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Re: NVDA Goes Silent When Working with Outlook 2016 - Where does the fault lie?

 

Christo,

            I have retitled your post for both clarity and archive maintenance purposes.  I hope that someone will be able to assist in figuring this issue out.

            That being said, it has been asked that logs not be posted to the group, and I would ask you, and all members, to refrain from doing so in the future.  If an assistant needs a log or log segment, they will request it and it should be sent privately.  There are many times when NVDA logs can contain information that would be sensitive and that the end user would really not want to have out in public, and they'd have no way of knowing it's even there, and this is why we do not want public posting of full logs or log segments.  That, and there are mighty few members who have the expertise to interpret them, too.
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        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: Signing PDF documents with NVDA

Ali Colak
 

A question I would like to ask as well

On 11/10/20, Ali Savas <ali-savas@gmx.de> wrote:
Hi Community,

with the adobe Reader it is possible to sign PDF documents.
Unfortunately I have not found a way to do this with NVDA yet. Sighted
people have to drag the signature into the correct field.

Is there an accessible way to sign PDF documents with NVDA?

Thank you very much for your answer and have a wonderful day
Ali







NVDA Goes Silent When Working with Outlook 2016 - Where does the fault lie?

Christo Vorster
 

Good day Group

 

From time to time I find that NVDA keeps quiet while I work in MS Outlook 2016. When I press ALT-Tab twice it start speaking again, but it only reads the message my cursor is on. I copied the view log, hopefully someone can tell me whether it is a NVDA or Microsoft problem.

 

The log look as follows:

 

INFO - __main__ (15:05:18.440) - MainThread (8168):

Starting NVDA version 2020.3

INFO - core.main (15:05:24.668) - MainThread (8168):

Config dir: C:\Users\Christo Vorster\AppData\Roaming\nvda

INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (15:05:24.668) - MainThread (8168):

Loading config: C:\Users\Christo Vorster\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini

INFO - core.main (15:05:25.505) - MainThread (8168):

Using Windows version 10.0.19041 workstation

INFO - core.main (15:05:25.506) - MainThread (8168):

Using Python version 3.7.9 (tags/v3.7.9:13c94747c7, Aug 17 2020, 18:01:55) [MSC v.1900 32 bit (Intel)]

INFO - core.main (15:05:25.507) - MainThread (8168):

Using comtypes version 1.1.7

INFO - core.main (15:05:25.507) - MainThread (8168):

Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1

INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (15:05:28.562) - MainThread (8168):

Loaded synthDriver ibmeci

INFO - core.main (15:05:29.097) - MainThread (8168):

Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5 with six version 1.12.0

INFO - brailleInput.initialize (15:05:29.107) - MainThread (8168):

Braille input initialized

INFO - braille.initialize (15:05:29.109) - MainThread (8168):

Using liblouis version 3.14.0

INFO - braille.initialize (15:05:29.122) - MainThread (8168):

Using pySerial version 3.4

INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (15:05:29.167) - MainThread (8168):

Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.

INFO - core.main (15:05:29.987) - MainThread (8168):

Java Access Bridge support initialized

INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (15:05:30.056) - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThread (8396):

UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6

ERROR - mouseHandler.initialize (15:05:35.596) - MainThread (8168):

Error retrieving initial mouse object

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "mouseHandler.pyc", line 236, in initialize

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 285, in objectFromPoint

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 225, in findBestAPIClass

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 224, in findBestAPIClass

  File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 994, in kwargsFromSuper

  File "comtypesMonkeyPatches.pyc", line 26, in __call__

_ctypes.COMError: (-2147467259, 'Unspecified error', (None, None, None, 0, None))

INFO - core.main (15:05:35.876) - MainThread (8168):

NVDA initialized

ERROR - RPC process 12180 (nvda_slave.exe) (15:09:33.469) - Dummy-83 (7612):

__main__.main:

slave error

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 93, in main

  File "comHelper.pyc", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyc", line 180, in GetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 1245, in GetActiveObject

  File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 935, in GetResult

OSError: [WinError -2147221021] Operation unavailable

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa)


Re: latest version of vocalizer expressive driver for NVDA

Socheat Muth
 

You can browse to the direct download link of the driver from the main website as far as I'm aware. The only way to get the driver is to use this direct link:

https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.2.nvda-addon


Socheat

On 11/10/2020 9:22 AM, Jesse Farquharson wrote:

Hi,

This web address gives me a 404 error. I have checked and it exactly matches what is posted here.

