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Re: Unable to set column header in office13 in windows10

Aravind R
 

Friends, i tried by checking addons and found out that append to text
addon creates the problem and moreover, i have no idea how to append
text from already copied text in clipboard using that addon hence
removing that is not a loss to me and now insert+shift+c for setting
column headers in excel is working. Now another strange problem
happened. i want to install cloud OCR to read unlabled objects inside
my bank system which promisses to do using ctrl+shift+r command. but
after installing that addon, excel row heading setter command
insert+shift+r stopped working and i removed that cloud OCR addon. i
wonder how ctrl+shift+r command clashes with excel row heading setting
command?

On 2/21/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
As Bernd said, there should be more in the log - only the first line is
there in the message.

Which add-ons do you have? It sounds like something isn't working as it
should.

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 10:58 PM Aravind R <aravind.andhrabank@...>
wrote:

yes sir thank you very much. its working after disabling addons with
shortcut key insert+shift+c.
i thought it is problem with windows10 as i tried excel only after
installing all basic NVDA addons. today, i tried with jaws
insert+ctrl+alt+c which worked perfectly then i determined problem is
with some setting in NVDA.
Then as you suggested i disabled addon and its working now but its
getting crashed or not working after i enter into addon manager and
come out even without enabling any addon which is a big wonder to me.
This line is getting generated in log sir.
INFO - __main__ (17:21:59.049):


On 2/20/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Are you using NVDA 2018.4.1 or an alpha build?

When did you notice it stopped working (or had you not tried before?)

When you are trying to set headers, do you definitely only have one
cell
selected? It won't work if you have more than one cell (only select
that
cell that will be the first header - the leftmost cell for column
headers
or topmost cell for row headers).

Are you using any add-ons? I'm not aware of any that should conflict
with
this, but it could be worth trying restarting NVDA with add-ons
disabled
just to check - press NVDA+Q, then down arrow to "restart NVDA with
add-ons
disabled" and press ENTER, then try your spreadsheet again. If it
works,
check for updates to your addons, or try enabling one at a time.

Otherwise, a copy of your log may help (you can find out more here:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps) - feel
free to
email to me at info@... directly.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 8:47 PM Aravind R
<aravind.andhrabank@...>
wrote:

Dear friends,

upto the insert+shift+c for setting column header is not working in
windows10 latest NVDA version where the row header key insert+shift+r
is working.
Kindly provide us the step to rectify this.

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Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

Kwork
 

Right. I remember that name now. Thank you both.

On 2/20/2019 12:33 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Precisely. Clipspeak is the name of the add-on I was talking about.

Cheers,
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Em 20/02/2019 16:12, Mohamed escreveu:

I think you're referring to Clipspeak?

On 2/20/2019 12:56 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Using fake clipboard announcement it does exactly what you described. That is, it speaks the command regardless it has worked or not.
However, there is an add-on which also does exactly what you described after the first, I just can't remember its name right now.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 20/02/2019 14:49, Kwork escreveu:
But do any of these add-ons speak the result of the action itself, or just the keyboard command when pressed?

When I tried one, I realized that it would say "copied to clipboard," whether the action had been completed successfully or not. When I used to use JAWS, if the program said "copied" after pressing ctrl+c, I knew I could believe it. With the NVDA add-on, it spoke the action, but didn't know for sure if it worked or not, which many times it did not. If this has been somehow fixed, that would be a great aid as NVDA's silence can be somewhat irritating until verifying what's on the clipboard with NVDA+c. I'd love it to not only echo the key action.

Another thing I'd like to see in NVDA is for the first part of a large block of text being read out when NVDA+c is pressed. As of now it tells you the number of characters, but that's all. If you are moving large portions of text at a time, it would be nice to have some confirmation of at least some of it, maybe the first 100 characters or so. Even the full text would be ok as anything past what you'd want to hear can be easily silenced by the user with the control key.

Travis

On 2/20/2019 10:30 AM, Mallard wrote:

Hello there,


Is it tha the command doesn't work, or that its result isn't announced?


There are some add-ons to make NVDA announce when text is copied to clipboard or pasted.


The one I use is called


FakeClipboardannouncement.


hth, ciao,

Ollie












Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

Gene
 

There are two add-ons.  There is an old one that just speaks the aaction.  there is a newer one that speaks that action itself.  When it doesn't detect a change, it announces no change, when copying or cutting.  When you paste, if there is nothing to paste, it announces something like no text on clipboard.  This should be changed to something like nothing in clipboard because of its use to paste files as well as text.
 
