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Re: NVDA 2019.1 beta 1 available for testing

Jaffar Sidek
 

HI Quentin.  I don't know if there are other urgent bugs to be dealt with, but I feel that this beta version is good enough to be gold standard.  The response time, especially when on the web and in file explorer is amazing.  Superb job by the team.

On 3/4/2019 12:32 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Great to hear, thanks Rosemarie!

Yes, the ding sound is played when an error of some kind is written to the log.  It doesn't necessarily mean there is a problem for a regular user - and in many cases, having encountered an error, NVDA will try another way to do whatever it was trying to do.  So in many cases there may be a ding, but as a user, you don't notice anything amiss.

If you do find anything not working as it should, however, please do let us know!

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 3:10 PM Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, Quentin,

 

I just downloaded the beta version and it's working great for me. I do get the dinging sound but other than that, it's working great for me.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2019 5:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2019.1 beta 1 available for testing

 

 

NVDA 2019.1beta1 available for testing

 

March 4, 2019 10:10 am

Beta1 of NVDA 2019.1 is now available for download and testing. For anyone who is interested in trying out what NVDA 2019.1 has to offer before it is officially released, we welcome you to download the beta and provide feedback.

Highlights of this release include performance improvements when accessing both Microsoft word and Excel, stability and security improvements such as support for add-ons with version compatibility information, and many other bug fixes.

Although we recommend always reading the full list of changes (linked below), it is worth noting several important changes in regards to add-ons and other custom code:

NVDA will no longer automatically load custom appModules, globalPlugins and braille and synth drivers from the NVDA user configuration directory. This code should be instead packaged as an add-on with correct version information, ensuring that incompatible code is not run with current versions of NVDA. For developers who need to test code as it is being developed, enable NVDA’s developer scratchpad directory in the Advanced category of NVDA settings, and place your code in the ‘scratchpad’ directory found in the NVDA user configuration directory when this option is enabled.

Also, add-ons can now specify a minimum required NVDA version, and the last tested NVDA version, in their manifest. If this version of NVDA is outside of the specified range, NVDA will refuse to install or enable that particular add-on. This version of NVDA will however still allow installing and loading of add-ons that do not yet contain Minimum and Last Tested NVDA version information at all, but upgrading to future versions of NVDA (E.g. 2019.2) may automatically cause these older add-ons to be disabled.

 

·         Download NVDA 2019.1beta1

·         What’s new in this release of NVDA

·         Please report any issues on GitHub.

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: NVDA 2019.1 beta 1 available for testing

Ian Westerland
 

Hi Quentin. Is there a typo in the title of the NVDA Beta? The update announcement in the NVDA help section says "April 2018 is now available." Should this read 2019? Just checking with you before I download.

Ian Westerland

On 3/4/2019 3:32 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Great to hear, thanks Rosemarie!
Yes, the ding sound is played when an error of some kind is written to the log.  It doesn't necessarily mean there is a problem for a regular user - and in many cases, having encountered an error, NVDA will try another way to do whatever it was trying to do.  So in many cases there may be a ding, but as a user, you don't notice anything amiss.
If you do find anything not working as it should, however, please do let us know!
Kind regards
Quentin.
On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 3:10 PM Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@... <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>> wrote:
Hi, Quentin,____
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I just downloaded the beta version and it's working great for me. I
do get the dinging sound but other than that, it's working great for
me.____
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Rosemarie____
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Of *Quentin Christensen
*Sent:* Sunday, March 3, 2019 5:13 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] NVDA 2019.1 beta 1 available for testing____
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Original post at:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-1beta1-available-for-testing/____
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NVDA 2019.1beta1 available for testing____
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March 4, 2019 10:10 am____
Beta1 of NVDA 2019.1 is now available for download and testing. For
anyone who is interested in trying out what NVDA 2019.1 has to offer
before it is officially released, we welcome you to download the
beta and provide feedback.____
Highlights of this release include performance improvements when
accessing both Microsoft word and Excel, stability and security
improvements such as support for add-ons with version compatibility
information, and many other bug fixes.____
Although we recommend always reading the full list of changes
(linked below), it is worth noting several important changes in
regards to add-ons and other custom code:____
NVDA will no longer automatically load custom appModules,
globalPlugins and braille and synth drivers from the NVDA user
configuration directory. This code should be instead packaged as an
add-on with correct version information, ensuring that incompatible
code is not run with current versions of NVDA. For developers who
need to test code as it is being developed, enable NVDA’s developer
scratchpad directory in the Advanced category of NVDA settings, and
place your code in the ‘scratchpad’ directory found in the NVDA user
configuration directory when this option is enabled.____
Also, add-ons can now specify a minimum required NVDA version, and
the last tested NVDA version, in their manifest. If this version of
NVDA is outside of the specified range, NVDA will refuse to install
or enable that particular add-on. This version of NVDA will however
still allow installing and loading of add-ons that do not yet
contain Minimum and Last Tested NVDA version information at all, but
upgrading to future versions of NVDA (E.g. 2019.2) may automatically
cause these older add-ons to be disabled.____
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__·__*Download NVDA 2019.1beta1*
<https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2019.1beta1/nvda_2019.1beta1.exe>____
__·__*What’s new in this release of NVDA*
<https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2019.1beta1/nvda_2019.1beta1_changes.html>____
__·__Please report any issues *on GitHub*
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues>.____
-- ____
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager____
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Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now
available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/____
__ __
www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>____
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess ____
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--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess


Re: NVDA 2019.1 beta 1 available for testing

Quentin Christensen
 

Great to hear, thanks Rosemarie!

Yes, the ding sound is played when an error of some kind is written to the log.  It doesn't necessarily mean there is a problem for a regular user - and in many cases, having encountered an error, NVDA will try another way to do whatever it was trying to do.  So in many cases there may be a ding, but as a user, you don't notice anything amiss.

If you do find anything not working as it should, however, please do let us know!

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 3:10 PM Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, Quentin,

 

I just downloaded the beta version and it's working great for me. I do get the dinging sound but other than that, it's working great for me.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2019 5:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2019.1 beta 1 available for testing

 

 

NVDA 2019.1beta1 available for testing

 

March 4, 2019 10:10 am

Beta1 of NVDA 2019.1 is now available for download and testing. For anyone who is interested in trying out what NVDA 2019.1 has to offer before it is officially released, we welcome you to download the beta and provide feedback.

