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Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

Ryan Boudwin
 

I am not using any addons. I checked the github and the issue Quentin mentioned is exactly what is happening. Here's the link to the known issue: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/1464

I am a low vision user and still use the mouse for some tasks; I've confirmed the CTRL-C issue is only a problem with text I have selected with the mouse, just as reported in issue 1464 above.

Thanks for the help everyone.

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 3:21 PM Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Did you mention in one email further in the thread that copying with control+c is working in Word but not Firefox?  Do you happen to be selecting text with the mouse?  There is a known issue where if you select text with the mouse on the web, pressing CONTROL+C doesn't work with NVDA running.  In that case, what you can do is either right click or press the applications key to open the context menu, and choose "copy".

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 3:57 AM Ryan Boudwin <ryanboudwin@...> wrote:
Hey everyone,

I recently swapped from JAWS to NVDA because it seems to work better for me for certain web applications that I use for work.

However, whenever NVDA is running I have noticed that CTRL-C no longer works for copying text to the clipboard.

Has anyone else ever had this problem? Is there a command I need to bind to a different keystroke to make the normal copy functionality work again? It works normally whenever NVDA is not running.

Best regards,

Ryan Boudwin



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Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

Quentin Christensen
 

Did you mention in one email further in the thread that copying with control+c is working in Word but not Firefox?  Do you happen to be selecting text with the mouse?  There is a known issue where if you select text with the mouse on the web, pressing CONTROL+C doesn't work with NVDA running.  In that case, what you can do is either right click or press the applications key to open the context menu, and choose "copy".

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 3:57 AM Ryan Boudwin <ryanboudwin@...> wrote:
Hey everyone,

I recently swapped from JAWS to NVDA because it seems to work better for me for certain web applications that I use for work.

However, whenever NVDA is running I have noticed that CTRL-C no longer works for copying text to the clipboard.

Has anyone else ever had this problem? Is there a command I need to bind to a different keystroke to make the normal copy functionality work again? It works normally whenever NVDA is not running.

Best regards,

Ryan Boudwin



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Re: Unable to set column header in office13 in windows10

Quentin Christensen
 

As Bernd said, there should be more in the log - only the first line is there in the message.

Which add-ons do you have? It sounds like something isn't working as it should.

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 10:58 PM Aravind R <aravind.andhrabank@...> wrote:
yes sir thank you very much. its working after disabling addons with
shortcut key insert+shift+c.
i thought it is problem with windows10 as i tried excel only after
installing all basic NVDA addons. today, i tried with jaws
insert+ctrl+alt+c which worked perfectly then i determined problem is
with some setting in NVDA.
Then as you suggested i disabled addon and its working now but its
getting crashed or not working after i enter into addon manager and
come out even without enabling any addon which is a big wonder to me.
This line is getting generated in log sir.
INFO - __main__ (17:21:59.049):


On 2/20/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> Are you using NVDA 2018.4.1 or an alpha build?
>
> When did you notice it stopped working (or had you not tried before?)
>
> When you are trying to set headers, do you definitely only have one cell
> selected?  It won't work if you have more than one cell (only select that
> cell that will be the first header - the leftmost cell for column headers
> or topmost cell for row headers).
>
> Are you using any add-ons?  I'm not aware of any that should conflict with
> this, but it could be worth trying restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled
> just to check - press NVDA+Q, then down arrow to "restart NVDA with add-ons
> disabled" and press ENTER, then try your spreadsheet again.  If it works,
> check for updates to your addons, or try enabling one at a time.
>
> Otherwise, a copy of your log may help (you can find out more here:
> https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps) - feel free to
> email to me at info@... directly.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 8:47 PM Aravind R <aravind.andhrabank@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear friends,
>>
>> upto the insert+shift+c for setting column header is not working in
>> windows10 latest NVDA version where the row header key insert+shift+r
>> is working.
>> Kindly provide us the step to rectify this.
>>
>> --
>> --
>> nothing is difficult unless you make it appear so.
>>
>> r. aravind,
>>
>> Assistant manager
>> Department of sales
>> bank of baroda specialised mortgage store, Chennai.
>> mobile no: +91 9940369593,
>> email id : aravind_069@..., aravind.andhrabank@....
>> aravind.rajendran@....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
> www.nvaccess.org
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>
>
>
>


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r. aravind,

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Department of sales
bank of baroda specialised mortgage store, Chennai.
mobile no: +91 9940369593,
email id : aravind_069@..., aravind.andhrabank@....
aravind.rajendran@....





