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Re: How to spell out Roman numerals
Janet,
A quick addendum, I don't know how the letter A following a Roman numeral will end up being pronounced, as that's based on the synthesizer, so you may get ah or you may get A. I just can't be sure. I think letters B through Z are more likely to be read as the character itself. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Re: How to spell out Roman numerals
Janet,
Below is the list of 10 regular expressions, followed by what you use for the replacement, that you need to enter in your speech dictionary in the order listed. I emphasize again: in the order listed. This is important because I believe (and am waiting for confirmation) that the speech dictionary (or any dictionary) has its entries processed in order, and on the first match the replacement is passed to the synthesizer and the processing for that "word/character cluster" stops. If you had the entry for Roman numeral one first, it would snag Roman numerals 4, 3, and 2 incorrectly since all of them are composed of a collection of capital Is. In addition, I am going to presume from your example that all of these Roman numeral, with possible optional letter, sequences must have a colon after the last character of the sequence with no space between the two. If there is no colon then the match will not work, and that's by design, as I do not want the pronoun I to be captured as Roman numeral one. If you want the word "Roman" or something else in front of the individual characters of the numeral before they're read out one by one then stick that in front of the first character of the replacement string. I just went for the individual letters making up the numeral, along with the letter following it, if that letter is present. The regular expressions all start with a backslash and end with a question mark. The replacement strings all end with backslash one (the digit 1). When working with the dictionary to add entries, the regular expression goes in the Pattern edit box, the replacement string in the Replacement box, and the Type radio button must be set to regular expression. \s?IIII([a-z])?:\s? I I I I \1
\s?III([a-z])?:\s? I I I \1
\s?II([a-z])?:\s? I I \1
\s?I([a-z])?:\s? I \1
\s?IV([a-z])?:\s? I V \1
\s?VIII([a-z])?:\s? V I I I \1
\s?VII([a-z])?:\s? V I I \1
\s?VI([a-z])?:\s? V I \1
\s?V([a-z])?:\s? V \1
\s?IX([a-z])?:\s? I X \1
\s?X([a-z])?:\s? X \1
-- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Re: How to spell out Roman numerals
Gene
It isn't clear to me after experimenting with the speech dictionary how the whole word setting works. I had originally thought that those who wanted to have something like Roman numerals spoken as standard numbers might need another choice in the speech dictionary. There is now whole word and anywhere as choices. As I thought about it, I thought that whole word should work and that no other option would be necessary. If IV were seen as a whole word and the dictionary spoke 4 when it saw IV with spaces on either side, if you include spaces in the entry, that that would not result in extraneoussspeaking of 4. So another choice in the list of radio buttons, as Ioriginally suggested, wouldn't be needed.
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I experimented with this and iv by itself with spaces in the pattern field and 4 in the pronounced as field doesn't work. IV is still spoken as IV when written in this way. what does NVDA consider a whole word? When I try a word such as alive and use the whole word setting, that works. Perhaps what NVDA sees as a whole word needs to be changed. Since most people won't know how to work with regular expressions, the ability to do this sort of thing using the whole word option might be valuable. Gene
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From: Brian Vogel Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2020 5:01 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] How to spell out Roman numerals On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 04:53 PM, Gene wrote: This could be made much easier,- What could be? Everything you write after this is essentially what I proposed: using the speech dictionary with regular expression matching to very strictly limit what is captured and substituted. One of the beauties of regular expressions is how they can be crafted to catch only what you want. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Re: How to spell out Roman numerals
Janet,
Thanks. I'll post what you need to use a bit later this evening. I will only ask this one time again, are the letters after the numeral limited to a certain set? If not, I'll look for lowercase A through lowercase Z, but if it should only be A through F (or something similar) let me know. That's very easy to tweak. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Re: How to spell out Roman numerals
On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 04:53 PM, Gene wrote:
This could be made much easier,- What could be? Everything you write after this is essentially what I proposed: using the speech dictionary with regular expression matching to very strictly limit what is captured and substituted. One of the beauties of regular expressions is how they can be crafted to catch only what you want. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Re: How to spell out Roman numerals
Janet Brandly
Hi Brian,
Yes, the Roman numerals must be in upper case. Some examples of Roman numerals combined with letters and Arabic numbers are:
â Schatzker III: Depression only of lateral tibial plateau (two types): • Schatzker IIIa: Lateral depression. • Schatzker IIIb: Central depression.
