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Re: table navigation issues
Patrick Le Baudour
Hi,
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not sure it is what you're looking for, but anyway, using firefox, tables in microsoft docs can't be browsed using table navigation, e.g. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/system.net.http.httpclient?view=netcore-3.1 for constructors properties, members, events, etc. It did work properly on at least one other browser - i think it was internet explorer. -- Patrick
Le 09/11/2020 à 09:25, Sean Murphy a écrit :
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Adobe Reader and NVDA
Jarek.Krcmar
Hello all in group,
I have a problem with an Adobereader. If I open a pdf file, Nvda says Avpage view. What I may do, for reading a text? -- Jarek
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Re: NVDA OCR with adobe image file
Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Quentin,
Thanks for esponding!
As soon as I opened the file, I received no response from within the file. I pressed down-arrow and then up-arrow and I got the message “Empty document” as you suggested. I then pressed NVDA + r and got the following response: “This document appears to be empty. It may be a scanned image that needs OCR or it may be a malformed document”
The Result line shows no data at all.
Would it be possible to share this file with you and see what you observe about it? The content is Irish so I don’t expect you to validate the text but, at least, you might be able to determine why the OCR is not happening.
All the best,
Cearbhall
m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, November 9, 2020 3:04 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA OCR with adobe image file
Try pressing NVDA+r when you first open the file and get the message about it being blank.
On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 11:09 AM Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...> wrote:
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Re: table navigation issues
Gene
I would think this isn't related to your project, but I see instances where things look like tables to sighted readers but are not, so a screen-reader can't read them in any sort of logical manner. How often this happens, I don't know and it may be to an extent the sites I happen to look at a good deal but it is nonetheless an accessibility issue to present something that looks like a table and isn't
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From: Sean Murphy Sent: Monday, November 09, 2020 2:25 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] table navigation issues All, I am seeking for examples where NVDA does not correctly navigate web tables. This is a project I am involved in at work. We are collecting good and bad examples of tables. So if you have any web pages with tables that NVDA does not work with. Please share.
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Re: wanted nvda for my windows 7 home basic
Sean Randall
Hi Quentin, Thanks for that. The page is perhaps slightly misleading in that the current support mentions 7 SP1, but the old version text refers to Xp and below, missing the initial release of 7, but I of course acknowledge it’s a very small point.
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Sent: 09 November 2020 03:21 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] wanted nvda for my windows 7 home basic
While everyone is correct that the latest NVDA 2020.3 works fine on Windows 7, that is Windows 7 with Service Pack 1 (SP1) installed.
If you happen to have just reformatted with your original Windows 7 media and haven't yet gone through the myriad of updates required before you get to SP1, then you will need NVDA 2017.3. There is a link to that on the download page as well: https://www.nvaccess.org/download/nvda/releases/2017.3/nvda_2017.3.exe
Kind regards
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Re: NVDA HOW TO SET THE STATUS LINE IN OUTLOOK
Sean Randall
Hi Christo You don’t mention what version of Outlook you’re using. In my Office 2019 at work, I can press f6 from my inbox to get to the status bar then, shift+f10 to right-clic it and choose the items I want.
Does that work to any degree, or perhaps someone will have a better solution. 😊 S.
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On Behalf Of Christo Vorster
Sent: 09 November 2020 06:25 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] NVDA HOW TO SET THE STATUS LINE IN OUTLOOK
Good morning group
I changed my email address recently. Before I made the change my status line read the number of unread messages.
After the change to the new address, when I read the status line it only tells me that I am in Outlook, but no mention of the number of messages, whether read or un read.
How can I change it so that I can hear the read and unread information?
Regards
Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa)
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table navigation issues
Sean Murphy
All,
I am seeking for examples where NVDA does not correctly navigate web tables. This is a project I am involved in at work. We are collecting good and bad examples of tables. So if you have any web pages with tables that NVDA does not work with. Please share.
