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Tutorials for Using Google Drive with NVDA

Dr. J. michael jones
 

Hello, I am needing help with google drive it is my first time using this platform, teaching college online and the system used for communication and sharing and documents is google drive.  Also I am not a real experienced NVDA user: Very experienced computer user, just some what new to NVDA.  Any help would be greatful, also willing to pay someone for some quick 1-1 help.

 

 

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 11:50:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Moving Forward on the NVDA Group #adminnotice
 

Moving Forward on the NVDA Group

Back in April, an admin notice entitled, Important: List Conduct, was posted, followed very shortly after by, NVDA List: A Reboot, both of which outlined the refocusing of the NVDA group on its reason for being.  That reason is assisting with questions directly related to the configuration and use of NVDA itself.  By extension, that covers add-ons, working with synthesizers and Braille display setup, and asking about other programs strictly with regard as to whether they are accessible, or to what extent they are accessible, using NVDA.

The NVDA group has over a thousand members, and each and every message to the group is an imposition on the time of those members (including this one, for which we apologize to many).   Our hope had been that a request from group leadership for a refocusing would have been enough to achieve it, but that has not occurred.

We have tried gently redirecting non-NVDA-related content to the NVDA Chat Subgroup or other appropriate venues, and also tried being more directive in recent weeks hoping this might do the trick, but it has not.  So, we are now faced with doing what we had not wished to, and that is heavy-handed moderation, at least for the time being.

Before sending any message to the group, it is imperative that you ask yourself, “Is what I’m about to ask or offer directly related to controlling or using NVDA, or whether a specific program is accessible with NVDA?” If the answer is not a direct and simple, “Yes,” please do not send that message to the NVDA group.  If you do, it will be promptly locked and a canned message regarding off-topic messages added.  Instead, join the NVDA Chat Subgroup and send it there, or to another venue.

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1.        There is a lack of member interest in discussing non-NVDA-related content with other members of the group, since only members of a main group may join a subgroup.  This is perfectly fine, since membership is optional by design.

2.      There is a belief that not asking the above-mentioned question, and having an honest “yes” as the answer, should not be a deterrent to posting whatever one wishes on the NVDA group.  This is not fine, and will not become fine, either.


We do not have the capability to move topics between the main group and the chat subgroup, or we would have been doing so, and there is no indication that this function will be forthcoming from Groups.io.

So, if you wish to engage in non-NVDA-related discussions, and it appears that a great many do, you will need to join the chat subgroup or take them to another venue where they are on-topic.  Again, for your records, the NVDA Chat Subgroup addresses are:

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If you have read this far, thank you. I hope, that with your help, we can scale back the thread hijacking, the off-topic messages, and the many repetitive posts in order to make this place a more inviting community for everyone who wishes to learn about, or help out with NVDA. Thank you for being part of this list, and thank you for your contributions. I hope they will continue. If, after you read this far, you choose to leave the list, however, please do so, please don't announce it before you leave because I don't care that you are leaving, and please feel free to return if you wish at a later time.

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Brian Vogel

NVDA Group Moderator


Re: Couple questions about portable version of NVDA

Gene
 

Window-eyes never saved settings permanently unless you told it to do so by using a save command.  Users could thus experiment with any settings they wanted and not worry that they would be saved.  As respected an instructor as Cathy Anne Murtha stated that his is an advantage of Window-eyes.  this was long before NVDA so it wasn't mentioned.
 
There is nothing wrong with the advice I gave. 
Here are a number of examples of why:
Suppose you are trying different voices and different reading speeds and perhaps other settings in various combinations.  If you shut down your computer without thinking about this either because you shut it down at night or you get an apply updates message from Windows or for some other reasons, all your experimental savings will be saved. 
 
