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Re: NVDA 2021.1 Beta 4 now available

Quentin Christensen
 

Normally, of course, it shouldn't matter how you update, but it's good to have people try both ways to identify issues exactly like this.  In fact it is hard to test updating from a build of NVDA to a newer one without actually publishing that newer one using the check for updates routine - so this would have been a tricky one to pin down prior to the new beta being released.

I must admit, as soon as I think I know how the "average" NVDA user does something, someone comes along and does it a completely different way and then asks me a question about it.

There is a video meme going around of a developer watching a user put different shaped blocks in shaped holes.  They cheer when they pick up the square and put it in the square shaped hole.  Then they pick up a round block.... and put it through the square hole (where it fits), and then a rectangle block, and a triangle block - it turns out ALL the blocks fit through the square hole.... and the developer cries because that wasn't how they envisaged it working at all.  Drifted off the track there a bit, but suffice to say, it's good to test things in as many different ways a possible :)

Meanwhile, keep an eye out for Beta 5, likely later today or tomorrow.

Quentin.

On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 7:50 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 05:44 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Because it is not how the normal user uses the release software.
-
Precisely.  And it's not normal released software, either.   Alpha and beta software are, as far as I'm concerned, in classes by themselves.  I'm not trying to imitate what goes on when I'm using production releases and I always expect that either alpha or beta software could very well have inherent issues that don't necessarily get fixed via a "typical built-in update" path.  Neither really have anything to do with "usual use cases" on the whole.  Once you reach release candidate stage, that shifts.

But, after all that, I was just reporting my standard practice.  And now I've expounded on why it's my standard practice.  Others need not share that practice nor approve of it.  Do whatever happens to float your boat.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 



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Training and Support Manager


Re: Problem updating from beta3 to beta4

Quentin Christensen
 

Just to reiterate my comment on this thread (and the beta announcement thread) from yesterday - there is a bug we are aware of when updating using check for updates.  Please download Beta 4 manually from the announcement and update that way, as Rosemarie indicated.


In general of course, it should work either way, and we would normally encourage people to try using different methods to identify exactly errors like this.

Meanwhile keep an eye out for Beta 5 likely later today or tomorrow.  In the meantime I would encourage those using languages other than English particularly to still try Beta 4 as it includes a lot of updated translations - if there are any issues with any of those, it would be great to identify those as soon as possible.  As far as we are aware - the only issue with Beta 4 is in updating it from within NVDA - once it's running, everything SHOULD (to our knowledge) work normally - but of course, that is why we put out these beta releases, so we can identify issues before the final version comes out.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 2:02 AM Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi,


It's better to install it from the announcement link instead of "check for updates". That's how I got it.



On 6/23/2021 2:43 AM, Nikos Demetriou via groups.io wrote:
Hi.
I am having a problem updating from beta3 to beta 4 of nvda 2021.1.

This is the first time I had an issue like this one.

I go in to help menu and I download the update.
I check the option about the incompatible addons and I press the install button.

I get the start music of the nvda installer.
The installer doesn't start and I get the following message.

---------------------------
Error
---------------------------
usage: nvda_noUIAccess.exe [-h] [-q] [-k] [-f LOGFILENAME]
                           [-l {10,12,15,20,30,40,50,100}] [-c CONFIGPATH]
                           [-m] [-s] [--disable-addons] [--debug-logging]
                           [--no-logging] [--no-sr-flag]
                           [--install | --install-silent | --create-portable | --create-portable-silent]
                           [--portable-path PORTABLEPATH] [--launcher]
                           [--enable-start-on-logon True|False]
                           [--copy-portable-config] [--ease-of-access]

error: argument -m/--minimal: ignored explicit argument '--log-level=10'
---------------------------
OK  
---------------------------
Nikos



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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: Can NVDA be made to speak when filters are aplied to a column?

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Pranav,

It's not currently possible, however we have two similar issues for this:

and

I would recommend commenting on the relevant issue with any additional information you can provide.

Quentin.

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 10:40 PM Pranav Lal <pranav@...> wrote:
Hi all,

When I am moving by using the left and right arrows in an Excel worksheet, I
need to know if filters are active and have been applied. This is not
happening. Does NVDA support speaking this?

At work, I use both NVDA and jaws and found this feature of jaws handy.

