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Re: Thunderbird with NVDA

Robert Logue
 

Thanks Gene and Rosemary.

Those tips really worked. 


Bob


On 2019-03-17 6:50 p.m., Gene wrote:
If you change to reading mail either as text or as simple HTML, that will probably stop those notices. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird with NVDA

Yes. I use read to end a lot. Especially when opening a message from the list: Or, when Thunderbird bugs me about unloaded images and stops automatic reading.

  I just wanted an easier way to suppress all those titles and notifications. 


Thanks Rosemarie. Opening messages in a new tab works.  Changes my workflow a bit but I can handle it.


Cheers.


Bob




On 2019-03-16 10:27 a.m., Gene wrote:
You can use the read to end command.  I saw someone propose another solution but I don't know how well it works.  it is changing whether messages open in a new tab or window or whatever the choice is.  You can see if changing it works.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 10:45 AM
Subject: [nvda] Thunderbird with NVDA

I have the latest Thunderbird.


Is there a way to suppress reading the title of message when it opens? 
NVDA and Jaws both read the title as much as 3 times when I open a
message from the list.

I think one time is because the message pain is opening.  Then the next
is the screen reader saying the title of the window. Then saying the
title of the document.  This gets very old fast.  I have automatic
document reading on.


Please point me in to documentation that might help.





Re: how do I silence?

Howard Traxler <howard@...>
 

Curtus, I think you mean beeping for the progress bar?  You can use NVDA key plus U to make a temporary change.  Whether it stays changed, I don't know.


Howard

On 3/17/2019 7:53 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:
There are windows when I wish the wonderful NVDA beeps not to happen, while continuing them in others. How do I do this?


Re: how do I silence?

 

You can easily do just this using profiles.

It's a bit of a technical explanation, so I'll leave it up to others help you on this.

Hopefuly they will comment. I just can't do it right now, though if nobody does I will later on.


Cheers,
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There are windows when I wish the wonderful NVDA beeps not to happen, while continuing them in others. How do I do this?


Re: Thunderbird with NVDA

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene,

 

Yes, that’s correct. Setting thunderbird to simple HTML or plain text will stop those notices.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

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From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 5:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird with NVDA

 

If you change to reading mail either as text or as simple HTML, that will probably stop those notices. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 6:49 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird with NVDA

 

Yes. I use read to end a lot. Especially when opening a message from the list: Or, when Thunderbird bugs me about unloaded images and stops automatic reading.

  I just wanted an easier way to suppress all those titles and notifications. 

 

Thanks Rosemarie. Opening messages in a new tab works.  Changes my workflow a bit but I can handle it.

 

Cheers.

 

Bob

 

 

 

On 2019-03-16 10:27 a.m., Gene wrote:

You can use the read to end command.  I saw someone propose another solution but I don't know how well it works.  it is changing whether messages open in a new tab or window or whatever the choice is.  You can see if changing it works.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 10:45 AM

Subject: [nvda] Thunderbird with NVDA

 

I have the latest Thunderbird.


Is there a way to suppress reading the title of message when it opens? 
NVDA and Jaws both read the title as much as 3 times when I open a
message from the list.

I think one time is because the message pain is opening.  Then the next
is the screen reader saying the title of the window. Then saying the
title of the document.  This gets very old fast.  I have automatic
document reading on.


Please point me in to documentation that might help.



 


Re: skim mode

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Monty,

 

I don’t know about all documents but I know if you hit up-arrow, the entire message is read out in thunderbird. Skim mode is a keyboard setting. You hit NVDAkey control K to get to the keyboard settings. Then you tab to the checkbox that says “skim mode” and hit the space bar to check it.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

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From: Monte Single
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 5:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] skim mode

 

In a recent Thunderbird message from RoseMarie, she mentioned :skim mode:  while reading posts.

What is skim mode  and does it work in all text documents?

Thanks,

Monte

 


how do I silence?

Curtis Delzer
 

There are windows when I wish the wonderful NVDA beeps not to happen, while continuing them in others. How do I do this?

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HS
W B 6 H E F
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skim mode

Monte Single
 

In a recent Thunderbird message from RoseMarie, she mentioned :skim mode:  while reading posts.

What is skim mode  and does it work in all text documents?

Thanks,

Monte


Re: Thunderbird with NVDA

Gene
 

If you change to reading mail either as text or as simple HTML, that will probably stop those notices. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird with NVDA

Yes. I use read to end a lot. Especially when opening a message from the list: Or, when Thunderbird bugs me about unloaded images and stops automatic reading.

  I just wanted an easier way to suppress all those titles and notifications. 


Thanks Rosemarie. Opening messages in a new tab works.  Changes my workflow a bit but I can handle it.


Cheers.