I can't tell you how unnecessarily annoying it is not to have the announcement, to copy many files or a folder to the clipboard, try to paste them somewhere else, only to have the previous files placed in the wrong location because for some reason copy didn't work and there was no way to know that.  It is not necessarily at all convenient, finding and deleting many files copied to the wrong place that were already pasted to the right place in the previous operation.  As I said, this is an important feature.
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

But do any of these add-ons speak the result of the action itself, or
just the keyboard command when pressed?

When I tried one, I realized that it would say "copied to clipboard,"
whether the action had been completed successfully or not. When I used
to use JAWS, if the program said "copied" after pressing ctrl+c, I knew
I could believe it. With the NVDA add-on, it spoke the action, but
didn't know for sure if it worked or not, which many times it did not.
If this has been somehow fixed, that would be a great aid as NVDA's
silence can be somewhat irritating until verifying what's on the
clipboard with NVDA+c. I'd love it to not only echo the key action.

Another thing I'd like to see in NVDA is for the first part of a large
block of text being read out when NVDA+c is pressed. As of now it tells
you the number of characters, but that's all. If you are moving large
portions of text at a time, it would be nice to have some confirmation
of at least some of it, maybe the first 100 characters or so. Even the
full text would be ok as anything past what you'd want to hear can be
easily silenced by the user with the control key.

Travis

On 2/20/2019 10:30 AM, Mallard wrote:

> Hello there,
>
>
> Is it tha the command doesn't work, or that its result isn't announced?
>
>
> There are some add-ons to make NVDA announce when text is copied to
> clipboard or pasted.
>
>
> The one I use is called
>
>
> FakeClipboardannouncement.
>
>
> hth, ciao,
>
> Ollie
>
>
>
>
>



Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

Gene
 

The way to do it is to incorporate the add-on that announces this into the source of the program or modify it and place it in source.  or if desired, though it is probably redeveloping the weel, developing the ability independently in the screen-reader.  A lot of users will never know about the add-on. 
 
The designers and developers refuse to do so, last I knew, because of the claim, incorrect, that the announcement of when text is copied, cut, or pasted, cannot be reliably known for screen-readers.  I have stated before, from years of use with JAWS and I know that System Access does as well, that this can be accurately done.  The add-on, is usually accurate as well.  I'm not sure if it is every single time but I have never or almost never seen an error after something like eight months or more of regular use.
Perhaps others verifying this would finally convince developers that this can be accurately done.  This is an important ability and should be added yesterday..

From: Jackie
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

Well, weirdly enough, it does do this in Firefox, but not in Word,
Notepad, etc. They really should make that consistent, & they should
make it suchvvv that announcement could be toggled on/off as desired.

On 2/20/19, marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21@...> wrote:
> I can confirm that, at least without an add-on to do it, NVDA doesn't
> announce anything when we perform such operations (cut, copy, paste etc.).
> What did you do to have these announcements?
>
> Cheers,
> Marcio
> Follow me on Twitter <https://twitter.com/firirinfonfon>
>
> Em 20/02/2019 14:13, Jackie escreveu:
>> It does announce "copy to clipboard".
>>
>> On 2/20/19, Roger Stewart <paganus2@...> wrote:
>>> I've been using NVDA since 2012 and never had this problem. However,
>>> NVDA will not announce anything like "copied to clipboard" so you might
>>> not think anything has happened, but it does still work normally. When
>>> you paste the text, you'll find it all worked.
>>> Roger
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/20/2019 10:54 AM, Ryan Boudwin wrote:
>>>> Hey everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I recently swapped from JAWS to NVDA because it seems to work better
>>>> for me for certain web applications that I use for work.
>>>>
>>>> However, whenever NVDA is running I have noticed that CTRL-C no longer
>>>> works for copying text to the clipboard.
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone else ever had this problem? Is there a command I need to
>>>> bind to a different keystroke to make the normal copy functionality
>>>> work again? It works normally whenever NVDA is not running.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Ryan Boudwin
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

Gene
 

Without the add-on, it will announce in certain contexts, such as when using Browse mode, as on a web page, and not where browse mode isn't used.
 
also, if the amount of text isn't too large, you can have what is on the clipboard read with the command NVDA key c.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

I can confirm that, at least without an add-on to do it, NVDA doesn't announce anything when we perform such operations (cut, copy, paste etc.).
What did you do to have these announcements?

