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locked Re: Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

I m wondering that if by default Firefox 89 is having the box concerning blocking accessibility checked checked by default.  If this is true, there is a way using a hack of some sort involving the configuration editor to uncheck it without having to use sighted assistance.  Unfortunately, I seem to have deleted the information concerning just how this is done.

On 6/2/2021 2:16 PM, Jackie wrote:
Obviously not, since I'm the 1 who actually started this thread. Given
that at least 1 other individual is experiencing this, & given that
Mozilla has made significant underlying changes to its interface, I'd
seriously suggest updating w/caution. I guess I'll not comment any
more though, because Narrator & Jaws don't work w/it either, so I
think this is not an issue w/NVDA, & I apologize for posting regarding
it.

Interestingly, if I start firefox when choosing a profile every time,
it works. If I select any profile & start it up w/o asking, it blows
up. In other words, even if I choose a profile from the profile list
and start it, everything's fine. If I load the same profile
automatically, stuff craters. Go figure! How the firetruck does one
report that & be believable?

On 6/2/21, brice Mijares <bmijares33@gmail.com> wrote:
Are you the only one having this problem? I'd like to know, that a way I
can say no to the update. thanks.

On 6/2/2021 9:49 AM, Sue J. Ward wrote:
 Hello. I am experiencing the same thing with NVDA, I uninstalled and
reinstalled firefox, ran the calm registration tool, created a new
profile, still nothing and did a system file check, did not find
anything. According to the scan everything was fixed on my windows10
home machine. That is the one I am on right now writing out the email.
Whenever I go to the website just to give you an example cbsnews.com,
I load it on to firefox and getting unknown message whenever I tab
around the page think it loads, whenever I press the arrow keys it
says unknown, am tabbing around again it comes up with unknown but am
not sure what is going on, but when I am going in to the help section,
I have to run the trouble shoot mode, it restarts in trouble shoot
mode everything is fine when am on a website so what is going on here?
I am not on a network of any kind just your typical modem from Cox.com
using a wired connection. However I do have a second machine windows10
pro 64 bit and both the home machine and the pro machine have
everything up to date and are running 64 bit, it is weird on the
windows10 pro I did not have to do anything firefox works great on
that one verses the home machine. I can not figure out why I have to
restart firefox in trouble shoot mode on the windows home machine. I
even did a reset think that would help, no such luck there. In fact I
did load jaws, nothing there. Could someone tell us what is going on
here? Thank you.
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Re: Welcome screen is not appeared

Quentin Christensen
 

The %temp% folder is your Windows temporary folder.  If you press WINDOWS+R to open the run dialog, then type %temp% (the percent sign, the letters t, e, m, p, and then the percent sign again) and press ENTER it should open the folder.  On Windows 10 you can also open File explorer (WINDOWS+E) and type that into the address bar.


On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 11:46 AM Christian’s Vlog <rolachristian11@...> wrote:
Where can I find the temp folder?


On Jun 3, 2021, at 8:47 AM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:


Which version of NVDA are you using?  NVDA 2020.4 is the version available from the main download page: https://www.nvaccess.org/download/

We are also in the beta period of the next version, so that is also currently being used by some users: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-1beta1/

Either way, in your %temp% folder, you should have a couple of files.  nvda.log is the log file for the current or most recent time NVDA was run.  nvda-old.log is the log file from the previous instance.  If NVDA has crashed there may also be nvda_crash.dmp.  If you could send as many of those as exist to me at info@... with a quick description I can see if I can find anything there.

Kind regards
Quentin.

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 10:36 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
If you turned off the welcome screen in the past, NVDA probably
remembers that.  As with most programs, though I haven't tested this,
NVDA probably remembers the settings you used previously with a
different installation.


To see the welcome dialog, do the following:

Use NVDA key n to open the NVDA menu.

Type h for help

then down arrow through the help submenu.

When you get to welcome dialog, press enter.  The welcome dialog will be
displayed.


Gene

On 6/2/2021 7:17 PM, Christian’s Vlog wrote:
> Hi nvda  users.
> I am from the Philippines I have problem on my nvda on my laptop
> I uninstall my nvda two months ago because my laptop is so lag I use narrator after my nvda is uninstalled
> So I decided to install again nvda last night after I downloaded on the website, I go to my downloads folder and then I find NVDA on my downloads folder
> And then I click NVDA file
> And then, the set up screen is appeared on my screen
> And then I turn off my narrator
> And then after the tone the NVDA speaks
> And then I checked agree on the check box and then I hit install on this computer
> And then I saw the three boxes and then I leave it alone and then I hit continue button
>
> And then my Secure screen  appeared and then I hit alt Y to accept the installation process on my laptop
> And then the installation starts
>   and then after that
> Nvda speak says successfully installed
> And then I click OK
> And then after that nvda restarts and then I wait a little while I heard a tone, and then
> Loading nvda. Please wait
> And then NVDA says downloads folder
> And then the welcome dialogue is not appeared
>   and then I tried control alt N
>   and then I heard Tone  and then after a second I heard another Tone again
>   and then it says loading nvda.  please wait
> And then the NVDA menu is not appeared
> So please can you help me?
>   thank you so much
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: A few questions about NVDA, eSpeak NG, and languages (non-programer)

Luis Carlos González Moráles
 

Wow great collaboration with the government! I'm just waiting answers in creating a spanish language voice for the synth.

Louder Pages wrote:

Daniel,

Have you come across RHVoice? It is an Open Source TTS with several languages.  RHVoice has its own NVDA add-on.

https://github.com/RHVoice

It uses HTS technology which provides more natural voices than e-speak.

We here at https://louderpages.org  are just completing a Macedonian voice commissioned by the government of N.Macedonia, and are starting work on Albanian.  

Reading about your interest in linguistics and phonetics, I think we could use your help in future projects.  We use a mix of U.K. and U.S. English as a working language, so we can save you from those Aussie punctuation marks. :)

I hope you will get in touch -  inq@...

Kind regards, Mark


Re: A few questions about NVDA, eSpeak NG, and languages (non-programer)

Louder Pages
 

Daniel,

Have you come across RHVoice? It is an Open Source TTS with several languages.  RHVoice has its own NVDA add-on.

https://github.com/RHVoice

It uses HTS technology which provides more natural voices than e-speak.

We here at https://louderpages.org  are just completing a Macedonian voice commissioned by the government of N.Macedonia, and are starting work on Albanian.  

Reading about your interest in linguistics and phonetics, I think we could use your help in future projects.  We use a mix of U.K. and U.S. English as a working language, so we can save you from those Aussie punctuation marks. :)

I hope you will get in touch -  inq@...

Kind regards, Mark


Re: Welcome screen is not appeared

Christian’s Vlog
 

Where can I find the temp folder?


On Jun 3, 2021, at 8:47 AM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:


Which version of NVDA are you using?  NVDA 2020.4 is the version available from the main download page: https://www.nvaccess.org/download/

We are also in the beta period of the next version, so that is also currently being used by some users: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-1beta1/

Either way, in your %temp% folder, you should have a couple of files.  nvda.log is the log file for the current or most recent time NVDA was run.  nvda-old.log is the log file from the previous instance.  If NVDA has crashed there may also be nvda_crash.dmp.  If you could send as many of those as exist to me at info@... with a quick description I can see if I can find anything there.

Kind regards
Quentin.

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 10:36 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
If you turned off the welcome screen in the past, NVDA probably
remembers that.  As with most programs, though I haven't tested this,
NVDA probably remembers the settings you used previously with a
different installation.


To see the welcome dialog, do the following:

Use NVDA key n to open the NVDA menu.

Type h for help

then down arrow through the help submenu.

When you get to welcome dialog, press enter.  The welcome dialog will be
displayed.


