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Re: more on the alt tab issue

Jackie
 

Sarah, it's located in users\username\AppData/roaming/nvda/AppModules.

On 3/17/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
Actually, I can't relocate the folder. That's where the devs placed it.
This is actually an app, not an add on. "m beta testign this app, so I
really cannot relocate it at all, it is stuck whee ever it is located,
somewhare in my user folder.

Take care

On 17 Mar 2019, at 8:34, Jackie wrote:

Sarah, you say the addon's disabled, but the faulting app module is
still project fly. Please try relocating that folder out of your app
module folder to some other place & see if it goes away.

On 3/17/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
Ok all. I still I think have it but it straightens itself out once I
load the log viewer, go figure. And sometimes it just starts to work
again. I should say Im running some pretty heavy duty software when
this
happens. I've attached the links to all 3 logs from my db.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bxfy13kwaj2621f/alt%20tab%20log%2002.rtf?dl=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3s9ahaih7adv3o7/alt%20tab%20log%2003%20themes%20add%20on%20disabled.rtf?dl=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/hop7opyzl1mm9ax/ALT%20TAB%20LOG%2004.rtf?dl=1

I hope that helps a bit.




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Re: Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation

Andre Fisher
 

In essence, the level represents the lowest level to which a symbol will be pronounced by NVDA. For example, the at sign (@) is set to be pronounced at the Some level, so if the symbol is encountered at the Some, Most, All or Character level, it will be reported, but not at the None level.

By default, NVDA is set to pronounce all symbols at the Some level. This can be changed in the Speech settings dialog, or by pressing NVDA+P to cycle through the first four settings.

I have set the greater and less than symbols to be pronounced at the Most level, which indicates a deviation from the default. This is a very powerful tool now, with the inclusion of emojis in the dialog. What it needs now is a search bar.


Re: Brian V, could you please help troubleshoot this?

Jackie
 

Seeing if I get 2 posts back on this reply.

On 3/17/19, Jackie via Groups.Io <abletec=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
No, it's groups.io. The freelists reference is my WordPress 4 Newbies
mailing list, which is on freelists. & I'm not doing any cc or
bcc'ing. I'm sorry I'm shucking this off on u, Brian. I'm just a
little overwhelmed--I've got 3 big website projects in the works + all
my personal stuff, & I just didn't feel I could handle 1 more
troubleshooting task.

On 3/17/19, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Jackie,

        I'll ask about this on the Group Managers Group.   I have never
seen
a "BCC me" checkbox except if you're replying and making that reply
private,
in which case you can choose to BCC yourself.

        Is this an issue with Groups.io or freelists?  I'm presuming you
mean here, but I haven't seen much recent traffic from you (which is what
made me think about the Private response possibility) and your signature
is
making reference to freelists.

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troubleshooting my double posts

Jackie
 

Seeing if I get this back.

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Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation

 

Can anyone explain what the Level setting actually means in this dialog?  The possible values are: none, some, most, all, character.  There also seems to be some sort of tie between this and the complex symbols, which are particularly opaque and don't appear to be regular expressions, though they might be.

As well as how the preservation setting, "only below a symbol's level" interacts with it/them.

The User's Guide does not go into the function of these two options with any depth at all.  If there is other reference material, I'm happy to read that if someone can tell me where it's located.
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Re: Learning page number in MS Word

enes sarıbaş
 

I was told by sighted that normally page number does not exist in word documents, and that you are required to add them.

On 3/17/2019 6:05 PM, Abbie Taylor wrote:
Press NVDA plus End to read the status bar. NVDA will not only tell you what page you're on but read other information about the document. Hope that helps.
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Re: strange issue likely NVDA related

Tony Malykh
 

What is your Dropbox  version?

On 3/17/2019 1:26 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi, there was a weird transparent window issue a while back but the latest version seems to have stopped doing this. A guy at Dropbox called Geoff seems to be handling the issue, you might try emailing them about your problem as of course its no longer a problem here with the latest download.
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] strange issue likely NVDA related


Hi list ken here. Every so often on the computer dropbox will start to say what it usually says when it’s first starting. “dropbox c:program files .x86 and the up to date button and launch dropbox paper and so forth. It is completely random and it comes without warning. I posted a question to our radio station list and one other user is saying the same thing. Like me this other DJ on out of sight radio is using NVDA. I just double checked the addon and it’s up to date I have the latest version. According to this other user she’s not hearing this with jaws users on the station. She thinks NVDA is seeing something other screen readers don’t any ideas?  Thanks.

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Re: Learning page number in MS Word

Abbie Taylor <abbietaylor945@...>
 

Press NVDA plus End to read the status bar. NVDA will not only tell you what page you're on but read other information about the document. Hope that helps.
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Re: Brian V, could you please help troubleshoot this?