Bob




On 2019-03-16 10:27 a.m., Gene wrote:
You can use the read to end command.  I saw someone propose another solution but I don't know how well it works.  it is changing whether messages open in a new tab or window or whatever the choice is.  You can see if changing it works.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 10:45 AM
Subject: [nvda] Thunderbird with NVDA

I have the latest Thunderbird.


Is there a way to suppress reading the title of message when it opens? 
NVDA and Jaws both read the title as much as 3 times when I open a
message from the list.

I think one time is because the message pain is opening.  Then the next
is the screen reader saying the title of the window. Then saying the
title of the document.  This gets very old fast.  I have automatic
document reading on.


Please point me in to documentation that might help.





Re: Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation

Gene
 

Let's say you want period to be spoken at the none level and you don't want any other punctuation spoken at that level.  You set period for none.  You have now tailored punctuation so that period and nothing else will be spoken at the none level.  So you can tailor exactly what is spoken at what level.  A mark set to none will be spoken at none and in all other levels.  A punctuation mark that is set to most will be spoken at most and all, etc.
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
From: Jackie
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation

Actually, Brian, it's just the symbols themselves. None & all are
pretty obvious, I suspect. The "some" level reads commonly needed
symbols, ie, @, #, %, &, *, +, < >, etc. These are symbols which, if
not read, could cause the text to not make sense. This is NVDA's
default setting.

"Most" steps it up a bit, reading things like ;, -, (, ), :, ~, `, but
not commonly used sentence-ending symbols, like ., ?, , & !. Those are
read at the "all" level.

On 3/17/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> Jackie,
>
>          Actually, no, at least it doesn't make any sense to me.   Those
> level values are associated with each and every individual punctuation or
> symbol.
>
>          For instance, if someone had a dollar sign symbol, what is the
> difference if this is paired with each of the levels (none being pretty
> obvious if it means, as I suspect and Andre described, ignore it and never
> pronounce it).
>
>          The levels do not seem to be defining behavior for a given symbol
> relative to any other symbol, but for the symbol itself based on some sort
> of context determined by its placement in the text.  I just can't fathom
> how.
>
> --
>
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>
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> illusion is deep.*
>
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>
>
>
>


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Re: Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation

Tony Malykh
 

Brian,
Let me try to describe it in other words.
We have 4 punctuation verbosity settings that can be cycled through using NVDA+P. They are None, Some, Most and All. All is clear - just read all punctuation signs. But for many people that's too much punctuation. So we want to make some of the "not so important" punctuation signs to be ignored by speech synthesizer. There comes "Most" setting.  How do we decide which punctuation signs are to be ignored when the setting is set to most? The ones that are marked "All" in the punctuation dialog. And the ones that will be still pronounced are the ones that are marked with "Most" and above ("All", "None")
Same thing for the next verbosity level "Some". Only the characters marked "Some" and above ("All") will be pronounced.
I assume in some cases you want to ignore all punctuation, so you set punctuation verbosity to "None". In this case only the characters marked with level "None" will be reported, such as fractions, which are  arguably should never be skipped over.

Hope this explanation helps.
--Tony

On 3/17/2019 5:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Jackie,

          Unless I see a technical document describing the interactions I will never understand this.   For the vulgur fractions, for instance, things like the one-third or five-eighths symbols these are all noted as level "none" and have nothing for the preservation level (though I get that if it's none you wouldn't likely pass it to the synth, so I presume the default absent a value is never).    I don't understand how a recipe that uses the one-third symbol, which is not uncommon before the word cup, would ever read correctly.    The one-third symbol in symbols.dic, is given a replacement value of one-third, but a level of none.

          By the way, and I don't think I introduced this error, the five-eighths symbol has a replacement value of five eighths, but there is no tab after the S in eighths and it runs straight into the word none that follows it.  All others have that tab after the replacement value.

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Re: Learning page number in MS Word

Monte Single
 

I have not tried numbering  pages in a m s word doc recently.  As I recall,  if there was a doc without page numbers,  you first had to select the text you want  page numbered, insert page breaks and then insert page numbers.

Page numbers were not added, by default, as the document was created. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: March-17-19 4:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning page number in MS Word

 

I was told by sighted that normally page number does not exist in word documents, and that you are required to add them.

On 3/17/2019 6:05 PM, Abbie Taylor wrote:

Press NVDA plus End to read the status bar. NVDA will not only tell you what page you're on but read other information about the document. Hope that helps.
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Re: Thunderbird with NVDA

Robert Logue
 

Thanks Gene.  I try to be sure the message pain (f8( is not open

Bob


On 2019-03-16 7:39 p.m., Gene wrote:
I'm not sure how you are reading mail.  Is the view pane opened?  If it is, pressing tab may be taking you from the message list to the view pane and the message is being read there.       
 
