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Re: Threaded emails view in Outlook

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I think I've had to so that too.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Governor staten
Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 10:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Threaded emails view in Outlook

While we're at it, I press enter on an email in Outlook, and it doesn't immediately open. I have to press enter twice.




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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh
Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 12:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Threaded emails view in Outlook

Hello all and especially Brian Vogel,
I was trying to use Outlook with Threaded list of emails view. Brian Vogel gave me advice that I should navigate through this list using
Control+Up and Down arrows to prevent the threads from autoexpanding.
That works at first glance, but here is the problem I ran into. Supposed I am initially at the very first email in the list. I press Control+Down a few times until I find the right email that I want to open. Suppose that's just a single email, not a thread. However, when I press Enter on it, Outlook would open the very first email in the list, not the one that I selected using Control+Down arrow. It feels like there are two types of cursors there and Control+Down is moving the wrong type. So how to open the right email? Is there perhaps a keystroke to sync these two cursors?

I was trying to do it naive way - Once I'm on the right email with
Control+Down, I would try to press up and then down, but then again,
because the threads are autoexpanding on me, pressing up and then down doesn't necessarily bring you to the same email. Do you have any other suggestions?

Thanks
Tony


Re: Threaded emails view in Outlook

 

While we're at it, I press enter on an email in Outlook, and it doesn't immediately open. I have to press enter twice.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh
Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 12:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Threaded emails view in Outlook

Hello all and especially Brian Vogel,
I was trying to use Outlook with Threaded list of emails view. Brian Vogel gave me advice that I should navigate through this list using
Control+Up and Down arrows to prevent the threads from autoexpanding.
That works at first glance, but here is the problem I ran into. Supposed I am initially at the very first email in the list. I press Control+Down a few times until I find the right email that I want to open. Suppose that's just a single email, not a thread. However, when I press Enter on it, Outlook would open the very first email in the list, not the one that I selected using Control+Down arrow. It feels like there are two types of cursors there and Control+Down is moving the wrong type. So how to open the right email? Is there perhaps a keystroke to sync these two cursors?

I was trying to do it naive way - Once I'm on the right email with
Control+Down, I would try to press up and then down, but then again,
because the threads are autoexpanding on me, pressing up and then down doesn't necessarily bring you to the same email. Do you have any other suggestions?

Thanks
Tony


Re: Threaded emails view in Outlook

Rui Fontes
 

Have you tried to press spacebar to select the message?

Rui Fontes


Às 17:48 de 09/03/2019, Tony Malykh escreveu:

Hello all and especially Brian Vogel,
I was trying to use Outlook with Threaded list of emails view. Brian Vogel gave me advice that I should navigate through this list using Control+Up and Down arrows to prevent the threads from autoexpanding.
That works at first glance, but here is the problem I ran into. Supposed I am initially at the very first email in the list. I press Control+Down a few times until I find the right email that I want to open. Suppose that's just a single email, not a thread. However, when I press Enter on it, Outlook would open the very first email in the list, not the one that I selected using Control+Down arrow. It feels like there are two types of cursors there and Control+Down is moving the wrong type. So how to open the right email? Is there perhaps a keystroke to sync these two cursors?
I was trying to do it naive way - Once I'm on the right email with Control+Down, I would try to press up and then down, but then again, because the threads are autoexpanding on me, pressing up and then down doesn't necessarily bring you to the same email. Do you have any other suggestions?
Thanks
Tony


Threaded emails view in Outlook

Tony Malykh
 

Hello all and especially Brian Vogel,
I was trying to use Outlook with Threaded list of emails view. Brian Vogel gave me advice that I should navigate through this list using Control+Up and Down arrows to prevent the threads from autoexpanding.
That works at first glance, but here is the problem I ran into. Supposed I am initially at the very first email in the list. I press Control+Down a few times until I find the right email that I want to open. Suppose that's just a single email, not a thread. However, when I press Enter on it, Outlook would open the very first email in the list, not the one that I selected using Control+Down arrow. It feels like there are two types of cursors there and Control+Down is moving the wrong type. So how to open the right email? Is there perhaps a keystroke to sync these two cursors?

