valiantGalaxy.com Sent with Thunderbird 38.5.0 portable

On 3/5/2016 1:16 AM, marvin kotler wrote:
Good evening list; Marv here.  I went to the seamonkey site and windows 10 was not in the operating systems system requirements.  My question is is anyone running seamonkey successfully on windows 10?
 


Re: Paftitioning Program

valiant8086
 

Hi.

What do you need to accomplish? Paragon partition manager is sort of usable but the free version won't resize partitions on the back end. So if you have two partitions and the first one is a small one and the second one bigger, but you want to remove the first one and extend the second one to fill the space of the first one, this is something you can't do for free with paragon.

If you're shrinking a partition, Windows Disk Management should be capable of this, also it should be capable of adding another partition if your goal is to shrink the one you have and put another one after it. It should be able to delete a partition from the trailing end and extend the one before it to fill that space also. So think about it like this, you can't mess with the left side or top, but the right side or bottom is generally something you can tweak as far as sizes go. What's your goal?


Cheers, Aaron Spears, general Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates Developing "very good audiogames" for the blind community http://valiantGalaxy.com Sent with Thunderbird 38.5.0 portable

On 3/5/2016 2:56 AM, Andrea Sherry wrote:
Using windows10 64bit.
The disk management is not doing what I require
I have a program called PAssist Pro but it does not like NVDA thought it used to work with WE.
Any suggestions?
Andrea


Re: Emdash displaying weirdly on Focus 40 Blue Braille display with NVDA

 

Hi,

Uh oh… I’ll keep an eye on this problem (there’s a work going on at LibLouis project to make UEB tables conform to the standard and improve other tables in the process).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: Sharni-Lee Ward [mailto:sharni-lee.ward@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2016 11:26 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Emdash displaying weirdly on Focus 40 Blue Braille display with NVDA

 

UEB. I haven't checked this thing with the UK Grade 2 table yet. If you didn't know about it before, I'm glad I could help!

I noticed because I read a lot of fiction wherein thoughts and the speech of certain creatures are italicised and I couldn't not notice it.


From: joseph.lee22590@...
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Emdash displaying weirdly on Focus 40 Blue Braille display with NVDA
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2016 10:24:44 -0800

Hi,

Which braille table is this – UK or UEB? This is quite a serious thing you are bringing up (especially if it is UEB).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: Sharni-Lee Ward [mailto:sharni-lee.ward@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2016 10:12 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Emdash displaying weirdly on Focus 40 Blue Braille display with NVDA

 

Hey,

And is this the reason italics/bold don't display properly? If a line starts with italics, the opening indicator is not shown, only the closing one, and the same is true if italics start in the middle of a line. I need to read with NVDA to know which words have been emphasised. The opening indicator does show up if there's a terminator before it in the same line, but that's not helpful enough.

Also, in words like "can't" and "won't", as well as with possessive forms of peoples' names, the letter after the apostrophe has the Grade 1 letter indicator before it. I don't remember that being a rule...


From: joseph.lee22590@...
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Emdash displaying weirdly on Focus 40 Blue Braille display with NVDA
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2016 10:05:29 -0800

Hi,

I need to report this to LibLouis and see what our UK table maintainer says.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: Sharni-Lee Ward [mailto:sharni-lee.ward@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2016 10:02 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Emdash displaying weirdly on Focus 40 Blue Braille display with NVDA

 

Oh, okay. Why does the same anomaly show up when I use UK Grade 2 for the output table, though? I thought emdash in that system was two hyphens next to each other.


From: joseph.lee22590@...
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Emdash displaying weirdly on Focus 40 Blue Braille display with NVDA
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2016 09:00:41 -0800

Hi,

UEB support: NVDA is using a really old Unified English Braille (UEB) table set. I plan to compile a third-party try build that’ll include newest UEB table set for testing purposes (I’m one of the table maintainers for UeB in LibLouis project).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: Sharni-Lee Ward [mailto:sharni-lee.ward@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2016 7:07 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Emdash displaying weirdly on Focus 40 Blue Braille display with NVDA

 

GUYS! I didn't realise you'd moved! I was sending to the old list address and wondering why nobody was responding and if I was still subscribed or had typed the address wrong...