Highlights of this release include performance improvements when accessing both Microsoft word and Excel, stability and security improvements such as support for add-ons with version compatibility information, and many other bug fixes.

Although we recommend always reading the full list of changes (linked below), it is worth noting several important changes in regards to add-ons and other custom code:

NVDA will no longer automatically load custom appModules, globalPlugins and braille and synth drivers from the NVDA user configuration directory. This code should be instead packaged as an add-on with correct version information, ensuring that incompatible code is not run with current versions of NVDA. For developers who need to test code as it is being developed, enable NVDA’s developer scratchpad directory in the Advanced category of NVDA settings, and place your code in the ‘scratchpad’ directory found in the NVDA user configuration directory when this option is enabled.

Also, add-ons can now specify a minimum required NVDA version, and the last tested NVDA version, in their manifest. If this version of NVDA is outside of the specified range, NVDA will refuse to install or enable that particular add-on. This version of NVDA will however still allow installing and loading of add-ons that do not yet contain Minimum and Last Tested NVDA version information at all, but upgrading to future versions of NVDA (E.g. 2019.2) may automatically cause these older add-ons to be disabled.

 

·         Download NVDA 2019.1beta1

·         What’s new in this release of NVDA

·         Please report any issues on GitHub.

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: adding exceptions to the windows firewall in windows 10

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

Press windows key + r to open run

In the run window type winver and enter.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Arlene
Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2019 4:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] adding exceptions to the windows firewall in windows 10

 

Ow does one tell what version of windows you have on a new win ten?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Tony Ballou
Sent: March 3, 2019 1:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] adding exceptions to the windows firewall in windows 10

 

Howdy folks,

 

 

Using windows 10 version 1803 on my desktop system.  For some reason it

doesn't want version 1809. I have to create a couple of exceptions in

windows firewall so that two programs that I frequently use run

properly.  I haven't had to do this in years. Has anybody done this

successfully, and could share with me the steps for how to do it. Thanks

a bunch.

 

 

Tony

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA the miracle of modern assistive technology

Jaffar Sidek
 

ah yes! that is true.

On 3/4/2019 12:20 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

You forgot narrator, it's an upcoming screen reader but it to me deserves a place in the standing tall category.

On 3 Mar 2019, at 18:37, Pascal Lambert wrote:

Thank you. Eloquently stated. Ditto.
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2019 9:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA the miracle of modern assistive technology

Hi all. In 2006, when Michael Currant conceived the idea of developing an open source screen reader to neutralize the high cost of commercial screen readers, and when he and James Teh founded NVAccess, The feeling going around was that sooner or later, this upstart in the screen reader industry would shortly be gobbled up by the more recognized players. Well, Window eyes has gone down the proverbial plug hole. SaraTech and Dolphin has gone almost quiet, and the two left standing proud and tall in the boxing ring is JFW and NVDA. These are the facts, not mere conjecture, and the facts are clear enough to see. Why am I writing this? Financial reward is a big factor in motivating a company to work towards improving a product. However, the demand for immediate rewards can also lead to a product being rushed out in the hope that it will satisfy the needs of the customers as well as filling up the company's coffers. But hope is one thing, delivery is another vital factor. I do not have to revise the recent debacle experienced by the end users of Windows 1809. Jaws is now into it's 2019 version. Yet their new driver is not as stable as it should be and there are complains about it from users and Jaws scripters alike.

And what about NVDA? O yes! NVDA does have it's quirks, No software can avoid that. But there is an almost daily alpha version released that tries to fix reported issues. Then we must not leave out a dedicated community of users who do their very best to help in the form of advise and tutorials, some even dedicating part of their website to put up materials for reference for those who need them. And then there are those from the community who help with NVDA's development, Translators who help translate NVDA itself and it's numerous addons into the many languages, and the addon developers who develop addons that make NVDA more than just a mere screen reader, All these done in their own spare time and without the apparent rewards in dollars. Which reminds me, Is there a clock addon for JFW? Which brings me back to motivation. I did earlier allude to the fact that monetary reward is a big incentive. But you know, humanity can be a bigger incentive than finance. For most blind people, and especially for those living in the poorer countries, just getting a working computer makes a dent in their pockets. Add the cost of a screen reader and the dent could be astronomical. NVDA has provided us from rich and poor regions of the world with another alternative, and that in itself is a modern miracle. And, most important, NVDA, as I said earlier is not just a mere screen reader. It goes way beyond basic screen reading tasks like browsing the web or checking emails or formatting documents. It works seemlessly with programming IDES like visual Studio, and Android Studio, just to name a few, and then musicians use it in association with DAWS like Reaper to make music as a hobby or as a profession, and broadcasters benefit from addons developed for Station playlist studio. I use both Jaws and NVDA, and I had to pay almost 2000 Singapore dollars to get my new version of Jaws. And after all that, I had to pay for some scripts by independent Jaws Scripters to make jaws work with some applications. NVDA is open source and free, it's addons are free, and therein lies the difference.

How then can a thread about NVDA dying be ever posted is way beyond my understanding. Negative posts like this are rather disturbing because it could put a huge dent into the efforts of all concerned with NVDA's development. And one must not forget the extraneous update routines put out by Microsoft which not only affects NVDA but JFW as well. Pardon this long and rambling email, but I felt that I had to pen my thoughts onto paper, as it were, just to remind ourselves that we do owe these people dedicated to ever improving NVDA a huge debt, and to remind us all that as long as this great effort continues, NVDA will be far from dying a slow death or disappearing into the ether. To me, NVDA is, and always will be a modern miracle. Cheers!







Re: adding exceptions to the windows firewall in windows 10

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

  1. Press your windows key
    2.  Type allow an app then press enter

 

  1. Press alt+n to change settings
  2. Press alt+r  to allow another app
  3. Press alt+b to browse to the app you wish to add

When you find the executable for the app press enter on it.

  1. Tab to add and enter.

 

Repeat 4 – 6 to add another app.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Tony Ballou
Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2019 2:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] adding exceptions to the windows firewall in windows 10

 

Howdy folks,

 

 

Using windows 10 version 1803 on my desktop system.  For some reason it

doesn't want version 1809. I have to create a couple of exceptions in

windows firewall so that two programs that I frequently use run

properly.  I haven't had to do this in years. Has anybody done this

successfully, and could share with me the steps for how to do it. Thanks

a bunch.