I was trying to do it naive way - Once I'm on the right email with Control+Down, I would try to press up and then down, but then again, because the threads are autoexpanding on me, pressing up and then down doesn't necessarily bring you to the same email. Do you have any other suggestions?

Thanks
Tony


Zoomtext and nvda

ADRIAN POCOCK
 

Hi all

Does anybody have experience with Zoomtext 11.

From promo video it mentioned the control key being caps lock, same as nvda.

Would this conflict with nvda.  I would like to know before spending a lot of money on it.

It might be better to respond off list here ampbeast@...

Regards Adrian


Re: Converting epub to pdf

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Just for reference, an epub file is just a normal zip file with html files inside.  All you need to do to read it is unzip it into the directory of your choice, then locate the html files inside the directory structure, and simply open them with your browser. In my personal opinion, that's way easier than the shoddy support that pdf files have on the pc.

Of course, this won't work with DRM protected epubs, but otherwise, it works like a charm, and this is the way I read all of my epub books.

Mostly because I haven't found a decent epub reader, but even if I did, I'd probably keep using this format anyhow, just because it's what I'm used to.

On 3/8/2019 9:15 AM, ADRIAN POCOCK wrote:

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Re: Latex with NVDA

Mallard
 

Thanks. I hadn't thought of joining the chat subgroup, but maybe I will, if need be.

Il 09/03/2019 17:03, Sarah k Alawami ha scritto:

Yes it is. And you can learn ore about it at the chat sub group. I think the mod of that group posted a link to some materials in the archive there. I have to look again.

Take care

On 9 Mar 2019, at 2:21, Mallard wrote:

Hello all,


I would like to start learning Latex, and Ihave a couple of questions.


1. Is it usable with NVDA?


2. Can anyone recommend a good manual for learning from scratch?


Thanks in advance, ciao,

Ollie



Re: NVDA questions

Claire Potter <claire.potter99@...>
 

Hi Teri, I can't answer your first question unfortunately, but for your second one, the answer is yes. You can run Eloquence on NVDA portable, just make sure that when you're making the portable copy you check the box to copy user configurations, that's what I do and it works for me.

Claire Potter
Potter's place, where technology comes to life!
www.pottersplace.me.uk
NVDA Certified Expert 2019. 


On 9 Mar 2019, at 06:13, Teri McElroy <shimzin.lists@...> wrote:

Hi

I've just joined the list and am hoping someone can help with a couple of questions.

Later this year I'm studying a course where I need to be able to read phonetic/phonemic symbols.

Does anyone know if it is possible to alter NVDA in the same way as I have been able to do for Jaws? I want to be able to have NVDA speak back phonetic/phonemic symbols to me and name them correctly. This is specific to linguistic studies, and does not refer to the words such as "charley" or "delta" NVDA uses to clarify which letter is being announced.

It would also be helpful if I could have NVDA display these symbols in braille with my braille display.

I have a list of unicode symbols and what they mean. Is there a way I can  add the list of symbols to my selected speech engine so NVDA will announce the symbols correctly, and to the braille tables as well?

Also, if I run NVDA portable, can I still use Eloquence as my prefered speech engine?

Part of the course has a teaching component and I need to use the computer in the classroom at Tech. It would make things much easier if I could use portable NVDA on a thumb drive with Eloquence.

Thanks for any help with this.


Teri





Re: Latex with NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yes it is. And you can learn ore about it at the chat sub group. I think the mod of that group posted a link to some materials in the archive there. I have to look again.

Take care

On 9 Mar 2019, at 2:21, Mallard wrote:

Hello all,


I would like to start learning Latex, and Ihave a couple of questions.


1. Is it usable with NVDA?


2. Can anyone recommend a good manual for learning from scratch?


Thanks in advance, ciao,

Ollie



Re: Ad blocker for NVDA and Firefox?

 

One word of caution on using Golden Cursor for web browser add-on control buttons:  you have to remember that their positions will shift if you add or remove add-ons.

Since I do this very, very infrequently (at least for add-ons that add control buttons to the browser's bar) things tend to stay in the same place for very long periods of time.
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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

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Re: Ad blocker for NVDA and Firefox?