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Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

Kerryn Gunness
 


for me it works
u just dont hear it sometimes
 

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Subject: [nvda] CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

Hey everyone,

I recently swapped from JAWS to NVDA because it seems to work better for me for certain web applications that I use for work.

However, whenever NVDA is running I have noticed that CTRL-C no longer works for copying text to the clipboard

Has anyone else ever had this problem? Is there a command I need to bind to a different keystroke to make the normal copy functionality work again? It works normally whenever NVDA is not running.

Best regards,

Ryan Boudwin


Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

 

The only place I could find a download link for the Fake Clipboard Announcement add-on is this page:  https://jeff.tdrealms.com/index.php?page=NVDA 
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Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

Mallard
 

Yes, I have that too, bu for some reason I prefer FakeClipboardAnnounce. By the way, mine speaks Spanish, and it says "Copiado" and "pegado"... I don't know why, but in any case I love that! (smile)

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 20/02/2019 20:39, Richard Wells ha scritto:

I really like the way Clip Contents Designer handles this. http://addons.nvda-project.org/files/get.php?file=ccd

On 2/20/2019 1:33 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Precisely. Clipspeak is the name of the add-on I was talking about.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 20/02/2019 16:12, Mohamed escreveu:

I think you're referring to Clipspeak?

On 2/20/2019 12:56 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Using fake clipboard announcement it does exactly what you described. That is, it speaks the command regardless it has worked or not.
However, there is an add-on which also does exactly what you described after the first, I just can't remember its name right now.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 20/02/2019 14:49, Kwork escreveu:
But do any of these add-ons speak the result of the action itself, or just the keyboard command when pressed?

When I tried one, I realized that it would say "copied to clipboard," whether the action had been completed successfully or not. When I used to use JAWS, if the program said "copied" after pressing ctrl+c, I knew I could believe it. With the NVDA add-on, it spoke the action, but didn't know for sure if it worked or not, which many times it did not. If this has been somehow fixed, that would be a great aid as NVDA's silence can be somewhat irritating until verifying what's on the clipboard with NVDA+c. I'd love it to not only echo the key action.

Another thing I'd like to see in NVDA is for the first part of a large block of text being read out when NVDA+c is pressed. As of now it tells you the number of characters, but that's all. If you are moving large portions of text at a time, it would be nice to have some confirmation of at least some of it, maybe the first 100 characters or so. Even the full text would be ok as anything past what you'd want to hear can be easily silenced by the user with the control key.

Travis

On 2/20/2019 10:30 AM, Mallard wrote:

Hello there,


Is it tha the command doesn't work, or that its result isn't announced?


There are some add-ons to make NVDA announce when text is copied to clipboard or pasted.


The one I use is called


FakeClipboardannouncement.


hth, ciao,

Ollie







Re: Graphics that contain links

 

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 02:49 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I think that in all my years of dealing with screen readers and web 
[oops, accidentally hit the post button] . . . web accessibility this is the first and only time I have even had the thought that "separate but equal" in terms of data presented was the best option, but for this I do.
 
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Re: Graphics that contain links

 

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 02:40 PM, <greg@...> wrote:
I wonder what would be most important to quickly glean by a visually impaired person using a screen reader to try and navigate through this content.
Greg,

            If by "this content" you're referring to the photographyoptions website, I honestly don't think there is one, at least not at present.  I am sure that some method could be come up with to allow screen readers to deal with moving targets and the like, but, personally, that seems to me to be a waste of time as it would still likely be terribly difficult to deal with for a blind end user.  There is no information that is shown on that site that could not be rearranged, and very easily, in a standard hierarchy of links, not unlike what you're used to dealing with in File Explorer when traversing the Folder/File tree.

            Were I asked to make this site accessible, that would actually be my approach, and placing a hidden link much like the common "Skip to Content" link that would say something like "Skip to screen reader accessible version of the site," instead.

             To my mind accessibility is about access to information, and in the specific case of that site, and its presentation idiom, trying to make the idiom accessible would more than likely end badly, while creating its equivalent database of information, in correctly arranged and accessible by existing means form, is a better use of time and effort.  I think that in all my years of dealing with screen readers and web acc 
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Re: Graphics that contain links

greg@...
 

Travis, what is an image map and what does it do?
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Re: Graphics that contain links

greg@...
 

