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Re: NVDA OCR and what it presents afterward

Quentin Christensen
 

As an alternative to a commercial OCR like Abbyy FineReader, has anyone tried any of the free OCR programs around and if so can you report on their effectiveness?  A quick Google search brings up a number of options, but I must admit, I haven't looked at any yet.

Quentin.

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 9:14 PM mcLeod stinnett <macks75205@...> wrote:


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Re: NVDA OCR and what it presents afterward

mcLeod stinnett
 

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Re: NVDA OCR and what it presents afterward

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Wally,

I'm afraid yes, NVDA is bound by the limitations of Windows OCR. If you do regularly need to run OCR on longer documents, it might be worth considering a full OCR program, which will be able to do fancier things as well.

Also, NVDA's OCR abilities aside, if you are regularly receiving documents you need to run OCR on, it would be worth raising that with the people sending the documents out.  When creating documents is often the easiest point to make them accessible, and in many cases, requires only a small change to workflow to achieve.

In the meantime, Sarah, good prompt, I did go and checked our user guide and it could be improved in this area.  I have created the following issue to put forward a change:


Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 10:34 AM Marisane Moruthanyana <marisanem@...> wrote:
Morning Gene

Does it mean then that one should go to the next page and start the
OCR processing all over again?

Shoo! that is a painstaking exercise, especially when the document is long.

Wally

On 11/22/20, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
> Per documentation whichI hope is present in the manual, the document
> only shown 1 screen at a time. If and  only if the document can show up
> on 1 screen will the whole thing  show up else you only see the screen
> with maybe that one sentence that ocr was able to capture.
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>
>> Hi gurus
>>
>> I trust you are well.
>>
>> I am trying to cope.
>>
>> I am troubled by nvda.
>>
>> I cannot understand why nvda does not show up all the information even
>> after the OCR process has been made.
>>
>> It says that the document has been recognised, but only a sentence or
>> a page is shown up.
>>
>> Why is that? How do I make it do that?
>>
>> Please help.
>> Wally from SA
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: NVDA Navigation Using Touch Gestures and Setting Up Custom Gestures

Quentin Christensen
 

This is a good question, and I do agree that asking what NVDA's equivalent of the rotor on iOS is perfectly acceptable - the Rotor is a screenreader function rather than a system function (it is part of VoiceOver) so that is reasonable.

NVDA does have some touch support and we are working on improving this.  In general touch support on Windows isn't quite as polished as it is on your smart phone or tablet - primarily because Windows was designed as a keyboard and mouse driven interface, and most programs are still designed that way.  The iPhone and Android were designed as touch devices, and so apps developed for those platforms are designed to be controlled that way (and so in contrast, mobile apps, don't tend to have as good an experience using a keyboard as you would have controlling a Windows program with the keyboard).

I must admit, I'm not sure about how to select and copy text with a touch screen on Windows.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 4:44 AM <anwarkhalid850@...> wrote:
Moderators Note:  I am allowing this topic because it does contain questions specific to NVDA that deserve answers.  That being said, copy and paste are operating system functions, as is, in the case of IOS, the Rotor.  Please stick to the NVDA aspects here.  If in depth discussion of the touch gestures for Windows functions is required, those would best be asked either on the Chat Subgroup or the Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users Group (and would be territory not yet asked about much at all).

I'm thinking about trading in my iPad for a Microsoft surface tablet, because I like the idea of having a windows machine that can be both a laptop and tablet combined.
But I do have some concerns about NVDA touch gestures and was wondering if anyone might be able to help.

One thing I wanted to know was how to select copy and paste text using only the touchscreen and touch gestures with NVDA if such a thing is possible,  The other thing is that I know NVDA doesn't have a rotor like iOS so how do you select different granularities to navigate by such as buttons links and headings, how do you then use these to navigate the webpage, what gestures are required? Also, I've looked in the manual for some information about the input gestures dialogue but just wanted some advice, what gestures can you select and how much programming knowledge do you need in order to set up a custom gestures?
 
 



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Re: Spelling Errors

Gene
 

Perhaps shift applications key does the same thing as shift f10. Is that what extended application key means?

If so, perhaps shift application key would open the menu.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 9:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Spelling Errors



Shift f10 is the extended applications key so to speak.

Take care

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On 23 Nov 2020, at 19:13, Quentin Christensen wrote:



The context menu not working when pressing the applications key seems to be a bug in Windows 10 mail. Interestingly, if you move to a misspelt word and press SHIFT+F10, it opens a list of alternate spellings. Use the arrow keys to find the one you want and enter to replace. I have always thought that SHIFT+F10 simply sent the same command to the computer as pressing the applications key, but evidently in this case, Mail treats them differently.


