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NVDA doesn't read context menu

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Hi,

After uninstall MS office, my NVDA doesn't read context menu.
Why and how to fix this?


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Nimer Jaber
 

Hello everyone:

While I am truly sorry about the loss of this individual, I do think that further discussion should take place on the chat list. If you disagree, please send your comments to nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io. We all, as a community, mourn any loss, including this one. Yet we are all here to discuss NVDA, and this is why people sign up to this group. I do hope my message is not insensitive or offensive to anyone, and again, if you disagree, please write your comments to the owner address.

On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 4:50 PM Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

No way! Did he post often?

 

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From: Christo Vorster
Sent: April 10, 2021 1:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] BLIND SAD NEWS

 

Hi Group

 

It is with a heavy heart that I want to inform you that Hendrik Esterhuyzen passed away this afternoon. Currently we don’t have any more information, we will let you know when we have more information.

 

Rest in Peace, my friend.

 

Christo Vorster

 



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Arlene
 

No way! Did he post often?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Christo Vorster
Sent: April 10, 2021 1:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] BLIND SAD NEWS

 

Hi Group

 

It is with a heavy heart that I want to inform you that Hendrik Esterhuyzen passed away this afternoon. Currently we don’t have any more information, we will let you know when we have more information.

 

Rest in Peace, my friend.

 

Christo Vorster

 


Re: [Solved] Activating the Mouse with NVDA

 

On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 06:56 PM, Blaster wrote:
Google Chrome extension which disables this overlay on any website it encounters
-
Which should work under any Chromium-based browser, including Edge.  All you have to do is enable the installation of Chrome Store extensions under Edge:
1. Open Extensions from the Edge Menu
2. At the bottom of the Extensions page is a toggle for Allow extensions from other stores.  Turn it on.
3. Navigate to the Chrome Store page for the extension you want (within Edge) and activate the Add to Chrome button.  The button label does not change unless something's been tweaked in that regard very recently.
 
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Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


Re: [Solved] Activating the Mouse with NVDA

Blaster
 

Hi all,

The Mosen at large podcast is definitely worth listening to, it's
quite disturbing. Mike Calvo and Matt Campbell developed a free Google
Chrome extension which disables this overlay on any website it
encounters with no need for the user to do anything, it's all
automatic. They said their working on an Edge and Firefox version as
well. Here's the link to the extension on the Google Play store, it's
called "AccesiByeBye".

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/accessibyebye/ikcamkknjfdplkdjjncobgmpciklohjg/related

HTH,
Blaster

On 4/10/21, Jonathan COHN via groups.io
<jonathan.c.cohn=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
This site is usingaccessiBe overlay to modify their page. Jonathan Mosen did
a entire show just about this overlay. I have a few opinions on this, but
will be refraining and speaking them here.

On Apr 10, 2021, at 13:10, David Russell <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hello NVDA,

For the sake of update or summary, thanks everyone for your input into
this topic.
I am curious to know a little more about the option to use what is
called 'screen reader mode.'
Is this a way for websites to make their offerings or content more
accessible to those using screen readers?

Can a website detect when someone is visiting their website and
cookies gather what browser they are using and specialized
peripherals?
On Thursday, it appeared I was just one of the fray interested in
applying to webull.com. On Friday, the screen reader mode option was
read to me.

I gather from the information in the NVDA manual, and that found at
other websites like computer hope.com, that there are different ways
to use the mouse together with NVDA. Is that a correct assumption?

Like Sarah, I too learn what I have to do in order to accomplish what
I do on the computer or any mobile device. Hence, my skills, too, are
perhaps limited or defined.

I will check back when the daily summary appears in my inbox on Sunday
to read what replies may appear. Again, much thanks!

--
David C. Russell, Author










Re: [Solved] Activating the Mouse with NVDA

Gene
 

My point, if my message wasn't clear, is that you can't discuss these things, which should be discussed in a screen-reader user guide, without explaining briefly what browse mode is and then explaining what I discussed.