 

 

Tony

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA the miracle of modern assistive technology

Sarah k Alawami
 

You forgot narrator, it's an upcoming screen reader but it to me deserves a place in the standing tall category.

On 3 Mar 2019, at 18:37, Pascal Lambert wrote:

Thank you. Eloquently stated. Ditto.
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2019 9:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA the miracle of modern assistive technology

Hi all. In 2006, when Michael Currant conceived the idea of developing an open source screen reader to neutralize the high cost of commercial screen readers, and when he and James Teh founded NVAccess, The feeling going around was that sooner or later, this upstart in the screen reader industry would shortly be gobbled up by the more recognized players. Well, Window eyes has gone down the proverbial plug hole. SaraTech and Dolphin has gone almost quiet, and the two left standing proud and tall in the boxing ring is JFW and NVDA. These are the facts, not mere conjecture, and the facts are clear enough to see. Why am I writing this? Financial reward is a big factor in motivating a company to work towards improving a product. However, the demand for immediate rewards can also lead to a product being rushed out in the hope that it will satisfy the needs of the customers as well as filling up the company's coffers. But hope is one thing, delivery is another vital factor. I do not have to revise the recent debacle experienced by the end users of Windows 1809. Jaws is now into it's 2019 version. Yet their new driver is not as stable as it should be and there are complains about it from users and Jaws scripters alike.

And what about NVDA? O yes! NVDA does have it's quirks, No software can avoid that. But there is an almost daily alpha version released that tries to fix reported issues. Then we must not leave out a dedicated community of users who do their very best to help in the form of advise and tutorials, some even dedicating part of their website to put up materials for reference for those who need them. And then there are those from the community who help with NVDA's development, Translators who help translate NVDA itself and it's numerous addons into the many languages, and the addon developers who develop addons that make NVDA more than just a mere screen reader, All these done in their own spare time and without the apparent rewards in dollars. Which reminds me, Is there a clock addon for JFW? Which brings me back to motivation. I did earlier allude to the fact that monetary reward is a big incentive. But you know, humanity can be a bigger incentive than finance. For most blind people, and especially for those living in the poorer countries, just getting a working computer makes a dent in their pockets. Add the cost of a screen reader and the dent could be astronomical. NVDA has provided us from rich and poor regions of the world with another alternative, and that in itself is a modern miracle. And, most important, NVDA, as I said earlier is not just a mere screen reader. It goes way beyond basic screen reading tasks like browsing the web or checking emails or formatting documents. It works seemlessly with programming IDES like visual Studio, and Android Studio, just to name a few, and then musicians use it in association with DAWS like Reaper to make music as a hobby or as a profession, and broadcasters benefit from addons developed for Station playlist studio. I use both Jaws and NVDA, and I had to pay almost 2000 Singapore dollars to get my new version of Jaws. And after all that, I had to pay for some scripts by independent Jaws Scripters to make jaws work with some applications. NVDA is open source and free, it's addons are free, and therein lies the difference.

How then can a thread about NVDA dying be ever posted is way beyond my understanding. Negative posts like this are rather disturbing because it could put a huge dent into the efforts of all concerned with NVDA's development. And one must not forget the extraneous update routines put out by Microsoft which not only affects NVDA but JFW as well. Pardon this long and rambling email, but I felt that I had to pen my thoughts onto paper, as it were, just to remind ourselves that we do owe these people dedicated to ever improving NVDA a huge debt, and to remind us all that as long as this great effort continues, NVDA will be far from dying a slow death or disappearing into the ether. To me, NVDA is, and always will be a modern miracle. Cheers!







Re: NVDA 2019.1 beta 1 available for testing

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Quentin,

 

I just downloaded the beta version and it's working great for me. I do get the dinging sound but other than that, it's working great for me.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2019 5:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2019.1 beta 1 available for testing

 

 

NVDA 2019.1beta1 available for testing

 

March 4, 2019 10:10 am

Beta1 of NVDA 2019.1 is now available for download and testing. For anyone who is interested in trying out what NVDA 2019.1 has to offer before it is officially released, we welcome you to download the beta and provide feedback.

Highlights of this release include performance improvements when accessing both Microsoft word and Excel, stability and security improvements such as support for add-ons with version compatibility information, and many other bug fixes.

Although we recommend always reading the full list of changes (linked below), it is worth noting several important changes in regards to add-ons and other custom code:

NVDA will no longer automatically load custom appModules, globalPlugins and braille and synth drivers from the NVDA user configuration directory. This code should be instead packaged as an add-on with correct version information, ensuring that incompatible code is not run with current versions of NVDA. For developers who need to test code as it is being developed, enable NVDA’s developer scratchpad directory in the Advanced category of NVDA settings, and place your code in the ‘scratchpad’ directory found in the NVDA user configuration directory when this option is enabled.

Also, add-ons can now specify a minimum required NVDA version, and the last tested NVDA version, in their manifest. If this version of NVDA is outside of the specified range, NVDA will refuse to install or enable that particular add-on. This version of NVDA will however still allow installing and loading of add-ons that do not yet contain Minimum and Last Tested NVDA version information at all, but upgrading to future versions of NVDA (E.g. 2019.2) may automatically cause these older add-ons to be disabled.

 

·         Download NVDA 2019.1beta1

·         What’s new in this release of NVDA

·         Please report any issues on GitHub.

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: NVDA the miracle of modern assistive technology

Sky Mundell
 

Oh, no doubt about that Jaffer. By the way. I loved your review on Sonar on Main menu, a long time ago 2001! I still remember that. And your review of cool edit pro too!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2019 6:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA the miracle of modern assistive technology

I am sure it was never Michael's intention to put anyone out of
business. His role is to create a free, working product that would
benefit all. And if his cause of action wasn't acted upon by parties
concerned, then It is their call, don't you think? Cheers!