On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:48 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Perhaps because it is an app, you need to open the menu a different way. I
don't know about the difference between apps and applications.

You might try using object navigation which should already be on the word,
move the mouse to it, then right click.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 4:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Spelling Errors



Hi

Using W10 Mail app throws up spelling errors but the context menu will not
activate if I use the Applications key whilst located on a mis-spelled word.



Cheers

Chris



From: Gene
Sent: 20 November 2020 09:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Spelling Errors





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Re: In-Process is out

 

Hi,

Sure, thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 7:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process is out

 

Thanks Joseph!  Can I link to that in the next In-Process please?

 

Quentin.

 

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 3:44 AM Rowen Cary <manchen_0528@...> wrote:

This is really interesting.


 

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Re: In-Process is out

Quentin Christensen
 

Thanks Joseph!  Can I link to that in the next In-Process please?

Quentin.

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 3:44 AM Rowen Cary <manchen_0528@...> wrote:
This is really interesting.



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Re: Spelling Errors

Sarah k Alawami
 

Shift f10 is the extended applications key so to speak.

Take care

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On 23 Nov 2020, at 19:13, Quentin Christensen wrote:

The context menu not working when pressing the applications key seems to be a bug in Windows 10 mail.  Interestingly, if you move to a misspelt word and press SHIFT+F10, it opens a list of alternate spellings.  Use the arrow keys to find the one you want and enter to replace.  I have always thought that SHIFT+F10 simply sent the same command to the computer as pressing the applications key, but evidently in this case, Mail treats them differently.

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:48 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Perhaps because it is an app, you need to open the menu a different way.  I
don't know about the difference between apps and applications.

You might try using object navigation which should already be on the word,
move the mouse to it, then right click.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 4:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Spelling Errors



Hi

Using W10 Mail app throws up spelling errors but the context menu will not
activate if I use the Applications key whilst located on a mis-spelled word.



Cheers

Chris



From: Gene
Sent: 20 November 2020 09:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Spelling Errors





T












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Training and Support Manager


Re: Spelling Errors

Quentin Christensen
 

The context menu not working when pressing the applications key seems to be a bug in Windows 10 mail.  Interestingly, if you move to a misspelt word and press SHIFT+F10, it opens a list of alternate spellings.  Use the arrow keys to find the one you want and enter to replace.  I have always thought that SHIFT+F10 simply sent the same command to the computer as pressing the applications key, but evidently in this case, Mail treats them differently.


On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:48 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Perhaps because it is an app, you need to open the menu a different way.  I
don't know about the difference between apps and applications.

You might try using object navigation which should already be on the word,
move the mouse to it, then right click.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 4:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Spelling Errors



Hi

Using W10 Mail app throws up spelling errors but the context menu will not
activate if I use the Applications key whilst located on a mis-spelled word.



Cheers

Chris



From: Gene
Sent: 20 November 2020 09:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Spelling Errors





T












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Re: Unable to start up nvda

Arlene
 

Hi there, do you have the NVDA icon on your desk top?  If you do, you go to it witch is n for NVDA. Alt enter and there you will find where you can create a short cut. You tab until you hear NVDA short cut none. If that is what it is. You do control alt n for the hot key.  Just like you would for Jaws. You tab to okay then enter.  Close down NVDA and see if your hot key works. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Paul O'Rahilly
Sent: November 23, 2020 11:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Unable to start up nvda

 

Hi

 

 

I have not used nvDa for a few months. Just returning to it.

However, I am unable to start up nvda with keystroke

 

ctrl+alt+N

 

How can I fix this.

 

Thanks, Paul

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Unable to start up nvda

Sarah k Alawami
 

For now type nvda in the run dialogue and it will, or at least should start.

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On 23 Nov 2020, at 11:35, Paul O'Rahilly wrote:

Hi

I have not used nvDa for a few months. Just returning to it.
However, I am unable to start up nvda with keystroke

ctrl+alt+N

How can I fix this.

Thanks, Paul


Unable to start up nvda

Paul O'Rahilly
 

Hi


I have not used nvDa for a few months. Just returning to it.
However, I am unable to start up nvda with keystroke

ctrl+alt+N

How can I fix this.

Thanks, Paul


Re: Microsoft Raul Spanish voice Missing from NVDA?

Luis Carlos González Moráles
 

It seems I got the problem somehow? The voice itself appears to have the name with an accent. Seems that Raúl have an accent on the u. I have to verify if I'm wrong.