Jackie
 

No, it's groups.io. The freelists reference is my WordPress 4 Newbies
mailing list, which is on freelists. & I'm not doing any cc or
bcc'ing. I'm sorry I'm shucking this off on u, Brian. I'm just a
little overwhelmed--I've got 3 big website projects in the works + all
my personal stuff, & I just didn't feel I could handle 1 more
troubleshooting task.

On 3/17/19, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Jackie,

        I'll ask about this on the Group Managers Group.   I have never seen
a "BCC me" checkbox except if you're replying and making that reply private,
in which case you can choose to BCC yourself.

        Is this an issue with Groups.io or freelists?  I'm presuming you
mean here, but I haven't seen much recent traffic from you (which is what
made me think about the Private response possibility) and your signature is
making reference to freelists.

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Re: losing braille

Brian Tew
 

Brian,
Nvda braille works fine most of the time, but from time to time it stops working.
Jaws braille works, but I don't know how well or consistently; I don't use jaws normally.
Even narrator braille can work if I choose a different default driver.
The nvda log has error messages in it, but I don't know what to do with them.
Perhaps somebody who knows what they mean could prescribe a remedy.
http://nyx.net/~btew/briantew.nvdalog.txt


Re: listing open windows with NVDA

 

Oh, then actually this does the same thing that the add-on does? Good to know :)


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Em 17/03/2019 11:37, George McCoy escreveu:

You can get the same result without the add-on.  In windows 10, go to the desktop.  Tab four times to the task view button and click it.


George

On 3/15/2019 4:01 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

Oh, then that's it.

I don't use this add-on. :)


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Em 15/03/2019 18:04, Gene escreveu:
Evidently, you need to use the system tray add-on to do this.  I use the add-on but I don't use a new version.  All I want is to get the system tray dialog.  there is evidently an updated version that adds this other feature if you issue the NVDA key f11 command twice.
 
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Subject: Re: [nvda] listing open windows with NVDA

Guys, are you sure this is a built-in NVDA command?

Here it doesn't do anything at all.


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Em 15/03/2019 15:04, Ralf Kefferpuetz escreveu:
NVDA + F11 twice basicly shows the task bar with all programs on the task bar, the opened ones and the not opened ones which are just shortcuts pinned there for fast opening.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Freitag, 15. März 2019 16:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] listing open windows with NVDA

Jaws+F10 is equivalent to NVDA+F11 twice...

Rui


Às 05:00 de 15/03/2019, Gerardo Corripio escreveu:
SisTray isn’t the one you’re trying to think of its name? With this 
one,
NVDA+F11 twice brings up the Task ist, but I don’t think this is what 
NVDA+is
being wanted to be done? What’s wanted to be done is like Jaws’s
Jaws+F10, which would be an awesome feature to have!

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 14 mar 2019, a la(s) 10:30 p. m., marcio via Groups.Io 
<marcinhorj21@...
<mailto:marcinhorj21@...>> escribió:

If I'm not going wrong, there was an add-on that would allow us to 
see all the windows opened at the time, including, I think, those you 
are talking about.

I don't remember the add-on's name, though. Sorry :(


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Em 13/03/2019 04:48, mhysnm1964@... escreveu:
All,

How do you find floating windows with NVDA other than using the 
object nav? In Jaws there is a hot key that shows all open app and 
windows. I cannot find a similar command.

A floating window for those who might not know the terminology. Is a 
window that is open by a program and is not attached to the program 
and some of them are not even attached to the application ring (alt 
tab). If the program does not place the focus correctly into the 
window. Then you cannot access the window by the keyboard. Thus the 
workaround which Jaws provides of listing all the windows helps here.

Hope someone can help.

Second question, just thought of. Are you able to remap keys in NVDA?


Re: Brian V, could you please help troubleshoot this?

 

Jackie,

        I'll ask about this on the Group Managers Group.   I have never seen a "BCC me" checkbox except if you're replying and making that reply private, in which case you can choose to BCC yourself.

        Is this an issue with Groups.io or freelists?  I'm presuming you mean here, but I haven't seen much recent traffic from you (which is what made me think about the Private response possibility) and your signature is making reference to freelists.

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Re: more on the alt tab issue

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually, I can't relocate the folder. That's where the devs placed it. This is actually an app, not an add on. "m beta testign this app, so I really cannot relocate it at all, it is stuck whee ever it is located, somewhare in my user folder.

Take care

On 17 Mar 2019, at 8:34, Jackie wrote:

Sarah, you say the addon's disabled, but the faulting app module is
still project fly. Please try relocating that folder out of your app
module folder to some other place & see if it goes away.