Browse mode is not a part of Windows or of Windows programs. it is a screen-reader feature, just as object navigation or screen review is.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2021 4:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] [Solved] Activating the Mouse with NVDA

The user should know something about the virtual pc cursor or browse mode,
as NVDA calls it. If they don't, they won't know why you switch browse mode
off for certain reasons and then on again. They won't know that the web
page, as they experience it may not be laid out the same way as a sighted
person sees it and won't be able to translate what a sighted person tells
them to where something might be on the page. They won't understand that at
times, if you turhn off browse mode, you may see a control that, for some
reason, you won't if it is on and even if they know that, they won't
understand why. They should know that quick navigation commands are used in
browse mode and that they are not a part of a sighted person browsing the
web.

An exhaustive technical knowledge of browse mode isn't necessary. You do
need to know that you are using a cursor that doesn't exist on the web page
and a sighted person doesn't see one. You should know the things I stated
above if you are a serious Internet user.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2021 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] [Solved] Activating the Mouse with NVDA

On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 10:28 PM, tim wrote:
And yes, in college your are expected to know some stuff. They don't spoon
feed.-
And the issue of spoon-feeding aside, as I don't think that's exactly what's
being asked for here, there is, as I have asserted earlier, every reason for
software developers for Windows, in the year 2021, to believe that they do
not and should not have to discuss certain Windows basics as part of their
training manuals and certain terminology, either.

People can, and will, occasionally have gaps in their knowledge. I have
gaps in my knowledge. I had to get a lot of instruction on the concept of
the virtual cursor when I first started working with screen readers. But I
don't expect that the documentation on how to use a screen reader is likely
even to discuss the virtual cursor because it's an "under the hood" feature
that the end user really has no need to know much about in "daily driving"
with a screen reader.

If something is unfamiliar in a given piece of documentation then the
appropriate course of action is to ask about it. Sometimes, and only
sometimes, it is absolutely apropriate to update the documentation. Others
it's appropriate to leave it be because the majority of readers will know
the terminology already, or ask about it once. That's why it's always handy
to have a section dedicated to standard notation in a given piece of
documentation as abbreviations often get used, e.g., NVDA+{whatever}, where
NVDA in that context could be either INSERT or CAPS LOCK, depending on the
keyboard layout. But I don't want, "NVDA+N (INSERT+N for desktop, CAPS
LOCK+N for laptop keyboard layouts, respectively)" everywhere NVDA+N is
used. There is every reason that the reader of something like the NVDA User
Guide should have probably either reviewed, or will look up, the concept of
the NVDA key when they're unfamiliar with that notation.

You cannot and should not presume "blank slates" when writing documentation
because it then becomes an ever expanding task when you cannot make
reasonable base assumptions about the skill sets of individuals coming to
that documentation.

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Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless
you hate them. And then you destroy yourself.

~ Richard M. Nixon


Re: [Solved] Activating the Mouse with NVDA

Gene
 

The user should know something about the virtual pc cursor or browse mode, as NVDA calls it. If they don't, they won't know why you switch browse mode off for certain reasons and then on again. They won't know that the web page, as they experience it may not be laid out the same way as a sighted person sees it and won't be able to translate what a sighted person tells them to where something might be on the page. They won't understand that at times, if you turhn off browse mode, you may see a control that, for some reason, you won't if it is on and even if they know that, they won't understand why. They should know that quick navigation commands are used in browse mode and that they are not a part of a sighted person browsing the web.

An exhaustive technical knowledge of browse mode isn't necessary. You do need to know that you are using a cursor that doesn't exist on the web page and a sighted person doesn't see one. You should know the things I stated above if you are a serious Internet user.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2021 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] [Solved] Activating the Mouse with NVDA

On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 10:28 PM, tim wrote:
And yes, in college your are expected to know some stuff. They don't spoon feed.-
And the issue of spoon-feeding aside, as I don't think that's exactly what's being asked for here, there is, as I have asserted earlier, every reason for software developers for Windows, in the year 2021, to believe that they do not and should not have to discuss certain Windows basics as part of their training manuals and certain terminology, either.