Here is another example I just thought of.  You are using NVDA and your synthesizer, not NVDA, freezes.  If you use the shutdown and reboot command, does that mean that your temporary settings have been saved?  Maybe we will get an answer.  I suspect it does.  And if the synthesizer freezes, a lot of users wouldn't know how to determine this and would try to shut NvDA down and run it again or reboot the machine, thus shutting it down. 
 
Let's consider one more example.  Someone is trying a synthesizer for the first time and they aren't really knowledgeable users.  They tell NVDA to run the synthesizer.  It freezes.  The user doesn't know what to do and restarts the computer.  NVDA closes as a part of the shutdown.  The new synthesizer settings are saved.  The user doesn't know how to revert and is stuck with NVDA being unusable until he/she gets help.  All this would have been avoided if NVDA didn't save settings on exit.  The machine would reboot, and the old synthesizer would be used.  Save settings on exit is a very bad default.  If a knowledgeable user wants to use this setting, that's the knowledgeable users' decision.  It should not be the default setting.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Couple questions about portable version of NVDA

I am going to comment below on this saving settings thing, but I am shocked that this advice is being given to users. The actual hell?

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 5:26 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Unless you save the settings after you tell NVDA to use another voice, you can immediately revert to the voice that is in your saved configuration.  Just use the command control NvDA key r.  Even if you just change the reading speed of the voice in your saved configuration and want to set it back, you can use that command. 
Had this message ended here, I wouldn't comment. 
 
And I would strongly urge you to set NVDA not to automatically save settings when it closes so that any changes you make that are temporary won't accidentally be saved.  I think that automatic saving of settings on exit is an extremely poor default setting.  If it is off, you can change and experiment with any number of settings and not worry that they will accidentally be saved.  automatic saving of settings on exit doesn't assure this. 
What is so difficult about settings being inadvertently saved? You can always change them back to their defaults... You can change them again and exit and restart and they will be applied. In fact, you can change them and never worry about saving them because they will always be saved on exit.  
And what if you do something like reboot or shut down the computer.  NVDA will shut down and all temporary settings will now be permanent. 
Nothing is permanent. Why scare users by saying this crap? Change the setting again, next time NVDA starts your settings will be still applied.  
 
You can manually save settings with the command control NVDA key c.  So, as I said earlier, its control NVDA key r to return to the saved configuration and control NVDA key c to save whatever you have changed permanently.
Why remember that absolutely pointless command if your settings can always be saved when NVDA exits? Why have that extra step? Who cares if settings get inadvertently saved? You can unsave them. Before reboot you can revert them. After reboot you can change them back to whatever you want.  
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Luke
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Couple questions about portable version of NVDA

Hi Luke! Yes, it worked! NVDA+ control + S Then a couple arrow ups brought me to Espeak. And if I wanted to change back to vocalizer same thing but arrow down a couple. Quite handy. Thanks! The world needs more Luke’s.  a

> On Jun 27, 2019, at 5:38 PM, Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, supposedly less-good-looking other Luke.
>
> I know little and less about using vocalizer voices with NVDA, but I am reasonably sure that you can always switch back to eSpeak.
>
> It is possible to save configurations from within portable versions, so there is no need to generate a new portable copy just to change configurations, even synthesizer configurations.
>
> Launch your existing portable version, press NVDA+ctrl+s to open the synth settings dialog, press the up arrow a few times until you hear "eSpeak NG", and press enter.
> If it works to switch you to eSpeak, as it should, and you like the result, press NVDA+ctrl+c to save the current configuration.
>
> Now, if Vocalizer does something to munge up this process, everything I just said may be wrong, but I'm not sure why it would.
>
> In any case, it's worth a try. At worst you'll be left with no speech, and will have to restart with ctrl+alt+n, or whatever it is that you do to start NVDA.
>
> Well okay, at worstist, if you do end up with no speech, and the "save configuration on exit" setting (or the "Make sure all your mistakes are permanent ones" setting, as I call it) under general is set, you may end up breaking your portable copy. So maybe it's best to make sure that setting isn't set first (NVDA+ctrl+g).
>
> Luke (a proud eSpeak British English Max user since 2008)
>
>
>> On Thu, 27 Jun 2019, Luke wrote:
>>
>> Also, I know Espeek is more responsive and to put Espeek with my current saved settings and add ons on a portable version I would have to disable my current vocalizer voice first right? Last but not least I noticed there is another Luke on here so please don’t get confused as he is probably smarter, more informative and better looking than me LOL.
>
>
>




