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Re: Braille and wx events

 

Hi,
Short answer: I'm going to forward this to a more appropriate list, namely NVDA development list.
Long answer: it depends on what one is doing and the control in question - it can activate it, can set cursor position, etc. You won't see wxPython/wxWidgets events for these because it isn't routed through that, as this is strictly a braille handler routine (unless I'm reading the source code wrong).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Vincent Le Goff
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 1:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Braille and wx events

Hi everyone,


Playing around with wxPython, I was wondering what the heck the Braille cursor routine do when clicked. It seems using them does not generate a click event that wxPython can intercept. Or a key event (some will interpret the Braille cursor keys as a series of left and right to go to the specified point, if possible). I've tried different mouse cursor event but nothing works (except when I use NVDA + pavnum-MouseLeft and pavnum-MouseLeft, which does generate these events).


Just curious how that's implemented. I use Braille routing on a daily basis, though usually in editors. Could someone tell me why these wx events are not generated when I click on my cursor routing keys? And if there are events I can link to (or, if not, why?).


Thanks!


Vincent


Re: Braille and wx events

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello,

While this posting is technically on topic for this list, I don't know that you are going to get many useful responses. I am asking anyone who does not know the answer to please refrain from responding. If this post generates some very technical discussion, which I am not sure will happen, I may ask that this thread, at a point, gets locked as this list is more for general discussion. Finally, I would recommend that this topic is re-posted on the NVDA-dev discussion list, or a more technical list as it may generate more useful responses.

thanks.

On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 2:22 PM Vincent Le Goff <vincent.legoff.srs@...> wrote:
Hi everyone,


Playing around with wxPython, I was wondering what the heck the Braille
cursor routine do when clicked.  It seems using them does not generate a
click event that wxPython can intercept.  Or a key event (some will
interpret the Braille cursor keys as a series of left and right to go to
the specified point, if possible). I've tried different mouse cursor
event but nothing works (except when I use NVDA + pavnum-MouseLeft and
pavnum-MouseLeft, which does generate these events).


Just curious how that's implemented.  I use Braille routing on a daily
basis, though usually in editors.  Could someone tell me why these wx
events are not generated when I click on my cursor routing keys?  And if
there are events I can link to (or, if not, why?).


Thanks!


Vincent







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Braille and wx events

Vincent Le Goff <vincent.legoff.srs@...>
 

Hi everyone,


Playing around with wxPython, I was wondering what the heck the Braille cursor routine do when clicked.  It seems using them does not generate a click event that wxPython can intercept.  Or a key event (some will interpret the Braille cursor keys as a series of left and right to go to the specified point, if possible). I've tried different mouse cursor event but nothing works (except when I use NVDA + pavnum-MouseLeft and pavnum-MouseLeft, which does generate these events).


Just curious how that's implemented.  I use Braille routing on a daily basis, though usually in editors.  Could someone tell me why these wx events are not generated when I click on my cursor routing keys?  And if there are events I can link to (or, if not, why?).


Thanks!


Vincent


PowerPoint tutorials

Cecelia Rodriguez <cessbraille@...>
 

Sent from my iPhone are there any tutorials on using NVDA with the latest PowerPoint with Microsoft 365?


Re: Making NVDA reconsider focus

Luke Davis
 

Perry and others,

I didn't know this when I posted before, but there is discussion of this issue on GitHub, which I have just found. It would probably be helpful if you could post your experiences there as well, along with debug logs if any, although likely they will be the same as what has already been posted. I intend to add my own information the next time I run into this.

This issue needs as much attention as it can get, as it is still on-going for many of us. The URL is:

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8389

Luke

On Mon, 15 Jul 2019, Luke Davis wrote:

On Thu, 11 Jul 2019, Perry Simm via Groups.Io wrote:

Sure! The prime example is when I launch a program, such as a browser. A few seconds later, I know I'm in the address bar, and a sighted person can confirm this to me, but there's no speech indicating this. Focus is really in the address bar, and I can type into it. It's just that NVDA hasn't tracked it. Alt+tabbing out then back in resolves it for the moment.
[.]
And as you say, it's an old problem which has existed for many years, across many windows versions, NVDA versions, etc.