Pranav








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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: Webex Accessibility Regression

 

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 06:31 PM, JM Casey wrote:
it’s usually an isolated machine?
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There are legitimate reasons, particularly in the case of obsolete software that does things like running actual equipment that has never been rewritten, and where replacing the equipment it controls would be insanely expensive and/or wasteful since it still works, to have out-of-support versions of Windows in use IF IT IS AIR GAPPED FROM CYBERSPACE.

tim wrote, in part:  Your going to find a lot of companies along with the government are so far back on upgrades its funny.

 Well, having worked in state government for years, I can say that you're absolutely correct, but only to the extent that the latest version of "thing X" is not typically in use.  But out of support, entirely out of support, software, and particularly office suites and operating systems, are virtually never in broad use.  It violates both IT policies and, in many places, the law.  Security does matter, and the easiest way to create massive security holes is the use of unsupported software that will never have any patches in contact with cyberspace.

What might be going on in tiny town governments "in the middle of nowhere" is another story.  And no one should believe those circumstances, whatever they may be, can be considered a representative sample of common practice in larger, better funded, government entities with dedicated IT departments.

But I can absolutely agree that government IT departments, as a general rule, tend to upgrade/update at the very tail end of the window prior to support dropping entirely.  I worked on XP for several years after 7 came into existence (and both were still supported by Microsoft) and there was a lot of resistance in some quarters to updating to Windows 7 even after most had been using it on their own home machines for quite a while.  And a lot of that is driven, unfortunately, on how poorly many deal with change and the avalanche of calls that come for even the simplest changes in the UI, among other things.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Will NVDA running from a USB stick on a friends PC leave any files behind after use?

Blaster
 

Thanks Luke, I'll pass that good advice on and it's much appreciated.

Take care,
Blaster

On 6/23/21, Luke Davis <luke@newanswertech.com> wrote:
Blaster wrote:

Will NVDA running on a USB stick on another person's PC leave any
files or setting changes behind that would require a little clean up
Hypothetically, no. However if you are using any add-ons in the version
of NVDA on the stick, it can't be guaranteed that none of those are badly
written enough to do that.
Community approved add-ons shouldn't have this problem, but those from
other sources could.

An add-on can write to anywhere on the system that the current user can
write too, although I'm sure most of them don't have any reason to do
that.

If you stick to those from https://addons.nvda-project.org (or the "get
add-ons" button in the manager), and the ones you choose don't
specifically say they will be writing files, then you shouldn't have a
problem with add-ons.

As far as settings changes: a portable copy shouldn't change any settings
that I can think of, at least not in a negative way.

Luke






Re: Will NVDA running from a USB stick on a friends PC leave any files behind after use?

 

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 06:31 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
As far as settings changes: a portable copy shouldn't change any settings that I can think of, at least not in a negative way.
-
And, to be honest, were a "rogue add-on" actually write out a file, somewhere, it is very highly unlikely that the "somewhere" is a location that the end user is likely to visit.  The number of temp files that get created by all sorts of programs that no one ever sees is large.  Hence the reason for temp file cleaning utilities as well, because many programs that create these sorts of files don't "tidy up after themselves" as they should.

This is one of those situations where there are too many variables to be able give a definitive answer without having them all nailed down.

But we're both in agreement that the probability is that portable NVDA, even with add-ons in use, is unlikely to leave any trace of itself behind.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Will NVDA running from a USB stick on a friends PC leave any files behind after use?

Luke Davis
 

Blaster wrote:

Will NVDA running on a USB stick on another person's PC leave any
files or setting changes behind that would require a little clean up
Hypothetically, no. However if you are using any add-ons in the version of NVDA on the stick, it can't be guaranteed that none of those are badly written enough to do that.
Community approved add-ons shouldn't have this problem, but those from other sources could.

An add-on can write to anywhere on the system that the current user can write too, although I'm sure most of them don't have any reason to do that.

If you stick to those from https://addons.nvda-project.org (or the "get add-ons" button in the manager), and the ones you choose don't specifically say they will be writing files, then you shouldn't have a problem with add-ons.

As far as settings changes: a portable copy shouldn't change any settings that I can think of, at least not in a negative way.

Luke


Re: Webex Accessibility Regression

JM Casey
 

Oh, I’ve seen it too. I trained for a transcription company on an XP machine just a couple of years ago. Old software never reallyd ies, it just kind of fades away.

I guess it’s fine if you’re not connected to an outside network. Regular XP isn’t even NT windows so I think (?) it’s usually an isolated machine?