Dang Brian, thank you for this very thoughtful reply.....and thank you for taking the time to pore over the site!  It has been bewildering to compare the gentle and patient guidance that I have received in this forum when it is compared to the stark "cold shoulder" that this content is often given by many State and Municipal governments that I try to do business with.  In other words, if the IT team at one of these entities does some kind of cursory accessibility test without actually using a screen reader....and sees that they can't use the tab key to move from element to element, the possibility of continuing to talk to that potential customer is often quashed.  I recognize that many of these government entities have their own graphics content providers and that the accessibility issue is often used as a convenient "objection" in the sales process.  Still I am committed to prioritizing steps for making this type of content more accessible. 

If you will agree that impatience might probably be a universal trait "afflicting" anybody who surfs the web, I wonder what would be most important to quickly glean by a visually impaired person using a screen reader to try and navigate through this content. I will give some thought to how ask the right questions and then start a new thread.  I am grateful for you an all of the people in this forum who have been willing to try and help me!

Cheers, Greg
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Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

Richard Wells
 

I really like the way Clip Contents Designer handles this. http://addons.nvda-project.org/files/get.php?file=ccd

On 2/20/2019 1:33 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Precisely. Clipspeak is the name of the add-on I was talking about.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 20/02/2019 16:12, Mohamed escreveu:

I think you're referring to Clipspeak?

On 2/20/2019 12:56 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Using fake clipboard announcement it does exactly what you described. That is, it speaks the command regardless it has worked or not.
However, there is an add-on which also does exactly what you described after the first, I just can't remember its name right now.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 20/02/2019 14:49, Kwork escreveu:
But do any of these add-ons speak the result of the action itself, or just the keyboard command when pressed?

When I tried one, I realized that it would say "copied to clipboard," whether the action had been completed successfully or not. When I used to use JAWS, if the program said "copied" after pressing ctrl+c, I knew I could believe it. With the NVDA add-on, it spoke the action, but didn't know for sure if it worked or not, which many times it did not. If this has been somehow fixed, that would be a great aid as NVDA's silence can be somewhat irritating until verifying what's on the clipboard with NVDA+c. I'd love it to not only echo the key action.

Another thing I'd like to see in NVDA is for the first part of a large block of text being read out when NVDA+c is pressed. As of now it tells you the number of characters, but that's all. If you are moving large portions of text at a time, it would be nice to have some confirmation of at least some of it, maybe the first 100 characters or so. Even the full text would be ok as anything past what you'd want to hear can be easily silenced by the user with the control key.

Travis

On 2/20/2019 10:30 AM, Mallard wrote:

Hello there,


Is it tha the command doesn't work, or that its result isn't announced?


There are some add-ons to make NVDA announce when text is copied to clipboard or pasted.


The one I use is called


FakeClipboardannouncement.


hth, ciao,

Ollie












Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

 

Precisely. Clipspeak is the name of the add-on I was talking about.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 20/02/2019 16:12, Mohamed escreveu:

I think you're referring to Clipspeak?

On 2/20/2019 12:56 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Using fake clipboard announcement it does exactly what you described. That is, it speaks the command regardless it has worked or not.
However, there is an add-on which also does exactly what you described after the first, I just can't remember its name right now.

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 20/02/2019 14:49, Kwork escreveu:
But do any of these add-ons speak the result of the action itself, or just the keyboard command when pressed?

When I tried one, I realized that it would say "copied to clipboard," whether the action had been completed successfully or not. When I used to use JAWS, if the program said "copied" after pressing ctrl+c, I knew I could believe it. With the NVDA add-on, it spoke the action, but didn't know for sure if it worked or not, which many times it did not. If this has been somehow fixed, that would be a great aid as NVDA's silence can be somewhat irritating until verifying what's on the clipboard with NVDA+c. I'd love it to not only echo the key action.

Another thing I'd like to see in NVDA is for the first part of a large block of text being read out when NVDA+c is pressed. As of now it tells you the number of characters, but that's all. If you are moving large portions of text at a time, it would be nice to have some confirmation of at least some of it, maybe the first 100 characters or so. Even the full text would be ok as anything past what you'd want to hear can be easily silenced by the user with the control key.

Travis

On 2/20/2019 10:30 AM, Mallard wrote:

Hello there,


Is it tha the command doesn't work, or that its result isn't announced?


There are some add-ons to make NVDA announce when text is copied to clipboard or pasted.