Is there any way to translate the Tiflotecnia site into English? This would make grabbing stuff so much less maddening.


Signing PDF documents with NVDA

Ali Savas
 

Hi Community,

with the adobe Reader it is possible to sign PDF documents.
Unfortunately I have not found a way to do this with NVDA yet. Sighted
people have to drag the signature into the correct field.

Is there an accessible way to sign PDF documents with NVDA?

Thank you very much for your answer and have a wonderful day
Ali


Add-on updates: StationPlaylist 20.11.1/20.09.4-LTS, Windows 10 App Essentials will support Version 1909 until January 2021 #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

Two add-on updates:

  • StationPlaylist: versions 20.11.1 and 20.09.4-LTS are now available (the former is stable, the latter is long-term support version). These releases include initial support for StationPlaylist suite 5.50 and improves various add-on dialogs using features introduced in NVDA 2020.3. As always, the new update can be found via Add-on Updater.
  • Windows 10 App Essentials: Windows 10 Version 1909 (November 2019 Update) will be supported until January 2021. Originally end of support was December but was extended to January 2021 due to a need to prepare the add-on for future NVDA releases.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: latest version of vocalizer expressive driver for NVDA

Jesse Farquharson
 

Hi,

This web address gives me a 404 error. I have checked and it exactly matches what is posted here.

Is there any way to translate the Tiflotecnia site into English? This would make grabbing stuff so much less maddening.


Re: latest version of vocalizer expressive driver for NVDA

Chris Smart
 

oh sorry. I misunderstood.



On 2020-11-09 10:11 p.m., Samuel Villa wrote:

Not code factory voices. I meant the ones from tiflotechnia.


Re: latest version of vocalizer expressive driver for NVDA

Samuel Villa <sjv89550@...>
 

Not code factory voices. I meant the ones from tiflotechnia.


Re: latest version of vocalizer expressive driver for NVDA

mattias
 

i wonder if rui dont can answer this?

Den 10 november 2020 02:41:09 skrev "Socheat Muth" <socheat.mt.lc@...>:

I heard that the dev of vocalizer expressive says there will be a demo in the next driver releases, but I'm not sure when it's going to release. The driver on the main website haven't update for ages.

On 11/10/2020 5:22 AM, Samuel Villa wrote:

I don’t mean to complain, but when I install the driver and a voice it says that the demo expired. I really want to try this product. Could somebody try to get me in the right direction? Thanks.


Re: latest version of vocalizer expressive driver for NVDA

Socheat Muth
 

I heard that the dev of vocalizer expressive says there will be a demo in the next driver releases, but I'm not sure when it's going to release. The driver on the main website haven't update for ages.

On 11/10/2020 5:22 AM, Samuel Villa wrote:

I don’t mean to complain, but when I install the driver and a voice it says that the demo expired. I really want to try this product. Could somebody try to get me in the right direction? Thanks.


Re: latest version of vocalizer expressive driver for NVDA

mattias
 

you talk about tiflotecnia here. not codefactory. codefactory have 7 day trial

Den 9 november 2020 23:12:06 skrev "Gene" <gsasner@...>:

Not necessarily.  One of the companies that provides synthesizers uses a
system that it may not want to use.  I don't know why it does but it’s a
very bad system.

A new driver is released from time to time which runs until a certain date.
It is the same date for everyone, no matter when they install it.  If you
install it one day before the date, it will expire the next day.  If you
install it after it expires it won't work for any period of time.  That is
likely what the problem is and as far as I know, there is nothing to do but
wait for another driver.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Smart
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2020 4:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] lateest version of vocalizer expressive driver for NVDA

You must have tried it in the past.


consider buying the product.


Or, maybe write Code Factory a nice email and ask for an extension of the
demo period? It's worth a try.





On 2020-11-09 5:22 p.m., Samuel Villa wrote:

I don’t mean to complain, but when I install the driver and a voice it says
that the demo expired. I really want to try this product. Could somebody try
to get me in the right direction? Thanks.






locked Re: wanted nvda for my windows 7 home basic

 
Edited

After my own kinda rule-bending post, I am going to lock this topic since the essential question about NVDA is already answered, and Windows 7 is no longer in support.

That being said, and because this applies whether we're talking Windows, or the driver & software packages for your printer or multifunction, or whatever you should really never use anything that's on CD/DVD, as it's almost certain to be out of date by the time it lands in your hands.  All software makers are constantly updating their online repositories for their software until such goes out of support (and in the case of Windows 7 SP1, there was still a lot going on even after the formal date).

