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Re: NVDA 19.2

Quentin Christensen
 

And I'll jump on the end and add my two cents:
- As Sarah so eloquently indicated, it will indeed be out when it is out.  We would much rather put out a product which is as stable and functional as possible, than one we know has problems, but meets an arbitrary timeline.
- If you are particularly keen to test out the latest features which will be in NVDA 2019.2, I'd encourage you to try out the Beta version.  We put out an announcement when we released Beta 1 here: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-2beta1-released/  We have released a second beta which we didn't make much noise about which you can download directly here: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2019.2beta2/nvda_2019.2beta2.exe

And of course, if you do find any issues with the beta (particularly if you cannot replicate them with the previous stable NVDA 2019.1.1 release), we would of course be keen to hear about them, either on GitHub https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues or email info@... (or here in the group).

Kind regards

Quentin.


On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 2:38 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
For those who want to know pretty much anything about what's just happened or what's coming up for NVDA, the place to look is the NVAccess News Page.

No source here, or elsewhere, will be more definitive and an announcement when each release is officially available typically does happen here, and there, but not until it has occurred.

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Windows 10 App Essentials 19.07.1 #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

 

Yesterday Windows 10 App Essentials 19.07.1 was released, but didn’t have time to announce it formally until now.

 

The just released version includes structural reorganization of how search fields are detected and handled by this add-on, which will serve as a way to test a change I’m thinking about submitting to NV Access for inclusion in a future NVDA release. Specifically, the change will let app modules detect search fields on their own instead of going through NVDA for majority of cases. This change also allows app module specific search field code to handle specialized scenarios. For now, this change is more visible in Microsoft Edge’s address omnibar (EdgeHTML version, that is).

 

Note for resident Windows Insiders: a development snapshot of Windows 10 app Essentials will be released later today that will do its best to detect and announce that you’ve got 19H2 variant of Windows 10 Version 1903 (in the form of an info log entry).

 

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: NVDA 19.2

 

For those who want to know pretty much anything about what's just happened or what's coming up for NVDA, the place to look is the NVAccess News Page.

No source here, or elsewhere, will be more definitive and an announcement when each release is officially available typically does happen here, and there, but not until it has occurred.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 


Re: Quick question regarding station playlist add-on

Armando Maldonado
 

Thanks, got it. :)
Armando

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Quick question regarding station playlist add-on

Hi,

Depends on where you are. From with SPL, it is Control+Alt+T, while outside, it is SPL Controller layer, R.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Armando Maldonado
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 8:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Quick question regarding station playlist add-on

 

Hello,

I have the latest Station Playlist add-on and I am wondering if there's a hot key that will tell me how much time is remaining in a song? I usually have to alt tab out and in of the station playlist window, thanks.

Armando


Re: Quick question regarding station playlist add-on

 

Hi,

Depends on where you are. From with SPL, it is Control+Alt+T, while outside, it is SPL Controller layer, R.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Armando Maldonado
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 8:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Quick question regarding station playlist add-on

 

Hello,

I have the latest Station Playlist add-on and I am wondering if there's a hot key that will tell me how much time is remaining in a song? I usually have to alt tab out and in of the station playlist window, thanks.

Armando


Quick question regarding station playlist add-on

Armando Maldonado
 

Hello,
I have the latest Station Playlist add-on and I am wondering if there's a hot key that will tell me how much time is remaining in a song? I usually have to alt tab out and in of the station playlist window, thanks.
Armando


locked Re: Reading past the visible screen on a CMD Window?

 

Gentlemen,

              This topic is so very far from being NVDA-related, and has been virtually from the outset.   It belongs either on the Chat Subgroup or somewhere else entirely.

               This topic is now locked.

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locked Re: Operating the Python shell

 

Gentlemen,

              This is, absolutely, positively, and without question a topic that belongs on the Chat Subgroup or elsewhere.  Please take it one of those two places.

              This topic is now locked.

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locked Re: Operating the Python shell

David <trailerdavid@...>
 

Thanks.


As a matter of fact, my text book here, for learning Python, indicated
the VSCode as a place to write my code. I just did not know if it was
accessible. Further, the textbook suggests to install VSCode as part of
a suite named
    Anaconda,
which supposedly should bring in all the Python add-ons etc. Would you,
or anyone else know, if Anaconda is worth the go? Or, should I stick
with just VSCode? And where would I find the VSCode? is it one of these
programs that exists in a thousands more or less original versions, all
over the net?

Sorry for dummy questions, but I would hate to clutter my system with
tons of less useful stuff. Better to have asked ten dumb questions, and
then play safe. Smiles.