People can, and will, occasionally have gaps in their knowledge. I have gaps in my knowledge. I had to get a lot of instruction on the concept of the virtual cursor when I first started working with screen readers. But I don't expect that the documentation on how to use a screen reader is likely even to discuss the virtual cursor because it's an "under the hood" feature that the end user really has no need to know much about in "daily driving" with a screen reader.

If something is unfamiliar in a given piece of documentation then the appropriate course of action is to ask about it. Sometimes, and only sometimes, it is absolutely apropriate to update the documentation. Others it's appropriate to leave it be because the majority of readers will know the terminology already, or ask about it once. That's why it's always handy to have a section dedicated to standard notation in a given piece of documentation as abbreviations often get used, e.g., NVDA+{whatever}, where NVDA in that context could be either INSERT or CAPS LOCK, depending on the keyboard layout. But I don't want, "NVDA+N (INSERT+N for desktop, CAPS LOCK+N for laptop keyboard layouts, respectively)" everywhere NVDA+N is used. There is every reason that the reader of something like the NVDA User Guide should have probably either reviewed, or will look up, the concept of the NVDA key when they're unfamiliar with that notation.

You cannot and should not presume "blank slates" when writing documentation because it then becomes an ever expanding task when you cannot make reasonable base assumptions about the skill sets of individuals coming to that documentation.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself.

~ Richard M. Nixon


locked BLIND SAD NEWS

Christo Vorster
 

Hi Group

 

It is with a heavy heart that I want to inform you that Hendrik Esterhuyzen passed away this afternoon. Currently we don’t have any more information, we will let you know when we have more information.

 

Rest in Peace, my friend.

 

Christo Vorster


Re: [Solved] Activating the Mouse with NVDA

Jonathan COHN
 

This site is usingaccessiBe overlay to modify their page. Jonathan Mosen did a entire show just about this overlay. I have a few opinions on this, but will be refraining and speaking them here.

On Apr 10, 2021, at 13:10, David Russell <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello NVDA,

For the sake of update or summary, thanks everyone for your input into
this topic.
I am curious to know a little more about the option to use what is
called 'screen reader mode.'
Is this a way for websites to make their offerings or content more
accessible to those using screen readers?

Can a website detect when someone is visiting their website and
cookies gather what browser they are using and specialized
peripherals?
On Thursday, it appeared I was just one of the fray interested in
applying to webull.com. On Friday, the screen reader mode option was
read to me.

I gather from the information in the NVDA manual, and that found at
other websites like computer hope.com, that there are different ways
to use the mouse together with NVDA. Is that a correct assumption?

Like Sarah, I too learn what I have to do in order to accomplish what
I do on the computer or any mobile device. Hence, my skills, too, are
perhaps limited or defined.

I will check back when the daily summary appears in my inbox on Sunday
to read what replies may appear. Again, much thanks!

--
David C. Russell, Author





Re: [Solved] Activating the Mouse with NVDA

 

On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 10:28 PM, tim wrote:
And yes, in college your are expected to know some stuff. They don't spoon feed.
-
And the issue of spoon-feeding aside, as I don't think that's exactly what's being asked for here, there is, as I have asserted earlier, every reason for software developers for Windows, in the year 2021, to believe that they do not and should not have to discuss certain Windows basics as part of their training manuals and certain terminology, either.

People can, and will, occasionally have gaps in their knowledge.  I have gaps in my knowledge.  I had to get a lot of instruction on the concept of the virtual cursor when I first started working with screen readers.  But I don't expect that the documentation on how to use a screen reader is likely even to discuss the virtual cursor because it's an "under the hood" feature that the end user really has no need to know much about in "daily driving" with a screen reader.