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 20/02/2019 14:13, Jackie escreveu:
It does announce "copy to clipboard".

On 2/20/19, Roger Stewart <paganus2@...> wrote:
I've been using NVDA since 2012 and never had this problem. However,
NVDA will not announce anything like "copied to clipboard" so you might
not think anything has happened, but it does still work normally. When
you paste the text, you'll find it all worked.
Roger











On 2/20/2019 10:54 AM, Ryan Boudwin wrote:
Hey everyone,

I recently swapped from JAWS to NVDA because it seems to work better
for me for certain web applications that I use for work.

However, whenever NVDA is running I have noticed that CTRL-C no longer
works for copying text to the clipboard.

Has anyone else ever had this problem? Is there a command I need to
bind to a different keystroke to make the normal copy functionality
work again? It works normally whenever NVDA is not running.

Best regards,

Ryan Boudwin






Re: CLARITY OF TERMINOLOGY AND DOCUMENTATION

Gene
 

This list has its own chat list associated.  The chat list is probably very low traffic.  I think it would make much more sense to join that one and move chats there so as not to get onto a list that probably has much more traffic so that chats can be moved from this list to the chat list and users won't join lists that may have a lot of traffic they aren't interested in.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] CLARITY OF TERMINOLOGY AND DOCUMENTATION

Dear Antony & List:

I am referring your query regarding whether a translator, interpreter & reviser need to know the language the document or dialogue is in better than the language they are translating it into, or vice versa.

Mr. Alan Conway is a retired Translator, Interpreter & Reviser, that is, an editor of translated work retired from The Debates Reporting Service, House of Commons, Parliament Hill, and Ottawa, Ontario. They are the equivalent of The House Of Representatives, Capitol Hill, and Washington DC USA. In Portugal, they may be called The Chamber of Deputies or whatever the lower chamber of Parliament in Lisbon is called.

He has done much interpreting, translating & revising, if anyone can explain how Professional Translators, Interpreters & Revisers work, Alan is your person!

As this discussion is about translation, revision etc. I think we should move it to either a list focusing on these subjects or afcb-chat@... where almost anything may be discussed.


Brian K. Lingard VE3YI, Ab2JI, B.. A., C. T. M.


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Antony Stone
Sent: February 19, 2019 5:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CLARITY OF TERMINOLOGY AND DOCUMENTATION

I believe this to be completely the wrong way round.

A professional translator should be a native speaker of the language they are
Translating TO and a very competent speaker of the language/s they are
Translating FROM.

The reason is simple - they are creating their own work in the destination
Language, and that needs to be flawless to another native speaker of that
Language.  Anyone writing in a second language is going to make more mistakes
Alternatively, come up with more curious constructions than a native speaker is.


Antony.

On Tuesday 19 February 2019 at 11:14:18, Brian K. Lingard wrote:

