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building plugins was: [nvda] Remote Support Add on

Robert Logue
 

How does one build a plugin from a repository?


I wanted to use a plugin for NVDA and my Brother printer but it did not have an installer.  I did not know I could have built it.


Thanks.


Bob



On 2020-10-02 9:04 a.m., Oleksandr Gryshchenko wrote:
Hello David,

Also you can build it from the source code in the official repository:
https://github.com/NVDARemote/NVDARemote/releases/tag/2.3

Or you can download it here - I just builded it:
https://hotinfo.in.ua/remote-2.3.nvda-addon

Good luck!


Re: Braille extender's auto scroll with orbit reader 20

Kara Goldfinch
 

Ok, I've figured out how to turn on auto scroll using the pc keyboard. The manual makes no mention of this when the Orbit Reader is connected, and as I said the commands in the manual are for Baum displays, not the Orbit Reader.

E.g. apparently dot 2 + dot 5 will turn on auto scroll, but that just jumps to heading  level 3.


On 05/11/2020 14:13, Devin Prater wrote:

It should work. If not, let the developer know, by creating a new issue at:


If you don't already, you'll need to make a Github account.
Devin Prater


On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:27 AM Kara Goldfinch <kara.louise18@...> wrote:

Hi everyone.

Is it possible to use the Braille Extender add-on's auto scroll feature with the Orbit Reader 20?

The manual isn't much help as it calls up information for Baum displays.

All the best,

Kara


Re: Braille extender's auto scroll with orbit reader 20

Devin Prater
 

It should work. If not, let the developer know, by creating a new issue at:


If you don't already, you'll need to make a Github account.
Devin Prater


On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:27 AM Kara Goldfinch <kara.louise18@...> wrote:

Hi everyone.

Is it possible to use the Braille Extender add-on's auto scroll feature with the Orbit Reader 20?

The manual isn't much help as it calls up information for Baum displays.

All the best,

Kara


Re: NVDA performance in remote or virtual environments

Christian Schoepplein
 

Hi Adrian,

the performance issues may also be related to the speed of your network connection. Do you connect to the remote system via a internal network or via internet connection? If you connect via internet, whats the maximum speed for uploads?

16 GB RAM is ofcourse better then only using a VM with only 8 GB of memory, but using Windows 10 native with 4 GB RAM and aditionaly a VM with also 4 GB of RAM should also be suficient. Does your machine have a SSD or a older harddisk which is not that fast?

Does the Windows in your VM react quickly and is only the remote access slow? If yes, the local hardware is not the problem.

Ciao,

Schoepp


Re: NVDA Verbosity for Grouping and sorting messages in Outlook - Can it be changed?

Sean Randall
 

Hello,

 

Ideally I suppose you could match this with a regular expression in a speech dictionary, but  Outlook seems to send this to the synthesizer in a couple of chunks (if I look in the speech viewer, the final expanded or collapsed statement comes across on a second line sometimes).

 

Still, a dictionary entry could  reduce:

Group By: Expanded: Date: Yesterday  grouping  expanded”

To:

“Date Yesterday expanded”

Assuming, of course, you wanted the date datum as part of the output. Personally I just want the day, because  it’s  obvious it’s grouped by date if I am collapsing a group of days

Sean.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 04 November 2020 18:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Verbosity for Grouping and sorting messages in Outlook - Can it be changed?

 

Josh,

         I'll let others get into the verbosity settings that might be changed, as I can't answer that.  I am posting only because I have retitled your topic for archival purposes and to make it clear the question is about NVDA verbosity related to using Outlook, not Outlook itself.

         By the way to the readership, if it turns out that there are Outlook settings that can be tweaked to decrease NVDA's verbosity in a circumstance like this, that still counts to me as addressing the interaction between NVDA and the program.  But I suspect this will be fixed, to the extent it can be, via NVDA settings rather than any Outlook settings, though I could be wrong about that.