Gene.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird with NVDA

I am using it now, the subject does not repeat, and using tabs seems to read the entire message using NVDA I press delete to go to the next message, etc.

Curtis Delzer 
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 3/16/2019 9:27 AM, Gene wrote:
You can use the read to end command.  I saw someone propose another solution but I don't know how well it works.  it is changing whether messages open in a new tab or window or whatever the choice is.  You can see if changing it works.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 10:45 AM
Subject: [nvda] Thunderbird with NVDA

I have the latest Thunderbird.


Is there a way to suppress reading the title of message when it opens? 
NVDA and Jaws both read the title as much as 3 times when I open a
message from the list.

I think one time is because the message pain is opening.  Then the next
is the screen reader saying the title of the window. Then saying the
title of the document.  This gets very old fast.  I have automatic
document reading on.


Please point me in to documentation that might help.





Re: Thunderbird with NVDA

Robert Logue
 

Thanks. You know. I always seem to ignore that setting. Coming from Jaws, I should know that.


Bob


On 2019-03-16 10:28 a.m., Rosemarie Charring wrote:

Having the keyboard set to skim mode and pressing up-arrow on a message works too.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 9:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird with NVDA

 

You can use the read to end command.  I saw someone propose another solution but I don't know how well it works.  it is changing whether messages open in a new tab or window or whatever the choice is.  You can see if changing it works.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Robert Logue

Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 10:45 AM

Subject: [nvda] Thunderbird with NVDA

 

I have the latest Thunderbird.


Is there a way to suppress reading the title of message when it opens? 
NVDA and Jaws both read the title as much as 3 times when I open a
message from the list.

I think one time is because the message pain is opening.  Then the next
is the screen reader saying the title of the window. Then saying the
title of the document.  This gets very old fast.  I have automatic
document reading on.


Please point me in to documentation that might help.



 


Re: Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation

 

Jackie,

          Unless I see a technical document describing the interactions I will never understand this.   For the vulgur fractions, for instance, things like the one-third or five-eighths symbols these are all noted as level "none" and have nothing for the preservation level (though I get that if it's none you wouldn't likely pass it to the synth, so I presume the default absent a value is never).    I don't understand how a recipe that uses the one-third symbol, which is not uncommon before the word cup, would ever read correctly.    The one-third symbol in symbols.dic, is given a replacement value of one-third, but a level of none.

          By the way, and I don't think I introduced this error, the five-eighths symbol has a replacement value of five eighths, but there is no tab after the S in eighths and it runs straight into the word none that follows it.  All others have that tab after the replacement value.

--

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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Thunderbird with NVDA

Robert Logue
 

Yes. I use read to end a lot. Especially when opening a message from the list: Or, when Thunderbird bugs me about unloaded images and stops automatic reading.

  I just wanted an easier way to suppress all those titles and notifications. 


Thanks Rosemarie. Opening messages in a new tab works.  Changes my workflow a bit but I can handle it.


Cheers.


Bob




On 2019-03-16 10:27 a.m., Gene wrote:
You can use the read to end command.  I saw someone propose another solution but I don't know how well it works.  it is changing whether messages open in a new tab or window or whatever the choice is.  You can see if changing it works.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 10:45 AM
Subject: [nvda] Thunderbird with NVDA

I have the latest Thunderbird.


Is there a way to suppress reading the title of message when it opens? 
NVDA and Jaws both read the title as much as 3 times when I open a
message from the list.

I think one time is because the message pain is opening.  Then the next
is the screen reader saying the title of the window. Then saying the
title of the document.  This gets very old fast.  I have automatic
document reading on.


Please point me in to documentation that might help.





Re: Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation

Jackie
 

Actually, Brian, it's just the symbols themselves. None & all are
pretty obvious, I suspect. The "some" level reads commonly needed
symbols, ie, @, #, %, &, *, +, < >, etc. These are symbols which, if
not read, could cause the text to not make sense. This is NVDA's
default setting.

"Most" steps it up a bit, reading things like ;, -, (, ), :, ~, `, but
not commonly used sentence-ending symbols, like ., ?, , & !. Those are
read at the "all" level.

On 3/17/19, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Jackie,

         Actually, no, at least it doesn't make any sense to me.   Those
level values are associated with each and every individual punctuation or
symbol.

         For instance, if someone had a dollar sign symbol, what is the
difference if this is paired with each of the levels (none being pretty
obvious if it means, as I suspect and Andre described, ignore it and never
pronounce it).

         The levels do not seem to be defining behavior for a given symbol
relative to any other symbol, but for the symbol itself based on some sort
of context determined by its placement in the text.  I just can't fathom
how.