If something is unfamiliar in a given piece of documentation then the appropriate course of action is to ask about it.  Sometimes, and only sometimes, it is absolutely apropriate to update the documentation.  Others it's appropriate to leave it be because the majority of readers will know the terminology already, or ask about it once.  That's why it's always handy to have a section dedicated to standard notation in a given piece of documentation as abbreviations often get used, e.g., NVDA+{whatever}, where NVDA in that context could be either INSERT or CAPS LOCK, depending on the keyboard layout.  But I don't want, "NVDA+N (INSERT+N for desktop, CAPS LOCK+N for laptop keyboard layouts, respectively)" everywhere NVDA+N is used.  There is every reason that the reader of something like the NVDA User Guide should have probably either reviewed, or will look up, the concept of the NVDA key when they're unfamiliar with that notation.

You cannot and should not presume "blank slates" when writing documentation because it then becomes an ever expanding task when you cannot make reasonable base assumptions about the skill sets of individuals coming to that documentation. 
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


[Solved] Activating the Mouse with NVDA

David Russell
 

Hello NVDA,

For the sake of update or summary, thanks everyone for your input into
this topic.
I am curious to know a little more about the option to use what is
called 'screen reader mode.'
Is this a way for websites to make their offerings or content more
accessible to those using screen readers?

Can a website detect when someone is visiting their website and
cookies gather what browser they are using and specialized
peripherals?
On Thursday, it appeared I was just one of the fray interested in
applying to webull.com. On Friday, the screen reader mode option was
read to me.

I gather from the information in the NVDA manual, and that found at
other websites like computer hope.com, that there are different ways
to use the mouse together with NVDA. Is that a correct assumption?

Like Sarah, I too learn what I have to do in order to accomplish what
I do on the computer or any mobile device. Hence, my skills, too, are
perhaps limited or defined.

I will check back when the daily summary appears in my inbox on Sunday
to read what replies may appear. Again, much thanks!

--
David C. Russell, Author


locked Braille Display for donation

John J. Boyer
 

Hello,

It's a Pac Mate display, complete with cable and the rest of the Pac Mate. It is in good condition, but it has been used a lot and needs cleaning.
Please contact me offlist at
john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org

Thanks,
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that are available at no cost


reporting word number automatically.

farhan israk
 

I am using latest nvda and microsoft word 2016. Is it possible to change settings so that nvda will announce word numbers automatically after each 5 or 10 words?


reporting selection and format on powerpoint 2016

farhan israk
 

I am using windows 10 20h2, latest nvda and microsoft powerpoint 2016. Nvda does not report which slide I am selecting from thumbnail. If I click ctrl + b, nvda does not announce bold on or off. If I strike through any text, nvda does not announce which text i have done so.


Re: Silent Installation

Chris
 

Make sure you have two dashes at the start of the switch, like

 

 

Nvda_setup.exe --install-silent

 

 

From: Steven Hicks
Sent: 10 April 2021 16:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Silent Installation

 

Hi friends,

 

I Tried a silent install on the .exe file for the latest version using –install-silent but it didn’t seem to do anything, no desktop shortcut, has anyone had this working?

 

 


Silent Installation

Steven Hicks
 

Hi friends,

 

I Tried a silent install on the .exe file for the latest version using –install-silent but it didn’t seem to do anything, no desktop shortcut, has anyone had this working?

 


Re: Word, reading table description

Sandra Pilz
 

Hi Ben,


Thanks for your help, I didn't know this shortcut. It even works when I don't activate Browse Mode.


Regards


Sandra

Am 09.04.2021 um 23:20 schrieb benmoxey@...:

Hi Sandra

 

  1. Activate Browse mode by using the toggle, NVDA + space.
  2. Press NVDA + D )(for delta) from within the table.

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sandra Pilz
Sent: Saturday, 10 April 2021 6:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Word, reading table description

 

Hello,

 

When I create a table in Microsoft word, provide an alternative text and a description in the table properties, NVDA will announce the alternative Text as I navigate to the table and it will also say "has description". However, I am not sure what I would need to do in order to hear or read the description. Can someone help?

 

Thank you.

 

Sandra


Re: [Solved] Activating the Mouse with NVDA

tim
 

I can under stan some not knowing, because if you used a laptop not all have num pads.
Personally I don't like them, about ripped a pinky off speed typing.