Less often, Roman numerals may also be followed by lower-case letters or Arabic numbers.
Thanks again for your help. Maybe this could benefit others as well.
Janet
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: November 7, 2020 2:50 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] How to spell out Roman numerals
Janet, Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Re: NVDA and Microsoft Office Outlook 2003
Raymond,
Count me among those who say, "Update to Office 2016, 2019, or 365 slightly quicker than you'd planned." You also have the option of changing over to other well-known and well-supported-under-NVDA e-mail clients and office suites. For example, Thunderbird and Libre Office, respectively. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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NVDA and Microsoft Office Outlook 2003
Raymond Brough
Hello
Folks
Approximately 2
months ago I commenced using NVDA, currently version 2020.3. Within a
couple of weeks of this I subscribed to this group and this is my first
post.
I am in the midst of
having the software on my desktop and laptop computers upgraded / changed and,
to spread the learning curve and disruption, have opted to
carry this out in 2
phases.
Firstly, I upgraded
to Windows-10, Firefox and Google chrome, and changed to using NVDA.
Previously I was using Windows-7, Internet Explorer 11 and
JAWS.
Secondly, and
imminent, I will be upgrading to Microsoft 365 from Microsoft Office 2003.
Prior to doing so, there are several tasks I would like to complete.
Unsurprisingly, bearing in mind the age of Microsoft
Office 2003, I am experiencing some difficulties but finding work
arounds for or tolerating the vast majority of
them. However, their is one which is proving extremely
frustrating in respect of Outlook 2003!
When reading back
and forth through an HTML or Plain Text e-mail thread
using the 4 arrow keys, when I read some e-mail addresses in the
second most
recent message in the thread, or messages prior to this, NVDA often stops speaking and
my computer freezes. It appears the only way to get out of this is to
relaunch NVDA:
Windows Key+r nvda
Enter.
After
relaunching NVDA, when I alt+tab, all of the applications /
messages / files etc. I was working with / on are still open. However, when
the message causing the problem is highlighted I have to quickly tap the End Key
or Ctrl+Home to take the cursor away from the e-mail address causing the
problem, otherwise, failure to do this quickly enough
will result in a reoccurrence of NVDA being silenced and the computer
freezing.
When I invoke
continuous read,
NVDA Key+Down
Arrow
the e-mail thread is
read back without a problem!
The problem
occasionally occurs when using Microsoft Office Word 2003. When reading some, not
all, e-mail addresses in a file.
If there is a
solution to the problem I would be pleased to read about it. However, I
suspect I may be advised / told to upgrade to Microsoft Office 365 slightly
quicker than I planned.
I have searched for
a solution in the NVDA manual and on the website, and also carried out
an internet
search. It appears NVDA will support elements of Microsoft Office from
version 2010 to 365.
I look forward to
your replies. In anticipation, many thanks.
Raymond Brough -
slowly shedding his dinosaur clothes
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Re: How to spell out Roman numerals
Gene
This could be made much easier, and possibly adding this ability would be useful to others in different contexts.