Gene

On 6/2/2021 7:17 PM, Christian’s Vlog wrote:
> Hi nvda  users.
> I am from the Philippines I have problem on my nvda on my laptop
> I uninstall my nvda two months ago because my laptop is so lag I use narrator after my nvda is uninstalled
> So I decided to install again nvda last night after I downloaded on the website, I go to my downloads folder and then I find NVDA on my downloads folder
> And then I click NVDA file
> And then, the set up screen is appeared on my screen
> And then I turn off my narrator
> And then after the tone the NVDA speaks
> And then I checked agree on the check box and then I hit install on this computer
> And then I saw the three boxes and then I leave it alone and then I hit continue button
>
> And then my Secure screen  appeared and then I hit alt Y to accept the installation process on my laptop
> And then the installation starts
>   and then after that
> Nvda speak says successfully installed
> And then I click OK
> And then after that nvda restarts and then I wait a little while I heard a tone, and then
> Loading nvda. Please wait
> And then NVDA says downloads folder
> And then the welcome dialogue is not appeared
>   and then I tried control alt N
>   and then I heard Tone  and then after a second I heard another Tone again
>   and then it says loading nvda.  please wait
> And then the NVDA menu is not appeared
> So please can you help me?
>   thank you so much
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: Welcome screen is not appeared

Christian’s Vlog
 

The latest version


On Jun 3, 2021, at 8:47 AM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:


Which version of NVDA are you using?  NVDA 2020.4 is the version available from the main download page: https://www.nvaccess.org/download/

We are also in the beta period of the next version, so that is also currently being used by some users: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-1beta1/

Either way, in your %temp% folder, you should have a couple of files.  nvda.log is the log file for the current or most recent time NVDA was run.  nvda-old.log is the log file from the previous instance.  If NVDA has crashed there may also be nvda_crash.dmp.  If you could send as many of those as exist to me at info@... with a quick description I can see if I can find anything there.

Kind regards
Quentin.

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 10:36 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
If you turned off the welcome screen in the past, NVDA probably
remembers that.  As with most programs, though I haven't tested this,
NVDA probably remembers the settings you used previously with a
different installation.


To see the welcome dialog, do the following:

Use NVDA key n to open the NVDA menu.

Type h for help

then down arrow through the help submenu.

When you get to welcome dialog, press enter.  The welcome dialog will be
displayed.


Gene

On 6/2/2021 7:17 PM, Christian’s Vlog wrote:
> Hi nvda  users.
> I am from the Philippines I have problem on my nvda on my laptop
> I uninstall my nvda two months ago because my laptop is so lag I use narrator after my nvda is uninstalled
> So I decided to install again nvda last night after I downloaded on the website, I go to my downloads folder and then I find NVDA on my downloads folder
> And then I click NVDA file
> And then, the set up screen is appeared on my screen
> And then I turn off my narrator
> And then after the tone the NVDA speaks
> And then I checked agree on the check box and then I hit install on this computer
> And then I saw the three boxes and then I leave it alone and then I hit continue button
>
> And then my Secure screen  appeared and then I hit alt Y to accept the installation process on my laptop
> And then the installation starts
>   and then after that
> Nvda speak says successfully installed
> And then I click OK
> And then after that nvda restarts and then I wait a little while I heard a tone, and then
> Loading nvda. Please wait
> And then NVDA says downloads folder
> And then the welcome dialogue is not appeared
>   and then I tried control alt N
>   and then I heard Tone  and then after a second I heard another Tone again
>   and then it says loading nvda.  please wait
> And then the NVDA menu is not appeared
> So please can you help me?
>   thank you so much
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: Welcome screen is not appeared

Gene
 

If you are using the desktop layout, which you are unless you changed it, it is either the main keyboard insert or the numpad insert.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Welcome screen is not appeared
 
So where is the nvda a key located? Thank you
> On Jun 3, 2021, at 8:36 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>
> If you turned off the welcome screen in the past, NVDA probably remembers that.  As with most programs, though I haven't tested this, NVDA probably remembers the settings you used previously with a different installation.
>
>
> To see the welcome dialog, do the following:
>
> Use NVDA key n to open the NVDA menu.
>
> Type h for help
>
> then down arrow through the help submenu.
>
> When you get to welcome dialog, press enter.  The welcome dialog will be displayed.
>
>
> Gene
>
>> On 6/2/2021 7:17 PM, Christian’s Vlog wrote:
>> Hi nvda  users.
>> I am from the Philippines I have problem on my nvda on my laptop
>> I uninstall my nvda two months ago because my laptop is so lag I use narrator after my nvda is uninstalled
>> So I decided to install again nvda last night after I downloaded on the website, I go to my downloads folder and then I find NVDA on my downloads folder
>> And then I click NVDA file
>> And then, the set up screen is appeared on my screen
>> And then I turn off my narrator
>> And then after the tone the NVDA speaks
>> And then I checked agree on the check box and then I hit install on this computer
>> And then I saw the three boxes and then I leave it alone and then I hit continue button
>>
>> And then my Secure screen  appeared and then I hit alt Y to accept the installation process on my laptop
>> And then the installation starts
>>  and then after that
>> Nvda speak says successfully installed
>> And then I click OK
>> And then after that nvda restarts and then I wait a little while I heard a tone, and then
>> Loading nvda. Please wait
>> And then NVDA says downloads folder
>> And then the welcome dialogue is not appeared
>>  and then I tried control alt N
>>  and then I heard Tone  and then after a second I heard another Tone again
>>  and then it says loading nvda.  please wait
>> And then the NVDA menu is not appeared
>> So please can you help me?
>>  thank you so much
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>





Re: Welcome screen is not appeared

Christian’s Vlog
 

So where is the nvda a key located? Thank you

On Jun 3, 2021, at 8:36 AM, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:

If you turned off the welcome screen in the past, NVDA probably remembers that. As with most programs, though I haven't tested this, NVDA probably remembers the settings you used previously with a different installation.


To see the welcome dialog, do the following:

Use NVDA key n to open the NVDA menu.

Type h for help

then down arrow through the help submenu.

When you get to welcome dialog, press enter. The welcome dialog will be displayed.


Gene

On 6/2/2021 7:17 PM, Christian’s Vlog wrote:
Hi nvda users.
I am from the Philippines I have problem on my nvda on my laptop
I uninstall my nvda two months ago because my laptop is so lag I use narrator after my nvda is uninstalled
So I decided to install again nvda last night after I downloaded on the website, I go to my downloads folder and then I find NVDA on my downloads folder
And then I click NVDA file
And then, the set up screen is appeared on my screen
And then I turn off my narrator
And then after the tone the NVDA speaks
And then I checked agree on the check box and then I hit install on this computer
And then I saw the three boxes and then I leave it alone and then I hit continue button

And then my Secure screen appeared and then I hit alt Y to accept the installation process on my laptop
And then the installation starts
and then after that
Nvda speak says successfully installed
And then I click OK
And then after that nvda restarts and then I wait a little while I heard a tone, and then
Loading nvda. Please wait
And then NVDA says downloads folder
And then the welcome dialogue is not appeared
and then I tried control alt N
and then I heard Tone and then after a second I heard another Tone again
and then it says loading nvda. please wait
And then the NVDA menu is not appeared
So please can you help me?
thank you so much










Re: Welcome screen is not appeared

Quentin Christensen
 

Which version of NVDA are you using?  NVDA 2020.4 is the version available from the main download page: https://www.nvaccess.org/download/

We are also in the beta period of the next version, so that is also currently being used by some users: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-1beta1/

Either way, in your %temp% folder, you should have a couple of files.  nvda.log is the log file for the current or most recent time NVDA was run.  nvda-old.log is the log file from the previous instance.  If NVDA has crashed there may also be nvda_crash.dmp.  If you could send as many of those as exist to me at info@... with a quick description I can see if I can find anything there.

Kind regards
Quentin.

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 10:36 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
If you turned off the welcome screen in the past, NVDA probably
remembers that.  As with most programs, though I haven't tested this,
NVDA probably remembers the settings you used previously with a
different installation.


To see the welcome dialog, do the following:

Use NVDA key n to open the NVDA menu.

Type h for help

then down arrow through the help submenu.

When you get to welcome dialog, press enter.  The welcome dialog will be
displayed.


Gene

On 6/2/2021 7:17 PM, Christian’s Vlog wrote:
> Hi nvda  users.
> I am from the Philippines I have problem on my nvda on my laptop
> I uninstall my nvda two months ago because my laptop is so lag I use narrator after my nvda is uninstalled
> So I decided to install again nvda last night after I downloaded on the website, I go to my downloads folder and then I find NVDA on my downloads folder
> And then I click NVDA file
> And then, the set up screen is appeared on my screen
> And then I turn off my narrator
> And then after the tone the NVDA speaks
> And then I checked agree on the check box and then I hit install on this computer
> And then I saw the three boxes and then I leave it alone and then I hit continue button
>
> And then my Secure screen  appeared and then I hit alt Y to accept the installation process on my laptop
> And then the installation starts
>   and then after that
> Nvda speak says successfully installed
> And then I click OK
> And then after that nvda restarts and then I wait a little while I heard a tone, and then
> Loading nvda. Please wait
> And then NVDA says downloads folder
> And then the welcome dialogue is not appeared
>   and then I tried control alt N
>   and then I heard Tone  and then after a second I heard another Tone again
>   and then it says loading nvda.  please wait
> And then the NVDA menu is not appeared
> So please can you help me?
>   thank you so much
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: Welcome screen is not appeared

Gene
 

If you turned off the welcome screen in the past, NVDA probably remembers that.  As with most programs, though I haven't tested this, NVDA probably remembers the settings you used previously with a different installation.