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Re: Couple questions about portable version of NVDA

Gene
 

And here is another brief and related example.  At times, people purchase a synthesizer but, due to a license problem, they are placed in a message, using the new synthesizer, that it must be registered.  A lot of not particularly knowledgeable users would shut down the screen-reader or their computer, thus saving that synthesizer as the default. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Couple questions about portable version of NVDA

Window-eyes never saved settings permanently unless you told it to do so by using a save command.  Users could thus experiment with any settings they wanted and not worry that they would be saved.  As respected an instructor as Cathy Anne Murtha stated that his is an advantage of Window-eyes.  this was long before NVDA so it wasn't mentioned.
 
There is nothing wrong with the advice I gave. 
Here are a number of examples of why:
Suppose you are trying different voices and different reading speeds and perhaps other settings in various combinations.  If you shut down your computer without thinking about this either because you shut it down at night or you get an apply updates message from Windows or for some other reasons, all your experimental savings will be saved. 
 
Here is another example I just thought of.  You are using NVDA and your synthesizer, not NVDA, freezes.  If you use the shutdown and reboot command, does that mean that your temporary settings have been saved?  Maybe we will get an answer.  I suspect it does.  And if the synthesizer freezes, a lot of users wouldn't know how to determine this and would try to shut NvDA down and run it again or reboot the machine, thus shutting it down. 
 
Let's consider one more example.  Someone is trying a synthesizer for the first time and they aren't really knowledgeable users.  They tell NVDA to run the synthesizer.  It freezes.  The user doesn't know what to do and restarts the computer.  NVDA closes as a part of the shutdown.  The new synthesizer settings are saved.  The user doesn't know how to revert and is stuck with NVDA being unusable until he/she gets help.  All this would have been avoided if NVDA didn't save settings on exit.  The machine would reboot, and the old synthesizer would be used.  Save settings on exit is a very bad default.  If a knowledgeable user wants to use this setting, that's the knowledgeable users' decision.  It should not be the default setting.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Couple questions about portable version of NVDA

I am going to comment below on this saving settings thing, but I am shocked that this advice is being given to users. The actual hell?

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 5:26 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Unless you save the settings after you tell NVDA to use another voice, you can immediately revert to the voice that is in your saved configuration.  Just use the command control NvDA key r.  Even if you just change the reading speed of the voice in your saved configuration and want to set it back, you can use that command. 
Had this message ended here, I wouldn't comment. 
 
And I would strongly urge you to set NVDA not to automatically save settings when it closes so that any changes you make that are temporary won't accidentally be saved.  I think that automatic saving of settings on exit is an extremely poor default setting.  If it is off, you can change and experiment with any number of settings and not worry that they will accidentally be saved.  automatic saving of settings on exit doesn't assure this. 
What is so difficult about settings being inadvertently saved? You can always change them back to their defaults... You can change them again and exit and restart and they will be applied. In fact, you can change them and never worry about saving them because they will always be saved on exit.  
And what if you do something like reboot or shut down the computer.  NVDA will shut down and all temporary settings will now be permanent. 
Nothing is permanent. Why scare users by saying this crap? Change the setting again, next time NVDA starts your settings will be still applied.  
 