David

On 7/2/2019 1:35 PM, Norman wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I would try VScode on windows.
>
> You will have to install the python addons to make it work but this
process is well documented if you use google.
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> On 7/2/19 7:15 AM, David wrote:
>> OK, i know this might not be the best place to ask, but hoped someone
>> would have enough knowledge to give me some kind of a clue.
>>
>>
>> I am trying to learn some Python programming. My version is 2.7.13.
>>
>>
>> Python does come with some kind of an editor, which they name Idle. I
>> try to open some python code file in Idle, but neither NVDA, nor Jaws or
>> Window-Eyes seem to be able to read much from the screen. And if I hit
>> the hotkey for run, the code will be virtually run in Python shell.
>> Trouble is, that not even here, I am able to have any of the screen
>> readers give me much for info on what results my code generates.
>>
>>
>> Question to you guys:
>>
>> What editor, and which test environment, does a blind user use? Must be
>> a way of working with python, I should say. Smiles.
>>
>>
>> Before anyone jumps in here, let me stress the point, I am not trying to
>> generate any NVDA code. My learning Python at this point, is of far more
>> general character. I want to simply learn the programming language,
>> writing small applications or routines - for daily computing. And yes, I
>> am an experienced programmer, coming from several other programming
>> languages, and with close to 4 decades of runtime.
>>
>>
>> Again, what I want to know, is which software or environment blind users
>> benefits from. If you happen to have any feedback - or even some sources
>> like links on the net - I would be glad to benefit from such as well.
>>
>>
>> Or, is it that simple, I need to perform some setting to have the
>> standard Python environment cooperate with my screen readers? Either a
>> setting in the Python system, or maybe in the screen reader itself.
>>
>>
>> quick note at last: I have tried to maximize both the Idle, and the
>> Python Shell windows. Still gave no results, that we would name
>> satisfactory.
>>
>>
>> Thanks to all who have inputs here; and sorry to the rest of you, for
>> cluttering the list.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> .
>


Re: NVDA 19.2

Davy Cuppens
 

haha Sarah what a lovely answer!!!! You are right! Yihah!
 

Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2019 6:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 19.2
 

Not to be a pain in the but, but as I tell people who ask me when my next track will be released, it will be released when it's ready and not before. So 29.2 will be released when it's ready and not before, in case ther are little bug bares that need to be squashed.

Blessings

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 1 Jul 2019, at 21:15, Sky Mundell wrote:

Hello. This is Sky.  When do you think NVDA 2019.2 will be released? The full final version? Thanks, Sky.


Re: NVDA 19.2

Davy Cuppens
 

I know when it will come out.
 
It will come out when it is ready.
 
Why are so many blinds asking on and on these boring questions causing so much useless mail traffic?
Davy
 

Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2019 6:15 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 19.2
 

Hello. This is Sky.  When do you think NVDA 2019.2 will be released? The full final version? Thanks, Sky.


locked Re: Operating the Python shell

Norman <lists@...>
 

Hi.

I would try VScode on windows.

You will have to install the python addons to make it work but this process is well documented if you use google.


Thanks.

On 7/2/19 7:15 AM, David wrote:
OK, i know this might not be the best place to ask, but hoped someone
would have enough knowledge to give me some kind of a clue.


I am trying to learn some Python programming. My version is 2.7.13.


Python does come with some kind of an editor, which they name Idle. I
try to open some python code file in Idle, but neither NVDA, nor Jaws or
Window-Eyes seem to be able to read much from the screen. And if I hit
the hotkey for run, the code will be virtually run in Python shell.
Trouble is, that not even here, I am able to have any of the screen
readers give me much for info on what results my code generates.


Question to you guys:

What editor, and which test environment, does a blind user use? Must be
a way of working with python, I should say. Smiles.


Before anyone jumps in here, let me stress the point, I am not trying to
generate any NVDA code. My learning Python at this point, is of far more
general character. I want to simply learn the programming language,
writing small applications or routines - for daily computing. And yes, I
am an experienced programmer, coming from several other programming
languages, and with close to 4 decades of runtime.


Again, what I want to know, is which software or environment blind users
benefits from. If you happen to have any feedback - or even some sources
like links on the net - I would be glad to benefit from such as well.


Or, is it that simple, I need to perform some setting to have the
standard Python environment cooperate with my screen readers? Either a
setting in the Python system, or maybe in the screen reader itself.


quick note at last: I have tried to maximize both the Idle, and the
Python Shell windows. Still gave no results, that we would name
satisfactory.


Thanks to all who have inputs here; and sorry to the rest of you, for
cluttering the list.



locked Operating the Python shell

David <trailerdavid@...>
 

OK, i know this might not be the best place to ask, but hoped someone
would have enough knowledge to give me some kind of a clue.


I am trying to learn some Python programming. My version is 2.7.13.