Samuel Villa wrote:

Good morning, S

Orry, I was away from my computer for the night. The issue you linked to is similar than the one I have. The only exact difference is that when I restart NVDA, Microsoft Raul Spanish still doesn’t show up in the list of voices. I even tried to uninstall and reinstall the voices, but to no avail.





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Re: Microsoft Raul Spanish voice Missing from NVDA?

Samuel Villa
 

Good morning, S

Orry, I was away from my computer for the night. The issue you linked to is similar than the one I have. The only exact difference is that when I restart NVDA, Microsoft Raul Spanish still doesn’t show up in the list of voices. I even tried to uninstall and reinstall the voices, but to no avail.


Re: NVDA OCR and what it presents afterward

Marisane Moruthanyana
 

Thank you, sir.

I will test that.

On 11/23/20, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
One addition with regard to PDF-XChange Viewer's OCR function:

The OCR functionality supports a base language set of English, French,
German and Spanish. Additional language extension packages are available **
*here.* ( https://www.tracker-software.com/pdf-xchange-viewer-ocr )

I once had a client using it on Swedish texts, which is one of the optional
languages available.  The language extension packages are also free.
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Re: possible long-standing bug

Bob Cavanaugh
 

Just downloaded the add-on and works great! The one change I'd make is
that commands be read as expected with or without the add-on. The
issue I was having was that the action was being taken as expected
which I wasn't sure would work until I tried it years after I first
installed NVDA, but NVDA wasn't announcing it. For instance, I'd press
control+7 to go to the top of the file. With the add-on, NVDA reads as
expected, but before, it either didn't work or when it did, it gave no
verbal indication that it had, depending on the application.

On 11/22/20, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...> wrote:
I 100% agree, in fact I remember suggesting something very similar to
what this add-on does years ago. I'll have to check out how NVDA
responds when I get this installed, as this may solve the problem I am
describing. Some of the commands I'm used to work with only slight
modification, but again, NVDA doesn't read as expected. I've found
that numpad insert+the down arrow key works just fine to read to end
as does JAWS and System Access.

On 11/22/20, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
NVDA reads the top line if there is print on it. While people who use
JAWS

grow used to such announcements as top, they really aren't necessary in
my
opinion.

I can't say how others would react if such speech were added or if it
should

be added as default behavior. I consider it to be annoyingly intrusive.

I can't comment on Excel (spelling) in terms of what feedback may be
important but when moving through a list of files, the top one is
announced

when you move to it and the bottom one is. I already discussed
documents.

You can read about and down load the add-on at:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/numpadNavMode.en.html

The add-on allows the user to use numpad insert numpad 2 for read to
end.
This may be a real convenience to JAWS users who are used to constantly
using that command. I have long thought that it should be made available
in

NVDA because it is such a convenient way of initiating read to end. I
can
move up and down by line using numpad 8 to move up and numpad 2 to move
down

and use insert numpad insert 2 to initiate read to end when I get to where
I

want to do that. Not only is it more convenient than any means available
in

NVDA without changing input commands, but it is important for people with
problems using two hands. It is a very convenient one-hand command to
initiate read to end.

I think this is important enough that this add-on should be incorporated
into the core and that it be discussed on the transition page for JAWS
users

and in the manual and training material.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2020 2:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible long-standing bug

I don't have any add-ons on this copy of NVDA, the only one I ever
used was the OCR one on my desktop. I'll have to look into the add-on
that changes the numpad functions, as I'd like to be able to fully use
the normal numpad functions when running NVDA. What's that add-on
called? Even without it, some of the Windows commands work that use
the numpad's Windows functions, but what I'd like is for NVDA to give
some kind of feedback about that. JAWS says "top of file" and System
Access simply reads the first line when the command is pressed to go
to the top of the file. NVDA says nothing until another action is
taken. I'm not familiar with what JAWS says when switching sheets in
Excel as it's been years since I've used those two programs together,
but System Access says the name of the sheet as soon as you press the
command to change sheets, while NVDA requires a press of an additional
command to make sure that you have indeed switched sheets.

On 11/22/20, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I didn't make this clear in my last message. Whenever an add-on is
being
used or something else is being used or done that might alter the effect
of

how something works, it should be stated in a message dealing with the
thing

or process that is altered. Even if it seems unimportant, it should be
stated that this or that is being used. While I said in my last message
that is inaccurate to talk about the numpad being off, even if that had
been

stated, saying that the add-on is being used would have made what is
being
described completely clear to those who know what the add-on does.
Often, reports of technical probllems are made not as clear as they
would

be

if infrmation about what is being used or details of what is being done
are

omitted.

