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Re: NVDA and Microsoft Office Outlook 2003

zahra
 

hello.
welcome to nvda and i am glad that you love this excellent program.
i remember that one time joseph lee mentioned that office 2003 is not
supported anymore in nvda versions since 2019.
so, i believe that you may get better result if you download older
versions of nvda for office 2003 using.

On 11/8/20, Raymond Brough <rjbrough54@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Folks

Approximately 2 months ago I commenced using NVDA, currently version
2020.3.
Within a couple of weeks of this I subscribed to this group and this is my
first post.

I am in the midst of having the software on my desktop and laptop computers
upgraded / changed and, to spread the learning curve and disruption, have
opted to carry this out in 2 phases.

Firstly, I upgraded to Windows-10, Firefox and Google chrome, and changed
to
using NVDA. Previously I was using Windows-7, Internet Explorer 11 and
JAWS.

Secondly, and imminent, I will be upgrading to Microsoft 365 from Microsoft
Office 2003. Prior to doing so, there are several tasks I would like to
complete. Unsurprisingly, bearing in mind the age of Microsoft Office
2003,
I am experiencing some difficulties but finding work arounds for or
tolerating the vast majority of them. However, their is one which is
proving extremely frustrating in respect of Outlook 2003!

When reading back and forth through an HTML or Plain Text e-mail thread
using the 4 arrow keys, when I read some e-mail addresses in the second
most
recent message in the thread, or messages prior to this, NVDA often stops
speaking and my computer freezes. It appears the only way to get out of
this is to relaunch NVDA:
Windows Key+r nvda Enter.

After relaunching NVDA, when I alt+tab, all of the applications / messages
/
files etc. I was working with / on are still open. However, when the
message causing the problem is highlighted I have to quickly tap the End
Key
or Ctrl+Home to take the cursor away from the e-mail address causing the
problem, otherwise, failure to do this quickly enough will result in a
reoccurrence of NVDA being silenced and the computer freezing.

When I invoke continuous read,
NVDA Key+Down Arrow
the e-mail thread is read back without a problem!

The problem occasionally occurs when using Microsoft Office Word 2003.
When
reading some, not all, e-mail addresses in a file.

If there is a solution to the problem I would be pleased to read about it.
However, I suspect I may be advised / told to upgrade to Microsoft Office
365 slightly quicker than I planned.

I have searched for a solution in the NVDA manual and on the website, and
also carried out an internet search. It appears NVDA will support elements
of Microsoft Office from version 2010 to 365.

I look forward to your replies. In anticipation, many thanks.

Raymond Brough - slowly shedding his dinosaur clothes








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were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
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Re: Adobe Reader and NVDA

Neil Campbell
 

 

 

Hello Quentin

 

I regularly had the same experience using Adobe, and pressed the alt key and the space bar which generally let me read the PDF file.  However regularly it would still not read it, and NVDA an r would not read the document either.  I made Google Chrome  my default PDF reader, and I can now read PDF files just about all the time.  I rarely have any success with NVDA and r. 

 

Neil

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, 10 November 2020 10:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Adobereader and Nvda

 

I'm not sure what Avpage view is?

 

Normally, when you open a PDF file, if it has been created properly and is accessible, you should be able to read it just like reading a Word document or web page.

 

If the document has been scanned as an image of text, NVDA will normally report this, and in that case you can press NVDA+r to run OCR on the document, and then use the standard reading and navigation keys to read the text (and press escape when done).

 

Otherwise if you could perhaps give more information about the error?

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 8:46 PM Jarek.Krcmar <Jarek.Krcmar@...> wrote:

Hello all in group,

I have a problem with an Adobereader.

If I open a pdf file, Nvda says Avpage view.

What I may do, for reading a text?


--
Jarek





 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

 
Re: Alternate Voices

CARLOS-ESTEBAN <carlosestebanpianista@...>
 

Hi all.

The voices of Google in devices, Smart speakers, etc. don’t is available for NVDA because in webs like the Google Translator, the voices are online, and a screen reader read more information. The voice have a latency for a screen reader that depending of the internet connection.

Regards.

 

 

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.

Músico (pianista) y ayuda a usuarios ciegos y con discapacidad visual, con el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.

Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.

 

Musician (pianist) and also help to the blind people with the use of screen readers and technology.

Certified expert in the screen reader NVDA.

Certified expert in NVDA

 

De: Andrea Sherry
Enviado: jueves, 12 de noviembre de 2020 9:45
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: [nvda] Alternate Voices

 

I have a Google Nest Smart speaker with the most amazing female voice.

