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locked Re: Question about SAPI 4 version of eloquence

Hareth
 

It works just fine on the latest win10 stable, as well as acapela's
bright speech super responsive sapi4 voices its as old or a little
newer.

On 5/28/21, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think it's gonna work with windows 10 so I won't take any
chances that it could harm my computer.



On 5/28/2021 11:07 AM, Hareth wrote:
its an ftp directory!
copy it,
paste it in the run edit box, and open it with the good old internet
explorer.


On 5/28/21, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
This link takes me nowhere.



On 5/28/2021 10:02 AM, Hareth wrote:
There you go:
ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/embedded_viavoice/

On 5/28/21, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
I meant I can't find the download link for it.



On 5/28/2021 8:48 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria via groups.io wrote:
I can't find the sownload link for it.



On 5/28/2021 8:38 AM, Crayton Benner via groups.io wrote:
Last time I tried it, it worked fine with windows 10 no problems.




On Friday, May 28, 2021, 11:31, Rosemarie Chavarria
<knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:

Will it work with windows 10 or is it for older systems?



On 5/28/2021 7:16 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
also did you know that viavoice outloud sapi4 tts is
available
to download for free on IBM's publically available and open
ftp
site? It's buried inside of some folders on
ftp.software.ibm.com
<ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com> ... But yes it is there for
anybody
to go grab and install and use.













Re: NVDA's normal navigation mode

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Years ago there was a typing sound whenever you heard news reporters.



On 5/28/2021 10:08 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Actually it is a typing sound. In the 1800s the telegraph used that sound, or at least somethingn close to it. So I know what that means.

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On 28 May 2021, at 8:27, Gene wrote:

If it were a typing sound, it might make more sense.  But it is something like a high pitched camera sound you might heare on a phone.  It doesn’t have any association with a mode and I find the sound to be grating and annoying. 
 
Also, for those learning NVDA, I don’t think sound should be used.  Repetition is important in learning and hearing actual words would help those learning both become more aware of the terms and perhaps be more aware of when they are in which mode. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA's normal navigation mode
 

The typing sound means focused mode, the bop noise means browse mode, it makes sense actually.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 7:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA's normal navigation mode

 

NVDA space toggles browse mode off and on.  But if you are using sound for the notification, I don’t know which sound means what and I don’t like using sounds instead of speech in such ways.  I have NVDA set to say browse mode when it is on and focus mode when it is off.  If you want to change from sound to speech, I’ll explain how to do it. 

 

Also, by default, NVDA automatically changes from Browse Mode to focus mode and back again depending on what structures you move to in a web page and how you move.

 

I am very much against this being default behavior.  I think it is confusing to new students of NVDA and causes them to concentrate on learning when the automatic changes occur when what they should be concentrating on is when to use which mode.  Manually changing from mode to mode, in my opinion, helps create understanding and helps concentration be on what it should be on, not a secondary consideration.

 

You can change this behavior as well, if you want.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: anthony borg

Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 9:29 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA's normal navigation mode

 

Hi gene

I am referring to the internet and brouser mode. Sorry if I wasn’t very clear with what I was asking.

Regards

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 28 May 2021 14:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA's normal navigation mode

 

It isn’t clear what you are asking about.  Are you asking about navigating using what in JAWS would be called the PC cursor?  You may be asking about the Internet and browse mode but that should be clarified. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: anthony borg

Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 3:18 AM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA's normal navigation mode

 

Hi can someone explain to me what is the commands to toggle on or off the NVDA’s normal navigation mode please?

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony


locked Re: Question about SAPI 4 version of eloquence

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I don't think it's gonna work with windows 10 so I won't take any chances that it could harm my computer.

On 5/28/2021 11:07 AM, Hareth wrote:
its an ftp directory!
copy it,
paste it in the run edit box, and open it with the good old internet explorer.


On 5/28/21, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
This link takes me nowhere.



On 5/28/2021 10:02 AM, Hareth wrote:
There you go:
ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/embedded_viavoice/

On 5/28/21, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
I meant I can't find the download link for it.



