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Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

 

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 06:25 PM, Hareth wrote:
BTW there is an android app does let us use NVDA remote as well.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=im.vortex.narwall&hl=en&gl=US
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I'd have the same question for this, too.

But I give the developer of this credit for being very conservative (and appropriate) with the permissions this Android app requests.  The list appears to be strictly what would be necessary for the back-and-forth between the devices.
 
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Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

 

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 06:20 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I believe someone already got something working according to the applevis website.
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Sarah, I'm more than willing to take your word on this, as I shan't be joining another online venue at this point.

But even if that's so, I'd still be asking the question I set out at the beginning:  What need is this intended to address?

Even those who develop open-source software "just for fun" tend to have started out because something they either wanted or needed did not exist.  It had to be created.
 
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Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

Hareth
 

The answer really depends on the user need with remotely using the PC,
the developer might answer for his own reason which maybe has nothing
with mine or yours.
Check the play store reviews for team viewer you'd find many reasons
for why tens of millions using that app to remotely controlling their
PC's using android phones.
BTW there is an android app does let us use NVDA remote as well.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=im.vortex.narwall&hl=en&gl=US

On 5/27/21, William James <wil@wilanddenise.com> wrote:
You are posing some very good questions on this topic. I hope the developer
of this app will step in and clarify his/her position on why they developed
this app.



One thing I can definitely say: The possibilities are endless! Where
there’s a will, there’s a way. No pun intended.





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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)



On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 05:53 PM, William James wrote:

A totally blind person could remote in using a Bluetooth keyboard with the
iDevice and troubleshoot the issue.
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The question then becomes: How likely is such a scenario? Even more
important: How likely is it that anyone who would be willing and able to
work with NVDA Remote will not have the native PC platform to do it with?

As I said, though, I have no skin in this game. I'm just trying to
understand the rationale. Software in general is a major investment in time
and money, and as a result it usually doesn't get developed unless there is
an identified need first.
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Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

Sarah k Alawami
 

I believe someone already got something working according to the applevis website. I can’t find the article just now, but a quick search on their forums should do the trick.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 2:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

 

This is a serious question, and not meant to be taken as snarky:  What need is this addressing?

Since NVDA (and JAWS, for that matter) are PC platform only software, I can't imagine what the benefit of trying to control it from the iOS platform would be.  I can't even figure out what the UI for NVDA Remote under iOS would be.

Since there seems to be enthusiasm, I ask those who have it to enlighten me.
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

 

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 06:12 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
I am not a iOS user.
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And?  How does this relate to what you quoted, or anything so far in this topic?  It feels like something's missing.

I'm not an iOS user, either.  And while I have little doubt that there are a great many iPhone and/or iPad (thus, iOS) users who also use NVDA, I doubt that most ever think of those spheres at the same time.  That's why I find this whole development odd, to say the least.
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Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

Rui Fontes
 

I am not a iOS user.


Rui Fontes


Às 22:39 de 27/05/2021, William James escreveu:

Got you covered!

NVDA Remote for iOS Being Developed

You're encouraged to test this:

https://testflight.apple.com/join/oEUkUTMd

 

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From: Crayton Benner via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 3:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDARemote

 

I saw that link on twitter yesterday. I should have posted it. 



On Wednesday, May 26, 2021, 15:19, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Well since we are on the subject of nvda remote, I don't have the link here but according to various twitter feeds and other groups, there is an ios server or client for nvda remote in test phase.

 


Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

William James
 

You are posing some very good questions on this topic.  I hope the developer of this app will step in and clarify his/her position on why they developed this app.

 

One thing I can definitely say: The possibilities are endless!  Where there’s a will, there’s a way.  No pun intended.

 

 

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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 6:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

 

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 05:53 PM, William James wrote:

A totally blind person could remote in using a Bluetooth keyboard with the iDevice and troubleshoot the issue.

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The question then becomes:  How likely is such a scenario?  Even more important:  How likely is it that anyone who would be willing and able to work with NVDA Remote will not have the native PC platform to do it with?

As I said, though, I have no skin in this game.  I'm just trying to understand the rationale.  Software in general is a major investment in time and money, and as a result it usually doesn't get developed unless there is an identified need first.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 

 


Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

 

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 05:53 PM, William James wrote:
A totally blind person could remote in using a Bluetooth keyboard with the iDevice and troubleshoot the issue.
-
The question then becomes:  How likely is such a scenario?  Even more important:  How likely is it that anyone who would be willing and able to work with NVDA Remote will not have the native PC platform to do it with?