> Dear Rui & List:
> Professional translators or interpreters and revisers, editors of
> translated work, need to speak, read & write the language they are
> interpreting from, normally their "A" language their Mother Tongue as
Well as their "B" or "C" language, they are translating to.
>
> For this reason, a person translating an English user manual needs to
> speak, read & write English as their Mother tongue. They would not
> Normally be Portuguese. They must recognize the idioms of the language.
>
> For example, a radio station with the slogan:
> New York Spells NEWS might translate this into {Portuguese as New York
> Means NEWS, or New York is always newsworthy! As opposed to the literal
> Translation, New York spells NEWS!
>
> In Spanish, it would be Nuevo York espelle Noticia! However, saying Nuevo
> York is always worthy of Noticia might get the meaning across more
> Accurately.
>
> Friend of mine, a professional Interpreter translator & reviser, Engl0ish
> Into French, interpreted a meeting about the switch as being about le
> Commutator, a light switch. Partway through the meeting, it dawned on him
> They were discussing a telephone-switching machine, not a light switch!
> True it switches, but it connects telephone calls, does not turn the
> Lights on or off! He said man, did he feel dumb@!
>
> If the meeting had been about railways, it might have talked about the
> Switch, however a railway switch, which lets a train, go from one track to
> Another is also called Points or Track Points! If you hand a railway
> Locomotive engineer a LIGHTSWITCH when he says he needs a switch, he will
> explain he needs Points to go to another track, not something to turn the
> Lights on and off! Brian K. Lingard VE3YI, Ab2JI, B. A., C. T. M.
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Rui
> Fontes Sent: February 16, 2019 11:15 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] CLARITY OF TERMINOLOGY AND DOCUMENTATION
>
> Yes, if I can find a professional translator specialized in assistive
> Technology the result should be good, but at least in Portugal we do not
> have that...
>
> Rui
>
> Às 15:57 de 16/02/2019, Brian Vogel escreveu:
> > Rui,
> >
> >           No criticism of you, but of the "professional" translators
> >
> > You
> > used:  Attempts to do "literal translation" are about as
> > Unprofessional as you can get.
> >
> >           The job of a professional translator, which you are showing
> >
> > Yourself to be in this context, is to bring the concept, in as much
> > Fullness as possible, across languages.  That often involved very
> > Intentional choices to dump literal, word by word or even phrase by
> > Phrase translation.  The object is to convey shared understanding, and
> > You are trying to do that admirably.
> >
> >            Then again, to give professional translators who may be
> >
> > having difficulty here some credit, they are not tech geeks, either.
> > How would someone who has no idea of what "input gestures" is supposed
> > To convey be able to accurately translate it conceptually?   In
> > Order to translate well you have to have some idea of the meaning, not
> > Just the written structure, of what it is you are translating.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Brian

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Re: having problems with re capture demo page

Gene
 

Allowing popups may have helped, I don't know.  Whatever the case, this will happen if you submit too many incorrect entries.  It will happen also for perhaps the reason stated in the below message.  But I do know that if you submit too many incorrect solutions, you won't be able to submit more for a certain amount of time.  So if you can do so at first, and then you can't. trying later will again allow you to do so.  Therefore, if an audio challenge is difficult, you may want to try submitting a solution once and then getting another one rather than trying multiple times with the current one.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] having problems with re capture demo page

I just did this 2 days ago when signing up for wwv, (no that is not a mis type) and did not get the issue. using safari, or in this case, used safari. I have seen this before. I was urged to allow pop ups by the tech support guys when I last got this. i did that and it worked. I then turned on my blocker afterwords.

On 20 Feb 2019, at 7:39, Buddy Brannan wrote:

This is not correct at all.

I have only one Google account, and have been getting this same message, mind you only when selecting “Get an audio challenge”, on both Chrome and Safari. Google have clearly broken something here.

On Feb 19, 2019, at 4:52 PM, Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...> wrote:

The browser you're using has multiple Google accounts cookied. You have to visit the Google.com page and logout/remove any extra Google accounts. Then make sure only your main Google account is cookied on that browser.



On 2/19/2019 4:48 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi guys

I was asked on another list if people are having problems with re capture in this case he sent me a demo page and nvda reports unavailable in all editable sections it reads out the section. also down where you check the check box to say you are not a bot or what ever it is as soon as you check it it takes you to another page where it wants you to try and pass either a text bassed one or a audio one but then gives you a message saying

Part of the message below. He gets this on other websites with capture .

What happens is that I get a message that says we can't process your query because a computer on your network might be sending automated queries. I don't believe anything here is doing that. I've read that one of the ways reCAPTCHA uses to try to tell that we're not a robot is to look at your mouse movements. But of course I'm not using a mouse so it might look like I'm a robot. Maybe some people might agree but let's not go there right now.

Is it on there side and they have broken it? I also tried some other browsers same sort of results with the latest stable version of nvda.

There is a link in the email to the demo page.

https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api2/demo





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Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

Jackie
 

Quentin, you wrote:
"Did you mention in one email further in the thread that copying with
control+c is working in Word but not Firefox?  "

I did. The copy/paste function works in both cases, but only in
firefox does NVDA speak "copied (or pasted) to (or, in the case of
paste, from) clipboard".

On 2/20/19, Ryan Boudwin <ryanboudwin@...> wrote:
I am not using any addons. I checked the github and the issue Quentin
mentioned is exactly what is happening. Here's the link to the known issue:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/1464

I am a low vision user and still use the mouse for some tasks; I've
confirmed the CTRL-C issue is only a problem with text I have selected with
the mouse, just as reported in issue 1464 above.

Thanks for the help everyone.