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Braille extender's auto scroll with orbit reader 20

Kara Goldfinch
 

Hi everyone.

Is it possible to use the Braille Extender add-on's auto scroll feature with the Orbit Reader 20?

The manual isn't much help as it calls up information for Baum displays.

All the best,

Kara


Re: Cannot get past, "please register this," when launching NVDA!

Quentin Christensen
 

If anyone does encounter this issue, it would be great if you could confirm please that pressing NVDA+control+r three times quickly DOES resolve it?  It should, as it should revert to Windows OneCore voices on Windows 10 (or eSpeak-NG on earlier versions of Windows).  I haven't actually tried it myself though to test the theory.

Quentin.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 1:47 PM Robert Logue <bobcat11@...> wrote:
I had this same problem.  It was the demo of Code Factory voices for
NVDA add on. Plus, the trial of Code Factory SAPI voices.  I foolishly
tried both then was away from my desktop PC for more than a month.


I don't like that kind of behavior in trial software.


I was not even able to use Narrator because that please register message
was spoken every time I pressed any key.


Asked Microsoft disability answer desk for help through Be My Eyes on my
iPhone to resolve this.


Turned out that Narrator was using the demo voice which has also timed out.


I don't know if I'd been able to fix my self without the help from MS


Bob


On 2020-10-23 10:32 a.m., Gene wrote:
> The please register this must refer to a synthessizer that your NVDA
> is using.  If you get that message and the command NVDA key control r
> pressed three times rapidly, You may hold control and nvda key and
> type r quickly three times, doesn't restore NVDA to its defaults so
> the default synthesizer can run, then you may have to delete something
> else, such as your synthesizer or your NVDA settings so it will start
> using defaults.
>
> Gene
> -----Original Message----- From: Mike
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 8:17 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Cannot get past, "please register this," when
> launching NVDA!
>
>
>
> Keep getting please register this when I launch NVDA. Cannot get to
> menus or anything else. I had old version of NVDA I removed. Then
> installed the latest NVDA. Did not help. Using windows 10, Also JAWS.
>
> Any help appreciated.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>







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New Video: NVDA in Russia

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

I wanted to share a video we've just uploaded:

Prominent Russian #accessibility expert, Anatoliy Popko shares his experiences advocating for #A11y & the projects he is involved in, including putting IT trainers across Russia through NVDA Certification so they can teach blind users IT skills with NVDA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o83mo-sSQNQ

At 17 minutes, it's longer than some of our other videos, but a fascinating story, and highlights some great work being done in Russia.

Quentin.
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Re: Chrome forms with NVDA

Sean Randall
 

Hi Brian,

Sorry, I did mean an edit box in a form, but I was using google forms as an example, which is clearly confusing.

Most all web pages in Chrome with edit fields have this issue, an example is at duckduckgo.com. If I enter browse mode  in the search field on that page, I hear:

Search the web without being tracked  edit  overall type: UNKNOWN_TYPE server type: NO_SERVER_DATA heuristic type: UNKNOWN_TYPE label: Search the web without being tracked parseable name: q section: q_1-default field signature: 1012080445 form signature: 378668188462997795 form renderer id: 1 field renderer id: 10  Search the web without being tracked

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 04 November 2020 16:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Chrome forms with NVDA

 

Can you clarify what you mean by "Google Form"?  I don't think you're referring to an edit box in an online form under Chrome, but I'm not sure what it is you are referring to.

If a specific example can be supplied, that would be helpful, whether that's a URL or something else that could be worked with.
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Re: Cannot get past, "please register this," when launching NVDA!

Robert Logue
 

I had this same problem.  It was the demo of Code Factory voices for NVDA add on. Plus, the trial of Code Factory SAPI voices.  I foolishly tried both then was away from my desktop PC for more than a month.


I don't like that kind of behavior in trial software.


I was not even able to use Narrator because that please register message was spoken every time I pressed any key.