I’d certainly be worried about North Carolina at this point though.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: June 23, 2021 06:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Webex Accessibility Regression

 

Seriously? You’ve got to be joking. These companies need to update their stuff.  The web changes its code all the time. IE is not supported anymore.  That is ridiculous!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: tim
Sent: June 23, 2021 9:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Webex Accessibility Regression

 

Your going to find a lot of companies along with the government are so far back on upgrades its funny.

Here in NC they are still using xp in local and federal buildings. Even the call center I worked at 10 years ago is still using xp with JFW9.

The reason for that is cost. It cost to move up and site licenses are not cheep.

 

 

 

On 6/23/2021 11:21 AM, kyleborah1234321@... wrote:

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 10:09 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:


Whoever is maintaining Windows 10 at this site also needs to get off the stick.  Having 1903 at this point in time is jaw-dropping, even for educational or enterprise installations.  It is out of support, by months now, as 1903 is what would be called, in current terms, an H1 (first half of the year) release which is in support for 18 months from the date of release.

It needs to be brought up to a supported version, pronto.


I would agree, but I have one word for you: government.

 


Re: Webex Accessibility Regression

Arlene
 

Seriously? You’ve got to be joking. These companies need to update their stuff.  The web changes its code all the time. IE is not supported anymore.  That is ridiculous!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: tim
Sent: June 23, 2021 9:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Webex Accessibility Regression

 

Your going to find a lot of companies along with the government are so far back on upgrades its funny.

Here in NC they are still using xp in local and federal buildings. Even the call center I worked at 10 years ago is still using xp with JFW9.

The reason for that is cost. It cost to move up and site licenses are not cheep.

 

 

 

On 6/23/2021 11:21 AM, kyleborah1234321@... wrote:

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 10:09 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:


Whoever is maintaining Windows 10 at this site also needs to get off the stick.  Having 1903 at this point in time is jaw-dropping, even for educational or enterprise installations.  It is out of support, by months now, as 1903 is what would be called, in current terms, an H1 (first half of the year) release which is in support for 18 months from the date of release.

It needs to be brought up to a supported version, pronto.


I would agree, but I have one word for you: government.

 


Re: Webex Accessibility Regression

Arlene
 

Same here! I threw mine out the window just recently!  I don’t use it anymore.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: June 23, 2021 11:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Webex Accessibility Regression

 

Well yeah.

Its why I have been updating initial stuff ahead of time but it was the main reason why I switched to nvda for my primary.

In the early days before I knew things would drop out completely as in reguards to vista and even xp, I retired my flatbed scanner ahead of time and my old recorder in stages.

That saved me 1000 bucks I would have had to spend all at once.

Then there was my pc which I had to update.

Then there were programs, and while a lot were opensource some I had to update.

Thankfully I was able to signup for the dolphin beta last year which meant I got my old screen reader back and didn't have to fork out for that to.

However that was wwhy I didn't update.

If I had to buy jaws myself I'd probably still be back on xxp to.

My next push up will be usb c when that appears, and how my system will continue.

With the end of most laptops without secondary storage, my next plan is either a desk tower or one of those miniture pcs so who knows.

 

I'd prefer to keep going as I have but that may not be possible, certainly its going to cost a lot less to move away from a full laptop especially since most of my work is at my desk.

I mean I will have a laptop for some remote stuff but it aint going to be my primary driver.

Though for those on windows 7 and 8 from winaero amd has just dropped support for their hardware so once hardware support does drop there will need to be forced updates.

But at a university where I do a lot of work they can't afford upgrading from xp for some applications and devices.

Those devices and applications cost millions to buy.

They will cost a lot more to upgrade and even before covid funding was being slashed all over the place.

I'd imagine it will be harder now.

My mum's work has just done an emergency update on their printer because it failed last year.

They thought about doing something in january as their unit kept jamming and being really bad.

They have just got an emergency order for a new unit and it finally came yesterday so yeah everything is going up in price.

 

 

 

On 24/06/2021 4:26 am, tim wrote:

Your going to find a lot of companies along with the government are so far back on upgrades its funny.

Here in NC they are still using xp in local and federal buildings. Even the call center I worked at 10 years ago is still using xp with JFW9.

The reason for that is cost. It cost to move up and site licenses are not cheep.

 

 

 

On 6/23/2021 11:21 AM, kyleborah1234321@... wrote:

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 10:09 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:


Whoever is maintaining Windows 10 at this site also needs to get off the stick.  Having 1903 at this point in time is jaw-dropping, even for educational or enterprise installations.  It is out of support, by months now, as 1903 is what would be called, in current terms, an H1 (first half of the year) release which is in support for 18 months from the date of release.