On 3/4/2019 10:39 AM, Sky Mundell wrote:
Hello Jaffer. I agree. However, I do remember on a Main menu interview back in, 2007, which was, 12 years ago, this month, was when Michael and the gang on Main menu had their first main menu live interview. Mike Calvo and Matt Campbell from Serotek talked to him, and one of the comments Michael said that he wasn't planning on putting any of the commercial products out of business and that he hoped all of the commercial products would take a look at what he was doing and put some of the features he had in his product at the time which was 425 into their product. I don't have the link but if you type in NVDA main menu ACB radio live you'll find the interview.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2019 6:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA the miracle of modern assistive technology

Hi all. In 2006, when Michael Currant conceived the idea of developing
an open source screen reader to neutralize the high cost of commercial
screen readers, and when he and James Teh founded NVAccess, The feeling
going around was that sooner or later, this upstart in the screen reader
industry would shortly be gobbled up by the more recognized players.
Well, Window eyes has gone down the proverbial plug hole. SaraTech and
Dolphin has gone almost quiet, and the two left standing proud and tall
in the boxing ring is JFW and NVDA. These are the facts, not mere
conjecture, and the facts are clear enough to see. Why am I writing
this? Financial reward is a big factor in motivating a company to work
towards improving a product. However, the demand for immediate rewards
can also lead to a product being rushed out in the hope that it will
satisfy the needs of the customers as well as filling up the company's
coffers. But hope is one thing, delivery is another vital factor. I do
not have to revise the recent debacle experienced by the end users of
Windows 1809. Jaws is now into it's 2019 version. Yet their new driver
is not as stable as it should be and there are complains about it from
users and Jaws scripters alike.

And what about NVDA? O yes! NVDA does have it's quirks, No software can
avoid that. But there is an almost daily alpha version released that
tries to fix reported issues. Then we must not leave out a dedicated
community of users who do their very best to help in the form of advise
and tutorials, some even dedicating part of their website to put up
materials for reference for those who need them. And then there are
those from the community who help with NVDA's development, Translators
who help translate NVDA itself and it's numerous addons into the many
languages, and the addon developers who develop addons that make NVDA
more than just a mere screen reader, All these done in their own spare
time and without the apparent rewards in dollars. Which reminds me, Is
there a clock addon for JFW? Which brings me back to motivation. I did
earlier allude to the fact that monetary reward is a big incentive. But
you know, humanity can be a bigger incentive than finance. For most
blind people, and especially for those living in the poorer countries,
just getting a working computer makes a dent in their pockets. Add the
cost of a screen reader and the dent could be astronomical. NVDA has
provided us from rich and poor regions of the world with another
alternative, and that in itself is a modern miracle. And, most
important, NVDA, as I said earlier is not just a mere screen reader. It
goes way beyond basic screen reading tasks like browsing the web or
checking emails or formatting documents. It works seemlessly with
programming IDES like visual Studio, and Android Studio, just to name a
few, and then musicians use it in association with DAWS like Reaper to
make music as a hobby or as a profession, and broadcasters benefit from
addons developed for Station playlist studio. I use both Jaws and NVDA,
and I had to pay almost 2000 Singapore dollars to get my new version of
Jaws. And after all that, I had to pay for some scripts by independent
Jaws Scripters to make jaws work with some applications. NVDA is open
source and free, it's addons are free, and therein lies the difference.

How then can a thread about NVDA dying be ever posted is way beyond my
understanding. Negative posts like this are rather disturbing because
it could put a huge dent into the efforts of all concerned with NVDA's
development. And one must not forget the extraneous update routines put
out by Microsoft which not only affects NVDA but JFW as well. Pardon
this long and rambling email, but I felt that I had to pen my thoughts
onto paper, as it were, just to remind ourselves that we do owe these
people dedicated to ever improving NVDA a huge debt, and to remind us
all that as long as this great effort continues, NVDA will be far from
dying a slow death or disappearing into the ether. To me, NVDA is, and
always will be a modern miracle. Cheers!







Re: NVDA the miracle of modern assistive technology

Jaffar Sidek
 

I am sure it was never Michael's intention to put anyone out of business.  His role is to create a free, working product that would benefit all.  And if his cause of action wasn't acted upon by parties concerned, then It is their call, don't you think? Cheers!

On 3/4/2019 10:39 AM, Sky Mundell wrote:
Hello Jaffer. I agree. However, I do remember on a Main menu interview back in, 2007, which was, 12 years ago, this month, was when Michael and the gang on Main menu had their first main menu live interview. Mike Calvo and Matt Campbell from Serotek talked to him, and one of the comments Michael said that he wasn't planning on putting any of the commercial products out of business and that he hoped all of the commercial products would take a look at what he was doing and put some of the features he had in his product at the time which was 425 into their product. I don't have the link but if you type in NVDA main menu ACB radio live you'll find the interview.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2019 6:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA the miracle of modern assistive technology

Hi all. In 2006, when Michael Currant conceived the idea of developing
an open source screen reader to neutralize the high cost of commercial
screen readers, and when he and James Teh founded NVAccess, The feeling
going around was that sooner or later, this upstart in the screen reader
industry would shortly be gobbled up by the more recognized players.
Well, Window eyes has gone down the proverbial plug hole. SaraTech and
Dolphin has gone almost quiet, and the two left standing proud and tall
in the boxing ring is JFW and NVDA. These are the facts, not mere
conjecture, and the facts are clear enough to see. Why am I writing
this? Financial reward is a big factor in motivating a company to work
towards improving a product. However, the demand for immediate rewards
can also lead to a product being rushed out in the hope that it will
satisfy the needs of the customers as well as filling up the company's
coffers. But hope is one thing, delivery is another vital factor. I do
not have to revise the recent debacle experienced by the end users of
Windows 1809. Jaws is now into it's 2019 version. Yet their new driver
is not as stable as it should be and there are complains about it from
users and Jaws scripters alike.

And what about NVDA? O yes! NVDA does have it's quirks, No software can
avoid that. But there is an almost daily alpha version released that
tries to fix reported issues. Then we must not leave out a dedicated
community of users who do their very best to help in the form of advise
and tutorials, some even dedicating part of their website to put up
materials for reference for those who need them. And then there are
those from the community who help with NVDA's development, Translators
who help translate NVDA itself and it's numerous addons into the many
languages, and the addon developers who develop addons that make NVDA
more than just a mere screen reader, All these done in their own spare
time and without the apparent rewards in dollars. Which reminds me, Is
there a clock addon for JFW? Which brings me back to motivation. I did
earlier allude to the fact that monetary reward is a big incentive. But
you know, humanity can be a bigger incentive than finance. For most
blind people, and especially for those living in the poorer countries,
just getting a working computer makes a dent in their pockets. Add the
cost of a screen reader and the dent could be astronomical. NVDA has
provided us from rich and poor regions of the world with another
alternative, and that in itself is a modern miracle. And, most
important, NVDA, as I said earlier is not just a mere screen reader. It
goes way beyond basic screen reading tasks like browsing the web or
checking emails or formatting documents. It works seemlessly with
programming IDES like visual Studio, and Android Studio, just to name a
few, and then musicians use it in association with DAWS like Reaper to
make music as a hobby or as a profession, and broadcasters benefit from
addons developed for Station playlist studio. I use both Jaws and NVDA,
and I had to pay almost 2000 Singapore dollars to get my new version of
Jaws. And after all that, I had to pay for some scripts by independent
Jaws Scripters to make jaws work with some applications. NVDA is open
source and free, it's addons are free, and therein lies the difference.