Asked Microsoft disability answer desk for help through Be My Eyes on my iPhone to resolve this.


Turned out that Narrator was using the demo voice which has also timed out.


I don't know if I'd been able to fix my self without the help from MS


Bob

On 2020-10-23 10:32 a.m., Gene wrote:
The please register this must refer to a synthessizer that your NVDA is using.  If you get that message and the command NVDA key control r pressed three times rapidly, You may hold control and nvda key and type r quickly three times, doesn't restore NVDA to its defaults so the default synthesizer can run, then you may have to delete something else, such as your synthesizer or your NVDA settings so it will start using defaults.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Mike
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 8:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Cannot get past, "please register this," when launching NVDA!



Keep getting please register this when I launch NVDA. Cannot get to menus or anything else. I had old version of NVDA I removed. Then installed the latest NVDA. Did not help. Using windows 10, Also JAWS.

Any help appreciated.

Mike









Re: NVDA performance in remote or virtual environments

Adriani Botez
 

Sorry I was not clear enough. The dedicated ram for the vm is 8 gb

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 04.11.2020 um 23:40 schrieb Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com>:

To be honest, if you only have 8gb ram, that may be your issue.

You really need another 8 to work right.

Put 4gb to the ram or 3gb to your vm, and unload anything you don't need and try.

I wouldn't try unless you had more ram.

The cores will be fine, 2 cores to the vm should be plenty.

What you may want to do if you can on the vm is to see if you can get a 32 bit version or even reformat and install a 32 bit os on the laptop then you can dedicate about 3gb to the os and 5 to the vm or have a 32 bit vm and not a 64 bit vm.

You really need another 8gb at least.



On 5/11/2020 10:41 am, Adriani Botez wrote:
Thank you for the hints. Well, the laptop I am using for my work has definitely not 8 cores, it has only 4 and about 8 gb of ram. However, maybe there is some way to at least minimize the latency on the VM.


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Tim M
Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. November 2020 00:15
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] NVDA performance in remote or virtual environments

For what your trying to do make sure the desk or laptop has enough power.

Your looking for CPU's with 8 or more cores and high thread if you go vertual
machine.

In either case make sure you have 32 gmb or better.The rest is what you like.

See vm's are power hogs and remotes can have lag. That is why you build for
power.

Then all you have is software issues.

On 10/29/2020 5:50 PM, Adriani Botez wrote:
Dear all,

I thought I start a discussion here on the performance topic in remote
or virtual environments . . .





.




Re: NVDA performance in remote or virtual environments

 

To be honest, if you only have 8gb ram, that may be your issue.

You really need another 8 to work right.

Put 4gb to the ram or 3gb to your vm, and unload anything you don't need and try.

I wouldn't try unless you had more ram.

The cores will be fine, 2 cores to the vm should be plenty.

What you may want to do if you can on the vm is to see if you can get a 32 bit version or even reformat and install a 32 bit os on the laptop then you can dedicate about 3gb to the os and 5 to the vm or have a 32 bit vm and not a 64 bit vm.

You really need another 8gb at least.

On 5/11/2020 10:41 am, Adriani Botez wrote:
Thank you for the hints. Well, the laptop I am using for my work has definitely not 8 cores, it has only 4 and about 8 gb of ram. However, maybe there is some way to at least minimize the latency on the VM.


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Tim M
Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. November 2020 00:15
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] NVDA performance in remote or virtual environments

For what your trying to do make sure the desk or laptop has enough power.

Your looking for CPU's with 8 or more cores and high thread if you go vertual
machine.

In either case make sure you have 32 gmb or better.The rest is what you like.

See vm's are power hogs and remotes can have lag. That is why you build for
power.

Then all you have is software issues.

On 10/29/2020 5:50 PM, Adriani Botez wrote:
Dear all,

I thought I start a discussion here on the performance topic in remote
or virtual environments . . .





.


