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Re: NVDA Remote

Oleksandr Gryshchenko
 

Hi friends,
Dear authors of NVDA Remote, I often use this wonderful add-on and have already translated it into my native language.
I created the Pull Request in September, but it has not yet been accepted by the repository owners:

https://github.com/NVDARemote/NVDARemote/pull/224

If you could please tell me how the procedure for translating your add-on works?
Thank you.


Reading All Unicode Characters with NVDA

Dzhovani
 

Hi all,
Currently, NVDA does not read all unicode symbols it encounters. While there is good support for emois, greek letters and some math symbols are not covered.
1. Can someone give me an idea how the symbol pronunciation dialog works and what is the relationship with the pronunciation level in the synthesizer?
2. Can it be extended to all unicode characters? Are there performance considerations included?
Thanks in advance,
Dzhovani


Re: Easy Table Navigator add-on controls

 

Hi,

You can’t really find already assigned gestures unless you go through all of them.

An important note: I’m no longer maintaining Easy Table Navigator.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louise Pfau
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 5:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Easy Table Navigator add-on controls

 

Hi Joseph.  I found the category in "Input Gestures".  How do you know which gestures have already been assigned to another function so you don't overwrite them?

Thanks,

Louise


Re: Easy Table Navigator add-on controls

Louise Pfau
 

Hi Joseph.  I found the category in "Input Gestures".  How do you know which gestures have already been assigned to another function so you don't overwrite them?

Thanks,

Louise


NVDACon 2020 on 4th - 6th of December, submit your topics

Adriani Botez
 

Dear all,

 

the NVDACon 2020 is on the way and we hope most of you will be able to participate!

If you want to present something interesting related to NVDA or to accessibility (i.e. a third party app, an useful addon etc.). please send your topic until end of this wek to

info@...

Don’t loose the chance to rock the floor and contribute to better accessibility in the future!

 

If you want to know more about NVDA, you can also visit the website at

www.nvdacon.org

 

Best regards

Adriani

 


Re: Easy Table Navigator add-on controls

 

Hi,

You need to go to Input Gestures, locate Easy Table Navigator category, and assign a command to toggle table navigation layer.

Cheers,
Joseph (author of Easy Table Navigator add-on)

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louise Pfau
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 12:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Easy Table Navigator add-on controls

 

Hi.  How do you toggle table navigation with the Easy Table Navigator add-on?  I checked the help documentation, and it says something like "no command assigned".  I can't find a settings category for it either.

Thanks,

Louise


Easy Table Navigator add-on controls

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  How do you toggle table navigation with the Easy Table Navigator add-on?  I checked the help documentation, and it says something like "no command assigned".  I can't find a settings category for it either.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: NVDA Verbosity for Grouping and sorting messages in Outlook - Can it be changed?

Luke Robinett
 

Thanks for calling this out. It’s a long-standing NVDA annoyance that I’ve just sort of learned to live with, but it would be great if we had a proper solution at some point. I don’t have any suggestions for resolving the verbosity of groupings but you can change the order in which the columns in the message list appear And consequently the order in which those fields are read aloud. For example, in mailing lists like this one, I care less about who sent it or when it was sent and more about what the subject is, so I put the subject as the first column. I don’t have Outlook in front of me at the moment but you can make these adjustments in the view ribbon, I believe by tapping until you get to view settings. Hope this helps a bit, at least.


Re: Can anyone explain the Input Composition checkboxes in NVDA settings?

Luke Robinett
 

Thank you for asking this! That area of the Settings has long mystified me as well but I figured I wasn’t missing much, considering NVDA seems to work just fine without ever having to touch those settings. Now I understand why. I also agree with the comments here about how some areas of NVDA settings could be better organized, made more clear and more easily discovered with some sort of search mechanism. Thanks again.

On Nov 6, 2020, at 4:17 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:



Hi,

For Quentin: I’m thinking we should queue this for 2021.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2020 4:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can anyone explain the Input Composition checkboxes in NVDA settings?

 

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 07:13 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

As much as IME’s are associated with Asian languages, it is used in other languages

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These settings relate to Asian languages and other languages that use IMEs as part of their input.