How then can a thread about NVDA dying be ever posted is way beyond my
understanding. Negative posts like this are rather disturbing because
it could put a huge dent into the efforts of all concerned with NVDA's
development. And one must not forget the extraneous update routines put
out by Microsoft which not only affects NVDA but JFW as well. Pardon
this long and rambling email, but I felt that I had to pen my thoughts
onto paper, as it were, just to remind ourselves that we do owe these
people dedicated to ever improving NVDA a huge debt, and to remind us
all that as long as this great effort continues, NVDA will be far from
dying a slow death or disappearing into the ether. To me, NVDA is, and
always will be a modern miracle. Cheers!






Re: NVDA the miracle of modern assistive technology

Sky Mundell
 

Hello Jaffer. I agree. However, I do remember on a Main menu interview back in, 2007, which was, 12 years ago, this month, was when Michael and the gang on Main menu had their first main menu live interview. Mike Calvo and Matt Campbell from Serotek talked to him, and one of the comments Michael said that he wasn't planning on putting any of the commercial products out of business and that he hoped all of the commercial products would take a look at what he was doing and put some of the features he had in his product at the time which was 425 into their product. I don't have the link but if you type in NVDA main menu ACB radio live you'll find the interview.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2019 6:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA the miracle of modern assistive technology

Hi all. In 2006, when Michael Currant conceived the idea of developing
an open source screen reader to neutralize the high cost of commercial
screen readers, and when he and James Teh founded NVAccess, The feeling
going around was that sooner or later, this upstart in the screen reader
industry would shortly be gobbled up by the more recognized players.
Well, Window eyes has gone down the proverbial plug hole. SaraTech and
Dolphin has gone almost quiet, and the two left standing proud and tall
in the boxing ring is JFW and NVDA. These are the facts, not mere
conjecture, and the facts are clear enough to see. Why am I writing
this? Financial reward is a big factor in motivating a company to work
towards improving a product. However, the demand for immediate rewards
can also lead to a product being rushed out in the hope that it will
satisfy the needs of the customers as well as filling up the company's
coffers. But hope is one thing, delivery is another vital factor. I do
not have to revise the recent debacle experienced by the end users of
Windows 1809. Jaws is now into it's 2019 version. Yet their new driver
is not as stable as it should be and there are complains about it from
users and Jaws scripters alike.

And what about NVDA? O yes! NVDA does have it's quirks, No software can
avoid that. But there is an almost daily alpha version released that
tries to fix reported issues. Then we must not leave out a dedicated
community of users who do their very best to help in the form of advise
and tutorials, some even dedicating part of their website to put up
materials for reference for those who need them. And then there are
those from the community who help with NVDA's development, Translators
who help translate NVDA itself and it's numerous addons into the many
languages, and the addon developers who develop addons that make NVDA
more than just a mere screen reader, All these done in their own spare
time and without the apparent rewards in dollars. Which reminds me, Is
there a clock addon for JFW? Which brings me back to motivation. I did
earlier allude to the fact that monetary reward is a big incentive. But
you know, humanity can be a bigger incentive than finance. For most
blind people, and especially for those living in the poorer countries,
just getting a working computer makes a dent in their pockets. Add the
cost of a screen reader and the dent could be astronomical. NVDA has
provided us from rich and poor regions of the world with another
alternative, and that in itself is a modern miracle. And, most
important, NVDA, as I said earlier is not just a mere screen reader. It
goes way beyond basic screen reading tasks like browsing the web or
checking emails or formatting documents. It works seemlessly with
programming IDES like visual Studio, and Android Studio, just to name a
few, and then musicians use it in association with DAWS like Reaper to
make music as a hobby or as a profession, and broadcasters benefit from
addons developed for Station playlist studio. I use both Jaws and NVDA,
and I had to pay almost 2000 Singapore dollars to get my new version of
Jaws. And after all that, I had to pay for some scripts by independent
Jaws Scripters to make jaws work with some applications. NVDA is open
source and free, it's addons are free, and therein lies the difference.

How then can a thread about NVDA dying be ever posted is way beyond my
understanding. Negative posts like this are rather disturbing because
it could put a huge dent into the efforts of all concerned with NVDA's
development. And one must not forget the extraneous update routines put
out by Microsoft which not only affects NVDA but JFW as well. Pardon
this long and rambling email, but I felt that I had to pen my thoughts
onto paper, as it were, just to remind ourselves that we do owe these
people dedicated to ever improving NVDA a huge debt, and to remind us
all that as long as this great effort continues, NVDA will be far from
dying a slow death or disappearing into the ether. To me, NVDA is, and
always will be a modern miracle. Cheers!


Re: NVDA the miracle of modern assistive technology

Pascal Lambert <coccinelle86@...>
 

Thank you. Eloquently stated. Ditto.
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2019 9:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA the miracle of modern assistive technology

Hi all. In 2006, when Michael Currant conceived the idea of developing an open source screen reader to neutralize the high cost of commercial screen readers, and when he and James Teh founded NVAccess, The feeling going around was that sooner or later, this upstart in the screen reader industry would shortly be gobbled up by the more recognized players. Well, Window eyes has gone down the proverbial plug hole. SaraTech and Dolphin has gone almost quiet, and the two left standing proud and tall in the boxing ring is JFW and NVDA. These are the facts, not mere conjecture, and the facts are clear enough to see. Why am I writing this? Financial reward is a big factor in motivating a company to work towards improving a product. However, the demand for immediate rewards can also lead to a product being rushed out in the hope that it will satisfy the needs of the customers as well as filling up the company's coffers. But hope is one thing, delivery is another vital factor. I do not have to revise the recent debacle experienced by the end users of Windows 1809. Jaws is now into it's 2019 version. Yet their new driver is not as stable as it should be and there are complains about it from users and Jaws scripters alike.