Re: labeling the button objects in decTalk speak windows

Josh Kennedy
 

magic cursor addon? or do you mean golden cursor addon? maybe, I'm not sure,  I'll have to download it and play around with it and see if it will let me label objects. 


Re: Using both NVDA and JAWS

Josh Kennedy
 

on my machine, alt control backslash starts NVDA, and alt control right-bracket starts jaws. That is because I don't want the default NVDA shortcut to conflict with some keyboard shortcuts inside google docs, sheets, and slides in chrome and firefox. 

Josh


Re: Using both NVDA and JAWS

Luke Davis
 

On Tue, 16 Jul 2019, Dang Manh Cuong wrote:

Both Jaws and NVDA do have command for calling via the run dialog so we just remember its command, and type exactly. Other member has told this
For installed version of NVDA:
nvda
Start NVDA normally
nvda -r
restart NVDA
nvda -q
Quit NVDA
To possibly add clarity, or to make it more muddy depending on your prospective:

The -r option to nvda actually means "replace", not "restart". It replaces any running NVDA version with the one you just ran with -r. If no NVDA version is running, it doesn't have anything to replace, so just starts normally.

Therefore it is always possible, and perhaps even preferred, to start NVDA with the -r flag. Which is why the default shortcut uses it. It will always start NVDA, whether or not there is a version already running.

Hopefully the necessity to use -r will go away. in some future version, if enough people prefer that (https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8320).

Luke


Re: how to check spelling of a suggested word in spellchecker if you don't have a numpad on the laptop

Dan Thompson
 

Very big thank you Quentin!

God bless.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 6:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to check spelling of a suggested word in spellchecker if you don't have a numpad on the laptop

 

Hi Dan,

 

Numpad 5 is the desktop keyboard layout keystroke for "report current word in review".  If you have a laptop which does not have a dedicated numberpad, you might consider setting NVDA to use laptop keyboard layout from NVDA's keyboard settings (press NVDA+control+k to open the keyboard settings directly).  If you are using laptop keyboard layout, the command to report the current word is NVDA+control+. (NVDA, control, full stop or period).

 

Note on many laptops, the Fn key can be used with other keys as the number pad.  Usually this uses the 7, 8 and 9 on the number row as those keys, U, I, O as 4, 5, 6 and K, L, ; as 1, 2, 3 etc.  You'd have to work out which key did "numlock" in that case to ensure it was "off" (with numlock on, pressing numpad 5 will result in the number 5 being pressed in any case).

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 5:37 AM Dan Thompson <dmt031073@...> wrote:

Hi All,

I can check the spelling of a suggested word when using spellchecker using NVDA  by tabbing to the list of suggestions and pressing Numpad 5 twice to have the word spelled.

But what can be done for a laptop that doesn’t have a Numpad to get the same information?  Thanks in advance.


 

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NVDA 2019.2beta1 now available!

 


Exact cursor position in Power Point

Rick
 

Hello:

 

I am creating a Power Point presentation and I need to place various objects (e.g. pictures and text boxes) on my slides. I know that I can manage the size and

location of these objects to prevent overlap, but in some instances, I want them to overlap to give the illusion of text wrapping around an image. For example, I may have a long line of text followed by several shorter lines and I want to position an image at the end of these shorter lines of text, so knowing the position of the ending characters on these lines of text is desirable.

 

Is there a way in Power point to determine the exact position (relative to the slide or the containing object) of characters within a line of text in a text box using NVDA?

 

Thanks, Rick

 


Re: twitter accessibility

Sylvie Duchateau
 

Hello,

As other on the list previously said, you can use twitter's web site with NVDA rather well.

Twitter has implemented their own shortcuts, similar to nvda browsing keys. So, if you want to use twitter's hotkeys, press nvda+shift+space bar to disable single key navigation of NVDA.

Press n to write a new tweet.

l to like a tweet

r to reply to a tweet ...

To access the complete short cut list, do the following:

  • Use the tab key or type b to reach the item "profile and settings" announced as a button with sub-menu by NVDA. I think you need to type b threee times to reach this sub menu.
  • Enable forms mode by pressing nvda+space bar.
  • Type enter to open the submenu.
  • Use the down arrow key to go through the menu items. On my account, NVDA announces there are 13 items or so, go to the 10th called "keyboard shortcuts".
  • Press enter. This will open a dialogue. You will be on the close button that allows you to leave this dialogue. You can also close it by pressing the escape key. It make take some time before it closes.
  • The shortcuts are displayed in a table.