Re: NVDA performance in remote or virtual environments

Adriani Botez
 

Thank you for the hints. Well, the laptop I am using for my work has definitely not 8 cores, it has only 4 and about 8 gb of ram. However, maybe there is some way to at least minimize the latency on the VM.

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Tim M
Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. November 2020 00:15
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] NVDA performance in remote or virtual environments

For what your trying to do make sure the desk or laptop has enough power.

Your looking for CPU's with 8 or more cores and high thread if you go vertual
machine.

In either case make sure you have 32 gmb or better.The rest is what you like.

See vm's are power hogs and remotes can have lag. That is why you build for
power.

Then all you have is software issues.

On 10/29/2020 5:50 PM, Adriani Botez wrote:
Dear all,

I thought I start a discussion here on the performance topic in remote
or virtual environments . . .



Re: NVDA Verbosity for Grouping and sorting messages in Outlook - Can it be changed?

 

Josh,

         I'll let others get into the verbosity settings that might be changed, as I can't answer that.  I am posting only because I have retitled your topic for archival purposes and to make it clear the question is about NVDA verbosity related to using Outlook, not Outlook itself.

         By the way to the readership, if it turns out that there are Outlook settings that can be tweaked to decrease NVDA's verbosity in a circumstance like this, that still counts to me as addressing the interaction between NVDA and the program.  But I suspect this will be fixed, to the extent it can be, via NVDA settings rather than any Outlook settings, though I could be wrong about that.

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NVDA Verbosity for Grouping and sorting messages in Outlook - Can it be changed?

Josh Miele
 

Folks:

I'm looking for advice on reducing the verbosity of the message grouping info in Microsoft outlook.

As you navigate through messages, tasks, notes, or any other Outlook items that have been sorted and grouped, there is an extremely long announcement that happens whenever you transition from one group to another. Groups can be date ranges, priority flags, labels, etc. depending on how you've sorted your items. Sometimes the grouping info actually seems to be spoken twice which makes it even worse. The final frustration of the problem is that the relevant information about the newly selected Outlook item is spoken after the grouping information, which means you need to sit through a flood of overly-verbose and redundant TTS before you can get to the info ab out the current item.

For example, inbox messages are grouped by "today," "Yesterday," "last week," etc. If you're arrowing down through the message list, the info about each message is spoken as it is selected (e.g., subject, sender, arrival time, etc.). However, when you arrow from the first message of Today to the last message from Yesterday, NVDA speaks a bunch of info about the newly selected group before speaking the expected message info. Depending on the grouping and sorting criteria, this can be quite a bit of verbiage...

A relatively tame example of a grouping message is: "Group by: Expanded: Date: Yesterday grouping Group by: Expanded: Date: Yesterday Selected: Expanded" These messages can be much longer if you've sorted by criteria in addition to date.

Obviously we need access to the info about these groupings, but I find the way it's presented to be extremely frustrating. Can anybody tell me how to reduce this verbosity or to improve the user experience with this?

BTW, I recently installed the Outlook Extended add-on which is really cool. I was hoping the authors might have included some mechanism for managing this problem, but unfortunately not yet.

Best to all!

--JAM


Re: Chrome forms with NVDA

 

Can you clarify what you mean by "Google Form"?  I don't think you're referring to an edit box in an online form under Chrome, but I'm not sure what it is you are referring to.

If a specific example can be supplied, that would be helpful, whether that's a URL or something else that could be worked with.
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     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: Drag and Drop

 

Hi,

To clarify, it is up to add-on authors to ask for an add-on review should they wish to have their add-ons included on community add-ons website. Only after passing a set of basic review criteria (license and copyright, user experience, documentation, security) will the add-on be considered for distribution through the add-ons website (please note that even if other criteria passes, an add-on can still fail basic review if license is incompatible with NVDA’s, which is GNU GPL 2). There are one or two classes of add-ons that the community is quite hesitant to review based on past discussions on add-ons mailing list, including speech synthesizers (license issues).