To see the welcome dialog, do the following:

Use NVDA key n to open the NVDA menu.

Type h for help

then down arrow through the help submenu.

When you get to welcome dialog, press enter.  The welcome dialog will be displayed.


Gene

On 6/2/2021 7:17 PM, Christian’s Vlog wrote:
Hi nvda users.
I am from the Philippines I have problem on my nvda on my laptop
I uninstall my nvda two months ago because my laptop is so lag I use narrator after my nvda is uninstalled
So I decided to install again nvda last night after I downloaded on the website, I go to my downloads folder and then I find NVDA on my downloads folder
And then I click NVDA file
And then, the set up screen is appeared on my screen
And then I turn off my narrator
And then after the tone the NVDA speaks
And then I checked agree on the check box and then I hit install on this computer
And then I saw the three boxes and then I leave it alone and then I hit continue button

And then my Secure screen appeared and then I hit alt Y to accept the installation process on my laptop
And then the installation starts
and then after that
Nvda speak says successfully installed
And then I click OK
And then after that nvda restarts and then I wait a little while I heard a tone, and then
Loading nvda. Please wait
And then NVDA says downloads folder
And then the welcome dialogue is not appeared
and then I tried control alt N
and then I heard Tone and then after a second I heard another Tone again
and then it says loading nvda. please wait
And then the NVDA menu is not appeared
So please can you help me?
thank you so much







Welcome screen is not appeared

Christian’s Vlog
 

Hi nvda users.
I am from the Philippines I have problem on my nvda on my laptop
I uninstall my nvda two months ago because my laptop is so lag I use narrator after my nvda is uninstalled
So I decided to install again nvda last night after I downloaded on the website, I go to my downloads folder and then I find NVDA on my downloads folder
And then I click NVDA file
And then, the set up screen is appeared on my screen
And then I turn off my narrator
And then after the tone the NVDA speaks
And then I checked agree on the check box and then I hit install on this computer
And then I saw the three boxes and then I leave it alone and then I hit continue button

And then my Secure screen appeared and then I hit alt Y to accept the installation process on my laptop
And then the installation starts
and then after that
Nvda speak says successfully installed
And then I click OK
And then after that nvda restarts and then I wait a little while I heard a tone, and then
Loading nvda. Please wait
And then NVDA says downloads folder
And then the welcome dialogue is not appeared
and then I tried control alt N
and then I heard Tone and then after a second I heard another Tone again
and then it says loading nvda. please wait
And then the NVDA menu is not appeared
So please can you help me?
thank you so much


locked Re: Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

Jackie
 

Well, the good news, folks, is that the bug been officially assigned
to James Teh. I've offered any assistance I can provide.

On 6/2/21, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
Basically you can beta test but you might have now 8 thousand pcs on the
real build and someone might have a configuration that burps (tech word)
that the beta testers didn’t have. In my 20 years of beta testing, I’ve
pretty much seen it all.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 3:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA



He is, but that doesn’t answer the questions I posed. I don’t know what his
work is nor if there are anywhere near enough screen-reader beta or alfa
testers.



I said in my first message on the subject that the problem should have been
discovered long before release. That may not be the case. I don’t know how
many people will be affected and I doubt anyone knows now. Even so, the
incident raises these questions. There was an incident perhaps six or eight
months ago where the status line in Thunderbird was misconfigured so speech
was forced and a great deal of intrusive information was reported. This
wasn’t a problem that may only have affected a small percent of users. It
affected all NVDA Thunderbird users. It may not have affected other
screen-reader users, I don’t know but again, why wasn’t the problem known or
corrected until after the production release?



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Jackie <mailto:abletec@gmail.com>

Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 5:35 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA



I thought James Teh was a Mozilla employee?

On 6/2/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com <mailto:gsasner@gmail.com> > wrote:
The episode raises questions. Are there blind people beta testing and if
so, how many are there? The number appears to be inadequate since this
problem should have been found long before release. Should Mozilla,
whatever it does or doesn’t do now, recruit testers on various lists and
from blindness advocacy organizations?

Do developers generally not recruit testers who have specific testing
purposes?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Jackie
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 5:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use
w/NVDA

I have reported this on Bugzilla. The bug number is 1714212. If others
would like to search it out & leave a comment confirming it, obviously
the more the merrier (or sadder, actually). But I do encourage anyone
experiencing it to let the Mozilla folks know that's the case. It'll
likely receive more attention that way.

On 6/2/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com <mailto:gsasner@gmail.com> > wrote:
That isn’t what I was referring to. I was referring to changing the
word
options to settings. Changing this one word will create an enormous
amount
of work for the volunteers who write and keep help articles current.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use
w/NVDA

The setting is part of the general section, so it should be reachable
without any extra steps.

I agree that these changes sometimes seem unnecessarily, but to be fair:
Firefox has now been like this for quite a long time, at least since the
advent of Quantum, and it reflects the way a lot of things look on
mobile
devices – and as everything is going multiplatform, this is just what we
are
seeing across the board nowadays. Once you get the hang of it, it’s not
too
inconvenient. The sections of various headings you see are controlled by
a
list box, and you just pick the category in the list box you want, and
the
headings with options will appear.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: June 2, 2021 03:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use
w/NVDA



You can control updates. You may have to turn browse mode off to see
the
part of the options or settings dialog where you select the category you
will work with.



Previously, the update selection was found in options. In a change in
the
current version, there is no more options. Now, its settings. Its in
the
tools folder still but the name was changed. Just one more unnecessary
change to momentarily confuse people and require that all support
documentation that mentioned options be rewritten. Do program
developers
ever consider what amount of useless and needless work some of their
completely unnecessary changes impose on people?



I’m not singling out Firefox developers but this is an example of how a
change in one word can cause a great deal of work.



There is no more updates section as a separate section in settings. it
is
now in the general settings, which is the one you work with by default
when
you open settings. Tab and tab and tab and you will eventually get to a
series of radio buttons for determining update behavior.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Chris via groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 2:20 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use
w/NVDA



Firefox automatically updates itself, Theres no way to stop it from
doing
so
anymore





From: JM Casey
Sent: 02 June 2021 19:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use
w/NVDA



So, how long before we all get v.89 unless we take steps not to update.
Don't want to be caught unawares before this happens.



-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Jackie

Sent: June 2, 2021 02:18 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use
w/NVDA



I've tried both w/the NVDA beta as well as the stable version, folks.

It's broken on my system, & that includes w/Narrator & Jaws also.