Twitter is coded to send you alert messages when a tweet arrives, and tells you what to press if you want to read it.

Do not hesitate if you have further questions.

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Sylvie

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Le 15/07/2019 à 22:06, Governor staten a écrit :

Yes it is. I imagine you are speaking of the website. They have keyboard shortcuts for everything imaginable.





On 7/15/2019 4:00 PM, Don H wrote:
Is twitter accessible using the latest version of NVDA on a Win 10 system?





Re: Using both NVDA and JAWS

 

Hi
Both Jaws and NVDA do have command for calling via the run dialog so we just remember its command, and type exactly. Other member has told this
For installed version of NVDA:
nvda
Start NVDA normaly
nvda -r
restart NVDA
nvda -q
Quit NVDA
Jawsxxxx (where xxxx your Jaws version): start Jaws

On 7/16/2019 12:06 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Why not put a shortcut and call it jfw into c:\windows\system32 then just from the run dialogue when you want to want to start nvda type nvda.

I do this with a lot of programs and shortcuts I use on windows and it makes my workflow much faster.
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Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 15 Jul 2019, at 21:15, JM Casey wrote:

The assigning of the hotkey is not automatic,. And I had thought the startup wizard allowed an opportunity to set one, but I just checked, and it doesn’t, so you would have to do it the traditional way.

 

Just my opinion of course, but hitting j several times until you (hopefully) get to the right programme seems a bit tenuous and too much like guesswork, to me. Much easier to just invoke the run box and type in the name of the jaws version you have installed and want to run. By now I’m probably going to start attaining the nickname Mr. Run-box around here. *grins*

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: July 16, 2019 12:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using both NVDA and JAWS

 

Unless this has changed, control alt j is not automatically assigned as a shortcut by JAWS.  I haven't used JAWS for many years but in the past, users would set that short cut command using the shortcut JAWS would put on the desktop. 

 

Unless you know the shortcut is there, with NVDA running, go to the desktop, press home then type j until you get to JAWS.  Remember how many times you pressed j so you can start JAWS without control alt j.  After you press j the needed number of times, press enter.

 

If you use Windows key m to go to the desktop, to be sure you are on it when no screen-reader is running, press it three times. 

 

I believe Windows key d takes you to the desktop reliably the first time you execute the command but on some keyboards, it is a very inconvenient command to use and Windows key m three times is far more convenient.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 7:21 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Using both NVDA and JAWS

 

hi.
i have jaws and Nvda on my laptop. probably the best option is to turn off one screen reader and start the other. press Nvda plus q to exit Nvda. press control alt j to start jaws. depending on your keyboard layout press caps lock or insert plus f4 to exit jaws.
hope this helps 😊


Re: Using both NVDA and JAWS

Sarah k Alawami
 

Why not put a shortcut and call it jfw into c:\windows\system32 then just from the run dialogue when you want to want to start nvda type nvda.

I do this with a lot of programs and shortcuts I use on windows and it makes my workflow much faster.
Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 15 Jul 2019, at 21:15, JM Casey wrote:

The assigning of the hotkey is not automatic,. And I had thought the startup wizard allowed an opportunity to set one, but I just checked, and it doesn’t, so you would have to do it the traditional way.

 

Just my opinion of course, but hitting j several times until you (hopefully) get to the right programme seems a bit tenuous and too much like guesswork, to me. Much easier to just invoke the run box and type in the name of the jaws version you have installed and want to run. By now I’m probably going to start attaining the nickname Mr. Run-box around here. *grins*

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: July 16, 2019 12:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using both NVDA and JAWS

 

Unless this has changed, control alt j is not automatically assigned as a shortcut by JAWS.  I haven't used JAWS for many years but in the past, users would set that short cut command using the shortcut JAWS would put on the desktop. 

 

Unless you know the shortcut is there, with NVDA running, go to the desktop, press home then type j until you get to JAWS.  Remember how many times you pressed j so you can start JAWS without control alt j.  After you press j the needed number of times, press enter.