The one I use is called


FakeClipboardannouncement.


hth, ciao,

Ollie












Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

 

Also, just to offer another perspective, I have yet to see any screen reader "hijack" the vast majority of Windows keyboard commands, and absolutely none have ever touched Copy (CTRL+C), Cut (CTRL+X), or Paste (CTRL+V).

They very seldom "hijack" program keyboard shortcuts, either.
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Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

Mohamed
 

For reference, here's its page on the NVDA addons website. https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html

On 2/20/2019 2:12 PM, Mohamed via Groups.Io wrote:

I think you're referring to Clipspeak?

On 2/20/2019 12:56 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Using fake clipboard announcement it does exactly what you described. That is, it speaks the command regardless it has worked or not.
However, there is an add-on which also does exactly what you described after the first, I just can't remember its name right now.

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 20/02/2019 14:49, Kwork escreveu:
But do any of these add-ons speak the result of the action itself, or just the keyboard command when pressed?

When I tried one, I realized that it would say "copied to clipboard," whether the action had been completed successfully or not. When I used to use JAWS, if the program said "copied" after pressing ctrl+c, I knew I could believe it. With the NVDA add-on, it spoke the action, but didn't know for sure if it worked or not, which many times it did not. If this has been somehow fixed, that would be a great aid as NVDA's silence can be somewhat irritating until verifying what's on the clipboard with NVDA+c. I'd love it to not only echo the key action.

Another thing I'd like to see in NVDA is for the first part of a large block of text being read out when NVDA+c is pressed. As of now it tells you the number of characters, but that's all. If you are moving large portions of text at a time, it would be nice to have some confirmation of at least some of it, maybe the first 100 characters or so. Even the full text would be ok as anything past what you'd want to hear can be easily silenced by the user with the control key.

Travis

On 2/20/2019 10:30 AM, Mallard wrote:

Hello there,


Is it tha the command doesn't work, or that its result isn't announced?


There are some add-ons to make NVDA announce when text is copied to clipboard or pasted.


The one I use is called


FakeClipboardannouncement.


hth, ciao,

Ollie











Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

Mohamed
 

I think you're referring to Clipspeak?

On 2/20/2019 12:56 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Using fake clipboard announcement it does exactly what you described. That is, it speaks the command regardless it has worked or not.
However, there is an add-on which also does exactly what you described after the first, I just can't remember its name right now.

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 20/02/2019 14:49, Kwork escreveu:
But do any of these add-ons speak the result of the action itself, or just the keyboard command when pressed?

When I tried one, I realized that it would say "copied to clipboard," whether the action had been completed successfully or not. When I used to use JAWS, if the program said "copied" after pressing ctrl+c, I knew I could believe it. With the NVDA add-on, it spoke the action, but didn't know for sure if it worked or not, which many times it did not. If this has been somehow fixed, that would be a great aid as NVDA's silence can be somewhat irritating until verifying what's on the clipboard with NVDA+c. I'd love it to not only echo the key action.

Another thing I'd like to see in NVDA is for the first part of a large block of text being read out when NVDA+c is pressed. As of now it tells you the number of characters, but that's all. If you are moving large portions of text at a time, it would be nice to have some confirmation of at least some of it, maybe the first 100 characters or so. Even the full text would be ok as anything past what you'd want to hear can be easily silenced by the user with the control key.

Travis

On 2/20/2019 10:30 AM, Mallard wrote:

Hello there,


Is it tha the command doesn't work, or that its result isn't announced?


There are some add-ons to make NVDA announce when text is copied to clipboard or pasted.


The one I use is called


FakeClipboardannouncement.


hth, ciao,

Ollie











Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

 

Using fake clipboard announcement it does exactly what you described. That is, it speaks the command regardless it has worked or not.
However, there is an add-on which also does exactly what you described after the first, I just can't remember its name right now.

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 20/02/2019 14:49, Kwork escreveu:

But do any of these add-ons speak the result of the action itself, or just the keyboard command when pressed?

When I tried one, I realized that it would say "copied to clipboard," whether the action had been completed successfully or not. When I used to use JAWS, if the program said "copied" after pressing ctrl+c, I knew I could believe it. With the NVDA add-on, it spoke the action, but didn't know for sure if it worked or not, which many times it did not. If this has been somehow fixed, that would be a great aid as NVDA's silence can be somewhat irritating until verifying what's on the clipboard with NVDA+c. I'd love it to not only echo the key action.