Python does come with some kind of an editor, which they name Idle. I
try to open some python code file in Idle, but neither NVDA, nor Jaws or
Window-Eyes seem to be able to read much from the screen. And if I hit
the hotkey for run, the code will be virtually run in Python shell.
Trouble is, that not even here, I am able to have any of the screen
readers give me much for info on what results my code generates.


Question to you guys:

What editor, and which test environment, does a blind user use? Must be
a way of working with python, I should say. Smiles.


Before anyone jumps in here, let me stress the point, I am not trying to
generate any NVDA code. My learning Python at this point, is of far more
general character. I want to simply learn the programming language,
writing small applications or routines - for daily computing. And yes, I
am an experienced programmer, coming from several other programming
languages, and with close to 4 decades of runtime.


Again, what I want to know, is which software or environment blind users
benefits from. If you happen to have any feedback - or even some sources
like links on the net - I would be glad to benefit from such as well.


Or, is it that simple, I need to perform some setting to have the
standard Python environment cooperate with my screen readers? Either a
setting in the Python system, or maybe in the screen reader itself.


quick note at last: I have tried to maximize both the Idle, and the
Python Shell windows. Still gave no results, that we would name
satisfactory.


Thanks to all who have inputs here; and sorry to the rest of you, for
cluttering the list.


locked Re: Reading past the visible screen on a CMD Window?

Ricardo Leonarczyk
 

Hi,

There's another method that works for CMD and PowerShell, but not for WSL Bash , which consists in:
1. Press alt+space bar to access the shell's menu or what else people call it.
2. Find the option "edit" with the arrow keys, or with short letter "e".
3. Open the menu and find the scroll option, it also have a shortcut to access, maybe "s" (my Windows language is not English).
4. Onece you've activated the scroll, the window title will change indicating scroll mode, and you can scroll the screens with page-up and page-down. Pressing control + page up or down will make NVDA not speak the prompt first, just starts the reading from the top of that screen.

Hope it helps.

Em seg, 1 de jul de 2019 às 14:12, Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs@...> escreveu:

Hello,
I don't think npm errors can be written to a file, as they happen after the application has been started. If I try:

npm start > filename.txt

only the first line of NPM output is sent to the console. Then half a second later, the error comes and my console is all taken up with the error.

Is there a way to view what NVDA has said in the last few minutes? That would also help. I think NVDA reads the output, at least the top, which is the important part.
Thanks,

On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 12:18 PM Cohn, Jonathan <jcohn@...> wrote:
If you can find the scroll bar, you can probably scroll up a page and use the review cursor to examine the page. That being said, it is more efficient to work directly with either less or an editor and a log file.

The less command will allow you to use slash or question mark to search forward and backward through the file, and puts the result on the top line of the terminal window.


-----Original Message-----
From: Luke Davis <luke@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2019 4:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading past the visible screen on a CMD Window?
Importance: Low

I don't know how to do this, but can't you pipe your compiler output through less?

npm --whatever 2>&1 | less

Luke

On Tue, 4 Jun 2019, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:

> Hello,Does anyone know how to read past the visible screen or scroll
> windows CMD windows either using NVDA key commands, an addon, or some command in Windows?
> Normally I select all by going to the system menu and copy the whole buffer to the clipboard.
> I am currently using an SSH session in the Ubuntu emulator by Windows,
> and the system menu is not there. I'm doing NodeJS development over SSH and I really need to scroll past the visible window to read the start of the error.







Re: Contact

Luke Davis
 

Ibrahim

It is more helpful to say exactly what version of NVDA you are using, not just that it's the latest version. We have no way to be sure that you are aware of what the latest version is, so it is always best to provide the actual number. This is found in the NVDA menu, under help, then about.

It would also be good to know what other applications you are running when this happens. Are you running some version of Office? Which web browsers? Does it only happen when certain websites are open?

I have observed this kind of problem before, but it usually happens because very specific applications are either crashing, or are consuming most system resources.

Luke

On Tue, 2 Jul 2019, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:

Please I want to know if the NVDA screen reader can be repaired. The
screen reader has been behaving abnormally for some time now.
It crashes unexpectedly, and some times does not make programs work.
When I am working on a website, the screen reader just stops talking,
creating problems for me, trying to figure out what might have gone
wrong. When I try to find out what the problem is by pressing alt+tab
to switch programs, all I hear is unknown or icon icon.
Now when I get frustrated and I want to shut down the computer, I am
made to understand that a number of programs are not allowing windows
to shut down.
Are there any solutions to these problems?
I use windows 7 32 bit, and I have the latest version of NVDA.


locked Re: Reading past the visible screen on a CMD Window?