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 3:21 PM Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>
wrote:

Did you mention in one email further in the thread that copying with
control+c is working in Word but not Firefox? Do you happen to be
selecting text with the mouse? There is a known issue where if you
select
text with the mouse on the web, pressing CONTROL+C doesn't work with NVDA
running. In that case, what you can do is either right click or press
the
applications key to open the context menu, and choose "copy".

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 3:57 AM Ryan Boudwin <ryanboudwin@...>
wrote:

Hey everyone,

I recently swapped from JAWS to NVDA because it seems to work better for
me for certain web applications that I use for work.

However, whenever NVDA is running I have noticed that CTRL-C no longer
works for copying text to the clipboard.

Has anyone else ever had this problem? Is there a command I need to bind
to a different keystroke to make the normal copy functionality work
again?
It works normally whenever NVDA is not running.

Best regards,

Ryan Boudwin

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Re: having problems with re capture demo page

 

Its actually better security wise to have each person with 1 computer and 1 account unless you have some suite like norton and limited accounts for the system and 1 admin account.

I know people and friends that have done this.

Sadly I have had to service computers with teenagers on them with accounts limited and otherwise and they are a lot more work than standard adult users.

More viruses and spyware, and therefore more dammaged data, more reformats,  more cracked software, etc.

I can get the situation where something is screwing up a system because of a hole in it, and not only do the users not know what it is, they don't know why it was there in the first place.

On 20/02/2019 8:45 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
That seems a bit odd, since many family computers will have multiple accounts, I'd have thought.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenny" <kwashingtonbox@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] having problems with re capture demo page


The browser you're using has multiple Google accounts cookied. You have
to visit the Google.com page and logout/remove any extra Google
accounts. Then make sure only your main Google account is cookied on
that browser.


On 2/19/2019 4:48 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi guys

I was asked on another list if people are having problems with re
capture in this case he sent me a demo page and nvda reports
unavailable in all editable sections it reads out the section. also
down where you check the check box to say you are not a bot or what
ever it is as soon as you check it it takes you to another page where
it wants you to try and pass either a text bassed one or a audio one
but then gives you a message saying

Part of the message below. He gets this on other websites with capture .

What happens is that I get a message that says we can't process your
query because a computer on your network might be sending automated
queries. I don't believe anything here is doing that. I've read that
one of the ways reCAPTCHA uses to try to tell that we're not a robot
is to look at your mouse movements. But of course I'm not using a
mouse so it might look like I'm a robot. Maybe some people might agree
but let's not go there right now.

Is it on there side and they have broken it? I also tried some other
browsers same sort of results with the latest stable version of nvda.

There is a link in the email to the demo page.

https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api2/demo



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Re: ccleaner ini minor update

 

No, you have to manually add that in.

On 20/02/2019 8:42 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Have they updated ccleaner to clean waterfox yet?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 5:12 PM
Subject: [nvda] ccleaner ini minor update


Hi.

This ini file is updated with the amazon kindle rulesets and windows defender ruleset additions.

Thats about all to see in this latest ccleaner release.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kbbbqs8blbyuev9/ccleaner.ini?dl=1






Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

Ryan Boudwin
 

I am not using any addons. I checked the github and the issue Quentin mentioned is exactly what is happening. Here's the link to the known issue: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/1464

I am a low vision user and still use the mouse for some tasks; I've confirmed the CTRL-C issue is only a problem with text I have selected with the mouse, just as reported in issue 1464 above.

Thanks for the help everyone.

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 3:21 PM Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Did you mention in one email further in the thread that copying with control+c is working in Word but not Firefox?  Do you happen to be selecting text with the mouse?  There is a known issue where if you select text with the mouse on the web, pressing CONTROL+C doesn't work with NVDA running.  In that case, what you can do is either right click or press the applications key to open the context menu, and choose "copy".

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 3:57 AM Ryan Boudwin <ryanboudwin@...> wrote:
Hey everyone,

I recently swapped from JAWS to NVDA because it seems to work better for me for certain web applications that I use for work.

However, whenever NVDA is running I have noticed that CTRL-C no longer works for copying text to the clipboard.

Has anyone else ever had this problem? Is there a command I need to bind to a different keystroke to make the normal copy functionality work again? It works normally whenever NVDA is not running.