On 5/28/2021 8:48 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria via groups.io wrote:
I can't find the sownload link for it.



On 5/28/2021 8:38 AM, Crayton Benner via groups.io wrote:
Last time I tried it, it worked fine with windows 10 no problems.




On Friday, May 28, 2021, 11:31, Rosemarie Chavarria
<knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:

Will it work with windows 10 or is it for older systems?



On 5/28/2021 7:16 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
also did you know that viavoice outloud sapi4 tts is available
to download for free on IBM's publically available and open ftp
site? It's buried inside of some folders on ftp.software.ibm.com
<ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com> ... But yes it is there for anybody
to go grab and install and use.








locked Re: Question about SAPI 4 version of eloquence

Hareth
 

its an ftp directory!
copy it,
paste it in the run edit box, and open it with the good old internet explorer.

On 5/28/21, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
This link takes me nowhere.



On 5/28/2021 10:02 AM, Hareth wrote:
There you go:
ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/embedded_viavoice/

On 5/28/21, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
I meant I can't find the download link for it.



On 5/28/2021 8:48 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria via groups.io wrote:
I can't find the sownload link for it.



On 5/28/2021 8:38 AM, Crayton Benner via groups.io wrote:
Last time I tried it, it worked fine with windows 10 no problems.




On Friday, May 28, 2021, 11:31, Rosemarie Chavarria
<knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:

Will it work with windows 10 or is it for older systems?



On 5/28/2021 7:16 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
also did you know that viavoice outloud sapi4 tts is available
to download for free on IBM's publically available and open ftp
site? It's buried inside of some folders on ftp.software.ibm.com
<ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com> ... But yes it is there for anybody
to go grab and install and use.










Re: NVDA's normal navigation mode

Sarah k Alawami
 

I agree with bryan. You are once again generalising and making a blanket statement. I don't see the point of your comments, as all of them are this way.

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On 28 May 2021, at 9:23, Gene wrote:

I'm not making a general statement that spoken words are better.  I'm saying that when someone begins learning the Internet, they are thinking about all sorts of things.  I think that hearing the words will both help remember the terms and what they mean and that it will make it a little easier for the beginning student.


I also think that automatic mode switching should be off for beginning students. 


Gene

On 5/28/2021 11:14 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 12:11 PM, Gene wrote:
But I think it is important for those beginning to learn web navigation to hear what mode they are in.
-
And they do.  You just want to insist that using spoken words is "better."  I don't think it is given how frequently mode changes (as things are set up by default) and that extra verbosity just gets in the way.  The two sounds are quite distinct and not used otherwise contextually.
 
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked Re: Question about SAPI 4 version of eloquence

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

This link takes me nowhere.

On 5/28/2021 10:02 AM, Hareth wrote:
There you go:
ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/embedded_viavoice/

On 5/28/21, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
I meant I can't find the download link for it.



On 5/28/2021 8:48 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria via groups.io wrote:
I can't find the sownload link for it.



On 5/28/2021 8:38 AM, Crayton Benner via groups.io wrote:
Last time I tried it, it worked fine with windows 10 no problems.




On Friday, May 28, 2021, 11:31, Rosemarie Chavarria
<knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:

Will it work with windows 10 or is it for older systems?



On 5/28/2021 7:16 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
also did you know that viavoice outloud sapi4 tts is available
to download for free on IBM's publically available and open ftp
site? It's buried inside of some folders on ftp.software.ibm.com
<ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com> ... But yes it is there for anybody
to go grab and install and use.





Re: NVDA's normal navigation mode

 

You know I wouldn't be happy with being told via things like speech for different commands.

Now maybe for say events with sounds but I know when I copy things and I know when I paste things.

But if you wanted sounds I have no issues with events for sounds.

In my brouser I like navigation sounds and sometimes page loading sounds, end of download sound so when something finnishes thats fine to.



On 29/05/2021 4:53 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
Gene,

          The problem being, much like the ribbon interface being here and here to stay, the ships of automatic mode switching off and use of verbal mode prompts being used have sailed long ago and are not coming back.