You can manually save settings with the command control NVDA key c.  So, as I said earlier, its control NVDA key r to return to the saved configuration and control NVDA key c to save whatever you have changed permanently.
Why remember that absolutely pointless command if your settings can always be saved when NVDA exits? Why have that extra step? Who cares if settings get inadvertently saved? You can unsave them. Before reboot you can revert them. After reboot you can change them back to whatever you want.  
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Luke
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Couple questions about portable version of NVDA

Hi Luke! Yes, it worked! NVDA+ control + S Then a couple arrow ups brought me to Espeak. And if I wanted to change back to vocalizer same thing but arrow down a couple. Quite handy. Thanks! The world needs more Luke’s.  a

> On Jun 27, 2019, at 5:38 PM, Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, supposedly less-good-looking other Luke.
>
> I know little and less about using vocalizer voices with NVDA, but I am reasonably sure that you can always switch back to eSpeak.
>
> It is possible to save configurations from within portable versions, so there is no need to generate a new portable copy just to change configurations, even synthesizer configurations.
>
> Launch your existing portable version, press NVDA+ctrl+s to open the synth settings dialog, press the up arrow a few times until you hear "eSpeak NG", and press enter.
> If it works to switch you to eSpeak, as it should, and you like the result, press NVDA+ctrl+c to save the current configuration.
>
> Now, if Vocalizer does something to munge up this process, everything I just said may be wrong, but I'm not sure why it would.
>
> In any case, it's worth a try. At worst you'll be left with no speech, and will have to restart with ctrl+alt+n, or whatever it is that you do to start NVDA.
>
> Well okay, at worstist, if you do end up with no speech, and the "save configuration on exit" setting (or the "Make sure all your mistakes are permanent ones" setting, as I call it) under general is set, you may end up breaking your portable copy. So maybe it's best to make sure that setting isn't set first (NVDA+ctrl+g).
>
> Luke (a proud eSpeak British English Max user since 2008)
>
>
>> On Thu, 27 Jun 2019, Luke wrote:
>>
>> Also, I know Espeek is more responsive and to put Espeek with my current saved settings and add ons on a portable version I would have to disable my current vocalizer voice first right? Last but not least I noticed there is another Luke on here so please don’t get confused as he is probably smarter, more informative and better looking than me LOL.
>
>
>




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Re: Couple questions about portable version of NVDA

 

Hi,

To add a small note: in recent NVDA releases, add-ons can save their own settings and restore them to saved settings or to defaults if they choose to participate in config save/revert/restore mechanism. This is crucial, as it allows users of add-ons to be assured that add-ons that participate in this scheme can get a chance to flush settings away safely (provided no errors are encountered). Even though I wrote that code in NVDA Core, my add-ons didn’t adopt this scheme until late last year to guarantee backward compatibility for several months.

At the moment the only known add-on that participates in this scheme is StationPlaylist (mine) because it uses a configuration facility separate from NVDA. That add-on can save, revert, and restore settings, taking into account various scenarios where things can go wrong, provided that you invoke config save/revert/restore command from the keyboard or from NVDA menu. Sometime this summer I plan to teach Add-on Updater to take advantage of this scheme, and if time permits, also teach Golden Cursor.

As for the internals of how this scheme (rather, a collection of extension points) works, either talk to me directly or ask on NVDA development mailing list.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 8:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Group Moderators <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Couple questions about portable version of NVDA

 

I am going to comment below on this saving settings thing, but I am shocked that this advice is being given to users. The actual hell?

 

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 5:26 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Unless you save the settings after you tell NVDA to use another voice, you can immediately revert to the voice that is in your saved configuration.  Just use the command control NvDA key r.  Even if you just change the reading speed of the voice in your saved configuration and want to set it back, you can use that command. 

Had this message ended here, I wouldn't comment. 

 

And I would strongly urge you to set NVDA not to automatically save settings when it closes so that any changes you make that are temporary won't accidentally be saved.  I think that automatic saving of settings on exit is an extremely poor default setting.  If it is off, you can change and experiment with any number of settings and not worry that they will accidentally be saved.  automatic saving of settings on exit doesn't assure this. 