On 6/2/21, Jackie McBride <abletec@gmail.com <mailto:abletec@gmail.com> >
wrote:

Obviously not, since I'm the 1 who actually started this thread. Given
that at least 1 other individual is experiencing this, & given that
Mozilla has made significant underlying changes to its interface, I'd
seriously suggest updating w/caution. I guess I'll not comment any
more though, because Narrator & Jaws don't work w/it either, so I
think this is not an issue w/NVDA, & I apologize for posting regarding
it.
Interestingly, if I start firefox when choosing a profile every time,
it works. If I select any profile & start it up w/o asking, it blows
up. In other words, even if I choose a profile from the profile list
and start it, everything's fine. If I load the same profile
automatically, stuff craters. Go figure! How the firetruck does one
report that & be believable?
On 6/2/21, brice Mijares <bmijares33@gmail.com
<mailto:bmijares33@gmail.com> > wrote:
Are you the only one having this problem? I'd like to know, that a
way I can say no to the update. thanks.
On 6/2/2021 9:49 AM, Sue J. Ward wrote:
Hello. I am experiencing the same thing with NVDA, I uninstalled
and reinstalled firefox, ran the calm registration tool, created a
new profile, still nothing and did a system file check, did not find
anything. According to the scan everything was fixed on my windows10
home machine. That is the one I am on right now writing out the
email.
Whenever I go to the website just to give you an example
cbsnews.com, I load it on to firefox and getting unknown message
whenever I tab around the page think it loads, whenever I press the
arrow keys it says unknown, am tabbing around again it comes up with
unknown but am not sure what is going on, but when I am going in to
the help section, I have to run the trouble shoot mode, it restarts
in trouble shoot mode everything is fine when am on a website so what
is
going on here?
I am not on a network of any kind just your typical modem from
Cox.com using a wired connection. However I do have a second machine
windows10 pro 64 bit and both the home machine and the pro machine
have everything up to date and are running 64 bit, it is weird on
the
windows10 pro I did not have to do anything firefox works great on
that one verses the home machine. I can not figure out why I have to
restart firefox in trouble shoot mode on the windows home machine. I
even did a reset think that would help, no such luck there. In fact
I did load jaws, nothing there. Could someone tell us what is going
on here? Thank you.
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locked Re: Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

Basically you can beta test but you might have now 8 thousand pcs on the real build and someone might have  a configuration that burps (tech word) that the beta testers didn’t have. In my 20 years of beta testing, I’ve pretty much seen it all.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 3:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

 

He is, but that doesn’t answer the questions I posed.  I don’t know what his work is nor if there are anywhere near enough screen-reader beta or alfa testers. 

 

I said in my first message on the subject that the problem should have been discovered long before release.  That may not be the case.  I don’t know how many people will be affected and I doubt anyone knows now.  Even so, the incident raises these questions.  There was an incident perhaps six or eight months ago where the status line in Thunderbird was misconfigured so speech was forced and a great deal of intrusive information was reported.  This wasn’t a problem that may only have affected a small percent of users.  It affected all NVDA Thunderbird users.  It may not have affected other screen-reader users, I don’t know but again, why wasn’t the problem known or corrected until after the production release?

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Jackie

Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 5:35 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

 

I thought James Teh was a Mozilla employee?

On 6/2/21, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> The episode raises questions.  Are there blind people beta testing and if
> so, how many are there?  The number appears to be inadequate since this
> problem should have been found long before release.  Should Mozilla,
> whatever it does or doesn’t do now, recruit testers on various lists and
> from blindness advocacy organizations?
>
> Do developers generally not recruit testers who have specific testing
> purposes?
>
> Gene
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jackie
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 5:24 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA
>
> I have reported this on Bugzilla. The bug number is 1714212. If others
> would like to search it out & leave a comment confirming it, obviously
> the more the merrier (or sadder, actually). But I do encourage anyone
> experiencing it to let the Mozilla folks know that's the case. It'll
> likely receive more attention that way.
>
> On 6/2/21, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>> That isn’t what I was referring to.  I was referring to changing the word
>> options to settings.  Changing this one word will create an enormous
>> amount
>> of work for the volunteers who write and keep help articles current.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: JM Casey
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 2:52 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use
>> w/NVDA
>>
>> The setting is part of the general section, so it should be reachable
>> without any extra steps.
>>
>> I agree that these changes sometimes seem unnecessarily, but to be fair:
>> Firefox has now been like this for quite a long time, at least since the
>> advent of Quantum, and it reflects the way a lot of things look on mobile
>> devices – and as everything is going multiplatform, this is just what we
>> are
>> seeing across the board nowadays. Once you get the hang of it, it’s not
>> too
>> inconvenient. The sections of various headings you see are controlled by
>> a
>> list box, and you just pick the category in the list box you want, and
>> the
>> headings with options will appear.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: June 2, 2021 03:48 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use
>> w/NVDA
>>
>>
>>
>> You can control updates.  You may have to turn browse mode off to see the
>> part of the options or settings dialog where you select the category you
>> will work with.
>>
>>
>>
>> Previously, the update selection was found in options.  In a change in
>> the
>> current version, there is no more options.  Now, its settings.  Its in
>> the
>> tools folder still but the name was changed.  Just one more unnecessary
>> change to momentarily confuse people and require that all support
>> documentation that mentioned options be rewritten.  Do program developers
>> ever consider what amount of useless and needless work some of their
>> completely unnecessary changes impose on people?
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m not singling out Firefox developers but this is an example of how a
>> change in one word can cause a great deal of work.
>>
>>
>>
>> There is no more updates section as a separate section in settings.  it
>> is
>> now in the general settings, which is the one you work with by default
>> when
>> you open settings.  Tab and tab and tab and you will eventually get to a
>> series of radio buttons for determining update behavior.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: Chris via groups.io
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 2:20 PM
>>
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use
>> w/NVDA
>>
>>
>>
>> Firefox automatically updates itself, Theres no way to stop it from doing
>> so
>> anymore
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: JM Casey
>> Sent: 02 June 2021 19:27
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use
>> w/NVDA
>>
>>
>>
>> So, how long before we all get v.89 unless we take steps not to update.
>> Don't want to be caught unawares before this happens.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
>>
>> Sent: June 2, 2021 02:18 PM
>>
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use
>> w/NVDA
>>
>>
>>
>> I've tried both w/the NVDA beta as well as the stable version, folks.
>>
>> It's broken on my system, & that includes w/Narrator & Jaws also.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/2/21, Jackie McBride <abletec@...> wrote:
>>
>>> Obviously not, since I'm the 1 who actually started this thread. Given
>>
>>> that at least 1 other individual is experiencing this, & given that
>>
>>> Mozilla has made significant underlying changes to its interface, I'd
>>
>>> seriously suggest updating w/caution. I guess I'll not comment any
>>
>>> more though, because Narrator & Jaws don't work w/it either, so I
>>
>>> think this is not an issue w/NVDA, & I apologize for posting regarding
>>
>>> it.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Interestingly, if I start firefox when choosing a profile every time,
>>
>>> it works. If I select any profile & start it up w/o asking, it blows
>>
>>> up. In other words, even if I choose a profile from the profile list
>>
>>> and start it, everything's fine. If I load the same profile
>>
>>> automatically, stuff craters. Go figure! How the firetruck does one
>>
>>> report that & be believable?
>>
>>>
>>
>>> On 6/2/21, brice Mijares <bmijares33@...> wrote:
>>
>>>> Are you the only one having this problem? I'd like to know, that a
>>
>>>> way I can say no to the update. thanks.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> On 6/2/2021 9:49 AM, Sue J. Ward wrote:
>>
>>>>>  Hello. I am experiencing the same thing with NVDA, I uninstalled
>>
>>>>> and reinstalled firefox, ran the calm registration tool, created a
>>
>>>>> new profile, still nothing and did a system file check, did not find
>>
>>>>> anything. According to the scan everything was fixed on my windows10
>>
>>>>> home machine. That is the one I am on right now writing out the email.
>>
>>>>> Whenever I go to the website just to give you an example
>>
>>>>> cbsnews.com, I load it on to firefox and getting unknown message
>>
>>>>> whenever I tab around the page think it loads, whenever I press the
>>
>>>>> arrow keys it says unknown, am tabbing around again it comes up with
>>
>>>>> unknown but am not sure what is going on, but when I am going in to
>>
>>>>> the help section, I have to run the trouble shoot mode, it restarts
>>
>>>>> in trouble shoot mode everything is fine when am on a website so what
>>>>> is
>>>>> going on here?
>>
>>>>> I am not on a network of any kind just your typical modem from
>>
>>>>> Cox.com using a wired connection. However I do have a second machine
>>
>>>>> windows10 pro 64 bit and both the home machine and the pro machine
>>
>>>>> have everything up to date and are running 64 bit, it is weird on
>>
>>>>> the
>>
>>>>> windows10 pro I did not have to do anything firefox works great on
>>
>>>>> that one verses the home machine. I can not figure out why I have to
>>
>>>>> restart firefox in trouble shoot mode on the windows home machine. I
>>
>>>>> even did a reset think that would help, no such luck there. In fact
>>
>>>>> I did load jaws, nothing there. Could someone tell us what is going
>>
>>>>> on here? Thank you.
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locked Re: Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

brice Mijares
 

Thanks for the info. I've been using FX about 20 years and really haven't ran into to many  problems with the different versions. My other go to browser is Brave. Good luck.