           Even if I agreed with your positions in the abstract, and I don't, the best thing for beginning students is to learn using the out of the box defaults.  This is for the very simple reason that other than some minor tweaking, if that, most people don't do tons of customization away from the defaults.  Being able to sit in front of any random machine that uses software you're familiar with, and being able to use it without hitting unnecessary stumbling blocks, is so hugely valuable as to be unable to be ignored or waved away.

            I don't, and won't, ever presume that someone who's using a screen reader will never be using it anywhere except their own home/office, and that being able to sit down and just "hit the ground running" on a machine unfamiliar to them is something they'd want, without even asking the question.  That's how general education works, then once the foundations and defaults are known, personalization decisions get made then (and, if you're smart, you'll record what you've done, when you're doing it, because I have yet to meet anyone who remembers what they've done weeks/months/years later when they need or want to re-create it).
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked Re: Question about SAPI 4 version of eloquence

 

What?


ibm has an ftp.

You know I will have to brouse about.

My only issue with sapi4 viavoice is it can be hard to remove sometimes.



On 29/05/2021 2:16 am, Josh Kennedy wrote:
also did you know that viavoice outloud sapi4 tts is available to download for free on IBM's publically available and open ftp site? It's buried inside of some folders on ftp.software.ibm.com ... But yes it is there for anybody to go grab and install and use. 


Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

 

I agree.

I have had someone get into trouble with wanting to convert something, I was out so he tried himself.

After all the spyware and extra hacked stuff was recovered I asked him why he didn't wait 30 minutes.

The solution was at my fingertips and close to me on mmy desk drive.

He could have given me the thing to convert as he only needed to do it once.

It would be a lot better.

I had another friend wanting to record with skype.

In stead of asking me, he installed a lot of free apps.


After removing all the spyware, completely reformatting and restoring all his data I was able to fix the issue myself but it would have been far easier if hhe had waited for me to fix the issue and get the right solution which I allready had.

The cost to fix the issue in its original uncorrupted state was 9 dollars, and 5 minutes.

To restore and clear everything else and change everything took a week, so haisty users are also an issue, even I fall into that trap somtimes.



On 29/05/2021 2:06 am, tim wrote:

Only if your a fool to give support without the tools you really need and a remote on phone don't get it.

It was a fool that wanted that simpleness and a hacker made them pay for there it10ts! That move shut down a major pipeline.

If my clients can not wait until I get to the tools I need to fix them. Then they can find another tech! I don't do work that needs another tech to clean up.


On 5/28/2021 9:35 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 07:39 AM, Mallard wrote:
I mean... Ever heard of providing support while on a train or the like, thus unlikely ot have a computer handy?


Sighted people can do that. I'd love to think that blind people will be able to do that too.
-
Other than by talking phone, no, not really.  I seldom see techs doing anything "heavy duty" remotely if not seated in front of a machine where all the tools they use are at their disposal or are actually sitting in front of "the patient."

I'd certainly not try to provide (sighted) remote support using my smartphone while traveling other than to talk someone through what they could try as DIY troubleshooting.  I can't do anything significant without a real keyboard.  I doubt I'm alone in being someone who does not have such on them, even in folding Bluetooth format, at all times.

Note well, all of the above is to address the misconception that sighted techs are routinely providing the kind of remote support that would typically require a computer and keyboard while out and about with only their smartphones.  I've never once encountered that.  That scenario is, in my experience and observation, about as realistic as most of the computer hacking in entertainment where everyone gets in with about 5 second's effort.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: nvda and latest windows update

 

Well its the last stable nvda well the corrent nvda stable and the latest build of windows 21h1 may update.



On 29/05/2021 2:04 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 09:57 AM, tim wrote:
Is this with new NVDA out or previous version?
-
Excellent question.  And another opportunity to reiterate why it is so important to identify the actual versions on all things involved including the software itself, the add-on (if being discussed), and the version and build, including dot number, for Windows 10.

"The latest" is really meaningless, particularly in regard to Windows, in the age of update rollouts that occur in waves.  It is not at all uncommon for different build dot numbers to be out there concurrently, but very often different versions entirely, the latter for months at a time.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: nvda and latest windows update

 

The stable version.