But anyways, now that I've found out where yous guys went, I shall get to the point of this message.

So I was recently able to purchase my very own Braille Display and I chose the Focus 40 Blue. I'm loving having it, as I've missed Braille and wanted to read my fave sites using the display as well as write. I look forward to NVDA supporting contracted Braille input. :D

One thing that's puzzling me, however, is the way "—"(the emdash symbol) is displayed on the Focus sometimes. Why it doesn't happen every time mystifies me but it's quite bizarre. My current output table is UEB Grade 2, but I tested this on UK Grade 2 as well and the result was the same. In Microsoft word, and a couple other sites I read from, whenever an emdash appears it's displayed as apostrophe+o-u symbol+x+lower 2014+apostrophe, and I don't know why or how to fix it. I use emdashes (and encounter them while reading)frequently enough that this eight-cell mutant is quite jarring to read. It doesn't NEED to take up that many cells, so why does it? And why only in MS Word  and on specific websites? Is this an NVDA or Focus issue?

It also happens in the Outlook Email editor. That's how I was able to describe what it looks like to me.


Re: question regarding seamonkey

 

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:16 pm, marvin kotler <m.kotler53@...> wrote:
I went to the seamonkey site and windows 10 was not in the operating systems system requirements.

I have yet to have any application that runs successfully under Windows 7 or Windows 8/8.1 not function perfectly fine under Windows 10.  I've got a few portable programs as old as XP that are running fine under Win10.  The only issues I've had are with device drivers, and that was on a machine that originally was WinVista that I tried upgrading to Windows 10 as part of the Insider Program.

Brian


Social media

Arlene
 

Oh boy! That's addicted! I am on facebook and thank Goodness I share the I
Phone with my room mate. I love it but I wouldn't want it on the phone! Wow!
That is really addicted if you ask me!

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account [mailto:bglists@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent: March-05-16 5:29 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am afraid he will have a tummy ache

I have never been able to work out how to use Twitter or Facebook and have
not bothered with the others either. I sat next to a lady in a cafe the
other day and she had her phone on her lap as she was eating and kept on
gigling and tapping stuff in while eating. Talk about in a bubble.
I somehow think its not for me.

However I think this thread is a little dodgy, but good as a test I guess.
Just try and get those -=-=-=-= removed before we go mental. I guess I
could move = to a different punnctuation level...
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am afraid he will have a tummy ache


Hi,
Jamie Teh said something on Twitter that basically says that statement. I
may eventually need to talk about social media and NVDA later during that
event... Right now though, I'm in the midst of a semester at a community
college, seeing the news coming from NVDACon speaker recruitment efforts,
finalizing StationPlaylist add-on 7.0 beta, thinking about writing a
letter
to mainstream programmers about value of NVDA and others (along with
making
sure my latest code for add-ons manager gets integrated into NVDA Core).
Cheers,
Joseph
P.S. Yes, I do code (NVDA screen reader), and latest endeavor can be found
at http://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3090.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Shook [mailto:chris0309@samobile.net]
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 11:02 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am afraid he will have a tummy ache

Joseph,
It may be too late, but would there be any way to make a statement to the
effect that NVDA does not agree with comments said on Social Media?
Just a suggestion.
Chris






Re: Firefox lags on FB

Arlene
 

Yes that is true. Facebook is a big part in everybody’s life.

 

From: Supanut Leepaisomboon [mailto:supanut2000@...]
Sent: March-05-16 4:02 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Re: Firefox lags on FB

 

I think someone should report this issue to Facebook, so they can fix it. Facebook has become part of our lives, and I think Facebook really needs to take into account accessibility for visually-impaired users.


Re: Firefox lags on FB

Arlene
 

It happened to me years ago. I thought it was firefox. So I switched to IE! I go on facebook using IE!

 

From: Dejan Ristic [mailto:r.dejan83@...]
Sent: March-05-16 3:45 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox lags on FB

 

Yes, I have experienced it too, from time to time, especially when I'm in the message typing field. It's come to us recently. As I have said, it does not happen any time when I'm in the same field. It sometimes goes smoothly, and it sometimes does slow down.