On 4/9/2021 6:12 PM, David Moore wrote:
I was totally blind in high school in the early '80s! I learned then, that the Slash and star keys Ment divide or multiply! I don't remember how, either someone told me, but I did a lot of calculations on in IBM PC in the middle 80s. I cannot imagine that a totally blind person could use a computer for any length of time and not know that! This concerns me a great deal! I have always had many sided friends, family, and others describing things for me! I believe that is the root problem here for so many blind individuals. They do not have enough sided people in their life describing and interacting with what they do as a blind person. I have cited friends who I have taught English one Braille to, alphabet and numbers, and they can use a slate and stylus. These friends are so interested in how I do things. I think we need to learn how a sided person sees, does, and how the sided persons experience is when they work with technology. It really helps me, I know that, to visualize in if I know how a screen of a phone looks to a sided person, it helps me so much to visualize that in my head. Caveat, though, I did have a little reading vision until I was 12. Maybe that is the entire difference for me, I don't know! I actually learned as a child how everything looked like in print! I wonder if that makes a difference right there! Take care guys, very interesting discussion.
On Fri, Apr 9, 2021, 5:56 PM Gene <gsasner@gmail.com <mailto:gsasner@gmail.com>> wrote:
I see no reason to believe I am unique.  I took a good training
course, I
looked at screen-reader documentation in the late nineties when I
was first
learning Windows, and I didn't have the slash and star keys
described as
divide or multiply.  I learned it later, I don't recall how.  for all I
know, I may have learned it by using the key describer.  On what do
you base
your contention or assumption that blind computer users generally
know this?
All I said is that the keys be identified as both when discussing mouse
movement.  that is not unreasonable, given what I suspect is the
experience
of a good many blind people.  If your impression is based on formerly
sighted people knowing this, that isn't a valid basis.  People who were
blind when they start learning about computers may well not have
been taught
these numpad keys as mathematical functions.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2021 11:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Activating the Mouse with NVDA
On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 12:49 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I don't use, and have never used a number pad-
Which, Sarah, makes you a member of a very tiny minority of computer
users,
sighted or blind.   Again, knowing when one is far from the mean in
a bell
curve distribution is a pretty vital skill.
One does not create documentation "for the masses" that covers each and
every rare eventuality.  In fact, if one wants it to be as succinct as
possible, one avoids doing precisely that.
--
Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042
Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win
unless
you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.
       ~ Richard M. Nixon


Re: [Solved] Activating the Mouse with NVDA

tim
 

True, the only way someone would know them keys is if you used a accounting calculator, because the num pad is laid out the same key pattern.
That is why you see the same key pattern on standard 104 keyboards.
I learned it in accounting classes, and when I taught dos/windows it was never gone over in class. Assumed, because typing being a requirement. And yes, in college your are expected to know some stuff. They don't spoon feed.


Re: [Solved] Activating the Mouse with NVDA

Luke Davis
 

Back to the original issue, David Russell wrote:

Gene, and all, the problem occurs with this application form, (see
sample in my previous post) that each question has the "choose one"
command. The combo-box may be embedded on the line that says, choose
one.
Along with the excellent suggestions from others, may I suggest that when you get to the line with the combo box on it, you press the letter f, to jump to the next formfield? This might move you to whatever these combo boxes are.
Then try the space key to "activate" them (or do as others have suggested).

I do remind you to check your browse mode settins, and make sure you have "use browse mode on page load" checked. Also perhaps uncheck the one before it: "use screen layout when supported".
I described the first of these in an earlier message to you.

> I was using page down and enter, or enter and page down to

I'm not sure where you got page down in this context, but I'm pretty sure it has no value for moving between or within fields, and in fact will make you miss lots of content.

If I down arrow, as in the sample sent, other questions follow until
the end and one reads
Continue
Continue should say "button" after it. If it doesn't, your settings are very strange.

Luke, I am reluctant to try the thing you suggested in NVDA tools, I
am unaware of that feature.
It's in the user manual. And it can't hurt anything.
But that's your choice.

Luke

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