On 29/05/2021 1:57 am, tim wrote:
Is this with new NVDA out or prevouse version? Because not seeing it with 2020.4

On 5/28/2021 4:48 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

This is not a critical showstopper but it appears after the latest optional, for some reason nvda no longer can read some events.

That can include things like the time and some things like network devices, its not a big issue but if you depend on nvda to read the clock from systray you may want to leave this update alone.

Nvda reports uia and garbage errors with virtual buffers but the log doesn't always generate.

You can fix this briefly by restarting nvda but its almost like some events are not beeing able to be read in realtime or something.

One of the fixes with this latest update is to change some reader issues in general with some uia conditions, and I am sure its fixed something.

However some live updateable things are no longer updating.









.


Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

 

This is almost chat teritory but it would depend where you are.

Via voice, the noise of the train hmmm.

Via data, I wouldn't actually do this unless its an emergency.

If there is a wireless network, it may be slow and or have drops or other limits.

If mobile you will be going in and out of range which could screw things over some what.

I guess if you are in a city train.

I know some people that can do it on the go but I personally wouldn't.

I have done on a phone on transport but I usually need to concentrate where I am going, what I am doing, etc and now with covid, its the mask on off thing and your clean hands and having that phone out of your bag unless you run bluetooth.

I have no doubt some do it but I would personally not do so.


I have had to many experiences where someone will give me their system their supposedly good computer friend tried to tell them what to do while on a bus or train or something.

Even if its simple.

Usually I get the system to fix what is broken.

The user tells me what they were trying to do and what was wrong.

A lot of things can go on message wize between who you are calling and asking what to do.

The system is usually a mess.

As is usual I don't even try to unpick it.

I could take an hour to a week to unpick unless its something they really need.

Usually if I get a system I am not sure about, I back it up, and just reformat.


I know I can reformat, restore the system back, and get everything working within a couple days.

I can also solve the initial issue myself if I am told about it or find the issue along the way.

Its usually an update or its something I can get myself that I can do with along the way.


I mean I have solved people's systems without a reformat where it boots, but I have always felt I am only putting a bandaid on a unknown and possible unstable foundation.

If I have my choice, I would like to have a stable foundation where things don't jump out at me.

Then again I have never been able to solve major complex things.

I don't understand the registry for example and I avoid it and a lot of things.

If I can type it in or something then thats about it.

The only scenario I could actually think of is if you uploaded things to a shared cloud account on that system and had a script and ran it.

Now if there was a way or program I could use to simulate actions to run, have them put into a script, and then run it then email me back when complete or whatever maybe but thats a big maybe.

I am just not comfortable with things.

While I admit to a bit trigger happy than others, I also admit that while I know enough to know what I am doing most of the time, I know a lot less t than I sometimes come accross as.

For example if its a setting I can see, a checkbox, or command in the shell I can put in, if its a program or script or something with an interface I can do that.

I am almost completely scared of everything else because I don't know how to handle a lot of things.

I often say things and they were correct when I read them.

However I have been known to family to forget bits of things and not always remembering all things at points.

The danger goes up a lot when I can't see the system.

Sometimes I find the issue is a lot different when I can interact directly.

On 28/05/2021 11:39 pm, Mallard wrote:
Ever heard of providing support while on mobility? I mean... Ever heard of providing support while on a train or the like, thus unlikely ot have a computer handy?


Sighted people can do that. I'd love to think that blind people will be able to do that too.


I have an Android device; not Ios, but blessed be the dev of such an app!


Ciao,

Ollie




On 28/05/2021 00:10, William James wrote:

You are posing some very good questions on this topic.  I hope the developer of this app will step in and clarify his/her position on why they developed this app.

One thing I can definitely say: The possibilities are endless! Where there’s a will, there’s a way.  No pun intended.

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

*From: *Brian Vogel <mailto:britechguy@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Thursday, May 27, 2021 6:05 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 05:53 PM, William James wrote:

    A totally blind person could remote in using a Bluetooth keyboard
    with the iDevice and troubleshoot the issue.