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You can now tell the dictionary to recognize the item anywhere, whole word, or regular expression. There should be an option for something like only exactly as written. In other words, if I wrote a Roman Numeral, placed a space before and after it, and made it case sensative, that would minimize the number of times it would be recognized by the dictionary. The system wouldn't be perfect. You would have to not have the letter capital I alone recognized as something to be spoken as a numeral. But the listener could know without any trouble when it is meant as a Roman numeral. I don't think there would be any other such cases. It may be that adding the exactly as written only option wouldn't help many users, perhaps it would require too much work to implement to be justified, given all the other things developers might work on and the time versus benefit ratio. But perhaps this would be easy and would benefit many people. Maybe it would benefit people in other contexts than just Roman numerals that I don't know about. Whatever the case, this might be something worth discussing. Gene
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From: Brian Vogel Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2020 3:14 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] How to spell out Roman numerals Janet, Just to be crystal clear, we're talking the following Roman numerals, which I will put spaces between each character for the purposes of this post so that they get read character by character: I one I I two I I I three I V four V five V I six V I I seven V I I I eight I X nine X ten You don't want or need something like X V I read for sixteen? It's very easy to come up with a couple of short regular expressions that can handle the Roman numerals for the numbers one through ten. It's a lot more difficult if you wanted it to handle any Roman numeral, e.g, 2020 written out as M M X X, or 1959 as M C M L I X If all you want is one through 10 I'll toss together the regexes and replacement strings and post them for you to add to your speech dictionary. I will also presume that any of these Roman numerals will have a preceding space and space after unless they are located as the start of a line or end of a line. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Re: How to spell out Roman numerals
Janet,
I believe I understand what you're saying about the character afterward, but would you mind tossing out a couple of examples. Particularly, if the character(s) that can come after the Roman numeral are limited to a select few. Also, can the Roman numerals be either upper case or lower case letters for the numeral, or strictly one or the other? -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Re: How to spell out Roman numerals
Janet Brandly
Hi again Brian,
That’s right, these are the only Roman numerals I need NVDA to speak. There would always be a space preceding the numeral; however, occasionally (perhaps 5 to 10% of the time) there would either be a letter or Arabic number directly after the Roman numeral, without a space. I am using these numbers/numerals for things like fracture and cancer staging/grading.
Thanks so much for your help,
Janet
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: November 7, 2020 2:15 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] How to spell out Roman numerals
Janet, Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Re: How to spell out Roman numerals
Janet,
Just to be crystal clear, we're talking the following Roman numerals, which I will put spaces between each character for the purposes of this post so that they get read character by character: I one I I two I I I three I V four V five V I six V I I seven V I I I eight I X nine X ten You don't want or need something like X V I read for sixteen? It's very easy to come up with a couple of short regular expressions that can handle the Roman numerals for the numbers one through ten. It's a lot more difficult if you wanted it to handle any Roman numeral, e.g, 2020 written out as M M X X, or 1959 as M C M L I X If all you want is one through 10 I'll toss together the regexes and replacement strings and post them for you to add to your speech dictionary. I will also presume that any of these Roman numerals will have a preceding space and space after unless they are located as the start of a line or end of a line. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Re: How to spell out Roman numerals
Janet Brandly
Hello Brian and all,
I would just need NVDA to spell out Roman numerals for Arabic numbers 1 through 10.
Thanks,
Janet \
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: November 6, 2020 6:07 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] How to spell out Roman numerals
Janet, Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Re: New Video: NVDA in Russia
CARLOS-ESTEBAN <carlosestebanpianista@...>
Hi all. Tony, this link work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITIWKgoI2Dw&feature=emb_title Regards.
Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías. Músico (pianista) y ayuda a usuarios ciegos y con discapacidad visual, con el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología. Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.
Musician (pianist) and also help to the blind people with the use of screen readers and technology. Certified expert in the screen reader NVDA.