 

Are these  Google voices available for NVDA?

 

Andrea

 

 

 

 

 

 
Alternate Voices

Andrea Sherry
 

I have a Google Nest Smart speaker with the most amazing female voice.

Are these  Google voices available for NVDA?

Andrea
Re: NVDA and Microsoft Office Outlook 2003

Raymond Brough
 

Hello Quentin
 
Many thanks for your clear and concise suggestions.

I implicitly and carefully followed your instructions in respect of the: NVDA advanced settings (use UIA in Word) and turning off the preview pane.  This attempt was unsuccessful, I could not find some of the areas mentioned in your numbered list of instructions.
 
I will make further attempts and, if still not successful, I will have to seek further assistance, or, as previously stated, upgrade to Microsoft Office 2016, 2019 or 365 or another office suite slightly sooner than planned.
 
An important matter I omitted to mention in my initial e-mail!  My first impressions of NVDA are positive.  The problems I have been experiencing when using Microsoft Office 2003 can probably largely be attributed to its age and not NVDA.  When I do upgrade my office suite, I sincerely hope it works as intended but will be prepared for the inevitable IT gremlins and a learning curve. 
 
Again, many thanks
 
Raymond Brough
 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 09 November 2020 03:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Microsoft Office Outlook 2003

In NVDA's advanced settings, there is an option to use UIA in Word.  Outlook essentially uses Word to display messages, and I wonder if something is going funny in the older version of Office with this new setting:

1. Press NVDA+control+g to open NVDA's settings.
2. Press CONTROL+SHIFT+TAB to move from the first page to the last page, advanced.
3. Press space to check the "I understand that changing these settings may cause NVDA to function incorrectly" checkbox.
4. Press TAB to "Use UIA automation to access Microsoft Word document controls when available.
5. Press space to uncheck this.
6. Press ENTER to close settings
7. Press NVDA+contorl+c to save NVDA's settings.

I'm not sure exactly why the freeze is happening, but I expect the reason it is happening as soon as you move focus to that problematic email in the list, is because Word is trying to show you a preview of the message in the preview page.  To be honest, I can't recall the steps for Outlook 2003, but according to Google: "To turn off the preview pane: In Microsoft Outlook 2003 and 2007, select the View menu, navigate to Reading pane and click Off. In Windows Mail, click on the View menu and select Layout. Under the Preview Pane section, uncheck "Show preview pane"."

Regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 9:54 AM Raymond Brough <rjbrough54@...> wrote:
Hello Folks
 
Approximately 2 months ago I commenced using NVDA, currently version 2020.3.  Within a couple of weeks of this I subscribed to this group and this is my first post.
 
I am in the midst of having the software on my desktop and laptop computers upgraded / changed and, to spread the learning curve and disruption,  have opted to carry this out in 2 phases. 
 
Firstly, I upgraded to Windows-10, Firefox and Google chrome, and changed to using NVDA.  Previously I was using Windows-7, Internet Explorer 11 and JAWS.
 
Secondly, and imminent, I will be upgrading to Microsoft 365 from Microsoft Office 2003.  Prior to doing so, there are several tasks I would like to complete.  Unsurprisingly, bearing in mind the age of Microsoft Office 2003, I am experiencing some difficulties but finding work arounds for or tolerating the vast majority of them.  However, their is one which is proving extremely frustrating in respect of Outlook 2003!
 
When reading back and forth through an HTML or Plain Text e-mail thread using the 4 arrow keys, when I read some e-mail addresses in the second most recent message in the thread, or messages prior to this, NVDA often stops speaking and my computer freezes.  It appears the only way to get out of this is to relaunch NVDA:
Windows Key+r nvda Enter.
 
After relaunching NVDA, when I alt+tab, all of the applications / messages / files etc. I was working with / on are still open.  However, when the message causing the problem is highlighted I have to quickly tap the End Key or Ctrl+Home to take the cursor away from the e-mail address causing the problem, otherwise, failure to do this quickly enough will result in a reoccurrence of NVDA being silenced and the computer freezing.
 
When I invoke continuous read,
NVDA Key+Down Arrow
the e-mail thread is read back without a problem!
 
The problem occasionally occurs when using Microsoft Office Word 2003.  When reading some, not all, e-mail addresses in a file.
 
If there is a solution to the problem I would be pleased to read about it.  However, I suspect I may be advised / told to upgrade to Microsoft Office 365 slightly quicker than I planned.
 