What is so difficult about settings being inadvertently saved? You can always change them back to their defaults... You can change them again and exit and restart and they will be applied. In fact, you can change them and never worry about saving them because they will always be saved on exit.  

And what if you do something like reboot or shut down the computer.  NVDA will shut down and all temporary settings will now be permanent. 

Nothing is permanent. Why scare users by saying this crap? Change the setting again, next time NVDA starts your settings will be still applied.  

 

You can manually save settings with the command control NVDA key c.  So, as I said earlier, its control NVDA key r to return to the saved configuration and control NVDA key c to save whatever you have changed permanently.

Why remember that absolutely pointless command if your settings can always be saved when NVDA exits? Why have that extra step? Who cares if settings get inadvertently saved? You can unsave them. Before reboot you can revert them. After reboot you can change them back to whatever you want.  

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Luke

Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 6:14 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Couple questions about portable version of NVDA

 

Hi Luke! Yes, it worked! NVDA+ control + S Then a couple arrow ups brought me to Espeak. And if I wanted to change back to vocalizer same thing but arrow down a couple. Quite handy. Thanks! The world needs more Luke’s.  a

> On Jun 27, 2019, at 5:38 PM, Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, supposedly less-good-looking other Luke.
>
> I know little and less about using vocalizer voices with NVDA, but I am reasonably sure that you can always switch back to eSpeak.
>
> It is possible to save configurations from within portable versions, so there is no need to generate a new portable copy just to change configurations, even synthesizer configurations.
>
> Launch your existing portable version, press NVDA+ctrl+s to open the synth settings dialog, press the up arrow a few times until you hear "eSpeak NG", and press enter.
> If it works to switch you to eSpeak, as it should, and you like the result, press NVDA+ctrl+c to save the current configuration.
>
> Now, if Vocalizer does something to munge up this process, everything I just said may be wrong, but I'm not sure why it would.
>
> In any case, it's worth a try. At worst you'll be left with no speech, and will have to restart with ctrl+alt+n, or whatever it is that you do to start NVDA.
>
> Well okay, at worstist, if you do end up with no speech, and the "save configuration on exit" setting (or the "Make sure all your mistakes are permanent ones" setting, as I call it) under general is set, you may end up breaking your portable copy. So maybe it's best to make sure that setting isn't set first (NVDA+ctrl+g).
>
> Luke (a proud eSpeak British English Max user since 2008)
>
>
>> On Thu, 27 Jun 2019, Luke wrote:
>>
>> Also, I know Espeek is more responsive and to put Espeek with my current saved settings and add ons on a portable version I would have to disable my current vocalizer voice first right? Last but not least I noticed there is another Luke on here so please don’t get confused as he is probably smarter, more informative and better looking than me LOL.
>
>
>


 

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Re: Couple questions about portable version of NVDA

Nimer Jaber
 

I am going to comment below on this saving settings thing, but I am shocked that this advice is being given to users. The actual hell?

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 5:26 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Unless you save the settings after you tell NVDA to use another voice, you can immediately revert to the voice that is in your saved configuration.  Just use the command control NvDA key r.  Even if you just change the reading speed of the voice in your saved configuration and want to set it back, you can use that command. 
Had this message ended here, I wouldn't comment. 
 
And I would strongly urge you to set NVDA not to automatically save settings when it closes so that any changes you make that are temporary won't accidentally be saved.  I think that automatic saving of settings on exit is an extremely poor default setting.  If it is off, you can change and experiment with any number of settings and not worry that they will accidentally be saved.  automatic saving of settings on exit doesn't assure this. 
What is so difficult about settings being inadvertently saved? You can always change them back to their defaults... You can change them again and exit and restart and they will be applied. In fact, you can change them and never worry about saving them because they will always be saved on exit.  
And what if you do something like reboot or shut down the computer.  NVDA will shut down and all temporary settings will now be permanent. 
Nothing is permanent. Why scare users by saying this crap? Change the setting again, next time NVDA starts your settings will be still applied.  
 