My comments about the inaccuracy of the description aren't meant to be
negatively critical nor single someone out. Often, such information as
something being used that changes something or information detailing
what

is

done is omitted from possible problem reports, which makes the
understanding

of what the problem may be unclear.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2020 1:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible long-standing bug

The add-on is evidently being used that disables the numpad in its
default
functions for NVDA review commands. If this is done, NVDA 7 does
function
as home, its default function in Windows if no program is using that key
for
its own purpose. It should be specified that the add-on is being used
if
it
is. Saying something like have the numpad off is confusing and isn't
accurate. The numpad is functioning, it is performing its Windows
functions.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 11:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible long-standing bug



This might sound like a silly question, but is your num-lock on? If it
is
not that might explain what's going on, maybe. If not, then feel free to
write back. I use the laptop functions, so that's about all I know.

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and
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On 21 Nov 2020, at 21:13, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:



Hi all,
Please forgive me if I'm reporting in the wrong place, but I've
noticed a bug that has been kind of annoying since I've been primarily
using a laptop. I'd have to investigate whether or not NVDA reads
things as expected if I use the actual buttons, but if using the
numpad, it does not. For instance, with the numpad off, 7 acts as the
home key, with control+home moving to the top of the file. It's been a
while since I've tried this using the actual home key, but while
control+numpad 7 works as expected, there is no verbal indication that
it does so, it's only by using the arrow keys to move around the
document that you are made aware of the position change. Something
similar happens when switching sheets in Excel. The commands are
control+page up (numpad 9) and control+page down (numpad 3) to switch
between sheets. However, NVDA does not say the name of the sheet you
are working with until you take some other action on the sheet.
Bob




















Re: problem while useing Orbit reader braille display

Quentin Christensen
 

Good afternoon,

The original email was sent both the the NVDA group, and to info@... - so the attachment did make it to info@... - As Brian noted in his reply to the group, attachments are automatically stripped from messages to the group though.  In this case, the log was at info level, and showed only NVDA starting normally, with Braille set to "No Braille".

The Orbit should be able to auto detect if the Braille display (in NVDA's Braille settings) is set to "Automatic".  When you encounter issues, it can also be worth restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled (NVDA+Q then down arrow to "restart with add-ons disabled" and enter).  If you can reproduce, it is worth sending an email to info@... with a log, but ideally a log set to "debug".  Press NVDA+control+g to open NVDA's general settings, tab to "Log level" and down arrow to "Debug".  ENTER for OK, then NVDA+control+c to save your settings.  Finally, restart with add-ons disabled as mentioned above, recreate the issue, and it will be recorded in the log with as much information as possible.  Your log is in your %temp% folder.  Email that to info@... with a description of what has happened and what you've tried.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 5:37 AM Meet modi <meetmodi2359@...> wrote:
Hello team,
 I request you please fix this bug of Orbit reader 20 not connecting with NVDA from follow two step.
As par Orbit recommended method [Hid Orbit] and second is [Braille hid] Both isn't working after using update nvda 2020.3.
I hope you consider my request and think to fix this issue to put your afferts.

Here i am going to attach my log file kindly check.
Log file available in "TXT" formate.


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Re: possible long-standing bug

Bob Cavanaugh
 

I 100% agree, in fact I remember suggesting something very similar to
what this add-on does years ago. I'll have to check out how NVDA
responds when I get this installed, as this may solve the problem I am
describing. Some of the commands I'm used to work with only slight
modification, but again, NVDA doesn't read as expected. I've found
that numpad insert+the down arrow key works just fine to read to end
as does JAWS and System Access.

On 11/22/20, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
NVDA reads the top line if there is print on it. While people who use JAWS

grow used to such announcements as top, they really aren't necessary in my
opinion.

I can't say how others would react if such speech were added or if it should

be added as default behavior. I consider it to be annoyingly intrusive.

I can't comment on Excel (spelling) in terms of what feedback may be
important but when moving through a list of files, the top one is announced

when you move to it and the bottom one is. I already discussed documents.

You can read about and down load the add-on at:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/numpadNavMode.en.html

The add-on allows the user to use numpad insert numpad 2 for read to end.
This may be a real convenience to JAWS users who are used to constantly
using that command. I have long thought that it should be made available in

NVDA because it is such a convenient way of initiating read to end. I can
move up and down by line using numpad 8 to move up and numpad 2 to move down

and use insert numpad insert 2 to initiate read to end when I get to where I

want to do that. Not only is it more convenient than any means available in

NVDA without changing input commands, but it is important for people with
problems using two hands. It is a very convenient one-hand command to
initiate read to end.