I have searched for a solution in the NVDA manual and on the website, and also carried out an internet search.  It appears NVDA will support elements of Microsoft Office from version 2010 to 365.
 
I look forward to your replies.  In anticipation, many thanks.
 
Raymond Brough - slowly shedding his dinosaur clothes
 
 
 



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Re: Easy Table Navigator add-on controls

mk360
 

Oh, so sad 😢

El 12/11/2020 a las 1:29, Joseph Lee escribió:

Hi,

You can’t really find already assigned gestures unless you go through all of them.

An important note: I’m no longer maintaining Easy Table Navigator.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louise Pfau
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 5:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Easy Table Navigator add-on controls

 

Hi Joseph.  I found the category in "Input Gestures".  How do you know which gestures have already been assigned to another function so you don't overwrite them?

Thanks,

Louise

Re: NVDA and Microsoft Office Outlook 2003

Raymond Brough
 

Hello Brian
 
I have noted your suggestion regarding other options in respect of e-mail clients and office suites.  Whichever I choose, wish me 'luck' and lots of it.
 
Raymond Brough
 
 
 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 07 November 2020 22:56
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Microsoft Office Outlook 2003

Raymond,

          Count me among those who say, "Update to Office 2016, 2019, or 365 slightly quicker than you'd planned."

           You also have the option of changing over to other well-known and well-supported-under-NVDA e-mail clients and office suites.  For example, Thunderbird and Libre Office, respectively.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 
Re: NVDA Remote

Oleksandr Gryshchenko
 

Hi friends,
Dear authors of NVDA Remote, I often use this wonderful add-on and have already translated it into my native language.
I created the Pull Request in September, but it has not yet been accepted by the repository owners:

https://github.com/NVDARemote/NVDARemote/pull/224

If you could please tell me how the procedure for translating your add-on works?
Thank you.
Reading All Unicode Characters with NVDA

Dzhovani
 

Hi all,
Currently, NVDA does not read all unicode symbols it encounters. While there is good support for emois, greek letters and some math symbols are not covered.
1. Can someone give me an idea how the symbol pronunciation dialog works and what is the relationship with the pronunciation level in the synthesizer?
2. Can it be extended to all unicode characters? Are there performance considerations included?
Thanks in advance,
Dzhovani
Re: Easy Table Navigator add-on controls

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

You can’t really find already assigned gestures unless you go through all of them.

An important note: I’m no longer maintaining Easy Table Navigator.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louise Pfau
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 5:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Easy Table Navigator add-on controls

 

Hi Joseph.  I found the category in "Input Gestures".  How do you know which gestures have already been assigned to another function so you don't overwrite them?

Thanks,

Louise

Re: Easy Table Navigator add-on controls

Louise Pfau
 

Hi Joseph.  I found the category in "Input Gestures".  How do you know which gestures have already been assigned to another function so you don't overwrite them?

Thanks,

Louise
NVDACon 2020 on 4th - 6th of December, submit your topics

Adriani Botez
 

Dear all,

 

the NVDACon 2020 is on the way and we hope most of you will be able to participate!

If you want to present something interesting related to NVDA or to accessibility (i.e. a third party app, an useful addon etc.). please send your topic until end of this wek to

info@...

Don’t loose the chance to rock the floor and contribute to better accessibility in the future!

 

If you want to know more about NVDA, you can also visit the website at

www.nvdacon.org

 

Best regards

Adriani

 
Re: Easy Table Navigator add-on controls

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

You need to go to Input Gestures, locate Easy Table Navigator category, and assign a command to toggle table navigation layer.

Cheers,
Joseph (author of Easy Table Navigator add-on)

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louise Pfau
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 12:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Easy Table Navigator add-on controls

 

Hi.  How do you toggle table navigation with the Easy Table Navigator add-on?  I checked the help documentation, and it says something like "no command assigned".  I can't find a settings category for it either.

Thanks,

Louise

Easy Table Navigator add-on controls

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  How do you toggle table navigation with the Easy Table Navigator add-on?  I checked the help documentation, and it says something like "no command assigned".  I can't find a settings category for it either.

Thanks,

Louise
Re: NVDA Verbosity for Grouping and sorting messages in Outlook - Can it be changed?