On 6/2/2021 11:16 AM, Jackie wrote:
Obviously not, since I'm the 1 who actually started this thread. Given
that at least 1 other individual is experiencing this, & given that
Mozilla has made significant underlying changes to its interface, I'd
seriously suggest updating w/caution. I guess I'll not comment any
more though, because Narrator & Jaws don't work w/it either, so I
think this is not an issue w/NVDA, & I apologize for posting regarding
it.

Interestingly, if I start firefox when choosing a profile every time,
it works. If I select any profile & start it up w/o asking, it blows
up. In other words, even if I choose a profile from the profile list
and start it, everything's fine. If I load the same profile
automatically, stuff craters. Go figure! How the firetruck does one
report that & be believable?

On 6/2/21, brice Mijares <bmijares33@gmail.com> wrote:
Are you the only one having this problem? I'd like to know, that a way I
can say no to the update. thanks.

On 6/2/2021 9:49 AM, Sue J. Ward wrote:
 Hello. I am experiencing the same thing with NVDA, I uninstalled and
reinstalled firefox, ran the calm registration tool, created a new
profile, still nothing and did a system file check, did not find
anything. According to the scan everything was fixed on my windows10
home machine. That is the one I am on right now writing out the email.
Whenever I go to the website just to give you an example cbsnews.com,
I load it on to firefox and getting unknown message whenever I tab
around the page think it loads, whenever I press the arrow keys it
says unknown, am tabbing around again it comes up with unknown but am
not sure what is going on, but when I am going in to the help section,
I have to run the trouble shoot mode, it restarts in trouble shoot
mode everything is fine when am on a website so what is going on here?
I am not on a network of any kind just your typical modem from Cox.com
using a wired connection. However I do have a second machine windows10
pro 64 bit and both the home machine and the pro machine have
everything up to date and are running 64 bit, it is weird on the
windows10 pro I did not have to do anything firefox works great on
that one verses the home machine. I can not figure out why I have to
restart firefox in trouble shoot mode on the windows home machine. I
even did a reset think that would help, no such luck there. In fact I
did load jaws, nothing there. Could someone tell us what is going on
here? Thank you.
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locked Re: Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

Jackie
 

Well, it definitively took me considerable time to fix it--& I'm not a
fan of having my time wasted thus.

On 6/2/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
He is, but that doesn’t answer the questions I posed. I don’t know what his
work is nor if there are anywhere near enough screen-reader beta or alfa
testers.

I said in my first message on the subject that the problem should have been
discovered long before release. That may not be the case. I don’t know how
many people will be affected and I doubt anyone knows now. Even so, the
incident raises these questions. There was an incident perhaps six or eight
months ago where the status line in Thunderbird was misconfigured so speech
was forced and a great deal of intrusive information was reported. This
wasn’t a problem that may only have affected a small percent of users. It
affected all NVDA Thunderbird users. It may not have affected other
screen-reader users, I don’t know but again, why wasn’t the problem known or
corrected until after the production release?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Jackie
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 5:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

I thought James Teh was a Mozilla employee?

On 6/2/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
The episode raises questions. Are there blind people beta testing and if
so, how many are there? The number appears to be inadequate since this
problem should have been found long before release. Should Mozilla,
whatever it does or doesn’t do now, recruit testers on various lists and
from blindness advocacy organizations?

Do developers generally not recruit testers who have specific testing
purposes?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Jackie
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 5:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use
w/NVDA

I have reported this on Bugzilla. The bug number is 1714212. If others
would like to search it out & leave a comment confirming it, obviously
the more the merrier (or sadder, actually). But I do encourage anyone
experiencing it to let the Mozilla folks know that's the case. It'll
likely receive more attention that way.

On 6/2/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
That isn’t what I was referring to. I was referring to changing the
word
options to settings. Changing this one word will create an enormous
amount
of work for the volunteers who write and keep help articles current.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use
w/NVDA

The setting is part of the general section, so it should be reachable
without any extra steps.

I agree that these changes sometimes seem unnecessarily, but to be fair:
Firefox has now been like this for quite a long time, at least since the
advent of Quantum, and it reflects the way a lot of things look on
mobile
devices – and as everything is going multiplatform, this is just what we
are
seeing across the board nowadays. Once you get the hang of it, it’s not
too
inconvenient. The sections of various headings you see are controlled by
a
list box, and you just pick the category in the list box you want, and
the
headings with options will appear.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: June 2, 2021 03:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use
w/NVDA



You can control updates. You may have to turn browse mode off to see
the
part of the options or settings dialog where you select the category you
will work with.



Previously, the update selection was found in options. In a change in
the
current version, there is no more options. Now, its settings. Its in
the
tools folder still but the name was changed. Just one more unnecessary
change to momentarily confuse people and require that all support
documentation that mentioned options be rewritten. Do program
developers
ever consider what amount of useless and needless work some of their
completely unnecessary changes impose on people?



I’m not singling out Firefox developers but this is an example of how a
change in one word can cause a great deal of work.



There is no more updates section as a separate section in settings. it
is
now in the general settings, which is the one you work with by default
when
you open settings. Tab and tab and tab and you will eventually get to a
series of radio buttons for determining update behavior.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Chris via groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 2:20 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use
w/NVDA



Firefox automatically updates itself, Theres no way to stop it from
doing
so
anymore





From: JM Casey
Sent: 02 June 2021 19:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use
w/NVDA



So, how long before we all get v.89 unless we take steps not to update.
Don't want to be caught unawares before this happens.



-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie

Sent: June 2, 2021 02:18 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use
w/NVDA



I've tried both w/the NVDA beta as well as the stable version, folks.

It's broken on my system, & that includes w/Narrator & Jaws also.



On 6/2/21, Jackie McBride <abletec@gmail.com> wrote:

Obviously not, since I'm the 1 who actually started this thread. Given
that at least 1 other individual is experiencing this, & given that
Mozilla has made significant underlying changes to its interface, I'd
seriously suggest updating w/caution. I guess I'll not comment any
more though, because Narrator & Jaws don't work w/it either, so I
think this is not an issue w/NVDA, & I apologize for posting regarding
it.
Interestingly, if I start firefox when choosing a profile every time,
it works. If I select any profile & start it up w/o asking, it blows
up. In other words, even if I choose a profile from the profile list
and start it, everything's fine. If I load the same profile
automatically, stuff craters. Go figure! How the firetruck does one
report that & be believable?
On 6/2/21, brice Mijares <bmijares33@gmail.com> wrote:
Are you the only one having this problem? I'd like to know, that a
way I can say no to the update. thanks.
On 6/2/2021 9:49 AM, Sue J. Ward wrote:
Hello. I am experiencing the same thing with NVDA, I uninstalled
and reinstalled firefox, ran the calm registration tool, created a
new profile, still nothing and did a system file check, did not find
anything. According to the scan everything was fixed on my windows10
home machine. That is the one I am on right now writing out the
email.
Whenever I go to the website just to give you an example
cbsnews.com, I load it on to firefox and getting unknown message
whenever I tab around the page think it loads, whenever I press the
arrow keys it says unknown, am tabbing around again it comes up with
unknown but am not sure what is going on, but when I am going in to
the help section, I have to run the trouble shoot mode, it restarts
in trouble shoot mode everything is fine when am on a website so what
is
going on here?
I am not on a network of any kind just your typical modem from
Cox.com using a wired connection. However I do have a second machine
windows10 pro 64 bit and both the home machine and the pro machine
have everything up to date and are running 64 bit, it is weird on
the
windows10 pro I did not have to do anything firefox works great on
that one verses the home machine. I can not figure out why I have to
restart firefox in trouble shoot mode on the windows home machine. I
even did a reset think that would help, no such luck there. In fact
I did load jaws, nothing there. Could someone tell us what is going
on here? Thank you.
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locked Re: Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

Gene
 

He is, but that doesn’t answer the questions I posed.  I don’t know what his work is nor if there are anywhere near enough screen-reader beta or alfa testers. 
 
I said in my first message on the subject that the problem should have been discovered long before release.  That may not be the case.  I don’t know how many people will be affected and I doubt anyone knows now.  Even so, the incident raises these questions.  There was an incident perhaps six or eight months ago where the status line in Thunderbird was misconfigured so speech was forced and a great deal of intrusive information was reported.  This wasn’t a problem that may only have affected a small percent of users.  It affected all NVDA Thunderbird users.  It may not have affected other screen-reader users, I don’t know but again, why wasn’t the problem known or corrected until after the production release?
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Jackie
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA
 
I thought James Teh was a Mozilla employee?