Another thing I'd like to see in NVDA is for the first part of a large block of text being read out when NVDA+c is pressed. As of now it tells you the number of characters, but that's all. If you are moving large portions of text at a time, it would be nice to have some confirmation of at least some of it, maybe the first 100 characters or so. Even the full text would be ok as anything past what you'd want to hear can be easily silenced by the user with the control key.

Travis

On 2/20/2019 10:30 AM, Mallard wrote:

Hello there,


Is it tha the command doesn't work, or that its result isn't announced?


There are some add-ons to make NVDA announce when text is copied to clipboard or pasted.


The one I use is called


FakeClipboardannouncement.


hth, ciao,

Ollie











Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

 

Agreed.
Seems we are some new functions to be implemented to the good new versions of NVDA.
If you was looking at the discussion about graphical announcements then you know it as well :)

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 20/02/2019 14:37, Jackie escreveu:

Well, weirdly enough, it does do this in Firefox, but not in Word,
Notepad, etc. They really should make that consistent, & they should
make it suchvvv that announcement could be toggled on/off as desired.

On 2/20/19, marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21@...> wrote:
I can confirm that, at least without an add-on to do it, NVDA doesn't
announce anything when we perform such operations (cut, copy, paste etc.).
What did you do to have these announcements?

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 20/02/2019 14:13, Jackie escreveu:
It does announce "copy to clipboard".

On 2/20/19, Roger Stewart <paganus2@...> wrote:
I've been using NVDA since 2012 and never had this problem. However,
NVDA will not announce anything like "copied to clipboard" so you might
not think anything has happened, but it does still work normally. When
you paste the text, you'll find it all worked.
Roger











On 2/20/2019 10:54 AM, Ryan Boudwin wrote:
Hey everyone,

I recently swapped from JAWS to NVDA because it seems to work better
for me for certain web applications that I use for work.

However, whenever NVDA is running I have noticed that CTRL-C no longer
works for copying text to the clipboard.

Has anyone else ever had this problem? Is there a command I need to
bind to a different keystroke to make the normal copy functionality
work again? It works normally whenever NVDA is not running.

Best regards,

Ryan Boudwin






        







Re: CLARITY OF TERMINOLOGY AND DOCUMENTATION

Brian K. Lingard
 

Dear Gene & List:

 

You do require an intimate knowledge of the original language a document or dialogue is in, as well as what you are translating it into.

 

However, you need to know all the idioms of the language you are translating from.

 

People discussing the Switch in a meeting abut telephone switching machinery mean a machine capable of connecting between one and 200,000 telephone calls simultaneously, not a LIGHTSWITCH.

 

A meeting of railroaders may be discussing a switch used by a railroad train to go from one track to another, sometimes called Points. Points may face forward or backward depending upon the train’s direction of travel. The translator may interpret the switch to be a commutator in French, but if it is a track switch, it sure will not fit on most walls!

One day, at Bell Mobility, someone not accustomed to translating telephone jargon said in English, dial `1 plus the regional code and seven-digit number. The word in French for Area Code is Region. A more experienced translator would have said in English dial one plus the area code and seven-digit number. It would have rather been acceptable to say dial 1 plus the region and seven-digit number.

 

Brian K. Lingard VE3YI, Ab2JI, B. A., C. T. M.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: February 19, 2019 10:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CLARITY OF TERMINOLOGY AND DOCUMENTATION

 

I do not think the statement about being a native speaker when translating to or from a language is correct way.  It depends on how knowledgeable the person is in both languages.  It is probably necessary that the person has lived in countries where both languages are spoken if you are going to translate informal language.  In the case of a user guide such as the NVDA guide, I expect you do not need the kind of knowledge of informal English you would in other cases, so living in the country is, I suspect, not necessary.  This is not idiomatic English. 

 

In addition, you do not have to be a native speaker of the languages you are either translating to or from.  You can be very fluent in a language and not be a native speaker of the language.  In addition, there people who have the talent or ability to master languages more quickly and easily than many other people do.  You can master a language by study and by living among native speakers of a language. 

 

Gene

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 4:55 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] CLARITY OF TERMINOLOGY AND DOCUMENTATION

 

I believe this to be completely the wrong way round.

A professional translator should be a native speaker of the language they are translating TO, and a very competent speaker of the language/s they are translating FROM.

The reason is simple - they are creating their own work in the destination language, and that needs to be flawless to another native speaker of that language.  Anyone writing in a second language is going to make more mistakes or come up with more curious constructions than a native speaker is.


Antony.