Easy.
 
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Re: Adobe Reader and NVDA

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


use the alt/tab key it will then come into focus then it will ask you how to read it after a couple of tabs.


if it is accessible nvda will be able to read it.


Gene nz


On 12/11/2020 1:19 am, Jarek.Krcmar wrote:

Thanks, quentin for your message.

I open a file, and Adobereader says Avpage view.

But than I can read a text normally.


Jarek
Dne 10.11.2020 v 1:53 Quentin Christensen napsal(a):
I'm not sure what Avpage view is?

Normally, when you open a PDF file, if it has been created properly and is accessible, you should be able to read it just like reading a Word document or web page.

If the document has been scanned as an image of text, NVDA will normally report this, and in that case you can press NVDA+r to run OCR on the document, and then use the standard reading and navigation keys to read the text (and press escape when done).

Otherwise if you could perhaps give more information about the error?

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 8:46 PM Jarek.Krcmar <Jarek.Krcmar@...> wrote:
Hello all in group,

I have a problem with an Adobereader.

If I open a pdf file, Nvda says Avpage view.

What I may do, for reading a text?


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Jarek








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Training and Support Manager


Re: Searching the NVDA Group Archive

 

Sacha,

            I have created an NVDA bug report:  https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11831 

            Regardless of where the fault lies, behavior on the same page should not differ, particularly with regard to page structure, based on browser in use.  If you care to comment on it to give any further details regarding your Firefox experience please do so.

             Somebody's got to fix something, it's just a question of who, and the NVAccess folks can figure out where the fault lies and reach out and/or fix NVDA accordingly.
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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

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Re: Adobe Reader and NVDA

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Thanks, quentin for your message.

I open a file, and Adobereader says Avpage view.

But than I can read a text normally.


Jarek
Dne 10.11.2020 v 1:53 Quentin Christensen napsal(a):

I'm not sure what Avpage view is?

Normally, when you open a PDF file, if it has been created properly and is accessible, you should be able to read it just like reading a Word document or web page.

If the document has been scanned as an image of text, NVDA will normally report this, and in that case you can press NVDA+r to run OCR on the document, and then use the standard reading and navigation keys to read the text (and press escape when done).

Otherwise if you could perhaps give more information about the error?

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 8:46 PM Jarek.Krcmar <Jarek.Krcmar@...> wrote:
Hello all in group,

I have a problem with an Adobereader.

If I open a pdf file, Nvda says Avpage view.

What I may do, for reading a text?


--
Jarek








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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: NVDA Goes Silent When Working with Outlook 2016 - Where does the fault lie?

Christo Vorster
 

Hi Brian

 

Thanks for the correction, I truly was not aware of that.

 

Thanks again

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, 10 November 2020 18:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Goes Silent When Working with Outlook 2016 - Where does the fault lie?

 

Christo,

            I have retitled your post for both clarity and archive maintenance purposes.  I hope that someone will be able to assist in figuring this issue out.

            That being said, it has been asked that logs not be posted to the group, and I would ask you, and all members, to refrain from doing so in the future.  If an assistant needs a log or log segment, they will request it and it should be sent privately.  There are many times when NVDA logs can contain information that would be sensitive and that the end user would really not want to have out in public, and they'd have no way of knowing it's even there, and this is why we do not want public posting of full logs or log segments.  That, and there are mighty few members who have the expertise to interpret them, too.
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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

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Re: Searching the NVDA Group Archive

Sascha Cowley
 

I think it's a chromium thing. Visually, there is no table there (as far as I can see). There is a table in the code, but what the purpose of it is, I don't know; the first column seems to be empty. I believe, therefore, that NVDA treating it as a layout table, and thus ignoring it, in Firefox, is the correct behaviour.

On 11/11/2020 13:50, Brian Vogel wrote:
Sascha,

          Just did a test with Firefox and it is a "Firefox thing."  I get no table using Firefox, too, but I don't know why this is, because a quick look at the page source sure shows a web/HTML table being employed.

           There's a bug somewhere, but whether it's Firefox or NVDA I don't know, or else all of the Chromium-based browsers share a bug or NVDA with them in regard to what's going on.