On 6/2/21, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> The episode raises questions.  Are there blind people beta testing and if
> so, how many are there?  The number appears to be inadequate since this
> problem should have been found long before release.  Should Mozilla,
> whatever it does or doesn’t do now, recruit testers on various lists and
> from blindness advocacy organizations?
>
> Do developers generally not recruit testers who have specific testing
> purposes?
>
> Gene
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jackie
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 5:24 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA
>
> I have reported this on Bugzilla. The bug number is 1714212. If others
> would like to search it out & leave a comment confirming it, obviously
> the more the merrier (or sadder, actually). But I do encourage anyone
> experiencing it to let the Mozilla folks know that's the case. It'll
> likely receive more attention that way.
>
> On 6/2/21, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>> That isn’t what I was referring to.  I was referring to changing the word
>> options to settings.  Changing this one word will create an enormous
>> amount
>> of work for the volunteers who write and keep help articles current.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: JM Casey
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 2:52 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use
>> w/NVDA
>>
>> The setting is part of the general section, so it should be reachable
>> without any extra steps.
>>
>> I agree that these changes sometimes seem unnecessarily, but to be fair:
>> Firefox has now been like this for quite a long time, at least since the
>> advent of Quantum, and it reflects the way a lot of things look on mobile
>> devices – and as everything is going multiplatform, this is just what we
>> are
>> seeing across the board nowadays. Once you get the hang of it, it’s not
>> too
>> inconvenient. The sections of various headings you see are controlled by
>> a
>> list box, and you just pick the category in the list box you want, and
>> the
>> headings with options will appear.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: June 2, 2021 03:48 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use
>> w/NVDA
>>
>>
>>
>> You can control updates.  You may have to turn browse mode off to see the
>> part of the options or settings dialog where you select the category you
>> will work with.
>>
>>
>>
>> Previously, the update selection was found in options.  In a change in
>> the
>> current version, there is no more options.  Now, its settings.  Its in
>> the
>> tools folder still but the name was changed.  Just one more unnecessary
>> change to momentarily confuse people and require that all support
>> documentation that mentioned options be rewritten.  Do program developers
>> ever consider what amount of useless and needless work some of their
>> completely unnecessary changes impose on people?
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m not singling out Firefox developers but this is an example of how a
>> change in one word can cause a great deal of work.
>>
>>
>>
>> There is no more updates section as a separate section in settings.  it
>> is
>> now in the general settings, which is the one you work with by default
>> when
>> you open settings.  Tab and tab and tab and you will eventually get to a
>> series of radio buttons for determining update behavior.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: Chris via groups.io
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 2:20 PM
>>
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use
>> w/NVDA
>>
>>
>>
>> Firefox automatically updates itself, Theres no way to stop it from doing
>> so
>> anymore
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: JM Casey
>> Sent: 02 June 2021 19:27
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use
>> w/NVDA
>>
>>
>>
>> So, how long before we all get v.89 unless we take steps not to update.
>> Don't want to be caught unawares before this happens.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
>>
>> Sent: June 2, 2021 02:18 PM
>>
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use
>> w/NVDA
>>
>>
>>
>> I've tried both w/the NVDA beta as well as the stable version, folks.
>>
>> It's broken on my system, & that includes w/Narrator & Jaws also.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/2/21, Jackie McBride <abletec@...> wrote:
>>
>>> Obviously not, since I'm the 1 who actually started this thread. Given
>>
>>> that at least 1 other individual is experiencing this, & given that
>>
>>> Mozilla has made significant underlying changes to its interface, I'd
>>
>>> seriously suggest updating w/caution. I guess I'll not comment any
>>
>>> more though, because Narrator & Jaws don't work w/it either, so I
>>
>>> think this is not an issue w/NVDA, & I apologize for posting regarding
>>
>>> it.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Interestingly, if I start firefox when choosing a profile every time,
>>
>>> it works. If I select any profile & start it up w/o asking, it blows
>>
>>> up. In other words, even if I choose a profile from the profile list
>>
>>> and start it, everything's fine. If I load the same profile
>>
>>> automatically, stuff craters. Go figure! How the firetruck does one
>>
>>> report that & be believable?
>>
>>>
>>
>>> On 6/2/21, brice Mijares <bmijares33@...> wrote:
>>
>>>> Are you the only one having this problem? I'd like to know, that a
>>
>>>> way I can say no to the update. thanks.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> On 6/2/2021 9:49 AM, Sue J. Ward wrote:
>>
>>>>>  Hello. I am experiencing the same thing with NVDA, I uninstalled
>>
>>>>> and reinstalled firefox, ran the calm registration tool, created a
>>
>>>>> new profile, still nothing and did a system file check, did not find
>>
>>>>> anything. According to the scan everything was fixed on my windows10
>>
>>>>> home machine. That is the one I am on right now writing out the email.
>>
>>>>> Whenever I go to the website just to give you an example
>>
>>>>> cbsnews.com, I load it on to firefox and getting unknown message
>>
>>>>> whenever I tab around the page think it loads, whenever I press the
>>
>>>>> arrow keys it says unknown, am tabbing around again it comes up with
>>
>>>>> unknown but am not sure what is going on, but when I am going in to
>>
>>>>> the help section, I have to run the trouble shoot mode, it restarts
>>
>>>>> in trouble shoot mode everything is fine when am on a website so what
>>>>> is
>>>>> going on here?
>>
>>>>> I am not on a network of any kind just your typical modem from
>>
>>>>> Cox.com using a wired connection. However I do have a second machine
>>
>>>>> windows10 pro 64 bit and both the home machine and the pro machine
>>
>>>>> have everything up to date and are running 64 bit, it is weird on
>>
>>>>> the
>>
>>>>> windows10 pro I did not have to do anything firefox works great on
>>
>>>>> that one verses the home machine. I can not figure out why I have to
>>
>>>>> restart firefox in trouble shoot mode on the windows home machine. I
>>
>>>>> even did a reset think that would help, no such luck there. In fact
>>
>>>>> I did load jaws, nothing there. Could someone tell us what is going
>>
>>>>> on here? Thank you.
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locked Re: Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

Jackie
 

I thought James Teh was a Mozilla employee?

On 6/2/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
The episode raises questions. Are there blind people beta testing and if
so, how many are there? The number appears to be inadequate since this
problem should have been found long before release. Should Mozilla,
whatever it does or doesn’t do now, recruit testers on various lists and
from blindness advocacy organizations?

Do developers generally not recruit testers who have specific testing
purposes?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Jackie
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 5:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

I have reported this on Bugzilla. The bug number is 1714212. If others
would like to search it out & leave a comment confirming it, obviously
the more the merrier (or sadder, actually). But I do encourage anyone
experiencing it to let the Mozilla folks know that's the case. It'll
likely receive more attention that way.

On 6/2/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
That isn’t what I was referring to. I was referring to changing the word
options to settings. Changing this one word will create an enormous
amount
of work for the volunteers who write and keep help articles current.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use
w/NVDA

The setting is part of the general section, so it should be reachable
without any extra steps.

I agree that these changes sometimes seem unnecessarily, but to be fair:
Firefox has now been like this for quite a long time, at least since the
advent of Quantum, and it reflects the way a lot of things look on mobile
devices – and as everything is going multiplatform, this is just what we
are
seeing across the board nowadays. Once you get the hang of it, it’s not
too
inconvenient. The sections of various headings you see are controlled by
a
list box, and you just pick the category in the list box you want, and
the
headings with options will appear.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: June 2, 2021 03:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use
w/NVDA



You can control updates. You may have to turn browse mode off to see the
part of the options or settings dialog where you select the category you
will work with.



Previously, the update selection was found in options. In a change in
the
current version, there is no more options. Now, its settings. Its in
the
tools folder still but the name was changed. Just one more unnecessary
change to momentarily confuse people and require that all support
documentation that mentioned options be rewritten. Do program developers
ever consider what amount of useless and needless work some of their
completely unnecessary changes impose on people?



I’m not singling out Firefox developers but this is an example of how a
change in one word can cause a great deal of work.



There is no more updates section as a separate section in settings. it
is
now in the general settings, which is the one you work with by default
when
you open settings. Tab and tab and tab and you will eventually get to a
series of radio buttons for determining update behavior.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Chris via groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 2:20 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use
w/NVDA



Firefox automatically updates itself, Theres no way to stop it from doing
so
anymore





From: JM Casey
Sent: 02 June 2021 19:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use
w/NVDA



So, how long before we all get v.89 unless we take steps not to update.
Don't want to be caught unawares before this happens.