Windows 7 SP1 ISO files are available straight from the Microsoft Mothership at 

Download Windows 7 Disc Images (ISO Files)

Those are SP1 ISOs, and the ancient XP ones were SP3 (at least the last time I ever had need to even think about downloading them).  Since Windows 7 is no longer in support, and it is still possible to do an upgrade to Windows 10 using these instructions, Doing a Windows 10 Repair Install or Feature Update Using the Windows 10 ISO file, that's what I strongly suggest anyone still on Windows 7 do.  You can even do a completely clean install of Windows 10, supplying a Windows 7 or 8.1 license key when asked for one, and Windows 10 will activate.


Best practice is always to obtain a brand spankin' new copy of whatever software, direct from the maker's websites, rather than using any media that's handed to you (unless you know that what's been handed to you was created from the "end of the line" images by someone else).

This topic is now locked.

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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

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Re: Adobe Reader and NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

I'm not sure what Avpage view is?

Normally, when you open a PDF file, if it has been created properly and is accessible, you should be able to read it just like reading a Word document or web page.

If the document has been scanned as an image of text, NVDA will normally report this, and in that case you can press NVDA+r to run OCR on the document, and then use the standard reading and navigation keys to read the text (and press escape when done).

Otherwise if you could perhaps give more information about the error?

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 8:46 PM Jarek.Krcmar <Jarek.Krcmar@...> wrote:
Hello all in group,

I have a problem with an Adobereader.

If I open a pdf file, Nvda says Avpage view.

What I may do, for reading a text?


--
Jarek








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Training and Support Manager


locked Re: wanted nvda for my windows 7 home basic

Quentin Christensen
 

Good point - at the time it was changed, the need for a download for NVDA 2017.3 was primarily for XP users.  There is really no reason for Windows 7 users not to update to SP1, but of course, as you have found, on many Windows 7 CDs (all the ones I have used at least), SP1 is not included and indeed takes some time updating before it is downloaded and updated to.


On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 7:53 PM Sean Randall <srandall@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin,

Thanks for that. The page is perhaps slightly misleading in that the current support mentions 7 SP1, but the old version text  refers to Xp and below, missing  the  initial release of 7, but I of course acknowledge it’s a very small point.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 09 November 2020 03:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] wanted nvda for my windows 7 home basic

 

While everyone is correct that the latest NVDA 2020.3 works fine on Windows 7, that is Windows 7 with Service Pack 1 (SP1) installed.

 

If you happen to have just reformatted with your original Windows 7 media and haven't yet gone through the myriad of updates required before you get to SP1, then you will need NVDA 2017.3.  There is a link to that on the download page as well: https://www.nvaccess.org/download/nvda/releases/2017.3/nvda_2017.3.exe

 

Kind regards


Quentin.

 

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 5:29 AM Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:

Standard NVDA will work fine for this. Get it at
https://www.nvaccess.org/download

On Sun, 8 Nov 2020, sazid shaik wrote:

> can anyone kindly share me nvda for my windows 7 home basic.  As I had formated my laptop hence it is little bit urgent please share as early as possible.
>





 

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Re: How to spell out Roman numerals

 

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 02:53 AM, Luke Davis wrote:
why in the world are we still using Roman Numerals?
-
1. Because they look pretty on a clock face.
2. Because they are handy to differentiate parts of Outline structure.
3. Because of the vagaries that are the history of writing, whether jargon or regular.   If I see the word stage followed by a Roman numeral I immediately think cancer or other medical staging while if it's an Arabic numeral I think something else, whether a physical location, one of a number of options (stage 3 as opposed to stage 2 in multi-stage performing arts center), etc.

No one ever said natural language, or its conventions, "make perfect sense."   Heck, natural language, whether spoken or written, always involves unresolvable abiguity on the reader's or listener's end or else "misunderstandings" in the literal sense would not be possible.
 
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Re: How to spell out Roman numerals

 

Janet,

           Thanks for the follow-up.  I am now looking at this closely due to an unexpected peculiarity in how the pattern matching in the NVDA dictionary works.  The not substituting for the single letter I will help quite a bit, as the rest of the roman numerals will work.  By the way, I just realized after typing out the rest of the message that the two entries for RN 5 and RN 10 should be entered in your dictionary BEFORE the one that covers all the other RNs due to the peculiarity I allude to.