On 3/17/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

Ok all. I still I think have it but it straightens itself out once I
load the log viewer, go figure. And sometimes it just starts to work
again. I should say Im running some pretty heavy duty software when this
happens. I've attached the links to all 3 logs from my db.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bxfy13kwaj2621f/alt%20tab%20log%2002.rtf?dl=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3s9ahaih7adv3o7/alt%20tab%20log%2003%20themes%20add%20on%20disabled.rtf?dl=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/hop7opyzl1mm9ax/ALT%20TAB%20LOG%2004.rtf?dl=1

I hope that helps a bit.



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Brian V, could you please help troubleshoot this?

Jackie
 

Every time I send a reply to this list, 2 msgs are generated. I'd
troubleshoot this, but my husband was recently hospitalized w/a heart
attack & pneumonia, 2 hours after which we had a house fire, & I'm so
far behind on my website work that either everyone else has crossed
the finish line or I have a substantial lead, rather suspecting the
latter is not the case. The long & the short is, I just don't have the
time to investigate it right now, & I would appreciate some help, if
possible. Thanks in advance.

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Re: Nvda and the International phonetic Alphabet, (IPA)

 

Correction on what I observed about the Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation dialog.   I'm not sure if I had a system burp or what, but when I got out of NVDA and back in again, and opened it, all the characters from symbols.dic and cldr.dic were present.  It's still odd to me that it puts the complex characters from symbols.dic first, then interrupts the list with the contents from cldr.dic, then comes back to the rest of the content of symbols.dic at the end.

I had to hit the END key to throw myself to the very end of a 2000 plus character list and find more of the contents from symbol.dic when in the character list part of that dialog.
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Re: more on the alt tab issue

Jackie
 

Sarah, you say the addon's disabled, but the faulting app module is
still project fly. Please try relocating that folder out of your app
module folder to some other place & see if it goes away.

On 3/17/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
Ok all. I still I think have it but it straightens itself out once I
load the log viewer, go figure. And sometimes it just starts to work
again. I should say Im running some pretty heavy duty software when this
happens. I've attached the links to all 3 logs from my db.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bxfy13kwaj2621f/alt%20tab%20log%2002.rtf?dl=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3s9ahaih7adv3o7/alt%20tab%20log%2003%20themes%20add%20on%20disabled.rtf?dl=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/hop7opyzl1mm9ax/ALT%20TAB%20LOG%2004.rtf?dl=1

I hope that helps a bit.



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Re: Nvda and the International phonetic Alphabet, (IPA)

 

A couple of things here:

        My comment regarding character by character reading, using character names, of the IPA versus phoneme by phoneme reading of characters in the IPA had to do with the ticket Enes Sarıbaş pointed out on github for NVDA.  It appears to me that ticket is requesting phoneme by phoneme reading, possibly at speeds that would make it impossible to know whether what was being read was originally written in its source language or the IPA.   I was contrasting this with what I interpret Teri's desire to be here, reading a word phonetically transcribed in the IPA character by character, using the name or description for that character, not the actual sound it makes.

        As I posted earlier on a different topic that I spun off just to determine how and where speech dictionaries versus character and symbol stuff is kept:  The symbols & punctuation dictionary is a thing of its own and appears to be localized by language, with the main folder being C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\locale\ with all the language abbreviations as separate folders beneath.  The English version being, C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\locale\en\symbols.dic.   Here is the section just for the common symbols, as a point of reference with regard to the layout.  The individual fields are tab separated:

# Standard punctuation/symbols
! bang all
" quote most
\# number some
$ dollar all norep
£ pound all norep
euro all norep
¢ Cents all norep
.
.
.
~ tilda mo

The first column is the symbol itself, the second is what you want NVDA to say when it encounters it (its replacement), the third is something called level [which I don't quite understand based on the options, I'm guessing "character" is what will be wanted for the IPA characters, maybe "all"], and the last column is whether to pass the actual character itself to the synthesizer (and I'd presume that would be never for the IPA characters).  Given that every common and not so common symbol I can think of is stored in this file, including all the bullet characters, monetary designations, vulgur fractions, etc., it would seem the IPA would get tacked on in this file.

What's weird, at least to me, is that if you open the character/symbol pronunciation dialog a great deal of what's in the symbols.dic file never appears at all in the list for the Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation dialog where you'd manually enter this stuff.  Only the complex punctuation shows, then it skips right along to showing what I'll call the "emoji characters" which are not stored in the symbols.dic file, but in a file called cldr.dic that's stored in the same folder.   There's a third file in that folder, characterDescriptions.dic, that contains two columns, the first being the letter of the alphabet and the second being its callout word, e.g., A Alpha, B Bravo, C Charlie, etc.