 

On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 03:41 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
What is needed is an ad blocker with a hot key toggle that can be disabled and re enabled at will, including the refresh required to get that page back.
Then you would be well advised to contact the developer of your favorite ad-blocker asking for same.  Over the years that's how a number of features came to be.

As a side note to JM, it is appropriate to describe the on/off button for uBlock Origin as looking like a power button, because it does.  He uses a huge version of the graphic (relatively speaking) for the button to toggle uBlock Origin off.  Clicked on it alone you get uBlock Origin disabled for the site itself that you're visiting.  If you CTRL+click it then it's disabled only for the page you're viewing.  Disabling uBlock Origin for a specific site or page "sticks" unless you reenable it.  It will still be disabled on later visits unless it's reenabled.

For those using NVDA and Firefox, if you have frequent need to toggle uBlock Origin off and on it's an almost perfect function to use Golden Cursor for, as you can get yourself to the button positions "instantly" rather than having to use object navigation repeatedly to find them.
 
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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


NVDA questions

Teri McElroy
 

Hi

I've just joined the list and am hoping someone can help with a couple of questions.

Later this year I'm studying a course where I need to be able to read phonetic/phonemic symbols.

Does anyone know if it is possible to alter NVDA in the same way as I have been able to do for Jaws? I want to be able to have NVDA speak back phonetic/phonemic symbols to me and name them correctly. This is specific to linguistic studies, and does not refer to the words such as "charley" or "delta" NVDA uses to clarify which letter is being announced.

It would also be helpful if I could have NVDA display these symbols in braille with my braille display.

I have a list of unicode symbols and what they mean. Is there a way I can  add the list of symbols to my selected speech engine so NVDA will announce the symbols correctly, and to the braille tables as well?

Also, if I run NVDA portable, can I still use Eloquence as my prefered speech engine?

Part of the course has a teaching component and I need to use the computer in the classroom at Tech. It would make things much easier if I could use portable NVDA on a thumb drive with Eloquence.

Thanks for any help with this.


Teri


Re: Latex with NVDA

Mallard
 

Thanks. I should make it, also with a little help from my son, although he's in England now...

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 09/03/2019 15:11, Jason White via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Try reading http://latex.silmaril.ie/formattinginformation/index.html
As a starting point. I also wrote my Ph.D. thesis using LaTeX, and I've written other documents with it before and since then.

On 3/9/19, 05:21, "Mallard" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of mallard@...> wrote:

Hello all,


I would like to start learning Latex, and Ihave a couple of questions.


1. Is it usable with NVDA?


2. Can anyone recommend a good manual for learning from scratch?


Thanks in advance, ciao,

Ollie










Re: Latex with NVDA

Jason White
 

Try reading http://latex.silmaril.ie/formattinginformation/index.html
As a starting point. I also wrote my Ph.D. thesis using LaTeX, and I've written other documents with it before and since then.

On 3/9/19, 05:21, "Mallard" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of mallard@...> wrote:

Hello all,


I would like to start learning Latex, and Ihave a couple of questions.


1. Is it usable with NVDA?


2. Can anyone recommend a good manual for learning from scratch?


Thanks in advance, ciao,

Ollie


Re: nvda on and off short cut.

DAVID <davidlacaille2@...>
 

Hi someone told me what to do on the list so thanks.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, 09 March 2019 09:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda on and off short cut.

 

What do you mean by turn on and off.  Do you mean stop and start speech while the program continues to run?  Do you mean put the program to sleep so it isn't running while you are using a specific application or do you mean unload NVDA and then run it again when you want to run the program?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: DAVID

Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2019 5:46 AM

Subject: [nvda] nvda on and off short cut.

 

Hi all.

Can someone tell me what is the shortcut to turn on and off nvda from the computer?

 


Re: Using NVDA Remote.

Blaster
 

I copied these instructions and saved them, but forgot to note who
wrote them. Anyway, they did a great job explaining the process, so
here it is.

HTH,
Blaster

The Following is the process for setting up a NVDA remote session.
First, take jaws out of the equasion. Both you and the other party
need to have NVdA installed. You also need the NVDA remote add-on.
To establish a remote connection, your helper will need to do the following.


1. Go to the NVDA menu and arrow down to tools.

Expand the tools submenu with the right arrow key,
then arrow down to remote.