Best regards,

Ryan Boudwin



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Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

Quentin Christensen
 

Did you mention in one email further in the thread that copying with control+c is working in Word but not Firefox?  Do you happen to be selecting text with the mouse?  There is a known issue where if you select text with the mouse on the web, pressing CONTROL+C doesn't work with NVDA running.  In that case, what you can do is either right click or press the applications key to open the context menu, and choose "copy".

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 3:57 AM Ryan Boudwin <ryanboudwin@...> wrote:
Hey everyone,

I recently swapped from JAWS to NVDA because it seems to work better for me for certain web applications that I use for work.

However, whenever NVDA is running I have noticed that CTRL-C no longer works for copying text to the clipboard.

Has anyone else ever had this problem? Is there a command I need to bind to a different keystroke to make the normal copy functionality work again? It works normally whenever NVDA is not running.

Best regards,

Ryan Boudwin



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Re: Unable to set column header in office13 in windows10

Quentin Christensen
 

As Bernd said, there should be more in the log - only the first line is there in the message.

Which add-ons do you have? It sounds like something isn't working as it should.

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 10:58 PM Aravind R <aravind.andhrabank@...> wrote:
yes sir thank you very much. its working after disabling addons with
shortcut key insert+shift+c.
i thought it is problem with windows10 as i tried excel only after
installing all basic NVDA addons. today, i tried with jaws
insert+ctrl+alt+c which worked perfectly then i determined problem is
with some setting in NVDA.
Then as you suggested i disabled addon and its working now but its
getting crashed or not working after i enter into addon manager and
come out even without enabling any addon which is a big wonder to me.
This line is getting generated in log sir.
INFO - __main__ (17:21:59.049):


On 2/20/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> Are you using NVDA 2018.4.1 or an alpha build?
>
> When did you notice it stopped working (or had you not tried before?)
>
> When you are trying to set headers, do you definitely only have one cell
> selected?  It won't work if you have more than one cell (only select that
> cell that will be the first header - the leftmost cell for column headers
> or topmost cell for row headers).
>
> Are you using any add-ons?  I'm not aware of any that should conflict with
> this, but it could be worth trying restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled
> just to check - press NVDA+Q, then down arrow to "restart NVDA with add-ons
> disabled" and press ENTER, then try your spreadsheet again.  If it works,
> check for updates to your addons, or try enabling one at a time.
>
> Otherwise, a copy of your log may help (you can find out more here:
> https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps) - feel free to
> email to me at info@... directly.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 8:47 PM Aravind R <aravind.andhrabank@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear friends,
>>
>> upto the insert+shift+c for setting column header is not working in
>> windows10 latest NVDA version where the row header key insert+shift+r
>> is working.
>> Kindly provide us the step to rectify this.
>>
>> --
>> --
>> nothing is difficult unless you make it appear so.
>>
>> r. aravind,
>>
>> Assistant manager
>> Department of sales
>> bank of baroda specialised mortgage store, Chennai.
>> mobile no: +91 9940369593,
>> email id : aravind_069@..., aravind.andhrabank@....
>> aravind.rajendran@....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
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> Training and Support Manager
>
> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
> www.nvaccess.org
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess
>
>
>
>


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nothing is difficult unless you make it appear so.

r. aravind,

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Department of sales
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mobile no: +91 9940369593,
email id : aravind_069@..., aravind.andhrabank@....
aravind.rajendran@....





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Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

Kerryn Gunness
 


for me it works
u just dont hear it sometimes
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 12:54 PM
Subject: [nvda] CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

Hey everyone,

I recently swapped from JAWS to NVDA because it seems to work better for me for certain web applications that I use for work.

However, whenever NVDA is running I have noticed that CTRL-C no longer works for copying text to the clipboard

Has anyone else ever had this problem? Is there a command I need to bind to a different keystroke to make the normal copy functionality work again? It works normally whenever NVDA is not running.

Best regards,

Ryan Boudwin


Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

 

The only place I could find a download link for the Fake Clipboard Announcement add-on is this page:  https://jeff.tdrealms.com/index.php?page=NVDA 
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Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

Mallard
 

Yes, I have that too, bu for some reason I prefer FakeClipboardAnnounce. By the way, mine speaks Spanish, and it says "Copiado" and "pegado"... I don't know why, but in any case I love that! (smile)

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 20/02/2019 20:39, Richard Wells ha scritto:

I really like the way Clip Contents Designer handles this. http://addons.nvda-project.org/files/get.php?file=ccd

On 2/20/2019 1:33 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Precisely. Clipspeak is the name of the add-on I was talking about.