NVDA version I've been using: 2016.1

Windows version I've been using: Windows version: Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (64-bit)

On 3/5/2016 10:50 AM, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:

Hi all,

Does anyone here experienced lags when using Facebook with Firefox along with a screen reader (Jaws or NVDA)? I've been using Firefox for a long time and I've experienced lags with Facebook from time-to-time and it's really annoying, especially on my Surface 3. On my desktop I'm using Jaws, and on my Surface 3 I'm using NVDA, latest version.




Re: Firefox lags on FB

Arlene
 

So do I. I just go to it on the web.

-----Original Message-----
From: Darren Duff [mailto:duff379@gmail.com]
Sent: March-05-16 3:31 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox lags on FB

I only use m.facebook.com. much easier.

Darren Duff.

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amateur radio station KK4AHX.

Follow me on twitter @darren_duff

friend me on face book http://www.facebook.com/DarrenLDuff.

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skype duffman31279

On 3/5/2016 5:03 AM, Aravind R wrote:
and we are unable to locate log out button or sign out unless i use
m.facebook.com

On 3/5/16, Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi all,

Does anyone here experienced lags when using Facebook with Firefox along
with a screen reader (Jaws or NVDA)? I've been using Firefox for a long time
and I've experienced lags with Facebook from time-to-time and it's really
annoying, especially on my Surface 3. On my desktop I'm using Jaws, and on
my Surface 3 I'm using NVDA, latest version.


Re: Firefox lags on FB

Arlene
 

Yes, I’ve heard it has. You can do it using the I phone or pad. Or maybe a tablit.

 

From: Supanut Leepaisomboon [mailto:supanut2000@...]
Sent: March-05-16 2:06 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Re: Firefox lags on FB

 

Also the edit fields where I can type texts are not being read properly, either by Jaws or NVDA. It seems that Facebook has become less accessible nowadays, even though it have over 1 billion users.


Re: Social media

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

Yes I'll get off of this topic, I was as many probably guessed and as others were probably doing setting up message rules to sort out the different lists. I have a couple tofind yet, but most are now working into sensible folders on this account.
Basically in Outlook Express speak.
The line to use to o sort with is the to line and the address of the list, with move to a folder if that is contained and of course a stop processing more rules so it won't be seen by other rules.
Works a treat so far.

Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 8:06 PM
Subject: [nvda] Social media


Oh boy! That's addicted! I am on facebook and thank Goodness I share the I
Phone with my room mate. I love it but I wouldn't want it on the phone! Wow!
That is really addicted if you ask me!

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account [mailto:bglists@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent: March-05-16 5:29 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am afraid he will have a tummy ache

I have never been able to work out how to use Twitter or Facebook and have
not bothered with the others either. I sat next to a lady in a cafe the
other day and she had her phone on her lap as she was eating and kept on
gigling and tapping stuff in while eating. Talk about in a bubble.
I somehow think its not for me.

However I think this thread is a little dodgy, but good as a test I guess.
Just try and get those -=-=-=-= removed before we go mental. I guess I
could move = to a different punnctuation level...
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am afraid he will have a tummy ache


Hi,
Jamie Teh said something on Twitter that basically says that statement. I
may eventually need to talk about social media and NVDA later during that
event... Right now though, I'm in the midst of a semester at a community
college, seeing the news coming from NVDACon speaker recruitment efforts,
finalizing StationPlaylist add-on 7.0 beta, thinking about writing a
letter
to mainstream programmers about value of NVDA and others (along with
making
sure my latest code for add-ons manager gets integrated into NVDA Core).
Cheers,
Joseph
P.S. Yes, I do code (NVDA screen reader), and latest endeavor can be found
at http://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3090.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Shook [mailto:chris0309@samobile.net]
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 11:02 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am afraid he will have a tummy ache

Joseph,
It may be too late, but would there be any way to make a statement to the
effect that NVDA does not agree with comments said on Social Media?
Just a suggestion.
Chris










nvda portable copy

marvin kotler
 

Good afternoon list; Marv here.  I have a question regarding the portable copy.  First, running windows 10.  Once the nvda portable is up and running, I have no button or menus like the installed copy.  What am I supposed to do? Any help would be appreciated; thanks in advance.
 

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