I think this is important enough that this add-on should be incorporated
into the core and that it be discussed on the transition page for JAWS users

and in the manual and training material.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2020 2:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible long-standing bug

I don't have any add-ons on this copy of NVDA, the only one I ever
used was the OCR one on my desktop. I'll have to look into the add-on
that changes the numpad functions, as I'd like to be able to fully use
the normal numpad functions when running NVDA. What's that add-on
called? Even without it, some of the Windows commands work that use
the numpad's Windows functions, but what I'd like is for NVDA to give
some kind of feedback about that. JAWS says "top of file" and System
Access simply reads the first line when the command is pressed to go
to the top of the file. NVDA says nothing until another action is
taken. I'm not familiar with what JAWS says when switching sheets in
Excel as it's been years since I've used those two programs together,
but System Access says the name of the sheet as soon as you press the
command to change sheets, while NVDA requires a press of an additional
command to make sure that you have indeed switched sheets.

On 11/22/20, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I didn't make this clear in my last message. Whenever an add-on is being
used or something else is being used or done that might alter the effect
of

how something works, it should be stated in a message dealing with the
thing

or process that is altered. Even if it seems unimportant, it should be
stated that this or that is being used. While I said in my last message
that is inaccurate to talk about the numpad being off, even if that had
been

stated, saying that the add-on is being used would have made what is
being
described completely clear to those who know what the add-on does.
Often, reports of technical probllems are made not as clear as they would

be

if infrmation about what is being used or details of what is being done
are

omitted.

My comments about the inaccuracy of the description aren't meant to be
negatively critical nor single someone out. Often, such information as
something being used that changes something or information detailing what

is

done is omitted from possible problem reports, which makes the
understanding

of what the problem may be unclear.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2020 1:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible long-standing bug

The add-on is evidently being used that disables the numpad in its
default
functions for NVDA review commands. If this is done, NVDA 7 does
function
as home, its default function in Windows if no program is using that key
for
its own purpose. It should be specified that the add-on is being used if
it
is. Saying something like have the numpad off is confusing and isn't
accurate. The numpad is functioning, it is performing its Windows
functions.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 11:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible long-standing bug



This might sound like a silly question, but is your num-lock on? If it is
not that might explain what's going on, maybe. If not, then feel free to
write back. I use the laptop functions, so that's about all I know.

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On 21 Nov 2020, at 21:13, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:



Hi all,
Please forgive me if I'm reporting in the wrong place, but I've
noticed a bug that has been kind of annoying since I've been primarily
using a laptop. I'd have to investigate whether or not NVDA reads
things as expected if I use the actual buttons, but if using the
numpad, it does not. For instance, with the numpad off, 7 acts as the
home key, with control+home moving to the top of the file. It's been a
while since I've tried this using the actual home key, but while
control+numpad 7 works as expected, there is no verbal indication that
it does so, it's only by using the arrow keys to move around the
document that you are made aware of the position change. Something
similar happens when switching sheets in Excel. The commands are
control+page up (numpad 9) and control+page down (numpad 3) to switch
between sheets. However, NVDA does not say the name of the sheet you
are working with until you take some other action on the sheet.
Bob




















Re: NVDA OCR and what it presents afterward

 

One addition with regard to PDF-XChange Viewer's OCR function:

The OCR functionality supports a base language set of English, French, German and Spanish. Additional language extension packages are available here.

I once had a client using it on Swedish texts, which is one of the optional languages available.  The language extension packages are also free.
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Re: NVDA OCR and what it presents afterward

Gene
 

I haven't seen it discussed and I haven't used the OCR feature in the program. It sounds as though that is what you will have to do but there are alternatives to using NVDA, which I expect will be discussed.

I use Openbook but that isn't a practical alternative in your case and I haven't followed the discussions about free alternatives carefully.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Marisane Moruthanyana
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2020 5:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] your help

Morning Gene

Does it mean then that one should go to the next page and start the
OCR processing all over again?

Shoo! that is a painstaking exercise, especially when the document is long.

Wally

On 11/22/20, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
Per documentation whichI hope is present in the manual, the document
only shown 1 screen at a time. If and only if the document can show up
on 1 screen will the whole thing show up else you only see the screen
with maybe that one sentence that ocr was able to capture.

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On 22 Nov 2020, at 5:16, Marisane Moruthanyana wrote:

Hi gurus

I trust you are well.

I am trying to cope.

I am troubled by nvda.

I cannot understand why nvda does not show up all the information even
after the OCR process has been made.

It says that the document has been recognised, but only a sentence or
a page is shown up.

Why is that? How do I make it do that?

Please help.
Wally from SA