-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie

Sent: June 2, 2021 02:18 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use
w/NVDA



I've tried both w/the NVDA beta as well as the stable version, folks.

It's broken on my system, & that includes w/Narrator & Jaws also.



On 6/2/21, Jackie McBride <abletec@gmail.com> wrote:

Obviously not, since I'm the 1 who actually started this thread. Given
that at least 1 other individual is experiencing this, & given that
Mozilla has made significant underlying changes to its interface, I'd
seriously suggest updating w/caution. I guess I'll not comment any
more though, because Narrator & Jaws don't work w/it either, so I
think this is not an issue w/NVDA, & I apologize for posting regarding
it.
Interestingly, if I start firefox when choosing a profile every time,
it works. If I select any profile & start it up w/o asking, it blows
up. In other words, even if I choose a profile from the profile list
and start it, everything's fine. If I load the same profile
automatically, stuff craters. Go figure! How the firetruck does one
report that & be believable?
On 6/2/21, brice Mijares <bmijares33@gmail.com> wrote:
Are you the only one having this problem? I'd like to know, that a
way I can say no to the update. thanks.
On 6/2/2021 9:49 AM, Sue J. Ward wrote:
Hello. I am experiencing the same thing with NVDA, I uninstalled
and reinstalled firefox, ran the calm registration tool, created a
new profile, still nothing and did a system file check, did not find
anything. According to the scan everything was fixed on my windows10
home machine. That is the one I am on right now writing out the email.
Whenever I go to the website just to give you an example
cbsnews.com, I load it on to firefox and getting unknown message
whenever I tab around the page think it loads, whenever I press the
arrow keys it says unknown, am tabbing around again it comes up with
unknown but am not sure what is going on, but when I am going in to
the help section, I have to run the trouble shoot mode, it restarts
in trouble shoot mode everything is fine when am on a website so what
is
going on here?
I am not on a network of any kind just your typical modem from
Cox.com using a wired connection. However I do have a second machine
windows10 pro 64 bit and both the home machine and the pro machine
have everything up to date and are running 64 bit, it is weird on
the
windows10 pro I did not have to do anything firefox works great on
that one verses the home machine. I can not figure out why I have to
restart firefox in trouble shoot mode on the windows home machine. I
even did a reset think that would help, no such luck there. In fact
I did load jaws, nothing there. Could someone tell us what is going
on here? Thank you.
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locked Re: Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

Gene
 

The episode raises questions.  Are there blind people beta testing and if so, how many are there?  The number appears to be inadequate since this problem should have been found long before release.  Should Mozilla, whatever it does or doesn’t do now, recruit testers on various lists and from blindness advocacy organizations? 
 
Do developers generally not recruit testers who have specific testing purposes? 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Jackie
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA
 
I have reported this on Bugzilla. The bug number is 1714212. If others
would like to search it out & leave a comment confirming it, obviously
the more the merrier (or sadder, actually). But I do encourage anyone
experiencing it to let the Mozilla folks know that's the case. It'll
likely receive more attention that way.

On 6/2/21, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> That isn’t what I was referring to.  I was referring to changing the word
> options to settings.  Changing this one word will create an enormous amount
> of work for the volunteers who write and keep help articles current.
>
> Gene
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JM Casey
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 2:52 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA
>
> The setting is part of the general section, so it should be reachable
> without any extra steps.
>
> I agree that these changes sometimes seem unnecessarily, but to be fair:
> Firefox has now been like this for quite a long time, at least since the
> advent of Quantum, and it reflects the way a lot of things look on mobile
> devices – and as everything is going multiplatform, this is just what we are
> seeing across the board nowadays. Once you get the hang of it, it’s not too
> inconvenient. The sections of various headings you see are controlled by a
> list box, and you just pick the category in the list box you want, and the
> headings with options will appear.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
> Sent: June 2, 2021 03:48 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA
>
>
>
> You can control updates.  You may have to turn browse mode off to see the
> part of the options or settings dialog where you select the category you
> will work with.
>
>
>
> Previously, the update selection was found in options.  In a change in the
> current version, there is no more options.  Now, its settings.  Its in the
> tools folder still but the name was changed.  Just one more unnecessary
> change to momentarily confuse people and require that all support
> documentation that mentioned options be rewritten.  Do program developers
> ever consider what amount of useless and needless work some of their
> completely unnecessary changes impose on people?
>
>
>
> I’m not singling out Firefox developers but this is an example of how a
> change in one word can cause a great deal of work.
>
>
>
> There is no more updates section as a separate section in settings.  it is
> now in the general settings, which is the one you work with by default when
> you open settings.  Tab and tab and tab and you will eventually get to a
> series of radio buttons for determining update behavior.
>
>
>
> Gene
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Chris via groups.io
>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 2:20 PM
>
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA
>
>
>
> Firefox automatically updates itself, Theres no way to stop it from doing so
> anymore
>
>
>
>
>
> From: JM Casey
> Sent: 02 June 2021 19:27
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA
>
>
>
> So, how long before we all get v.89 unless we take steps not to update.
> Don't want to be caught unawares before this happens.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
>
> Sent: June 2, 2021 02:18 PM
>
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA
>
>
>
> I've tried both w/the NVDA beta as well as the stable version, folks.
>
> It's broken on my system, & that includes w/Narrator & Jaws also.
>
>
>
> On 6/2/21, Jackie McBride <abletec@...> wrote:
>
>> Obviously not, since I'm the 1 who actually started this thread. Given
>
>> that at least 1 other individual is experiencing this, & given that
>
>> Mozilla has made significant underlying changes to its interface, I'd
>
>> seriously suggest updating w/caution. I guess I'll not comment any
>
>> more though, because Narrator & Jaws don't work w/it either, so I
>
>> think this is not an issue w/NVDA, & I apologize for posting regarding
>
>> it.
>
>>
>
>> Interestingly, if I start firefox when choosing a profile every time,
>
>> it works. If I select any profile & start it up w/o asking, it blows
>
>> up. In other words, even if I choose a profile from the profile list
>
>> and start it, everything's fine. If I load the same profile
>
>> automatically, stuff craters. Go figure! How the firetruck does one
>
>> report that & be believable?
>
>>
>
>> On 6/2/21, brice Mijares <bmijares33@...> wrote:
>
>>> Are you the only one having this problem? I'd like to know, that a
>
>>> way I can say no to the update. thanks.
>
>>>
>
>>> On 6/2/2021 9:49 AM, Sue J. Ward wrote:
>
>>>>  Hello. I am experiencing the same thing with NVDA, I uninstalled
>
>>>> and reinstalled firefox, ran the calm registration tool, created a
>
>>>> new profile, still nothing and did a system file check, did not find
>
>>>> anything. According to the scan everything was fixed on my windows10
>
>>>> home machine. That is the one I am on right now writing out the email.
>
>>>> Whenever I go to the website just to give you an example
>
>>>> cbsnews.com, I load it on to firefox and getting unknown message
>
>>>> whenever I tab around the page think it loads, whenever I press the
>
>>>> arrow keys it says unknown, am tabbing around again it comes up with
>
>>>> unknown but am not sure what is going on, but when I am going in to
>
>>>> the help section, I have to run the trouble shoot mode, it restarts
>
>>>> in trouble shoot mode everything is fine when am on a website so what is
>>>> going on here?
>
>>>> I am not on a network of any kind just your typical modem from
>
>>>> Cox.com using a wired connection. However I do have a second machine
>
>>>> windows10 pro 64 bit and both the home machine and the pro machine
>
>>>> have everything up to date and are running 64 bit, it is weird on
>
>>>> the
>
>>>> windows10 pro I did not have to do anything firefox works great on
>
>>>> that one verses the home machine. I can not figure out why I have to
>
>>>> restart firefox in trouble shoot mode on the windows home machine. I
>
>>>> even did a reset think that would help, no such luck there. In fact
>
>>>> I did load jaws, nothing there. Could someone tell us what is going
>
>>>> on here? Thank you.
>
>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>
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locked Re: Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

Jackie
 

I have reported this on Bugzilla. The bug number is 1714212. If others
would like to search it out & leave a comment confirming it, obviously
the more the merrier (or sadder, actually). But I do encourage anyone
experiencing it to let the Mozilla folks know that's the case. It'll
likely receive more attention that way.