Cheers,
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Em 20/02/2019 16:12, Mohamed escreveu:

I think you're referring to Clipspeak?

On 2/20/2019 12:56 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Using fake clipboard announcement it does exactly what you described. That is, it speaks the command regardless it has worked or not.
However, there is an add-on which also does exactly what you described after the first, I just can't remember its name right now.

Cheers,
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Em 20/02/2019 14:49, Kwork escreveu:
But do any of these add-ons speak the result of the action itself, or just the keyboard command when pressed?

When I tried one, I realized that it would say "copied to clipboard," whether the action had been completed successfully or not. When I used to use JAWS, if the program said "copied" after pressing ctrl+c, I knew I could believe it. With the NVDA add-on, it spoke the action, but didn't know for sure if it worked or not, which many times it did not. If this has been somehow fixed, that would be a great aid as NVDA's silence can be somewhat irritating until verifying what's on the clipboard with NVDA+c. I'd love it to not only echo the key action.

Another thing I'd like to see in NVDA is for the first part of a large block of text being read out when NVDA+c is pressed. As of now it tells you the number of characters, but that's all. If you are moving large portions of text at a time, it would be nice to have some confirmation of at least some of it, maybe the first 100 characters or so. Even the full text would be ok as anything past what you'd want to hear can be easily silenced by the user with the control key.

Travis

On 2/20/2019 10:30 AM, Mallard wrote:

Hello there,


Is it tha the command doesn't work, or that its result isn't announced?


There are some add-ons to make NVDA announce when text is copied to clipboard or pasted.


The one I use is called


FakeClipboardannouncement.


hth, ciao,

Ollie







Re: Graphics that contain links

 

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 02:49 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I think that in all my years of dealing with screen readers and web 
[oops, accidentally hit the post button] . . . web accessibility this is the first and only time I have even had the thought that "separate but equal" in terms of data presented was the best option, but for this I do.
 
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Re: Graphics that contain links

 

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 02:40 PM, <greg@...> wrote:
I wonder what would be most important to quickly glean by a visually impaired person using a screen reader to try and navigate through this content.
Greg,

            If by "this content" you're referring to the photographyoptions website, I honestly don't think there is one, at least not at present.  I am sure that some method could be come up with to allow screen readers to deal with moving targets and the like, but, personally, that seems to me to be a waste of time as it would still likely be terribly difficult to deal with for a blind end user.  There is no information that is shown on that site that could not be rearranged, and very easily, in a standard hierarchy of links, not unlike what you're used to dealing with in File Explorer when traversing the Folder/File tree.

            Were I asked to make this site accessible, that would actually be my approach, and placing a hidden link much like the common "Skip to Content" link that would say something like "Skip to screen reader accessible version of the site," instead.

             To my mind accessibility is about access to information, and in the specific case of that site, and its presentation idiom, trying to make the idiom accessible would more than likely end badly, while creating its equivalent database of information, in correctly arranged and accessible by existing means form, is a better use of time and effort.  I think that in all my years of dealing with screen readers and web acc 
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Re: Graphics that contain links

greg@...
 

Travis, what is an image map and what does it do?
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Re: Graphics that contain links

greg@...
 

Dang Brian, thank you for this very thoughtful reply.....and thank you for taking the time to pore over the site!  It has been bewildering to compare the gentle and patient guidance that I have received in this forum when it is compared to the stark "cold shoulder" that this content is often given by many State and Municipal governments that I try to do business with.  In other words, if the IT team at one of these entities does some kind of cursory accessibility test without actually using a screen reader....and sees that they can't use the tab key to move from element to element, the possibility of continuing to talk to that potential customer is often quashed.  I recognize that many of these government entities have their own graphics content providers and that the accessibility issue is often used as a convenient "objection" in the sales process.  Still I am committed to prioritizing steps for making this type of content more accessible. 

If you will agree that impatience might probably be a universal trait "afflicting" anybody who surfs the web, I wonder what would be most important to quickly glean by a visually impaired person using a screen reader to try and navigate through this content. I will give some thought to how ask the right questions and then start a new thread.  I am grateful for you an all of the people in this forum who have been willing to try and help me!

Cheers, Greg
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