It needs to be brought up to a supported version, pronto.


I would agree, but I have one word for you: government.

.

 


Re: NVDA 2021.1 Beta 4 now available

 

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 05:44 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Because it is not how the normal user uses the release software.
-
Precisely.  And it's not normal released software, either.   Alpha and beta software are, as far as I'm concerned, in classes by themselves.  I'm not trying to imitate what goes on when I'm using production releases and I always expect that either alpha or beta software could very well have inherent issues that don't necessarily get fixed via a "typical built-in update" path.  Neither really have anything to do with "usual use cases" on the whole.  Once you reach release candidate stage, that shifts.

But, after all that, I was just reporting my standard practice.  And now I've expounded on why it's my standard practice.  Others need not share that practice nor approve of it.  Do whatever happens to float your boat.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA 2021.1 Beta 4 now available

Luke Davis
 

Brian Vogel wrote:

period.  I download, uninstall the existing beta, and install the next beta version.  Your NVDA settings, add-ons, etc., are retained, so why not start as
close to completely afresh as you can?
Because it is not how the normal user uses the release software.

My thought when testing betas, is to try not to treat them any differently then the release software would be treated in the majority of cases.

So if I want to test what the average user would find, I should behave like the average user would behave.
In this case, that means updating from the help menu.

I can see your fresh install point of view because it replaces the codebase, but to me that is unrealistic to how most users would deploy the software.

It neither simulates updates (because people don't update that way), nor simulates fresh installs (because you keep your userdata). Thus it is an abnormal modality for the software to be used in, and misses tests for the usual use cases.

Luke


Re: Differential behavior with NVDA Portable versus Installed when working with Microsoft Word on windows 10

Marten Post Uiterweer
 

hi Walter,

Sorry, I have not red your mail correctly. Forget the %appdata%
ssolution and to delete the nvda profile. That is not an solution for
your problem.


Kind regards, Marten

On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 22:10:05 +0200 "Marten Post Uiterweer" <martenpu@xs4all.nl> wrote:

Hi Walter,

You could try to delete the nvda profile.
First close the local copy of nvda.
you can use the portable version of nvda or narrator to do this.
Open the startmenu type:
%appdata%
enter and there is an nvda folder. delete or rename this folder and
start the local copy of nvda. It will create a new profile.
you have to know, that also vocalizer voices and plugins are removed
this way, so you have to install them again.

Kind regards, Marten

On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 20:39:03 +0200 "Walter via groups.io" <walterzuiderwijk=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi I just wanted to introduce myself.
My name is Walter Zuiderwijk I have an NVDA problem at work.
When I start a portable version of NVDA and I open microsoft it gets blocked. Then I get the message that the program is closing and a solution is given if it is available.
When I then started NVDA locally from the computer together with someone, there was nothing to worry about, which was an older version than the portable version, which was the newest version.
Do you maybe know what the problem is?
Thank you very much for any solution

Kind regards walter


Groet Walter







Re: Differential behavior with NVDA Portable versus Installed when working with Microsoft Word on windows 10

Marten Post Uiterweer
 

Hi Walter,

You could try to delete the nvda profile.
First close the local copy of nvda.
you can use the portable version of nvda or narrator to do this.
Open the startmenu type:
%appdata%
enter and there is an nvda folder. delete or rename this folder and
start the local copy of nvda. It will create a new profile.
you have to know, that also vocalizer voices and plugins are removed
this way, so you have to install them again.

Kind regards, Marten

On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 20:39:03 +0200 "Walter via groups.io" <walterzuiderwijk=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi I just wanted to introduce myself.
My name is Walter Zuiderwijk I have an NVDA problem at work.
When I start a portable version of NVDA and I open microsoft it gets blocked. Then I get the message that the program is closing and a solution is given if it is available.
When I then started NVDA locally from the computer together with someone, there was nothing to worry about, which was an older version than the portable version, which was the newest version.
Do you maybe know what the problem is?
Thank you very much for any solution

Kind regards walter


Groet Walter




Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

 

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 03:16 PM, JM Casey wrote:
I have mixed and very complicated feelings about ads on the internet.
-
I don't.  The business model for internet advertising is perverse, and need not be what it is.