Luke Davis
 

On Mon, 1 Jul 2019, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:

Hello,I don't think npm errors can be written to a file, as they happen after the application has been started. If I try:
All output happens after the application has started. In shells (DOS, Linux, whatever), generally output capture through redirection happens before the application is started, as the redirection controls which file descriptors are handed to the application. So the application gets one file to send its standard output to, another to send its standard error to, and another to read its standard input from. The shell provides those file descriptors, and they can point to anything--from the actual console, to a file on disk, or to a named pipe that is actually sending/receiving to/from another program. The application generally doesn't care what they are--they are all files as far as it's concerned, although some applications can behave differently depending on the nature of the file or device (ls, for example, behaves differently if its outputting to a console, than it does if its outputting to anything else), though that may be a Unix only thing.

> npm start > filename.txt

As Tony pointed out, you aren't capturing STDERR. One of these should work:

mvn --maven --options > my_error_file.txt 2>&1

mvn --Maven --options 2>&1 | less

The second one will pipe everything through the less pager instead of sending it to a file.

You can then read the screen normally with NVDA, pressing space for next page, enter for single line advance, q to quit, b to go back up, etc.

If you don't like having to press Q at the end to get out, substitute "more" for "less" on that last one.

I still don't know of any method to scroll up through command windows in an NVDA accessible way. I think some work may be in progress in core for this, but it is not complete, and I may be incorrect about the end result.
Search on github for what @codeofdust has been working on.

Luke


Re: NVDA 19.2

Sarah k Alawami
 

Not to be a pain in the but, but as I tell people who ask me when my next track will be released, it will be released when it's ready and not before. So 29.2 will be released when it's ready and not before, in case ther are little bug bares that need to be squashed.

Blessings

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 1 Jul 2019, at 21:15, Sky Mundell wrote:

Hello. This is Sky.  When do you think NVDA 2019.2 will be released? The full final version? Thanks, Sky.


NVDA 19.2

Sky Mundell
 

Hello. This is Sky.  When do you think NVDA 2019.2 will be released? The full final version? Thanks, Sky.


Re: Contact

 

hi quentin.
i have this issue for awhile and even my laptop becomes unusable for
thirty minutes!
overheating my laptop, unresponsiveness of my keyboard and nvda says unknown.
its because some websites use heavy javascript, and eat system
resources that make my computer unusable!
if i disable javascript or use lite websites, i dont have this issue!
i really wish and pray that one day i see disappearing javascript from
the world of technology and internet! i really hate this terrible
technology!

On 7/2/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Dear Ibrahim,

We've seen similar issues arise when programs have been installed or
uninstalled - not every time, but occasionally. There is a feature in NVDA
to attempt to repair this. If you can run NVDA, press NVDA+n, then T for
Tools. Then press R for "Run COM Registration fixing tool" and press ENTER
twice to run this tool. After running, and then rebooting your computer,
ideally, the problem should be fixed. Please do advise how you go with
this.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 12:16 PM Ibrahim Ajayi <kobisko@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello:
Please I want to know if the NVDA screen reader can be repaired. The
screen reader has been behaving abnormally for some time now.
It crashes unexpectedly, and some times does not make programs work.
When I am working on a website, the screen reader just stops talking,
creating problems for me, trying to figure out what might have gone
wrong. When I try to find out what the problem is by pressing alt+tab
to switch programs, all I hear is unknown or icon icon.
Now when I get frustrated and I want to shut down the computer, I am
made to understand that a number of programs are not allowing windows
to shut down.
Are there any solutions to these problems?
I use windows 7 32 bit, and I have the latest version of NVDA.
Hope my problem is well understood.
Hope to read a response.
Ibrahim.



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now available!

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Re: Contact

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi again


When you alt/tab does it say the name of the app that is in focus? if you have a few windows open if i do that it will say the name then i can use the alt key + f4 key to close each window then shut down the computer.


Down on your running application down on the task bar does it say what each one is like internet explorer etc or does it just say unknown?


Along with unknown or pane in all of your browsers or is it speaking in the web pages?


Depending what is mentioned is wheather you need to run the Run COM Registration Fixing tool... tool found under the tools menu. But do not think you have to go there.


Gene nz


On 2/07/2019 2:16 PM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
Hello:
Please I want to know if the NVDA screen reader can be repaired.  The
screen reader has been behaving abnormally for some time now.
It crashes unexpectedly, and some times does not make programs work.
When I am working on a website, the screen reader just stops talking,
creating problems for me, trying to figure out what might have gone
wrong.  When I try to find out what the problem is by pressing alt+tab
to switch programs, all I hear is unknown or icon icon.
Now when I get frustrated and I want to shut down the computer, I am
made to understand that a number of programs are not allowing windows
to shut down.
Are there any solutions to these problems?
I use windows 7 32 bit, and I have the latest version of NVDA.
Hope my problem is well understood.
Hope to read a response.
Ibrahim.



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