De: Tony Malykh
The video doesn't seem to be available. When I clicked on the link, it says: This video has been removed by the uploader
On 11/5/2020 2:07 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
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Re: New Video: NVDA in Russia
Tony Malykh
The video doesn't seem to be available. When I clicked on the
link, it says: This video has been removed by the uploader
On 11/5/2020 2:07 AM, Quentin
Christensen wrote:
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Re: character count countdown with edit box
On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 12:45 PM, Gene wrote:
many users or those it affects who might submit one don't know what the problem is and so don't create a ticket.- Which is often the case. And one that I hope, over time, with encouragement from the membership here, and leading by example, will change. I don't want to see the folks at NVAccess be flooded with repeat bug reports or feature requests, so not only does careful thought need to go into why you believe you have a bug and how you need to report it, or how to carefully word a feature request, but also one must search first to see if it doesn't already exist, in which case you'd just add a comment to the existing one. Bug reports are relatively rare, and you have to make sure you have the steps down such that the developers can reproduce the issue before filing one. But NVDA users are blessed by the fact that they do have a direct line to the developers via GitHub. That is an unbelievably valuable, and rare, asset and communication channel. It shouldn't be used frivolously (for lack of a better way of putting it right now) but nor should it be avoided when you can be giving valuable feedback not only for yourself but for the user community as a whole. I only wish such existed for most of the software I've ever used, but it doesn't. Microsoft has stepped somewhat closer with the Feedback Hub, but even that's at several levels of removal from the actual development teams. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Re: character count countdown with edit box
Gene
I may create a ticket. I'm a bit surprised that it has never been brought up. Maybe it doesn't affect that many users or those it affects who might submit one don't know what the problem is and so don't create a ticket.
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Gene
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From: Brian Vogel Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2020 11:03 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] character count countdown with edit box On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 11:42 AM, Gene wrote: NVDA doesn't have a turn off aria alerts setting. it should.- And there does not, at least from my search results on ARIA and a couple of other search terms, appear to be a suggestion/feature request for this in GitHub. There's lots of stuff involving ARIA, going back a number of years, but nothing suggesting a toggle for ARIA alerts. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Re: character count countdown with edit box
On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 11:42 AM, Gene wrote:
NVDA doesn't have a turn off aria alerts setting. it should.- And there does not, at least from my search results on ARIA and a couple of other search terms, appear to be a suggestion/feature request for this in GitHub. There's lots of stuff involving ARIA, going back a number of years, but nothing suggesting a toggle for ARIA alerts. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Re: character count countdown with edit box
Gene
NVDA doesn't have a turn off aria alerts setting. it should. If a site is programmed incorrectly, aria speecch can be very disruptive.
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Gene
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From: Sean Randall Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2020 10:30 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] character count countdown with edit box I think this sort of announcement is triggered by ARIA alerts and I’m not aware of a way to stop NVDA reading those as a matter of course. Some websites really abuse alerts, perhaps with developers not understanding the purpose of the feature. I’d love an addon that allowed you to mark specific web-page elements to alert or not as the user wanted on-the-fly, there are probably more sites who don’t use ARIA at all than overuse it, but both cases are frustrating. S. From: Gene Sent: 07 November 2020 1:21 22 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] character count countdown with edit box I've never seen the dynamic content setting affect what is read in browse mode. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Brian Vogel Sent: Friday, November 06, 2020 5:33 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] character count countdown with edit box Could this be in any way related to whether you have the "dynamic content" setting on? NVDA+N,P,S, then the "Object Presentation" pane, checkbox for Report dynamic content changes? (Default is ON/checked) -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn Save a tree...please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. Confidentiality Notice This message and any attachments are private and confidential and may be subject to legal privilege and copyright. If you are not the intended recipient please do not publish or copy it to anyone else. If you have received this message in error please notify the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your email software and then remove it from your system. Data Protection We comply with data protection legislation, including the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR), and take the security and privacy of personal data very seriously. If you no longer wish to receive emails from us please forward this email (so we can see who it was sent to you by) to dpo@ncw.co.uk with your request, and we will review our information in line with your wishes. Disclaimer Although this email and attachments have been scanned for viruses, New College Worcester accepts no liability for any loss or damage arising from the receipt or use of this communication.
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Re: Looking for forums or mailing list for visually impaired gamers
This is absolutely a Chat Subgroup class of topic. I hope the single recommendation will prove to be sufficient, but if not, start the topic again in the Chat Subgroup.
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