-
The question then becomes:  How likely is such a scenario? Even more important:  How likely is it that anyone who would be willing and able to work with NVDA Remote will not have the native PC platform to do it with?

As I said, though, I have no skin in this game.  I'm just trying to understand the rationale.  Software in general is a major investment in time and money, and as a result it usually doesn't get developed unless there is an identified need first.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

/I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are./

      ~ Brian Vogel




locked Re: Question about SAPI 4 version of eloquence

Ron Canazzi
 

This link goes nowhere.

On 5/28/2021 1:02 PM, Hareth wrote:
There you go:
ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/embedded_viavoice/

On 5/28/21, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
I meant I can't find the download link for it.



On 5/28/2021 8:48 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria via groups.io wrote:
I can't find the sownload link for it.



On 5/28/2021 8:38 AM, Crayton Benner via groups.io wrote:
Last time I tried it, it worked fine with windows 10 no problems.




On Friday, May 28, 2021, 11:31, Rosemarie Chavarria
<knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:

Will it work with windows 10 or is it for older systems?



On 5/28/2021 7:16 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
also did you know that viavoice outloud sapi4 tts is available
to download for free on IBM's publically available and open ftp
site? It's buried inside of some folders on ftp.software.ibm.com
<ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com> ... But yes it is there for anybody
to go grab and install and use.




--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: nvda and latest windows update

 

Well, run nvda, move to and read the time as you would usually do in systray.

Now wait a bit, say 5-10 minutes.
Check the time again.

Check with another clock.

At first I tried with windows but my dimention4 sync says I am at the right time.

The time will be  whatever the last time it synced.

Then go to settings and from the nvda menu do a revert to saved configuration and the time will be updated.

I am unsure if the time events are not reading or if they are massively slowed down, because I was on the system for quite a while about 4 hours and suddenly the time did seem to resync but it only happened once like that.

So its either slow or not that fast.

I also found when opening the network icon in my computer or is it this pc, I have changed icons to look like the older icon names I have been used to since windows 95 because I could change the text label.

The network will display.

But it won't always refresh.

In fact I got it into a state where it wouldn't list everything but going to control panel and devices and printers  and scroling round seemed to refresh things.

I am not sure if its nvda or an actual event syncing issue.

Its not a critical showstopper but it does mean for example if I say open the start menu or sometimes open a site some events don't take or I open my computer well this pc or whatever was the last thing I did and I have tried another keyboard, its almost like some events are not being tracked.

The log sometimes lists problems but a lot of the time doesn't.

While this certainly is not a reload all over event, its a potential concern as while I have several clocks here I don't always have a clock near me with my remote work.

So I guess I will have to keep my phone close by to check things.

It doesn't hamper general opperations generally but I did notice this.

It would be interesting exactly where the scenarios applied for the uia changes to be needed in the first place though.

This change has definitely broken some things though.

The only difference is unlike 2019 I can still use the system, its more of an inconvenience rather than a real problem.

As far as my syncronisation program tells me, time is actually normally doing its thing within windows itself.

On 28/05/2021 8:51 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
STR (steps to reproduce) please, as it falls under my area of research (I've been curious about impact of this change myself).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 1:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda and latest windows update

Hi.

This is not a critical showstopper but it appears after the latest optional, for some reason nvda no longer can read some events.

That can include things like the time and some things like network devices, its not a big issue but if you depend on nvda to read the clock from systray you may want to leave this update alone.

Nvda reports uia and garbage errors with virtual buffers but the log doesn't always generate.

You can fix this briefly by restarting nvda but its almost like some events are not beeing able to be read in realtime or something.

One of the fixes with this latest update is to change some reader issues in general with some uia conditions, and I am sure its fixed something.

However some live updateable things are no longer updating.











.