Expand the remote submenu with the right arrow key.

The first option will be connect.
Press enter. You will land on 2 radio buttons that say client and server.

Choose client which is the first button.

Tab once and you will land on another radio button with 2 choices,
control another computer, and allow my computer to be controlled.

Your helper will choose the button, control another computer.

Tab once and enter the NVDA remote server. It is:

www.nvdaremote.com

Tab once more. You will be in a field that asks you for a key.

You can either choose your own or have the system generate one for you.

I usually just choose a simple 4 digit key. Next, tab to the ok button.

Now what you have to do is pretty much the same,

except when you get to the radio buttons that say, control another
computer, or allow my computer to be controlled, arrow down to the
second button.

Then tab and type in the remote server name:

www.nvdaremote.com

Tab once and enter the same key that your helper chose.

Tab to the ok button and press enter.

You should hear a tone and you should be connected.

Your helper can toggle between controlling their computer and yours
with the f11 key.

I hope this helps, kind of a long winded explanation but I wanted to
get all the steps down.

On 3/9/19, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi.
nvda remote is only my beloved addon in nvda that i use.
you can read its documentation hear.

https://nvdaremote.com/docs

On 3/9/19, George Zaynoun <humorlessgeza@...> wrote:
Hello, would like to learn how to use NVDA Remote, I have this addon
but don't know how to use it, when to be client and when to be server
etc, please help with step-by-step instructions; thanks.

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Tel: +46 (500) 48 29 29 Mobile: +46 (70) 366 63 29




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I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
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Re: nvda on and off short cut.

DAVID <davidlacaille2@...>
 

Hi and how do you do that.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, 09 March 2019 08:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda on and off short cut.

Unless you just want to suppress speaking of course, which still leaves the
program running, just not talking.
Another way if you want to stop it for specific programs is to use a
profile and turn the speech off when that program is running. Of course if
it accesses, say Explorer it will start to speak when it does so, this can
be handy or a menace depending on what you are trying to achieve.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "DAVID" <davidlacaille2@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2019 11:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] nvda on and off short cut.


Hi all.

Can someone tell me what is the shortcut to turn on and off nvda from the
computer?







Re: nvda on and off short cut.

DAVID <davidlacaille2@...>
 

Hi thanks got it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Saturday, 09 March 2019 07:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda on and off short cut.

hi.
altControlN for restarting nvda and nvdaQ for turning off.

On 3/9/19, DAVID <davidlacaille2@...> wrote:
Hi all.

Can someone tell me what is the shortcut to turn on and off nvda from the
computer?







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Alex voice from the mac with NVDA?

Ian Blackburn
 

I don’t know how you’d run the Apple voice running a Boot Camp version of Windows that is using the Alex voice for your window screen reader
Are use both operating system is Windows and Apple and they are quite different to each other
And the screen readers are different as well


On 9 Mar 2019, at 9:10 pm, ADRIAN POCOCK <ampbeast@...> wrote:

Hi Brian

I have never used mac, i thought apples voice system was meant to be good.  When running windows from it wouldn't apples system work.

This is an assumption, correct me if this is wrong.

I was thinking of moving to the mac system myself you see.

Regards Adrian.

On 09/03/2019 09:04, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.I wrote:
I do not think so. If there is its a paid for one as the voice is copyrighted and hacking it to run would, shall we say be a little suspect legally without written consent from Apple.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Turner" <meturner2214@...>
To: "NVDA" <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 9:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] Alex voice from the mac with NVDA?


Hi folks.

I have a mac mini, and am running windows on it viea bootcamp.

I thought I remember a addon that would let you use the alex voice with NVDA?

I no there was 1 that only worked when there were certon words, but I think this one works using something with the command line, although I could be wrong.









Re: nvda on and off short cut.

Gene
 

What do you mean by turn on and off.  Do you mean stop and start speech while the program continues to run?  Do you mean put the program to sleep so it isn't running while you are using a specific application or do you mean unload NVDA and then run it again when you want to run the program?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: DAVID
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2019 5:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] nvda on and off short cut.

Hi all.

Can someone tell me what is the shortcut to turn on and off nvda from the computer?