You can manually save settings with the command control NVDA key c.  So, as I said earlier, its control NVDA key r to return to the saved configuration and control NVDA key c to save whatever you have changed permanently.
Why remember that absolutely pointless command if your settings can always be saved when NVDA exits? Why have that extra step? Who cares if settings get inadvertently saved? You can unsave them. Before reboot you can revert them. After reboot you can change them back to whatever you want.  
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Luke
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Couple questions about portable version of NVDA

Hi Luke! Yes, it worked! NVDA+ control + S Then a couple arrow ups brought me to Espeak. And if I wanted to change back to vocalizer same thing but arrow down a couple. Quite handy. Thanks! The world needs more Luke’s.  a

> On Jun 27, 2019, at 5:38 PM, Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, supposedly less-good-looking other Luke.
>
> I know little and less about using vocalizer voices with NVDA, but I am reasonably sure that you can always switch back to eSpeak.
>
> It is possible to save configurations from within portable versions, so there is no need to generate a new portable copy just to change configurations, even synthesizer configurations.
>
> Launch your existing portable version, press NVDA+ctrl+s to open the synth settings dialog, press the up arrow a few times until you hear "eSpeak NG", and press enter.
> If it works to switch you to eSpeak, as it should, and you like the result, press NVDA+ctrl+c to save the current configuration.
>
> Now, if Vocalizer does something to munge up this process, everything I just said may be wrong, but I'm not sure why it would.
>
> In any case, it's worth a try. At worst you'll be left with no speech, and will have to restart with ctrl+alt+n, or whatever it is that you do to start NVDA.
>
> Well okay, at worstist, if you do end up with no speech, and the "save configuration on exit" setting (or the "Make sure all your mistakes are permanent ones" setting, as I call it) under general is set, you may end up breaking your portable copy. So maybe it's best to make sure that setting isn't set first (NVDA+ctrl+g).
>
> Luke (a proud eSpeak British English Max user since 2008)
>
>
>> On Thu, 27 Jun 2019, Luke wrote:
>>
>> Also, I know Espeek is more responsive and to put Espeek with my current saved settings and add ons on a portable version I would have to disable my current vocalizer voice first right? Last but not least I noticed there is another Luke on here so please don’t get confused as he is probably smarter, more informative and better looking than me LOL.
>
>
>




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Re: Couple questions about portable version of NVDA

Luke
 

Thanks for the info and good points Gene. I’m on the fence whether I want NVDA To save settings when you exit. I’m going to mull it over.  

On Jun 27, 2019, at 8:26 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Unless you save the settings after you tell NVDA to use another voice, you can immediately revert to the voice that is in your saved configuration.  Just use the command control NvDA key r.  Even if you just change the reading speed of the voice in your saved configuration and want to set it back, you can use that command. 
 
And I would strongly urge you to set NVDA not to automatically save settings when it closes so that any changes you make that are temporary won't accidentally be saved.  I think that automatic saving of settings on exit is an extremely poor default setting.  If it is off, you can change and experiment with any number of settings and not worry that they will accidentally be saved.  automatic saving of settings on exit doesn't assure this.  And what if you do something like reboot or shut down the computer.  NVDA will shut down and all temporary settings will now be permanent. 
 