Re: NVDA's normal navigation mode

Arlene
 

Yes, it should be an option. If you want the word spoken then you should have the option to have it say it. Or set the sound to that if you are not a beginner using NVDA.Or, if you are a beginner to NVDA. Yes NVDA rocks! What I’ve always liked about it is this! You can add your addons as you like not pay for it with them added.  If you are not a computer coder then you don’t need them where as if you pay for an expensive screen reader you pay for them weather you want them or not.  Same with the voices. I like how you are given the choice to buy them and add them to NVDA. I like how you are given the choice to add the things you want as you choose.  I hope these words are right. I don’t want to ruffle people’s feathers.     

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From: Gene
Sent: May 28, 2021 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA's normal navigation mode

 

I'm not making a general statement that spoken words are better.  I'm saying that when someone begins learning the Internet, they are thinking about all sorts of things.  I think that hearing the words will both help remember the terms and what they mean and that it will make it a little easier for the beginning student.

 

I also think that automatic mode switching should be off for beginning students. 

 

Gene

On 5/28/2021 11:14 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 12:11 PM, Gene wrote:

But I think it is important for those beginning to learn web navigation to hear what mode they are in.

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And they do.  You just want to insist that using spoken words is "better."  I don't think it is given how frequently mode changes (as things are set up by default) and that extra verbosity just gets in the way.  The two sounds are quite distinct and not used otherwise contextually.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 

 


Re: NVDA's normal navigation mode

Chris Smart
 

Yep, it's a combination of that mechanical typing sound, and a short tone.

I like it.



On 2021-05-28 1:08 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Actually it is a typing sound. In the 1800s the telegraph used that sound, or at least somethingn close to it. So I know what that means.

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On 28 May 2021, at 8:27, Gene wrote:

If it were a typing sound, it might make more sense.  But it is something like a high pitched camera sound you might heare on a phone.  It doesn’t have any association with a mode and I find the sound to be grating and annoying. 
 
Also, for those learning NVDA, I don’t think sound should be used.  Repetition is important in learning and hearing actual words would help those learning both become more aware of the terms and perhaps be more aware of when they are in which mode. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA's normal navigation mode
 

The typing sound means focused mode, the bop noise means browse mode, it makes sense actually.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 7:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA's normal navigation mode

 

NVDA space toggles browse mode off and on.  But if you are using sound for the notification, I don’t know which sound means what and I don’t like using sounds instead of speech in such ways.  I have NVDA set to say browse mode when it is on and focus mode when it is off.  If you want to change from sound to speech, I’ll explain how to do it. 

 

Also, by default, NVDA automatically changes from Browse Mode to focus mode and back again depending on what structures you move to in a web page and how you move.

 

I am very much against this being default behavior.  I think it is confusing to new students of NVDA and causes them to concentrate on learning when the automatic changes occur when what they should be concentrating on is when to use which mode.  Manually changing from mode to mode, in my opinion, helps create understanding and helps concentration be on what it should be on, not a secondary consideration.

 

You can change this behavior as well, if you want.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: anthony borg

Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 9:29 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA's normal navigation mode

 

Hi gene

I am referring to the internet and brouser mode. Sorry if I wasn’t very clear with what I was asking.

Regards

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 28 May 2021 14:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA's normal navigation mode

 

It isn’t clear what you are asking about.  Are you asking about navigating using what in JAWS would be called the PC cursor?  You may be asking about the Internet and browse mode but that should be clarified. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: anthony borg

Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 3:18 AM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA's normal navigation mode

 

Hi can someone explain to me what is the commands to toggle on or off the NVDA’s normal navigation mode please?

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony


Re: NVDA's normal navigation mode

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually it is a typing sound. In the 1800s the telegraph used that sound, or at least somethingn close to it. So I know what that means.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.
Finally, you can support my work on happs, the network of now.

On 28 May 2021, at 8:27, Gene wrote:

If it were a typing sound, it might make more sense.  But it is something like a high pitched camera sound you might heare on a phone.  It doesn’t have any association with a mode and I find the sound to be grating and annoying. 
 