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more on the alt tab issue

Sarah k Alawami
 

Ok all. I still I think have it but it straightens itself out once I load the log viewer, go figure. And sometimes it just starts to work again. I should say Im running some pretty heavy duty software when this happens. I've attached the links to all 3 logs from my db.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bxfy13kwaj2621f/alt%20tab%20log%2002.rtf?dl=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3s9ahaih7adv3o7/alt%20tab%20log%2003%20themes%20add%20on%20disabled.rtf?dl=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/hop7opyzl1mm9ax/ALT%20TAB%20LOG%2004.rtf?dl=1

I hope that helps a bit.


Re: strange issue likely NVDA related

Sarah k Alawami
 

All they told me was they would look ito it when I sent hem an email. I can't remembeer who it was but it was someone special t support saying they woudl escolate my case, I'e heard nothing back from them, and the invisible windows still are happening over here, just with nvda by the way. I don't recall seeingany of this with narrator.

On 17 Mar 2019, at 3:07, wayne wrote:

Due to some very careful observations, this is what we're experiencing. With the dropbox famtom messages, with windows 7 64 bit running window-eyes there's absolutely know ffamtom dropbox messages. This is not happening with jaws. I don't have anything to report when it comes to windows 10. If somebody needs us too, we could certainly test it in windows 10. Several years ago and I don't remember the program and the details, but I do know I was getting some famtom messages with window-eyes. This time around I'm not sure that it's nvda, but since I've experienced it with window-eyes in the past, maybe we should have a closer look with nvda. let's just keep an ear on this.

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Hi, there was a weird transparent window issue a while back but the latest version seems to have stopped doing this. A guy at Dropbox called Geoff seems to be handling the issue, you might try emailing them about your problem as of course its no longer a problem here with the latest download.
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] strange issue likely NVDA related


Hi list ken here. Every so often on the computer dropbox will start to say what it usually says when it’s first starting. “dropbox c:program files .x86 and the up to date button and launch dropbox paper and so forth. It is completely random and it comes without warning. I posted a question to our radio station list and one other user is saying the same thing. Like me this other DJ on out of sight radio is using NVDA. I just double checked the addon and it’s up to date I have the latest version. According to this other user she’s not hearing this with jaws users on the station. She thinks NVDA is seeing something other screen readers don’t any ideas? Thanks.

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Re: listing open windows with NVDA

George McCoy <slr1bpz@...>
 

You can get the same result without the add-on.  In windows 10, go to the desktop.  Tab four times to the task view button and click it.


George

On 3/15/2019 4:01 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

Oh, then that's it.

I don't use this add-on. :)


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Em 15/03/2019 18:04, Gene escreveu:
Evidently, you need to use the system tray add-on to do this.  I use the add-on but I don't use a new version.  All I want is to get the system tray dialog.  there is evidently an updated version that adds this other feature if you issue the NVDA key f11 command twice.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] listing open windows with NVDA

Guys, are you sure this is a built-in NVDA command?

Here it doesn't do anything at all.


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Em 15/03/2019 15:04, Ralf Kefferpuetz escreveu:
NVDA + F11 twice basicly shows the task bar with all programs on the task bar, the opened ones and the not opened ones which are just shortcuts pinned there for fast opening.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Freitag, 15. März 2019 16:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] listing open windows with NVDA

Jaws+F10 is equivalent to NVDA+F11 twice...

Rui


Às 05:00 de 15/03/2019, Gerardo Corripio escreveu:
SisTray isn’t the one you’re trying to think of its name? With this 
one,
NVDA+F11 twice brings up the Task ist, but I don’t think this is what 
NVDA+is
being wanted to be done? What’s wanted to be done is like Jaws’s
Jaws+F10, which would be an awesome feature to have!

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 14 mar 2019, a la(s) 10:30 p. m., marcio via Groups.Io 
<marcinhorj21@...
<mailto:marcinhorj21@...>> escribió:

If I'm not going wrong, there was an add-on that would allow us to 
see all the windows opened at the time, including, I think, those you 
are talking about.

I don't remember the add-on's name, though. Sorry :(


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Em 13/03/2019 04:48, mhysnm1964@... escreveu:
All,

How do you find floating windows with NVDA other than using the 
object nav? In Jaws there is a hot key that shows all open app and 
windows. I cannot find a similar command.

A floating window for those who might not know the terminology. Is a 
window that is open by a program and is not attached to the program 
and some of them are not even attached to the application ring (alt 
tab). If the program does not place the focus correctly into the 
window. Then you cannot access the window by the keyboard. Thus the 
workaround which Jaws provides of listing all the windows helps here.

Hope someone can help.

Second question, just thought of. Are you able to remap keys in NVDA?