 

If you use Windows key m to go to the desktop, to be sure you are on it when no screen-reader is running, press it three times. 

 

I believe Windows key d takes you to the desktop reliably the first time you execute the command but on some keyboards, it is a very inconvenient command to use and Windows key m three times is far more convenient.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 7:21 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Using both NVDA and JAWS

 

hi.
i have jaws and Nvda on my laptop. probably the best option is to turn off one screen reader and start the other. press Nvda plus q to exit Nvda. press control alt j to start jaws. depending on your keyboard layout press caps lock or insert plus f4 to exit jaws.
hope this helps 😊


Re: Using both NVDA and JAWS

Gene
 

It isn't guesswork if you prepare.  It is much more convenient to assign a shortcut key but I explained how to run JAWS without one because one isn't automatically assigned.  When NVDA is running, you go to the desktop, press home, and type j until you get to the JAWS icon.  You count the number of times.  Then you know how many times to press J when no screen-readers are running.  Knowing how to do things without speech and having confidence that you can is a skill that is useful at times.  It can help you troubleshoot on occasion.  I'll provide an example or two if people are interested.
 
and there may be times you don't want control j as the JAWS shortcut.  You may not want one at all.  I almost never use JAWS but I want to demo available in case it is useful to run it.  Now and then, I would accidentally execute the JAWS control alt j shortcut.  Maybe I would be executing control alt h and my finger would accidently press j at the same time.  I didn't want the inconvenience of having JAWS start now and then accidently.  I didn't want to use another shortcut key because I use a lot of them.  So I have no shortcut key assigned to JAWS.  If I want to run it, I unload NVDA, go to the desktop, press home, type j once, and press enter.  On my system one press of j takes me to the JAWS icon.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using both NVDA and JAWS

The assigning of the hotkey is not automatic,. And I had thought the startup wizard allowed an opportunity to set one, but I just checked, and it doesn’t, so you would have to do it the traditional way.

 

Just my opinion of course, but hitting j several times until you (hopefully) get to the right programme seems a bit tenuous and too much like guesswork, to me. Much easier to just invoke the run box and type in the name of the jaws version you have installed and want to run. By now I’m probably going to start attaining the nickname Mr. Run-box around here. *grins*

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: July 16, 2019 12:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using both NVDA and JAWS

 

Unless this has changed, control alt j is not automatically assigned as a shortcut by JAWS.  I haven't used JAWS for many years but in the past, users would set that short cut command using the shortcut JAWS would put on the desktop. 

 

Unless you know the shortcut is there, with NVDA running, go to the desktop, press home then type j until you get to JAWS.  Remember how many times you pressed j so you can start JAWS without control alt j.  After you press j the needed number of times, press enter.

 

If you use Windows key m to go to the desktop, to be sure you are on it when no screen-reader is running, press it three times. 

 

I believe Windows key d takes you to the desktop reliably the first time you execute the command but on some keyboards, it is a very inconvenient command to use and Windows key m three times is far more convenient.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 7:21 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Using both NVDA and JAWS

 

hi.
i have jaws and Nvda on my laptop. probably the best option is to turn off one screen reader and start the other. press Nvda plus q to exit Nvda. press control alt j to start jaws. depending on your keyboard layout press caps lock or insert plus f4 to exit jaws.
hope this helps 😊


Re: Using both NVDA and JAWS

molly the blind tech lover
 

lol same thing happened to me 😉


On Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 12:20 AM Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

It will be a din if you had both Jaws and NVDA run at the same time. I’ve had that happen on my old 7 box.  For some reason the 7 box froze and I could not get any of the screen reders up.  I got Jaws running then NVDA still there was silence.  Then suddenly they both started talking.s

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: July 15, 2019 8:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using both NVDA and JAWS

 

I think both can run at the same time but that would be confusing lol.

 

 

 


Re: Using both NVDA and JAWS

Arlene
 

It will be a din if you had both Jaws and NVDA run at the same time. I’ve had that happen on my old 7 box.  For some reason the 7 box froze and I could not get any of the screen reders up.  I got Jaws running then NVDA still there was silence.  Then suddenly they both started talking.s

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: July 15, 2019 8:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using both NVDA and JAWS

 

I think both can run at the same time but that would be confusing lol.