Also, for those learning NVDA, I don’t think sound should be used.  Repetition is important in learning and hearing actual words would help those learning both become more aware of the terms and perhaps be more aware of when they are in which mode. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA's normal navigation mode
 

The typing sound means focused mode, the bop noise means browse mode, it makes sense actually.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 7:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA's normal navigation mode

 

NVDA space toggles browse mode off and on.  But if you are using sound for the notification, I don’t know which sound means what and I don’t like using sounds instead of speech in such ways.  I have NVDA set to say browse mode when it is on and focus mode when it is off.  If you want to change from sound to speech, I’ll explain how to do it. 

 

Also, by default, NVDA automatically changes from Browse Mode to focus mode and back again depending on what structures you move to in a web page and how you move.

 

I am very much against this being default behavior.  I think it is confusing to new students of NVDA and causes them to concentrate on learning when the automatic changes occur when what they should be concentrating on is when to use which mode.  Manually changing from mode to mode, in my opinion, helps create understanding and helps concentration be on what it should be on, not a secondary consideration.

 

You can change this behavior as well, if you want.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: anthony borg

Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 9:29 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA's normal navigation mode

 

Hi gene

I am referring to the internet and brouser mode. Sorry if I wasn’t very clear with what I was asking.

Regards

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 28 May 2021 14:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA's normal navigation mode

 

It isn’t clear what you are asking about.  Are you asking about navigating using what in JAWS would be called the PC cursor?  You may be asking about the Internet and browse mode but that should be clarified. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: anthony borg

Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 3:18 AM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA's normal navigation mode

 

Hi can someone explain to me what is the commands to toggle on or off the NVDA’s normal navigation mode please?

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony


locked Re: Question about SAPI 4 version of eloquence

Hareth
 

There you go:
ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/embedded_viavoice/

On 5/28/21, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
I meant I can't find the download link for it.



On 5/28/2021 8:48 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria via groups.io wrote:

I can't find the sownload link for it.



On 5/28/2021 8:38 AM, Crayton Benner via groups.io wrote:
Last time I tried it, it worked fine with windows 10 no problems.




On Friday, May 28, 2021, 11:31, Rosemarie Chavarria
<knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:

Will it work with windows 10 or is it for older systems?



On 5/28/2021 7:16 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
also did you know that viavoice outloud sapi4 tts is available
to download for free on IBM's publically available and open ftp
site? It's buried inside of some folders on ftp.software.ibm.com
<ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com> ... But yes it is there for anybody
to go grab and install and use.





Re: NVDA's normal navigation mode

 

Gene,

          The problem being, much like the ribbon interface being here and here to stay, the ships of automatic mode switching off and use of verbal mode prompts being used have sailed long ago and are not coming back.

           Even if I agreed with your positions in the abstract, and I don't, the best thing for beginning students is to learn using the out of the box defaults.  This is for the very simple reason that other than some minor tweaking, if that, most people don't do tons of customization away from the defaults.  Being able to sit in front of any random machine that uses software you're familiar with, and being able to use it without hitting unnecessary stumbling blocks, is so hugely valuable as to be unable to be ignored or waved away.

            I don't, and won't, ever presume that someone who's using a screen reader will never be using it anywhere except their own home/office, and that being able to sit down and just "hit the ground running" on a machine unfamiliar to them is something they'd want, without even asking the question.  That's how general education works, then once the foundations and defaults are known, personalization decisions get made then (and, if you're smart, you'll record what you've done, when you're doing it, because I have yet to meet anyone who remembers what they've done weeks/months/years later when they need or want to re-create it).
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA's normal navigation mode

Gene
 

I'm not making a general statement that spoken words are better.  I'm saying that when someone begins learning the Internet, they are thinking about all sorts of things.  I think that hearing the words will both help remember the terms and what they mean and that it will make it a little easier for the beginning student.


I also think that automatic mode switching should be off for beginning students. 


Gene

On 5/28/2021 11:14 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 12:11 PM, Gene wrote:
But I think it is important for those beginning to learn web navigation to hear what mode they are in.
-
And they do.  You just want to insist that using spoken words is "better."  I don't think it is given how frequently mode changes (as things are set up by default) and that extra verbosity just gets in the way.  The two sounds are quite distinct and not used otherwise contextually.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 

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