You can manually save settings with the command control NVDA key c.  So, as I said earlier, its control NVDA key r to return to the saved configuration and control NVDA key c to save whatever you have changed permanently.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Luke
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Couple questions about portable version of NVDA

Hi Luke! Yes, it worked! NVDA+ control + S Then a couple arrow ups brought me to Espeak. And if I wanted to change back to vocalizer same thing but arrow down a couple. Quite handy. Thanks! The world needs more Luke’s.  a

> On Jun 27, 2019, at 5:38 PM, Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, supposedly less-good-looking other Luke.
>
> I know little and less about using vocalizer voices with NVDA, but I am reasonably sure that you can always switch back to eSpeak.
>
> It is possible to save configurations from within portable versions, so there is no need to generate a new portable copy just to change configurations, even synthesizer configurations.
>
> Launch your existing portable version, press NVDA+ctrl+s to open the synth settings dialog, press the up arrow a few times until you hear "eSpeak NG", and press enter.
> If it works to switch you to eSpeak, as it should, and you like the result, press NVDA+ctrl+c to save the current configuration.
>
> Now, if Vocalizer does something to munge up this process, everything I just said may be wrong, but I'm not sure why it would.
>
> In any case, it's worth a try. At worst you'll be left with no speech, and will have to restart with ctrl+alt+n, or whatever it is that you do to start NVDA.
>
> Well okay, at worstist, if you do end up with no speech, and the "save configuration on exit" setting (or the "Make sure all your mistakes are permanent ones" setting, as I call it) under general is set, you may end up breaking your portable copy. So maybe it's best to make sure that setting isn't set first (NVDA+ctrl+g).
>
> Luke (a proud eSpeak British English Max user since 2008)
>
>
>> On Thu, 27 Jun 2019, Luke wrote:
>>
>> Also, I know Espeek is more responsive and to put Espeek with my current saved settings and add ons on a portable version I would have to disable my current vocalizer voice first right? Last but not least I noticed there is another Luke on here so please don’t get confused as he is probably smarter, more informative and better looking than me LOL.
>
>
>



Re: Couple questions about portable version of NVDA

Gene
 

Unless you save the settings after you tell NVDA to use another voice, you can immediately revert to the voice that is in your saved configuration.  Just use the command control NvDA key r.  Even if you just change the reading speed of the voice in your saved configuration and want to set it back, you can use that command. 
 
And I would strongly urge you to set NVDA not to automatically save settings when it closes so that any changes you make that are temporary won't accidentally be saved.  I think that automatic saving of settings on exit is an extremely poor default setting.  If it is off, you can change and experiment with any number of settings and not worry that they will accidentally be saved.  automatic saving of settings on exit doesn't assure this.  And what if you do something like reboot or shut down the computer.  NVDA will shut down and all temporary settings will now be permanent. 
 
You can manually save settings with the command control NVDA key c.  So, as I said earlier, its control NVDA key r to return to the saved configuration and control NVDA key c to save whatever you have changed permanently.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Luke
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Couple questions about portable version of NVDA

Hi Luke! Yes, it worked! NVDA+ control + S Then a couple arrow ups brought me to Espeak. And if I wanted to change back to vocalizer same thing but arrow down a couple. Quite handy. Thanks! The world needs more Luke’s.  a

> On Jun 27, 2019, at 5:38 PM, Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, supposedly less-good-looking other Luke.
>
> I know little and less about using vocalizer voices with NVDA, but I am reasonably sure that you can always switch back to eSpeak.
>
> It is possible to save configurations from within portable versions, so there is no need to generate a new portable copy just to change configurations, even synthesizer configurations.
>
> Launch your existing portable version, press NVDA+ctrl+s to open the synth settings dialog, press the up arrow a few times until you hear "eSpeak NG", and press enter.
> If it works to switch you to eSpeak, as it should, and you like the result, press NVDA+ctrl+c to save the current configuration.
>
> Now, if Vocalizer does something to munge up this process, everything I just said may be wrong, but I'm not sure why it would.
>
> In any case, it's worth a try. At worst you'll be left with no speech, and will have to restart with ctrl+alt+n, or whatever it is that you do to start NVDA.
>
> Well okay, at worstist, if you do end up with no speech, and the "save configuration on exit" setting (or the "Make sure all your mistakes are permanent ones" setting, as I call it) under general is set, you may end up breaking your portable copy. So maybe it's best to make sure that setting isn't set first (NVDA+ctrl+g).
>
> Luke (a proud eSpeak British English Max user since 2008)
>
>
>> On Thu, 27 Jun 2019, Luke wrote:
>>
>> Also, I know Espeek is more responsive and to put Espeek with my current saved settings and add ons on a portable version I would have to disable my current vocalizer voice first right? Last but not least I noticed there is another Luke on here so please don’t get confused as he is probably smarter, more informative and better looking than me LOL.
>
>
>