And what about NVDA? O yes! NVDA does have it's quirks, No software can avoid that. But there is an almost daily alpha version released that tries to fix reported issues. Then we must not leave out a dedicated community of users who do their very best to help in the form of advise and tutorials, some even dedicating part of their website to put up materials for reference for those who need them. And then there are those from the community who help with NVDA's development, Translators who help translate NVDA itself and it's numerous addons into the many languages, and the addon developers who develop addons that make NVDA more than just a mere screen reader, All these done in their own spare time and without the apparent rewards in dollars. Which reminds me, Is there a clock addon for JFW? Which brings me back to motivation. I did earlier allude to the fact that monetary reward is a big incentive. But you know, humanity can be a bigger incentive than finance. For most blind people, and especially for those living in the poorer countries, just getting a working computer makes a dent in their pockets. Add the cost of a screen reader and the dent could be astronomical. NVDA has provided us from rich and poor regions of the world with another alternative, and that in itself is a modern miracle. And, most important, NVDA, as I said earlier is not just a mere screen reader. It goes way beyond basic screen reading tasks like browsing the web or checking emails or formatting documents. It works seemlessly with programming IDES like visual Studio, and Android Studio, just to name a few, and then musicians use it in association with DAWS like Reaper to make music as a hobby or as a profession, and broadcasters benefit from addons developed for Station playlist studio. I use both Jaws and NVDA, and I had to pay almost 2000 Singapore dollars to get my new version of Jaws. And after all that, I had to pay for some scripts by independent Jaws Scripters to make jaws work with some applications. NVDA is open source and free, it's addons are free, and therein lies the difference.

How then can a thread about NVDA dying be ever posted is way beyond my understanding. Negative posts like this are rather disturbing because it could put a huge dent into the efforts of all concerned with NVDA's development. And one must not forget the extraneous update routines put out by Microsoft which not only affects NVDA but JFW as well. Pardon this long and rambling email, but I felt that I had to pen my thoughts onto paper, as it were, just to remind ourselves that we do owe these people dedicated to ever improving NVDA a huge debt, and to remind us all that as long as this great effort continues, NVDA will be far from dying a slow death or disappearing into the ether. To me, NVDA is, and always will be a modern miracle. Cheers!


NVDA the miracle of modern assistive technology

Jaffar Sidek
 

Hi all.  In 2006, when Michael Currant conceived the idea of developing an open source screen reader to neutralize the high cost of commercial screen readers, and when he and James Teh founded NVAccess, The feeling going around was that sooner or later, this upstart in the screen reader industry would shortly be gobbled up by the more recognized  players.  Well, Window eyes has gone down the proverbial plug hole.  SaraTech and Dolphin has gone almost quiet, and the two left standing proud and tall in the boxing ring is JFW and NVDA.  These are the facts, not mere conjecture, and the facts are clear enough to see.  Why am I writing this?  Financial reward is a big factor in motivating a company to work towards improving a product.  However, the demand for immediate rewards can also lead to a product being rushed out in the hope that it will satisfy the needs of the customers as well as filling up the company's coffers.  But hope is one thing, delivery is another vital factor.  I do not have to revise the recent debacle experienced by the end users of Windows 1809.  Jaws is now into it's 2019 version.  Yet their new driver is not as stable as it should be and there are complains about it from users and Jaws scripters alike.

And what about NVDA?  O yes! NVDA does have it's quirks, No software can avoid that.  But there is an almost daily alpha version released that tries to fix reported issues.  Then we must not leave out a dedicated community of users who do their very best to help in the form of advise and tutorials, some even dedicating part of their website to put up materials for reference for those who need them.  And then there are those from the community who help with NVDA's development, Translators who help translate NVDA itself and it's numerous addons into the many languages, and the addon developers who develop addons that make NVDA more than just a mere screen reader,  All these done in their own spare time and without the apparent rewards in dollars.  Which reminds me, Is there a clock addon for JFW?  Which brings me back to motivation.  I did earlier allude to the fact that monetary reward is a big incentive.  But you know, humanity can be a bigger incentive than finance.  For most blind people, and especially for those living in the poorer countries, just getting a working computer makes a dent in their pockets.  Add the cost of a screen reader and the dent could be astronomical.  NVDA has provided us from rich and poor regions of the world with another alternative, and that in itself is a modern miracle.  And, most important, NVDA, as I said earlier is not just a mere screen reader.  It goes way beyond basic screen reading tasks like browsing the web or checking emails or formatting documents.  It works seemlessly with programming IDES like visual Studio, and Android Studio, just to name a few, and then musicians use it in association with DAWS like Reaper to make music as a hobby or as a profession, and broadcasters benefit from addons developed for Station playlist studio.  I use both Jaws and NVDA, and I had to pay almost 2000 Singapore dollars to get my new version of Jaws.  And after all that, I had to pay for some scripts by independent Jaws Scripters to make jaws work with some applications.  NVDA is open source and free, it's addons are free, and therein lies the difference.

How then can a thread about NVDA dying be ever posted is way beyond my understanding.  Negative posts like this are rather disturbing because it could put a huge dent into the efforts of all concerned with NVDA's development.  And one must not forget the extraneous update routines put out by Microsoft which not only affects NVDA but JFW as well.  Pardon this long and rambling email, but I felt that I had to pen my thoughts onto paper, as it were, just to remind ourselves that we do owe these people dedicated to ever improving NVDA a huge debt, and to remind us all that as long as this great effort continues, NVDA will be far from dying a slow death or disappearing into the ether.  To me, NVDA is, and always will be a modern miracle.  Cheers!


Many more tasks speaking in NVDA!

David Moore
 

Hi all!

I also want to thank you that so much more very important information is spoken with NVDA.

In 1901, when I press the volume key on my laptop, NVDA says the volume level like Narrator does.

In the Mail app, I now have access to my signature like I have not before.

In Chrome, I can hear the notifications that are given, and work with them.

In the Windows 10 Settings app, I get much more spoken information when navigation through the storage settings.

Thank you so much, developers.

I am up to 90 percent of using NVDA!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: adding exceptions to the windows firewall in windows 10

Curtis Delzer
 

go to run dialog and type winver
-----
Curtis Delzer, HS.
WB6HEF
San Bernardino, CA


NVDA is much more responsive!