Internet advertising should be handled just like an extension to print media advertising:  you pay for placement.  When you advertise in print media, on television, or even on the radio you do not pay or not pay depending on whether any set number of individuals do or do not actually engage with the ad, whether that be seeing it and reading it, seeing it broadcast, or listening to it broadcast.  You pay by placement and based on total circulation/audience numbers, whether one member of the audience engages, nearly all of them do, or none of them do.

If web advertising were not just so darned intrusive in far too many cases, I'd be fine with it.  In the case of those of us that see (and I know the analog exists for those who don't, too) even silent ads that are flashing, scrolling, flipping through images, etc., is just visually distracting in the extreme, and makes actually reading a nightmare.

Since I pay for my internet bandwidth, I also don't want that eaten up by things other than those I choose.

I have never felt a moment's compunction about using ad blockers, and never will.  It is entirely possible for companies with major internet media presence to price their advertising as they do for all other media, not for whether there were countable "eyes on," for a specific ad.  It's even more stupid when there is no guarantee that having "eyes on" (and you all know what I mean, substitute ears on as needed) actually means that you had that in any meaningful sense.  Something having been served up on a page does not come close to guaranteeing engagement.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Differential behavior with NVDA Portable versus Installed when working with Microsoft Word on windows 10

Walter
 

Thankyou so much for the quic reaction

Groet Walter

Op 23 jun. 2021 om 21:09 heeft Blaster <blaster.nil8@gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:

Some businesses block the use of external USB devices for security
reasons. If this is the case, your network admin may allow access for
your PC if you explain your situation.

HTH,
Blaster


On 6/23/21, Walter via groups.io <walterzuiderwijk=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi I just wanted to introduce myself.
My name is Walter Zuiderwijk I have an NVDA problem at work.
When I start a portable version of NVDA and I open microsoft it gets
blocked. Then I get the message that the program is closing and a solution
is given if it is available.
When I then started NVDA locally from the computer together with someone,
there was nothing to worry about, which was an older version than the
portable version, which was the newest version.
Do you maybe know what the problem is?
Thank you very much for any solution

Kind regards walter


Groet Walter









Re: Differential behavior with NVDA Portable versus Installed when working with Microsoft Word on windows 10

Walter
 

My apologies I will find out for you which version this is I'm sorry I didn't post this when I was at work but I did this at home because we are not allowed to send private messages at work.
Tomorrow I'll check the verzies of both windows10 and the two NVDA verzies
I apologize for the inconvenience.
 
Verzonden vanuit Mail voor Windows 10
 

Groet Walter

Op 23 jun. 2021 om 21:13 heeft Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> het volgende geschreven:

BTW, I have corrected the spelling on "when" in the topic title, which I am responsible for having introduced.  Please, if possible, respond to messages that have "when" not "wheh."
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

JM Casey
 

I have mixed and very complicated feelings about ads on the internet. I generally would rather not see them but this is how some of my favourtie providers of content get revenue. And they deserve that revenue. Still, they are an inconvenience that I’d rather not deal with, most of the time.

But if it were a choice between ads specifically running on websites or for example youtube videos, and ads generated by a browser and its private cadre of advertisers – I think I would rather go for the former.

Good to know you can opt out entirely, for sure.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: June 23, 2021 03:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

 

I'll also simply say that Brave allows you to opt in or out of Brave Rewards and associated advertising.  I believe it is opt-in as default, but I could be wrong.  I do know I'm opted out, and get no advertising at all from them (or, really, anyone, but occasionally the very rare thing that has not as yet been filtered slips through).

So long as I can exercise the choice I prefer, I don't care one bit what the default is when I am doing a fresh install.  I do care that my choice remain permanent through subsequent updating cycles, and it has remained so.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Differential behavior with NVDA Portable versus Installed when working with Microsoft Word on windows 10

 

BTW, I have corrected the spelling on "when" in the topic title, which I am responsible for having introduced.  Please, if possible, respond to messages that have "when" not "wheh."
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA does not read the context menu in the Edge browser

 

I'll also simply say that Brave allows you to opt in or out of Brave Rewards and associated advertising.  I believe it is opt-in as default, but I could be wrong.  I do know I'm opted out, and get no advertising at all from them (or, really, anyone, but occasionally the very rare thing that has not as yet been filtered slips through).

So long as I can exercise the choice I prefer, I don't care one bit what the default is when I am doing a fresh install.  I do care that my choice remain permanent through subsequent updating cycles, and it has remained so.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 

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