           I don't know for absolute certain which browser is having things "presented correctly" by NVDA.
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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: Searching the NVDA Group Archive

 

Sascha,

          Just did a test with Firefox and it is a "Firefox thing."  I get no table using Firefox, too, but I don't know why this is, because a quick look at the page source sure shows a web/HTML table being employed.

           There's a bug somewhere, but whether it's Firefox or NVDA I don't know, or else all of the Chromium-based browsers share a bug or NVDA with them in regard to what's going on.

           I don't know for absolute certain which browser is having things "presented correctly" by NVDA.
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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: Searching the NVDA Group Archive

 

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 09:37 PM, Sascha Cowley wrote:
I believe this is the way NVDA is configured by default,
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I know I have not changed any settings, ever, in reference to tables.  It is off in mine as well, and I stepped through everything using NVDA to create the instructions.

I don't know what's going on on your end, but it's not happening here in several Chromium-based browsers, so it could be a Firefox-related issue.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: Searching the NVDA Group Archive

Sascha Cowley
 

Turns out this is because I have "Include layout tables" disabled in NVDA's browse mode settings. I believe this is the way NVDA is configured by default, so I would suggest adding a note to your tutorial instructions. I'm using Firefox, in case the browser makes a difference.

On 11/11/2020 12:58, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 07:48 PM, Sascha Cowley wrote:
Interesting, the results are not displayed in table form for me on groups.io. Any idea why?
-
Absolutely none.  I have no idea why a search results page, be it from Grousp.io or a web search engine, would not use the same page format for every single person who's looking at said page.
 
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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: Reading PowerPoint slides in Protected View

Sascha Cowley
 

Thanks, Quentin.

On 11/11/2020 12:30, Quentin Christensen wrote:
This is a known issue with PowerPoint - we have an open issue for it here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10155

In the meantime, the workaround (aside from enabling editing), is to actually run the presentation (press F5) - NVDA will read the presentation when running.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 11:44 AM Sascha Cowley via groups.io <sascha.camille=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all,
I did a search, but couldn't find anything on list about this, and could just be missing something.
As is probably quite common, my university makes our lecture slides available as Microsoft PowerPoint files. Since these files are downloaded, PowerPoint opens them in protected view. Now, I know how to enable editing, but I can't work out a good way of accessing the slides with protected view enabled. When I cycle through PowerPoint's various areas (with F6 or Shift+F6), I just hear "pane" where I would expect the slide switcher and slide view to be.
The only way I have found to be able to read the slides (apart from starting the slide show) is to navigate to this pane, move the mouse to the navigator and left click. I am then able to interact with the slides as normal, except, of course, I can't change anything.
You may of course ask why I don't just enable editing. Two reasons really. The first, which I'm not really concerned about with these files, is security. The second is that I don't want to modify these files, and protected view is just another mechanism to prevent accidental edits.
If anyone is aware of a better way of interacting with slideshows in protected view, I'd love to hear about it. If not, I might look and see if there is an issue open on this and if not open one myself.

Regards,
Sascha



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Training and Support Manager


Re: Searching the NVDA Group Archive

 

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 08:22 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't know how the table lookks, but I see little reason to use it.
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It's not about looks, as no matter what method of navigation you're using the web table is part of the page structure, but about "keeping traversal orderly" for those unfamiliar with the page, which table traversal does.

But, as the instructions note, and you're giving a perfect example of this in action:  "It requires some practice with the search results to find out what is the best way for you to review them.  There are multiple paths one might take through the search results."  Different strokes for different folks.  Whatever works for you is just fine.

It's hard to know where the appropriate line is between prescriptive and descriptive in this sort of tutorial.
 
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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: Searching the NVDA Group Archive

 

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 08:32 PM, Gene wrote:
not just site:nvda.groups.io followed by the search?
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Gene,

Purely an accident of Groups.io history and what worked when I first was trying to work through this, and what you propose did not.

Now they are equivalent, at least in my brief testing, and I agree that "briefer is better."  I seem to recall when I first tried doing this that I was getting several search results that were "from the group's site" but not actually a part of the archive of messages.  But that doesn't seem to be happening now.
 
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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

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