David Moore
 

Hi all!

I just installed the latest alpha-snapshot 16885, and NVDA is so responsive in File Explorer, like it never has been before.

Also, I am noticing much greater responsiveness in the Mail app, All browsers, especially Chrome, and Notepad Plus Plus.

It is so wonderful to fly through many files and folders in File Explorer.

That was a big problem I have experienced for years, is sluggishness when arrowing down through a large list.

I thank you all, developers, from the bottom of my heart for what you have done with NVDA in this department.

Keep up the great work!

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


NVDA 2019.1 beta 1 available for testing

Quentin Christensen
 


NVDA 2019.1beta1 available for testing


March 4, 2019 10:10 am

Beta1 of NVDA 2019.1 is now available for download and testing. For anyone who is interested in trying out what NVDA 2019.1 has to offer before it is officially released, we welcome you to download the beta and provide feedback.

Highlights of this release include performance improvements when accessing both Microsoft word and Excel, stability and security improvements such as support for add-ons with version compatibility information, and many other bug fixes.

Although we recommend always reading the full list of changes (linked below), it is worth noting several important changes in regards to add-ons and other custom code:

NVDA will no longer automatically load custom appModules, globalPlugins and braille and synth drivers from the NVDA user configuration directory. This code should be instead packaged as an add-on with correct version information, ensuring that incompatible code is not run with current versions of NVDA. For developers who need to test code as it is being developed, enable NVDA’s developer scratchpad directory in the Advanced category of NVDA settings, and place your code in the ‘scratchpad’ directory found in the NVDA user configuration directory when this option is enabled.

Also, add-ons can now specify a minimum required NVDA version, and the last tested NVDA version, in their manifest. If this version of NVDA is outside of the specified range, NVDA will refuse to install or enable that particular add-on. This version of NVDA will however still allow installing and loading of add-ons that do not yet contain Minimum and Last Tested NVDA version information at all, but upgrading to future versions of NVDA (E.g. 2019.2) may automatically cause these older add-ons to be disabled.


--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: In-Process for 1st March 2019

Quentin Christensen
 

Well, yes and no - it's easier to pick up a tablet, but it's harder to do complex tasks on one (sighted or not) - I use Excel all the time on the PC, but never on mobile if I can help it (and if I can't, I usually just try and read the information that I need rather than doing any complex editing).


On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 10:39 AM Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

And that is the advantage I guess if you are sighted then go blind if you are allready using a touch tablet.

There are touch devices all over the place, it wouldn't mean you would have to give up your touch tablet or tablet computer at all excluding windows sadly that is.



On 4/03/2019 12:08 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Brian,

Yes you are right - often people who lose vision later in life may well have used a computer before, but the majority of fully sighted computer users know very few keystrokes and largely rely on the mouse.  So, learning to use a computer without the mouse does pretty much require learning it from scratch.

Re what we're working on next to improve responsiveness, off the top of my head I'm not sure, but as we get feedback from those who have tried the changes we've made so far, we'll get a better picture of how effective what we've done so far has been, what it's fixed, what needs more work etc.  So, do please try the latest alpha version and let us know how it's going: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 8:13 AM enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:
hi,

You mention in the blog that there is still more planned to improve
responsiveness. What is planned for snapshots in this regard?

On 3/1/2019 10:41 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
> Hi thanks, very interesting. Yes you need somebody with an overall
> view to organise stuff, so hope he can cope!
> Programmers can be a difficult bunch to work with as they tend to have
> their own views on a lot of stuff.
> Believe me I know...
>
> I agree about responsiveness but also some of the responsiveness
> elsewhere needs a look. recent threads in the user list on lack of
> reading  infoo with alt/tab or when folders are first opened etc, as
> also in web browsers sometimes has been an intermittent problem for
> some time, so if somebody could look at that it might be nice. I
> suspect the answer  is in an old bit of code from way back which just
> does not see events or pass them on or it gets overwritten by
> something else.
>
>
>
> Do people really come to computers as a blind person not knowing the
> basic keystrokes of Windows though? It has not been my experience
> generally, but often those who have become blinder, over the years who
> were mouse people can be in this category, and I think it does need
> saying in documents that this is an nvda command but this is a windows
> native command and that can make it a lot easier to troubleshoot
> problems folk are having.
>
> No shant be going to the states, sorry!
>
> My brain hurts thinking of it. I used to exhibit at small computer
> shows here in the UK back in the 90s, but I  found the throngs of
> bodies and noise far too distracting, and usually lost my voice by the
> end of the day.
> Anyway thanks again and as I do not want to be grabbed by the talons
> of our new moderator, I'll add the phrase that this is not a
> conversation, merely a reaction to your article.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal E-mail to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen"
> <quentin@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 5:29 AM
> Subject: [nvda] In-Process for 1st March 2019
>
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I've got a bumper issue today!
>>
>> In this week's In-Process: NV Access responds to user feedback, we're a
>> Google Summer of Code mentor organisation, preparations for #csunatc19,
>> news on NVDA 2019.1, our new GM and more!  Plus, a novel to read, what a
>> huge issue of In-Process!
>>
>> Read it here: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-1st-march-2019/
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Quentin.
>> --
>> Quentin Christensen
>> Training and Support Manager
>>
>> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>
>> www.nvaccess.org
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>





--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: backing up thunderbird

Arlene
 

I could have done so. But here is the thing! If I did wait for a cheep usb sound card. I would have gotten it in the middle of March.  I’m taking a food safe class.  I got another extension until the end of March.  The guy at the source store said it would not be worth it.  When he was moving documents from my old computer He discovered that I had 3 or 4 ports burned out!  He tried putting speakers into all my usb ports and he found 3 or 4 of them burned out.  He and the people I live with My room mate and her family said just take the new computer and let the old one go.  I didn’t want to but it was time for it to go! I let the source store recycle the old win 7. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: March 1, 2019 4:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] backing up thunderbird

 

I would suggest getting a cheap perhaps ten or fifteen U.S. dollar sound card and seeing if you can use the old computer with it.  its good to have another computer available and I always have at least two functioning computers available.  I recall you lost sound but that may mean your built-in sound card is no longer working.  All it may need is a USB sound card to get audio back.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Arlene

Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 10:27 PM

Subject: Re: backing up thunderbirdRe: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

 

Hey list! Arlene here; I'm writing to you on this new win ten laptop.
My win 7 box bit the dust! I lost all sound. A sighted person can
operate it.  But I could not. I just got this computer on Tuesday.
One question I want to ask. Can I put Gmail onto Thunderbird? If so,
How can I do it? Thanks! Have a good night!