On Tuesday 19 February 2019 at 11:14:18, Brian K. Lingard wrote:

> Dear Rui & List:
> Professional translators or interpreters and revisers, editors of
> translated work, need to speak, read & write the language they are
> interpreting from, normally their "A" language, their Mother Tongue as
> Well as their "B" or "C" language they are translating to.
> > For this reason, a person translating an English user manual needs to
> speak, read & write English as their Mother tongue. They would not
> Normally be Portuguese. They must recognize the idioms of the language.
> > For example, a radio station with the slogan:
> New York Spells NEWS might translate this into {Portuguese as New York
> Means NEWS, or New York is always newsworthy! As opposed to the literal
> Translation, New York spells NEWS!
> > In Spanish, it would be Nuevo York espelle Noticia! However, saying Nuevo
> York is always worthy of Noticia might get the meaning across more
> Accurately.
> > Friend of mine, a professional Interpreter translator & reviser, Engl0ish
> Into French, interpreted a meeting about the switch as being about le
> Commutator, a light switch. Partway through the meeting, it dawned on him
> They were discussing a telephone-switching machine, not a light switch!
> True it switches, but it connects telephone calls, does not turn the
> Lights on or off! He said man, did he feel dumb@!
> > If the meeting had been about railways, it might have talked about the
> Switch, however a railway switch, which lets a train, go from one track to
> Another, is also called Points or Track Points! If you hand a railway
> Locomotive engineer a LIGHTSWITCH when he says he needs a switch, he will
> explain he needs Points to go to another track, not something to turn the
> Lights on and off! Brian K. Lingard VE3YI, Ab2JI, B. A., C. T. M.
> > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Rui
> Fontes Sent: February 16, 2019 11:15 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] CLARITY OF TERMINOLOGY AND DOCUMENTATION
>
> Yes, if I can find a professional translator specialized in assistive
> Technology the result should be good, but at least in Portugal we do not
> have that...
>
> Rui
>
> Às 15:57 de 16/02/2019, Brian Vogel escreveu:
> > Rui,
> >
> >           No criticism of you, but of the "professional" translators
> >
> > You
> > used:  Attempts to do "literal translation" are about as
> > Unprofessional as you can get.
> >
> >           The job of a professional translator, which you are showing
> >
> > Yourself to be in this context, is to bring the concept, in as much
> > Fullness as possible, across languages.  That often involved very
> > Intentional choices to dump literal, word by word or even phrase by
> > Phrase translation.  The object is to convey shared understanding, and
> > You are trying to do that admirably.
> >
> >            Then again, to give professional translators who may be
> >
> > having difficulty here some credit, they are not tech geeks, either.
> > How someone who has no idea of what “input gestures” would is supposed
> > To convey be able to accurately translate it conceptually?   In
> > Order to translate well you have to have some idea of the meaning, not
> > Just the written structure, of what it is you are translating.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Brian

--
#define SIX 1+five
#define NINE 8+1

In main() {
    Print("%d\n", SIX * NINE);
}
- Thanks to ECB for bringing this to my attention

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Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

Kwork
 

But do any of these add-ons speak the result of the action itself, or just the keyboard command when pressed?

When I tried one, I realized that it would say "copied to clipboard," whether the action had been completed successfully or not. When I used to use JAWS, if the program said "copied" after pressing ctrl+c, I knew I could believe it. With the NVDA add-on, it spoke the action, but didn't know for sure if it worked or not, which many times it did not. If this has been somehow fixed, that would be a great aid as NVDA's silence can be somewhat irritating until verifying what's on the clipboard with NVDA+c. I'd love it to not only echo the key action.

Another thing I'd like to see in NVDA is for the first part of a large block of text being read out when NVDA+c is pressed. As of now it tells you the number of characters, but that's all. If you are moving large portions of text at a time, it would be nice to have some confirmation of at least some of it, maybe the first 100 characters or so. Even the full text would be ok as anything past what you'd want to hear can be easily silenced by the user with the control key.

Travis

On 2/20/2019 10:30 AM, Mallard wrote:

Hello there,


Is it tha the command doesn't work, or that its result isn't announced?


There are some add-ons to make NVDA announce when text is copied to clipboard or pasted.


The one I use is called


FakeClipboardannouncement.


hth, ciao,

Ollie




Re: having problems with re capture demo page

Ervin, Glenn
 

I have the same problem with my cable provider’s account page.

But I have had for some time.

Yet I have been able to use the Google captcha on other pages.

I haven’t tried it for a while.

 

Glenn

 

 

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