Luke Robinett
 

Thanks for calling this out. It’s a long-standing NVDA annoyance that I’ve just sort of learned to live with, but it would be great if we had a proper solution at some point. I don’t have any suggestions for resolving the verbosity of groupings but you can change the order in which the columns in the message list appear And consequently the order in which those fields are read aloud. For example, in mailing lists like this one, I care less about who sent it or when it was sent and more about what the subject is, so I put the subject as the first column. I don’t have Outlook in front of me at the moment but you can make these adjustments in the view ribbon, I believe by tapping until you get to view settings. Hope this helps a bit, at least.
Re: Can anyone explain the Input Composition checkboxes in NVDA settings?

Luke Robinett
 

Thank you for asking this! That area of the Settings has long mystified me as well but I figured I wasn’t missing much, considering NVDA seems to work just fine without ever having to touch those settings. Now I understand why. I also agree with the comments here about how some areas of NVDA settings could be better organized, made more clear and more easily discovered with some sort of search mechanism. Thanks again.

On Nov 6, 2020, at 4:17 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:



Hi,

For Quentin: I’m thinking we should queue this for 2021.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2020 4:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can anyone explain the Input Composition checkboxes in NVDA settings?

 

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 07:13 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

As much as IME’s are associated with Asian languages, it is used in other languages

-
These settings relate to Asian languages and other languages that use IMEs as part of their input.

Easy.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 
Re: Adobe Reader and NVDA

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


use the alt/tab key it will then come into focus then it will ask you how to read it after a couple of tabs.


if it is accessible nvda will be able to read it.


Gene nz


On 12/11/2020 1:19 am, Jarek.Krcmar wrote:

Thanks, quentin for your message.

I open a file, and Adobereader says Avpage view.

But than I can read a text normally.


Jarek
Dne 10.11.2020 v 1:53 Quentin Christensen napsal(a):
I'm not sure what Avpage view is?

Normally, when you open a PDF file, if it has been created properly and is accessible, you should be able to read it just like reading a Word document or web page.

If the document has been scanned as an image of text, NVDA will normally report this, and in that case you can press NVDA+r to run OCR on the document, and then use the standard reading and navigation keys to read the text (and press escape when done).

Otherwise if you could perhaps give more information about the error?

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 8:46 PM Jarek.Krcmar <Jarek.Krcmar@...> wrote:
Hello all in group,

I have a problem with an Adobereader.

If I open a pdf file, Nvda says Avpage view.

What I may do, for reading a text?


--
Jarek








--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Re: Searching the NVDA Group Archive

Brian Vogel
 

Sacha,

            I have created an NVDA bug report:  https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11831 

            Regardless of where the fault lies, behavior on the same page should not differ, particularly with regard to page structure, based on browser in use.  If you care to comment on it to give any further details regarding your Firefox experience please do so.

             Somebody's got to fix something, it's just a question of who, and the NVAccess folks can figure out where the fault lies and reach out and/or fix NVDA accordingly.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 
Re: Adobe Reader and NVDA

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Thanks, quentin for your message.

I open a file, and Adobereader says Avpage view.

But than I can read a text normally.


Jarek
Dne 10.11.2020 v 1:53 Quentin Christensen napsal(a):

I'm not sure what Avpage view is?

Normally, when you open a PDF file, if it has been created properly and is accessible, you should be able to read it just like reading a Word document or web page.

If the document has been scanned as an image of text, NVDA will normally report this, and in that case you can press NVDA+r to run OCR on the document, and then use the standard reading and navigation keys to read the text (and press escape when done).

Otherwise if you could perhaps give more information about the error?

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 8:46 PM Jarek.Krcmar <Jarek.Krcmar@...> wrote:
Hello all in group,

I have a problem with an Adobereader.

If I open a pdf file, Nvda says Avpage view.

What I may do, for reading a text?


--
Jarek








--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Re: NVDA Goes Silent When Working with Outlook 2016 - Where does the fault lie?

Christo Vorster
 

Hi Brian

 

Thanks for the correction, I truly was not aware of that.

 

Thanks again

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, 10 November 2020 18:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Goes Silent When Working with Outlook 2016 - Where does the fault lie?

 

Christo,

            I have retitled your post for both clarity and archive maintenance purposes.  I hope that someone will be able to assist in figuring this issue out.

            That being said, it has been asked that logs not be posted to the group, and I would ask you, and all members, to refrain from doing so in the future.  If an assistant needs a log or log segment, they will request it and it should be sent privately.  There are many times when NVDA logs can contain information that would be sensitive and that the end user would really not want to have out in public, and they'd have no way of knowing it's even there, and this is why we do not want public posting of full logs or log segments.  That, and there are mighty few members who have the expertise to interpret them, too.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 
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