Until recently it was hard to find documentation on add-on reviews, but now it is publicly more accessible:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/processes.en.html

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 7:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Drag and Drop

 

On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 03:42 AM, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:

The fact that an author doesn’t want his/her addon be listed on the NVDA addon page doesn’t make it unofficial.

-
It does to me.  If it's not vetted and "officially blessed," it's unofficial.  And that's all I'm trying to communicate.  People write all sorts of home-grown add-ons that are, and are very likely to remain, unofficial.  They will not be submitted for review/vetting and will never appear on the NVDA Community Add-Ons page.

Thus, they are unofficial.  That doesn't make them unsafe, substandard, or anything else.  But it is a way to note that you're not going to find them on the NVDA Community Add-Ons page.
 
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Re: Drag and Drop

 

On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 03:42 AM, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:
The fact that an author doesn’t want his/her addon be listed on the NVDA addon page doesn’t make it unofficial.
-
It does to me.  If it's not vetted and "officially blessed," it's unofficial.  And that's all I'm trying to communicate.  People write all sorts of home-grown add-ons that are, and are very likely to remain, unofficial.  They will not be submitted for review/vetting and will never appear on the NVDA Community Add-Ons page.

Thus, they are unofficial.  That doesn't make them unsafe, substandard, or anything else.  But it is a way to note that you're not going to find them on the NVDA Community Add-Ons page.
 
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Chrome forms with NVDA

Sean Randall
 

Hi all,

Sorry if this has been brought up already, I had a quick search  but might have missed a thread.

 

With NVDA 2020.3 (and several earlier versions), plus  Chrome 86, whenever I enter certain form fields on the web I get a lot of extra  nonsense,

For example, when trying to add a description  to a Google Form, I hear:

Form description  edit  multi line  overall type: UNKNOWN_TYPE server type: NO_SERVER_DATA heuristic type: UNKNOWN_TYPE label: Form description parseable name: section: _1-default field signature: 4290505990 form signature: 1493917485352217957 form renderer id: 4294967295 field renderer id: 22  blank

 

I’d settle for the Form description  edit  multi line   bit!

 

It’s only a problem when I want to review the contents of a field, if it’s a single-line item and I don’t have Braille on the go it can be  very irritating to have to wait for all the speech to finish.

 

Has anyone seen this before, am I being really silly and missing something obvious?

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Re: Drag and Drop

Gene
 

All sorts of software is issued under the public license being discussed. That has nothing to do with whether it is an official NVDA add-on. An add-on is official if it has been reviewed and approved by those designated by NVDA developers to do so. It is reviewed for safety and effectiveness.

I'm not saying that unofficial add-ons shouldn't be used, but the user should be aware that add-ons can be used for malicious purposes so it is a good idea to know if the author(s) are trustworthy. If unknown, it would be a good idea to ask about them here. There are some add-ons that are illegal and if they are brought up here, discussion will be stopped by the moderator or owner because illegal software isn't allowed to be discussed on the list.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2020 2:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Drag and Drop



The term “unofficial” is misleading in the context of NVDA addons. Every NVDA addon that is released by an author following GPL copyright is official. The fact that an author doesn’t want his/her addon be listed on the NVDA addon page doesn’t make it unofficial.





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Mittwoch, 4. November 2020 06:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Drag and Drop





The DragAndDrop add-on by Javi Dominguez and collaborators is not an "official" add-on. It's managed under GitHub, like many unofficial add-ons are.

The latest version is 2.0.1dev and can be downloaded from this page: https://github.com/javidominguez/DragAndDrop/releases/tag/2.0.1dev
The direct download link is: https://github.com/javidominguez/DragAndDrop/releases/download/2.0.1dev/DragAndDrop-2.0.1dev.nvda-addon

I don't know anything about this add-on beyond what I've written here.
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