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Re: How to spell out Roman numerals
Luke Davis
On Sun, 8 Nov 2020, Brian Vogel wrote:
I'd have to say that I disagree with you about regular expressions not being confusing, and particularly to those who don't have a programming backgroundOkay, I was probably too cavalier in saying that. They can be confusing, especially in the more advanced concepts. I have been using them for nearly 25 years, and I still have to refresh myself on certain details from time to time. But the basics of what they are doing does not have to be confusing. You can learn to pick them apart and understand more about what's going on then just seeing a pile of weird parentheticals and punctuations. You may not always understand the depths of some esoteric construction, but i believe the basics can be learned without a programming background, at least enough to use them for solving moderate problems. Getting mad ninja skills with them takes years of familiarity, as does anything, even spoken languages. with regular expressions is clearly fresher and better than mine is.As you know from my private e-mail to you, while I can figure out how one can captureI don't know about that, but it may be more twisty. I started with writing and debugging expressions used in the very old days to fight email spam, before the big companies took over that business. Some of those expressions could be mind blowing, hair pulling, and thousands of characters long. I was very much thrown in the deep end and had to learn to swim or else. the Roman numerals one through four, or five through eight, with a single "compact" regular expression pattern match I have no idea how one would then haveAs far as I can tell, it can't be done except as we've done it. There is no cleaner way. Though I'd love to learn of one. soon as Janet had noted that her needed range was the Roman numerals one through ten, I took the easy way out, and a way that I felt was "moreI never saw that, not having received her messages. understandable" to the person who was going to used it.I only wish I could figure out a way to handle Roman numeral one reliably sans a delimiting colon. IAgreed. I suspect machine learning and neural nets would be the class of solutions preferred for that one. It does beg the question though: why in the world are we still using Roman Numerals? We don't have to carve straight lines into rock in order to record our numbers any more, for Jupiter's sake. But that's a question for another day, and another list. Luke
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Re: How to spell out Roman numerals
Luke Davis
On Sat, 7 Nov 2020, Brian Vogel wrote:
[Regarding my question about the use of \s?] My thinking it that there can be no whitespace after the colon, or an instance of a single whitespace character, but not multiple whitespace characters.Are you sure? Just using egrep -e on my local machine, all of the following expressions will match the string "test": .*st te.* \s?st te\s? I agree that one could probably use \b, but I was thinking "whitespace" and used whitespace matching.I understand why whitespace might be interesting there. But searching for it as optional, without an anchor or pre/post text, is the same as not searching for it at all. It is an old truism in regex building, that if your match potentially includes zero of something at the start or end of an expression, it may as well not be there unless there is an anchor. For example, my tests above, rewritten as: ^\s?st te\s?$ would fail as they should. But the naked zero space matches in the originals function exactly as a full wildcard (.*). Luke
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NVDA HOW TO SET THE STATUS LINE IN OUTLOOK
Christo Vorster
Good morning group
I changed my email address recently. Before I made the change my status line read the number of unread messages.
After the change to the new address, when I read the status line it only tells me that I am in Outlook, but no mention of the number of messages, whether read or un read.
How can I change it so that I can hear the read and unread information?
Regards
Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa)
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Re: wanted nvda for my windows 7 home basic
Quentin Christensen
While everyone is correct that the latest NVDA 2020.3 works fine on Windows 7, that is Windows 7 with Service Pack 1 (SP1) installed. Kind regards Quentin.
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Re: NVDA and Microsoft Office Outlook 2003
Quentin Christensen
In NVDA's advanced settings, there is an option to use UIA in Word. Outlook essentially uses Word to display messages, and I wonder if something is going funny in the older version of Office with this new setting: 1. Press NVDA+control+g to open NVDA's settings. 2. Press CONTROL+SHIFT+TAB to move from the first page to the last page, advanced. 3. Press space to check the "I understand that changing these settings may cause NVDA to function incorrectly" checkbox. 4. Press TAB to "Use UIA automation to access Microsoft Word document controls when available. 5. Press space to uncheck this. 6. Press ENTER to close settings 7. Press NVDA+contorl+c to save NVDA's settings. I'm not sure exactly why the freeze is happening, but I expect the reason it is happening as soon as you move focus to that problematic email in the list, is because Word is trying to show you a preview of the message in the preview page. To be honest, I can't recall the steps for Outlook 2003, but according to Google: "To turn off the preview pane: In Microsoft Outlook 2003 and 2007, select the View menu, navigate to Reading pane and click Off. In Windows Mail, click on the View menu and select Layout. Under the Preview Pane section, uncheck "Show preview pane"." Regards Quentin.
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Re: New Video: NVDA in Russia
Quentin Christensen
Thanks Carlos, My apologies Tony, we found a small error on one of the visuals (I used quotes from Anatoliy's interview as visuals for the video) and I fixed it, but discovered I couldn't simply update the video, I had to make it a whole new video and delete the original. Kind regards Quentin.
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Re: NVDA OCR with adobe image file
Quentin Christensen
Try pressing NVDA+r when you first open the file and get the message about it being blank.