On 2/28/19, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
> Hi Annette,
>
>
> As far as I can tell, everything is saved. I just updated a day ago and
> when I opened the back up version of Thunderbird on my back up system,
> the address book, the folder structure (I have 17 sub folders under
> Inbox) the layout and even the order of message selection was saved.
>
>
> On 2/28/2019 4:07 PM, Annette Moore wrote:
>>
>> ron, does this save all of your configuration, as well as your
>> messages? I care more about the configuration than about actually
>> keeping any of my messages because it took about an hour for me to get
>> everything I wanted/needed configured to the way I needed it sinceI
>> have three email accounts. I have the instructions saved that Richard
>> Wels gave me, but shoot, if I could back all that up and not have to
>> go through that again with any clean install of thunderbird on a
>> future new computer, that would be great!
>>
>> Annette
>>
>> On 2/28/2019 1:13 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Group,
>>>
>>>
>>> This probably varies from mail program to mail program, but when
>>> using Thunderbird, you can back up almost everything by doing the
>>> following.
>>>
>>>
>>> 1.  Close Thunderbird.
>>>
>>> 2.  From the run dialogue, type %appdata% and press enter.
>>>
>>> 3.  You are in the roaming folder.  This folder contains all the
>>> application data, settings, address book and e-mails from Thunderbird.
>>>
>>> 4.  navigate to the folder named Thunderbird and when highlighted,
>>> press control + C to copy that folder.
>>>
>>> 5.  Then paste this folder onto a thumb drive, external hard drive or
>>> some similar device and you have everything backed up.
>>>
>>> 6.  Now if for some reason, you need a fresh install of Thunderbird
>>> or if you get a new computer and use Thunderbird, you can simply
>>> install Thunderbird and navigate to the Roaming folder as described
>>> in steps 1 through 3 above and paste the contents of the Thunderbird
>>> folder that you have copied into the Roaming folder.
>>>
>>>
>>> I do this every few days to keep the mail and settings of Thunderbird
>>> backed up.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/28/2019 1:14 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
>>>> 100% agreed. Very, very well said, indeed.
>>>>
>>>> Now I definitely would like to know how I can backup my messages. I
>>>> never did it before just because I never knew it was even possible.
>>>> Help me with this, please?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Marcio
>>>> Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon>
>>>>
>>>> Em 28/02/2019 15:09, Travis Siegel escreveu:
>>>>>
>>>>> Wishing something would go away because it doesn't fit your
>>>>> definition of what is useful is just plain silly.
>>>>>
>>>>> If that were the case, then I wish narrator would go away, I whish
>>>>> jaws wold go away, I wish windows would go away.  Hell, I wish
>>>>> microsoft would go away.
>>>>>
>>>>> \See, it serves no purpose.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are people who use pop3, and it works just fine for them.
>>>>> There are definitely use cases where pop3 is a better fit than
>>>>> imap, and there are use cases where imap is clearly the better
>>>>> alternative.  Wishing one or the other would go away is just
>>>>> ignorance talking.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't wish to use it, then don't, but that doesn't mean that
>>>>> others who are fully aware of what they're getting, and do wish to
>>>>> use it shouldn't do so.  I for one much prefer pop3, for several
>>>>> reasons, including disk usage, security, issues, ease of backup,
>>>>> and others.
>>>>>
>>>>> When folks talk about folks loosing years worth of emails because
>>>>> they used pop3, my question is did those folks ever backup their
>>>>> mail? I'm thinking no.  Sure, it's not the easiest thing to move
>>>>> mail from one email client to another, but you're just as likely to
>>>>> loose all your imap messages if your email provider goes bye-bye as
>>>>> well, and nobody here can tell me that's never happened.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's six of one, and half dozen of the other, use what works for
>>>>> you, and allow others to use what works for them.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/28/2019 12:47 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> With my old internet provider, I had a pop 3 account. After I got
>>>>>> to a certain amount of messages, my email started bouncing. I
>>>>>> don't think people are using pop so much anymore but I could be
>>>>>> wrong. I wish pop 3 would go away too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
>>>>>> Of *Sarah k Alawami
>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2019 8:27 AM
>>>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for
>>>>>> Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes you can. I have about 200 thousand messages on gmail's server
>>>>>> and it doesn't really complain at me. You can also clean them up
>>>>>> using iMap as well. I use iMap and wish that pop 3 would just go
>>>>>> away and die. All the email and attachments are backed up in the
>>>>>> cloud and no matter what device as stated you are on you can
>>>>>> always get your mail. I lost over 3 years worth of messages once
>>>>>> so am not going back to pop3.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 28 Feb 2019, at 7:49, Gene wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     I don't use IMAP so others can answer the question.  But I'm
>>>>>>     sure you can delete messages if you wish. As I understand it,
>>>>>>     you can keep a large number on the server if you wish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Gene
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     *From:*marcio via Groups.Io
>>>>>>     <mailto:marcinhorj21@...>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     *Sent:*Thursday, February 28, 2019 9:37 AM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     *Subject:*Re: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed
>>>>>>     for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Em 28/02/2019 12:34, Gene escreveu:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         unless you want a permanent collection of all your
>>>>>>         received messages off site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Does it means that using IMAP I won't be able to delete any
>>>>>>     message?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Marcio
>>>>>>     Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: adding exceptions to the windows firewall in windows 10

 

As an aside, you absolutely, positively should not have to touch Windows Firewall when it comes to Windows Updates, including Feature Updates.

If your system is being cranky about doing a Feature Update, there are multiple ways around that issue.  The same technique that is used to do an "install-over repair upgrade" should be used to do an actual Feature Update on a machine that gets stuck, for whatever reason.  The only difference is that it's not attempting to repair the same version of Windows 10, but to upgrade it to the next version.   Take your pick from the following three sets of instructions, all of which are telling you how to do exactly the same thing:

Doing an In-place "Upgrade" to Reinstall Windows 10 Keeping Apps/Programs and User Files

Non Destructive Repair of Windows 10 - Answers to commonly asked questions

How to: Perform a Repair Upgrade Using the Windows 10 ISO file



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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back