As I said, though, I have no skin in this game.  I'm just trying to understand the rationale.  Software in general is a major investment in time and money, and as a result it usually doesn't get developed unless there is an identified need first.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

Crayton Benner <craybay3198@...>
 

Yes. That's a good use for that. 




On Thursday, May 27, 2021, 17:53, William James <wil@...> wrote:

One case I can think of right off the bat is tech support.  Let’s say someone has a computer that is not responding or they have a setting that got tweaked.  A totally blind person could remote in using a Bluetooth keyboard with the iDevice and troubleshoot the issue.

 

I’m sure more folks will have better explanations than mine.

 

 

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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 5:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

 

This is a serious question, and not meant to be taken as snarky:  What need is this addressing?

Since NVDA (and JAWS, for that matter) are PC platform only software, I can't imagine what the benefit of trying to control it from the iOS platform would be.  I can't even figure out what the UI for NVDA Remote under iOS would be.

Since there seems to be enthusiasm, I ask those who have it to enlighten me.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 

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Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

William James
 

One case I can think of right off the bat is tech support.  Let’s say someone has a computer that is not responding or they have a setting that got tweaked.  A totally blind person could remote in using a Bluetooth keyboard with the iDevice and troubleshoot the issue.

 

I’m sure more folks will have better explanations than mine.

 

 

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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 5:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

 

This is a serious question, and not meant to be taken as snarky:  What need is this addressing?

Since NVDA (and JAWS, for that matter) are PC platform only software, I can't imagine what the benefit of trying to control it from the iOS platform would be.  I can't even figure out what the UI for NVDA Remote under iOS would be.

Since there seems to be enthusiasm, I ask those who have it to enlighten me.
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Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

 

This is a serious question, and not meant to be taken as snarky:  What need is this addressing?

Since NVDA (and JAWS, for that matter) are PC platform only software, I can't imagine what the benefit of trying to control it from the iOS platform would be.  I can't even figure out what the UI for NVDA Remote under iOS would be.

Since there seems to be enthusiasm, I ask those who have it to enlighten me.
--

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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

William James
 

Got you covered!

NVDA Remote for iOS Being Developed

You're encouraged to test this:

https://testflight.apple.com/join/oEUkUTMd

 

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From: Crayton Benner via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 3:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDARemote

 

I saw that link on twitter yesterday. I should have posted it. 



On Wednesday, May 26, 2021, 15:19, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Well since we are on the subject of nvda remote, I don't have the link here but according to various twitter feeds and other groups, there is an ios server or client for nvda remote in test phase.

 


Re: NVDARemote

William James
 

So, will this puppy work with the new Remote for NVDA for iOS mentioned in Tidbits?

 

 

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From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 7:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDARemote

 

Hello!

 

I have adapted it for my personal use...

 

If someone wants to try it, at your sole responsability:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/i0702l1t3ogbjjh/remote_2.3_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=0

 

Rui Fontes

 

 

Às 19:40 de 26/05/2021, Jim Noseworthy escreveu:

Hi Folks:

 

Is there a remote ad-on available for the new NVDA beta?

 

Thanks all over the place.

 

 

 


What is the major change in the beta

Don H
 

I understood that switching to python 3 was a major change for NVDA. So my Question now is what has caused the major change in Nvda to cause issues with addons and such?


locked Re: Question about SAPI 4 version of eloquence

Gene
 

It may be a remnant of an old Openbook but it is nothing to worry about.  If IBM had cared if Via Voice was used with other programs on your machine after you purchased it along with a program, they would have restricted its use as Vispero restricts its version of Eloquence to only its programs.  Since IBM could have done this for all the years it used Via Voice and didn’t, I consider that as meaning that they didn’t care if it was used with other programs.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 2:01 PM
Subject: [nvda] Question about SAPI 4 version of eloquence
 
Hi.  I use a combination of JAWS, OpenBook, and NVDA, so I have a fully-licenced copy of Eloquence.  The interesting thing is that what sounds like a combination of Eloquence and IBM Viavoice (depending on which voice you select) is listed as “SAPI 4” in the NVDA list of synthesizers.  The only thing I can think of regarding what sounds like the Viavoice synthesizer is that it might be a remnant from an older version of OpenBook.  Given the recent discussion about using software, I want to make sure I’m not doing anything wrong.
 
Thanks,
 
Louise


locked Question about SAPI 4 version of eloquence

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  I use a combination of JAWS, OpenBook, and NVDA, so I have a fully-licenced copy of Eloquence.  The interesting thing is that what sounds like a combination of Eloquence and IBM Viavoice (depending on which voice you select) is listed as “SAPI 4” in the NVDA list of synthesizers.  The only thing I can think of regarding what sounds like the Viavoice synthesizer is that it might be a remnant from an older version of OpenBook.  Given the recent discussion about using software, I want to make sure I’m not doing anything wrong.
 