 

 

 


Re: Using both NVDA and JAWS

Arlene
 

Yes, control alt J is used for jaws short cut.  It’s after you set it up after installing jaws.  If Jaws with the letter J is on the desktop then you hit J once.  If you hit J with no screen reader  then Jaws will come up. Same with NVDAonly if you hit n or control alt n for NVDA to come up.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: July 15, 2019 9:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using both NVDA and JAWS

 

Unless this has changed, control alt j is not automatically assigned as a shortcut by JAWS.  I haven't used JAWS for many years but in the past, users would set that short cut command using the shortcut JAWS would put on the desktop. 

 

Unless you know the shortcut is there, with NVDA running, go to the desktop, press home then type j until you get to JAWS.  Remember how many times you pressed j so you can start JAWS without control alt j.  After you press j the needed number of times, press enter.

 

If you use Windows key m to go to the desktop, to be sure you are on it when no screen-reader is running, press it three times. 

 

I believe Windows key d takes you to the desktop reliably the first time you execute the command but on some keyboards, it is a very inconvenient command to use and Windows key m three times is far more convenient.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 7:21 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Using both NVDA and JAWS

 

hi.
i have jaws and Nvda on my laptop. probably the best option is to turn off one screen reader and start the other. press Nvda plus q to exit Nvda. press control alt j to start jaws. depending on your keyboard layout press caps lock or insert plus f4 to exit jaws.
hope this helps 😊

 


Re: Using both NVDA and JAWS

JM Casey
 

The assigning of the hotkey is not automatic,. And I had thought the startup wizard allowed an opportunity to set one, but I just checked, and it doesn’t, so you would have to do it the traditional way.

 

Just my opinion of course, but hitting j several times until you (hopefully) get to the right programme seems a bit tenuous and too much like guesswork, to me. Much easier to just invoke the run box and type in the name of the jaws version you have installed and want to run. By now I’m probably going to start attaining the nickname Mr. Run-box around here. *grins*

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: July 16, 2019 12:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using both NVDA and JAWS

 

Unless this has changed, control alt j is not automatically assigned as a shortcut by JAWS.  I haven't used JAWS for many years but in the past, users would set that short cut command using the shortcut JAWS would put on the desktop. 

 

Unless you know the shortcut is there, with NVDA running, go to the desktop, press home then type j until you get to JAWS.  Remember how many times you pressed j so you can start JAWS without control alt j.  After you press j the needed number of times, press enter.

 

If you use Windows key m to go to the desktop, to be sure you are on it when no screen-reader is running, press it three times. 

 

I believe Windows key d takes you to the desktop reliably the first time you execute the command but on some keyboards, it is a very inconvenient command to use and Windows key m three times is far more convenient.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 7:21 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Using both NVDA and JAWS

 

hi.
i have jaws and Nvda on my laptop. probably the best option is to turn off one screen reader and start the other. press Nvda plus q to exit Nvda. press control alt j to start jaws. depending on your keyboard layout press caps lock or insert plus f4 to exit jaws.
hope this helps 😊


Re: Using both NVDA and JAWS

Gene
 

Unless this has changed, control alt j is not automatically assigned as a shortcut by JAWS.  I haven't used JAWS for many years but in the past, users would set that short cut command using the shortcut JAWS would put on the desktop. 
 
Unless you know the shortcut is there, with NVDA running, go to the desktop, press home then type j until you get to JAWS.  Remember how many times you pressed j so you can start JAWS without control alt j.  After you press j the needed number of times, press enter.
 
If you use Windows key m to go to the desktop, to be sure you are on it when no screen-reader is running, press it three times. 
 
I believe Windows key d takes you to the desktop reliably the first time you execute the command but on some keyboards, it is a very inconvenient command to use and Windows key m three times is far more convenient.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using both NVDA and JAWS

hi.
i have jaws and Nvda on my laptop. probably the best option is to turn off one screen reader and start the other. press Nvda plus q to exit Nvda. press control alt j to start jaws. depending on your keyboard layout press caps lock or insert plus f4 to exit jaws.
hope this helps 😊


Re: Using both NVDA and JAWS

molly the blind tech lover
 

I think both can run at the same time but that would be confusing lol.