On 6/2/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
That isn’t what I was referring to. I was referring to changing the word
options to settings. Changing this one word will create an enormous amount
of work for the volunteers who write and keep help articles current.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

The setting is part of the general section, so it should be reachable
without any extra steps.

I agree that these changes sometimes seem unnecessarily, but to be fair:
Firefox has now been like this for quite a long time, at least since the
advent of Quantum, and it reflects the way a lot of things look on mobile
devices – and as everything is going multiplatform, this is just what we are
seeing across the board nowadays. Once you get the hang of it, it’s not too
inconvenient. The sections of various headings you see are controlled by a
list box, and you just pick the category in the list box you want, and the
headings with options will appear.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: June 2, 2021 03:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA



You can control updates. You may have to turn browse mode off to see the
part of the options or settings dialog where you select the category you
will work with.



Previously, the update selection was found in options. In a change in the
current version, there is no more options. Now, its settings. Its in the
tools folder still but the name was changed. Just one more unnecessary
change to momentarily confuse people and require that all support
documentation that mentioned options be rewritten. Do program developers
ever consider what amount of useless and needless work some of their
completely unnecessary changes impose on people?



I’m not singling out Firefox developers but this is an example of how a
change in one word can cause a great deal of work.



There is no more updates section as a separate section in settings. it is
now in the general settings, which is the one you work with by default when
you open settings. Tab and tab and tab and you will eventually get to a
series of radio buttons for determining update behavior.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Chris via groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 2:20 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA



Firefox automatically updates itself, Theres no way to stop it from doing so
anymore





From: JM Casey
Sent: 02 June 2021 19:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA



So, how long before we all get v.89 unless we take steps not to update.
Don't want to be caught unawares before this happens.



-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie

Sent: June 2, 2021 02:18 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA



I've tried both w/the NVDA beta as well as the stable version, folks.

It's broken on my system, & that includes w/Narrator & Jaws also.



On 6/2/21, Jackie McBride <abletec@gmail.com> wrote:

Obviously not, since I'm the 1 who actually started this thread. Given
that at least 1 other individual is experiencing this, & given that
Mozilla has made significant underlying changes to its interface, I'd
seriously suggest updating w/caution. I guess I'll not comment any
more though, because Narrator & Jaws don't work w/it either, so I
think this is not an issue w/NVDA, & I apologize for posting regarding
it.
Interestingly, if I start firefox when choosing a profile every time,
it works. If I select any profile & start it up w/o asking, it blows
up. In other words, even if I choose a profile from the profile list
and start it, everything's fine. If I load the same profile
automatically, stuff craters. Go figure! How the firetruck does one
report that & be believable?
On 6/2/21, brice Mijares <bmijares33@gmail.com> wrote:
Are you the only one having this problem? I'd like to know, that a
way I can say no to the update. thanks.
On 6/2/2021 9:49 AM, Sue J. Ward wrote:
Hello. I am experiencing the same thing with NVDA, I uninstalled
and reinstalled firefox, ran the calm registration tool, created a
new profile, still nothing and did a system file check, did not find
anything. According to the scan everything was fixed on my windows10
home machine. That is the one I am on right now writing out the email.
Whenever I go to the website just to give you an example
cbsnews.com, I load it on to firefox and getting unknown message
whenever I tab around the page think it loads, whenever I press the
arrow keys it says unknown, am tabbing around again it comes up with
unknown but am not sure what is going on, but when I am going in to
the help section, I have to run the trouble shoot mode, it restarts
in trouble shoot mode everything is fine when am on a website so what is
going on here?
I am not on a network of any kind just your typical modem from
Cox.com using a wired connection. However I do have a second machine
windows10 pro 64 bit and both the home machine and the pro machine
have everything up to date and are running 64 bit, it is weird on
the
windows10 pro I did not have to do anything firefox works great on
that one verses the home machine. I can not figure out why I have to
restart firefox in trouble shoot mode on the windows home machine. I
even did a reset think that would help, no such luck there. In fact
I did load jaws, nothing there. Could someone tell us what is going
on here? Thank you.
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locked Re: Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

Gene
 

That isn’t what I was referring to.  I was referring to changing the word options to settings.  Changing this one word will create an enormous amount of work for the volunteers who write and keep help articles current. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA
 

The setting is part of the general section, so it should be reachable without any extra steps.

I agree that these changes sometimes seem unnecessarily, but to be fair: Firefox has now been like this for quite a long time, at least since the advent of Quantum, and it reflects the way a lot of things look on mobile devices – and as everything is going multiplatform, this is just what we are seeing across the board nowadays. Once you get the hang of it, it’s not too inconvenient. The sections of various headings you see are controlled by a list box, and you just pick the category in the list box you want, and the headings with options will appear.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: June 2, 2021 03:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

 

You can control updates.  You may have to turn browse mode off to see the part of the options or settings dialog where you select the category you will work with. 

 

Previously, the update selection was found in options.  In a change in the current version, there is no more options.  Now, its settings.  Its in the tools folder still but the name was changed.  Just one more unnecessary change to momentarily confuse people and require that all support documentation that mentioned options be rewritten.  Do program developers ever consider what amount of useless and needless work some of their completely unnecessary changes impose on people? 

 

I’m not singling out Firefox developers but this is an example of how a change in one word can cause a great deal of work. 

 

There is no more updates section as a separate section in settings.  it is now in the general settings, which is the one you work with by default when you open settings.  Tab and tab and tab and you will eventually get to a series of radio buttons for determining update behavior.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 2:20 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

 

Firefox automatically updates itself, Theres no way to stop it from doing so anymore

 

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: 02 June 2021 19:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

 

So, how long before we all get v.89 unless we take steps not to update. Don't want to be caught unawares before this happens.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie

Sent: June 2, 2021 02:18 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA

 

I've tried both w/the NVDA beta as well as the stable version, folks.

It's broken on my system, & that includes w/Narrator & Jaws also.

 

On 6/2/21, Jackie McBride <abletec@...> wrote:

> Obviously not, since I'm the 1 who actually started this thread. Given

> that at least 1 other individual is experiencing this, & given that

> Mozilla has made significant underlying changes to its interface, I'd

> seriously suggest updating w/caution. I guess I'll not comment any

> more though, because Narrator & Jaws don't work w/it either, so I

> think this is not an issue w/NVDA, & I apologize for posting regarding

> it.

>

> Interestingly, if I start firefox when choosing a profile every time,

> it works. If I select any profile & start it up w/o asking, it blows

> up. In other words, even if I choose a profile from the profile list

> and start it, everything's fine. If I load the same profile

> automatically, stuff craters. Go figure! How the firetruck does one

> report that & be believable?

>

> On 6/2/21, brice Mijares <bmijares33@...> wrote:

>> Are you the only one having this problem? I'd like to know, that a

>> way I can say no to the update. thanks.

>>

>> On 6/2/2021 9:49 AM, Sue J. Ward wrote:

>>>  Hello. I am experiencing the same thing with NVDA, I uninstalled

>>> and reinstalled firefox, ran the calm registration tool, created a

>>> new profile, still nothing and did a system file check, did not find

>>> anything. According to the scan everything was fixed on my windows10

>>> home machine. That is the one I am on right now writing out the email.

>>> Whenever I go to the website just to give you an example

>>> cbsnews.com, I load it on to firefox and getting unknown message

>>> whenever I tab around the page think it loads, whenever I press the

>>> arrow keys it says unknown, am tabbing around again it comes up with

>>> unknown but am not sure what is going on, but when I am going in to

>>> the help section, I have to run the trouble shoot mode, it restarts

>>> in trouble shoot mode everything is fine when am on a website so what is going on here?

>>> I am not on a network of any kind just your typical modem from

>>> Cox.com using a wired connection. However I do have a second machine

>>> windows10 pro 64 bit and both the home machine and the pro machine

>>> have everything up to date and are running 64 bit, it is weird on

>>> the

>>> windows10 pro I did not have to do anything firefox works great on

>>> that one verses the home machine. I can not figure out why I have to

>>> restart firefox in trouble shoot mode on the windows home machine. I

>>> even did a reset think that would help, no such luck there. In fact

>>> I did load jaws, nothing there. Could someone tell us what is going

>>> on here? Thank you.

>>> ____________________________________________________________

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