            Because the pronoun I is now out of the picture, I will suggest that you use a variant on Luke's proposed regular expression for matching, as it eliminates a number of issues related to the peculiarity to which I make reference.  Since you have said you only need the Roman numerals one through ten, and we've now dropped one/the pronoun I, I am going to modify his regular expression only to accommodate that, and make it shorter for copy and paste.  Were you looking for any Roman numeral up to 9 "Roman digits" long, I wouldn't even consider touching it.  Give this a try as the pattern, and I can omit the colon part of matching now, too:

\b([IXV])([IXV])([I])?([I])?([a-zA-Z])?\b

and this as the replacement:

\1 \2 \3 \4 \5

Oddly enough, the above will work for every Roman numeral between two and nine, except 5, because 5 is a single V followed by nothing, and also omits RN ten, because it's a single letter X, so you need two additional entries to cover those two.  Here's the pattern for RN 5:

\b(V)([a-zA-Z])?\b

and the replacement:

\1 \2

and for RN 10:

\b(X)([a-zA-Z])?\b

and the replacement:

\1 \2

All of the above presume the Roman numeral with possible optional letter afterward will be free-standing, that is, with whitespace (whether space, tab, newline, etc.) immediately before or after, at a word boundary.  Essentially they're their own "words."  If you know that you could have any specific punctuation coming immediately afterward, and know what specific punctuation marks are involved, I'd need to tweak to account for that.

Unless you're dealing with a text that includes Greek letter names written out, the above should not prove problematic.
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Re: latest version of vocalizer expressive driver for NVDA

Gene
 

Not necessarily. One of the companies that provides synthesizers uses a system that it may not want to use. I don't know why it does but it’s a very bad system.

A new driver is released from time to time which runs until a certain date. It is the same date for everyone, no matter when they install it. If you install it one day before the date, it will expire the next day. If you install it after it expires it won't work for any period of time. That is likely what the problem is and as far as I know, there is nothing to do but wait for another driver.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Smart
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2020 4:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] lateest version of vocalizer expressive driver for NVDA



You must have tried it in the past.




consider buying the product.




Or, maybe write Code Factory a nice email and ask for an extension of the demo period? It's worth a try.







On 2020-11-09 5:22 p.m., Samuel Villa wrote:


I don’t mean to complain, but when I install the driver and a voice it says that the demo expired. I really want to try this product. Could somebody try to get me in the right direction? Thanks.


Re: latest version of vocalizer expressive driver for NVDA

Chris Smart
 

You must have tried it in the past.


consider buying the product.


Or, maybe write Code Factory a nice email and ask for an extension of the demo period? It's worth a try.



On 2020-11-09 5:22 p.m., Samuel Villa wrote:

I don’t mean to complain, but when I install the driver and a voice it says that the demo expired. I really want to try this product. Could somebody try to get me in the right direction? Thanks.


Re: table navigation issues

 

Well I am on a food ordering service which I use.

The sight is really crankey and stupid.

On all brousers the edge etc the site will crash and windows will become unresponsive.

Even on chrome its really crashy.

On the tablet my dad uses its really slow so yeah, its the site being so slow when loading it literally times out what is acceptable and has a lot of other access niggles.

That being said the food and the company are good to work with and the food is good to eat but oh well.

On 9/11/2020 11:56 pm, Gerry wrote:
I get a similar problem on a banking site. I use latest MS Edge and when I use T for table and then try to navigate the table using Cntrl+Alt plus cursor arrows, nvda says, not in a table cell. I then have to navigate along the rows rather than up and down the rows. It is annoying, but I can still get what I want.

Gerry



On 09/11/2020 10:42, Sean Randall wrote:
This works fine for me in Chrome and Firefox.
My only annoyance is that t for table puts me on the caption, so I cannot immediately use CTRL+alt+cursors to navigate by row or column.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Le Baudour
Sent: 09 November 2020 10:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] table navigation issues

Hi,

not sure it is what you're looking for, but anyway, using firefox, tables in microsoft docs can't be browsed using table navigation, e.g.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/system.net.http.httpclient?view=netcore-3.1
for constructors properties, members, events, etc.
It did work properly on at least one other browser - i think it was internet explorer.

-- Patrick
Le 09/11/2020 à 09:25, Sean Murphy a écrit :
All,

I am seeking for examples where NVDA does not correctly navigate web
tables. This is a project I am involved in at work. We are collecting
good and bad examples of tables. So if you have any web pages with
tables that NVDA does not work with. Please share.




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