--

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illusion is deep.*

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Re: Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation

 

Jackie,

         Actually, no, at least it doesn't make any sense to me.   Those level values are associated with each and every individual punctuation or symbol.

         For instance, if someone had a dollar sign symbol, what is the difference if this is paired with each of the levels (none being pretty obvious if it means, as I suspect and Andre described, ignore it and never pronounce it).

         The levels do not seem to be defining behavior for a given symbol relative to any other symbol, but for the symbol itself based on some sort of context determined by its placement in the text.  I just can't fathom how.

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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: strange issue likely NVDA related

Arlene
 

I, I can’t say I blame you.  Dropbox can be a terrible pain can’t it?

 

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From: Lisa P Geibel
Sent: March 16, 2019 11:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange issue likely NVDA related

 

Hi everyone,

 

SMILE We had this issue with Dropbox and it was so bad my husband was

threatening to uninstall Dropbox unless I could fix it. Praise God, I

was able to fix it for us at least. We're running the latest NVDA

version with the latest Dropbox version and have a Lenovo computer in

case that comes into play for anyone. I just followed someone's

instructions and went into the Task Manager and stopped Dropbox from

loading when the computer starts. After a restart of the computer is

done, that fixed the problem, but if I go back into Dropbox through the

system tray, which is how I have to do it now, I have to also click on

the context key when I'm finished using Dropbox and exit it. We haven't

had any problems like this thankfully since doing that. Is it a pain?

Yes, as I forget to exit it sometimes, but I'd rather this than losing

Dropbox and having to reinstall it later.

 

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On 3/16/2019 8:55 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

> This seems like a well known issue, and even today I saw a person

> reporting it on the other list.

> Specially on this list this case is being discussed for a long time

> now. Surely you'll get more answers on this one :)

> Cheers,

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> Em 16/03/2019 20:55, ken lawrence via Groups.Io escreveu:

>> 

>> Hi list ken here. Every so often on the computer dropbox will start

>> to say what it usually says when it’s first starting. “dropbox

>> c:program files .x86 and the up to date button and launch dropbox

>> paper and so forth. It is completely random and it comes without

>> warning. I posted a question to our radio station list and one other

>> user is saying the same thing. Like me this other DJ on out of sight

>> radio is using NVDA. I just double checked the addon and it’s up to

>> date I have the latest version. According to this other user she’s

>> not hearing this with jaws users on the station. She thinks NVDA is

>> seeing something other screen readers don’t any ideas?  Thanks.

>> 

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Re: Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation

Jackie
 

Brian, not quite. None means that no punctuation symbols will be
pronounced. Some means that certain ones will, like $, >, @, etc. The
3rd means that others, ie, ;, " will be pronounced, but not , ? . !
ie, the more common sentence punctuation. In all, every symbol is
spoken.

Does that help?

On 3/17/19, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Andre,

           Thanks for what you've offered, I really do appreciate it.  It
still does not tell me what the settings other than none actually mean about
when, precisely, a symbol will be pronounced as an atomic unit.  How is
"Some" different from most, all, and character.  I am presuming that "all"
means every time it's encountered it's pronounced, but I'm still entirely
unclear if there's a string of symbols what will happen.  Essentially a word
composed of symbols.

            My main reason for asking this is if one is working with
documents with phonetic transcriptions in the International Phonetic
Alphabet there will be words that are composed as a sequence of symbols with
no white space between those symbols.   If one wants those words read out
loud, character by character, what should the Level and preservation
settings be?

             Given the nature of the symbol set, I am presuming that the
preservation setting will be "never" since no synth should be expected to
recognize these characters in any way that is generally pronounceable.

              At this point I'm making a guess that level should be
character (but maybe all, I'm not certain).  I can find no description in
any documentation I've found about what these terms mean "in real life" and
how they interact with each other.

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Re: Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation

 

Andre,

           Thanks for what you've offered, I really do appreciate it.  It still does not tell me what the settings other than none actually mean about when, precisely, a symbol will be pronounced as an atomic unit.  How is "Some" different from most, all, and character.  I am presuming that "all" means every time it's encountered it's pronounced, but I'm still entirely unclear if there's a string of symbols what will happen.  Essentially a word composed of symbols.

            My main reason for asking this is if one is working with documents with phonetic transcriptions in the International Phonetic Alphabet there will be words that are composed as a sequence of symbols with no white space between those symbols.   If one wants those words read out loud, character by character, what should the Level and preservation settings be?

             Given the nature of the symbol set, I am presuming that the preservation setting will be "never" since no synth should be expected to recognize these characters in any way that is generally pronounceable. 

              At this point I'm making a guess that level should be character (but maybe all, I'm not certain).  I can find no description in any documentation I've found about what these terms mean "in real life" and how they interact with each other.

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