Thanks,
 
Louise


Re: NVDA 2021.1 beta and Code Factory Voices

 

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 11:46 AM, zvonimir stanečić, 9a5dsz wrote:
The moderator, Brian Vogel just said.
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And will repeat:  Any discussion of hacked/cracked or otherwise illegal software is forbidden here.

If someone posts something that "is sketchy," even if they were not themselves aware that it is/was sketchy, there is no problem with another member who knows it to be so or suspects it to be so from raising the issue.  Those raising the issue should also do the group owner the courtesy of sending a message about this, as neither I nor Nimer are constantly in front of our respective keyboards and the situations need to be addressed and resolved.

In the case of this topic, had I not been reading it myself, I would have had no inkling of what had recently transpired.  At this point the matter is being addressed and, if indicated, the archive will be purged of any links to illegal software.

Software piracy is theft.  Encouraging software piracy can get groups shut down, as it should.
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Re: NVDA 2021.1 beta and Code Factory Voices

zvonimir stanečić, 9a5dsz
 

The moderator, Brian Vogel just said.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 5:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.1 beta and Code Factory Voices

 

We’ll see what the moderator or owner say.  I am not at all sure this is a moderation message. 

 

Gene

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Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 10:17 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.1 beta and Code Factory Voices

 

No offense but since when did you become a moderator?

 

 

On 5/27/2021 8:12 AM, zvonimir stanečić, 9a5dsz wrote:

Why you are posting the sources of illegal software here?

It's not for this list!

Best,

Zvonimir

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Amir
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 5:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.1 beta and Code Factory Voices

 


You are welcome, Chris.
The add-on itself is perfectly legal as it doesn't ship with the required library or libraries. Adding the required files doesn't entail any cracking whatsoever. In fact, if you happen to use JAWS or the SAPI 4 release of Eloquence which ships with the Kurzweil 1000, you already have the needed files. However, the following add-on does indeed ship the required library, eliminating the need to make further modifications. Just check here: https://github.com/pumper42nickel/eloquence_threshold
HTH.


Re: NVDA 2021.1 beta and Code Factory Voices

Rui Fontes
 

Because one was developed for IBM and the other for their own use...

Don't know the details of the contract between IBM and ETI...


Rui Fontes


Às 16:35 de 27/05/2021, Gene escreveu:

If they both were developed by the same organization or company, why are they separate products?
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.1 beta and Code Factory Voices
 

Sorry, but IBM ViaVoice and Eloquence were both developed by Eloquent Technology Inc, there the ETI...

Later Eloquent Technology becomes SpeechWorks Technology and lately Nuance...

 

Rui Fontes

 

Às 15:58 de 27/05/2021, Gene escreveu:
the link has the name IBM in it.  That makes me suspicious that this is Via Voice, not Eloquence.  Via Voice sounds like Eloquence and, in my experience, is indistinguishable in sound and performance to Eloquence.  But to keep things accurate, Via Voice was developed by IBM and Eloquence wasn’t.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Amir
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.1 beta and Code Factory Voices
 
Chris, Eloquence all the way! However, IMO, there's really no need to pay for the SAPI version as it's relatively limited in some ways. I suggest the following feature-rich and up-to-date free add-on: https://github.com/ultrasound1372/NVDA-IBMTTS-Driver
If you add the required library to it (I mean the stuff which can't ship with the add-on), you'll have an awesome-sounding Eloquence/IBMTTS engine for NVDA. Then combine it with the following and no engine can match its unrivaled pronunciations: https://github.com/thunderdrop/IBMTTSDictionaries

Best,
Amir


Re: NVDA 2021.1 beta and Code Factory Voices

Gene
 

We’ll see what the moderator or owner say.  I am not at all sure this is a moderation message. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.1 beta and Code Factory Voices
 

No offense but since when did you become a moderator?

 

 

On 5/27/2021 8:12 AM, zvonimir stanečić, 9a5dsz wrote:

Why you are posting the sources of illegal software here?

It's not for this list!

Best,

Zvonimir

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Amir
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 5:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.1 beta and Code Factory Voices

 


You are welcome, Chris.
The add-on itself is perfectly legal as it doesn't ship with the required library or libraries. Adding the required files doesn't entail any cracking whatsoever. In fact, if you happen to use JAWS or the SAPI 4 release of Eloquence which ships with the Kurzweil 1000, you already have the needed files. However, the following add-on does indeed ship the required library, eliminating the need to make further modifications. Just check here: https://github.com/pumper42nickel/eloquence_threshold
HTH.

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