On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 11:09 AM Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...> wrote:
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Re: How to spell out Roman numerals
Janet,
If you have not already entered those rules hold off on doing so for two reasons: 1. I have just learned that dictionary processing does not terminate after the first successful match, but continues down the list, using the substituted text for subsequent processing each time a match is found, until the end of the list is reached. So I need to consider the order again to make this successful. 2. It's likely I can remove the trailing colon requirement for all but Roman numeral one, unless it works better to assume it's there, then that needn't be changed The big problem here is really the Roman numeral one, and having some very clear way of differentiating it from the pronoun I, and that is not at all easy sans some other delimiter used with it to make that differentiation clear. I'm not going to work on this further until I see a response from you, as it's clear that this is going to be an iterative process until we nail down precisely what will work based on the text you're generally processing, which looks to be medical in nature. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Re: How to spell out Roman numerals
On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 01:20 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
The major problem with this approach is its lack of flexibility.Agreed. Using fixed word patterns is to be avoided when it can reasonably be avoided because you always end up not catching things you want to catch and vice versa. And even with regular expressions, that can often be the case, though more rarely, until you've actually encountered exception conditions you had never anticipated when writing them. Using a regular expression based method will likely be much more efficient. Even if you don't understand them, and don't want to take a couple hours to learn them (they only look confusing, they aren't really), you can ask someone to make one for you as was done here.I'd have to say that I disagree with you about regular expressions not being confusing, and particularly to those who don't have a programming background where they've had to deal with "abstract, multiple-possible patterns within a larger pattern," way of thinking. It took me a very long time to wrap my head around the more complex and nuanced aspects of regular expressions, and I've never dealt with recursive ones at all. The level of abstraction you start having to think about to craft regular expressions that are both pieces of art and often nightmarishly dense, even to the initiated, is cultivated slowly over time. And lots of the typical matches are not expressed in the documentation in the way that they'd be talked about in typical conversation. I was once "the regex maker" where I'd sit and have the person describe to me all (or as many as they knew of) the examples of what they wanted to catch, and when, then translating it to a regex. That is a non-trivial task once you get beyond the most basic matching. But you already know this, as your skill with regular expressions is clearly fresher and better than mine is. As you know from my private e-mail to you, while I can figure out how one can capture the Roman numerals one through four, or five through eight, with a single "compact" regular expression pattern match I have no idea how one would then have that match parsed out for replacement as individual letters. If you want the individual letters, things get much more messy. By the way, I absolutely love your solution for the generic case of a Roman Numeral that's 9 "Roman Digits" or fewer long, optionally followed by a letter, followed by the colon. But as soon as Janet had noted that her needed range was the Roman numerals one through ten, I took the easy way out, and a way that I felt was "more understandable" to the person who was going to used it. I only wish I could figure out a way to handle Roman numeral one reliably sans a delimiting colon. I can find no way to do that which doesn't require linguistic analysis rather than pattern matching. The pronoun I is just so common which makes it a nightmare. You can pretty much count on a capital I followed by a verb being the pronoun, not a Roman numeral, but there is no way I know of to express that in a regex. And I apologize to those who feel plowed under by these discussions of regular expressions. But since they are such a powerful feature of NVDA's pattern matching for the various dictionaries they do fall under the category of NVDA related and there may be readers who do want to know more about how they're used. If not, delete these messages or mute a topic once it deep dives into something like this discussion. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white. ~ Kelley Boorn
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Re: wanted nvda for my windows 7 home basic
Luke Davis
Standard NVDA will work fine for this. Get it at https://www.nvaccess.org/download
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On Sun, 8 Nov 2020, sazid shaik wrote:
can anyone kindly share me nvda for my windows 7 home basic. As I had formated my laptop hence it is little bit urgent please share as early as possible.
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Re: How to spell out Roman numerals
Luke Davis
The major problem with this approach is its lack of flexibility. You literally have to individually code every possible RN you might encounter so that it pronounces correctly. Otherwise, the first time you get an IXII you weren't expecting, the whole thing becomes ineffective.
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A secondary problem is that you will have issues any time you deal with a numbered list in Word or wherever, which includes lettered subpoints. A. This B. Is C. a D. Test Would come out as: A. This B. Is 100. a D. Test I believe, which would be disconcerting. Using a regular expression based method will likely be much more efficient. Even if you don't understand them, and don't want to take a couple hours to learn them (they only look confusing, they aren't really), you can ask someone to make one for you as was done here. Luke
On Sun, 8 Nov 2020, Gene wrote:
with a period afgter, the dictionary read iv as 4. This may be of considerable value for those who don't know how to work with regular expressions and want to make Roman numeral pronunciation rules that work properly. The only thing I can think of that shouldn't be placed in the dictionary is a single I and 1 in the pronounced as field. You would constantly hear I spoken as in One went to the store.
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Re: wanted nvda for my windows 7 home basic
Sean Randall
Hello Sazid The latest NVDA, available from https://www.nvaccess.org/download/ still supports Windows 7.
From: sazid shaik
Sent: 08 November 2020 13:16 36 To: nvda Subject: [nvda] wanted nvda for my windows 7 home basic
hello group members,
can anyone kindly share me nvda for my windows 7 home basic. As I had formated my laptop hence it is little bit urgent please share as early as possible.
thanks and regards,
sazid
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wanted nvda for my windows 7 home basic
sazid shaik
hello group members, can anyone kindly share me nvda for my windows 7 home basic. As I had formated my laptop hence it is little bit urgent please share as early as possible. thanks and regards, sazid
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