Re: NV Access' New video featured in this week's In-Process

Quentin Christensen
 

I know there are a few different synths around which are popular with different people, Acapela, Infovox is another one.  In the end, I didn't want to change voices too many times - just enough to reinforce that there are options.  The plan is to make more videos over time on various topics, and I'm sure one of the features will be not always using the same synth for every one, so there will be bound to be opportunities to give everything a go.


On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 8:01 AM Stephen Thacker <stephenthacker1964@...> wrote:

Hi Quinten, did you consider Accapella Voices which the Braillenote Touch Plus uses?

 

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Re: Couple questions about portable version of NVDA

Luke
 

Hi Luke! Yes, it worked! NVDA+ control + S Then a couple arrow ups brought me to Espeak. And if I wanted to change back to vocalizer same thing but arrow down a couple. Quite handy. Thanks! The world needs more Luke’s. a

On Jun 27, 2019, at 5:38 PM, Luke Davis <luke@newanswertech.com> wrote:

Hi, supposedly less-good-looking other Luke.

I know little and less about using vocalizer voices with NVDA, but I am reasonably sure that you can always switch back to eSpeak.

It is possible to save configurations from within portable versions, so there is no need to generate a new portable copy just to change configurations, even synthesizer configurations.

Launch your existing portable version, press NVDA+ctrl+s to open the synth settings dialog, press the up arrow a few times until you hear "eSpeak NG", and press enter.
If it works to switch you to eSpeak, as it should, and you like the result, press NVDA+ctrl+c to save the current configuration.

Now, if Vocalizer does something to munge up this process, everything I just said may be wrong, but I'm not sure why it would.

In any case, it's worth a try. At worst you'll be left with no speech, and will have to restart with ctrl+alt+n, or whatever it is that you do to start NVDA.

Well okay, at worstist, if you do end up with no speech, and the "save configuration on exit" setting (or the "Make sure all your mistakes are permanent ones" setting, as I call it) under general is set, you may end up breaking your portable copy. So maybe it's best to make sure that setting isn't set first (NVDA+ctrl+g).

Luke (a proud eSpeak British English Max user since 2008)


On Thu, 27 Jun 2019, Luke wrote:

Also, I know Espeek is more responsive and to put Espeek with my current saved settings and add ons on a portable version I would have to disable my current vocalizer voice first right? Last but not least I noticed there is another Luke on here so please don’t get confused as he is probably smarter, more informative and better looking than me LOL.


Re: nvda gives me silent treatment

Gary Metzler
 

Hi All,

 

I am getting the silent treatment in outlook and notepad.  Is there a fix for this?  Thanks for any help.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 5:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda gives me silent treatment

 

Hi

 

Not sure if the windows esentuals add on will fix it but I know back a few versions of Windows 10 there had to be work done on the windows side to fix that problem.

 

I am pretty sure you are going to have to upgrade your version of windows so it speaks in those areas in windows mail.

 

There is a mention in the tutorial for windows mail and also Microsoft edge the older version of it.

 

The link to this page where it comes off is http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html

When you get to the page jump down by heading until you get to the windows mail tutorial.

 

I am guessing you have a old er version of windows maybe 1803? I just can not remember when it got fixed.

 

Gene nz

 

 

 

On 27/06/2019 3:37 AM, marvin kotler wrote:

Good morning listers.  Having trouble when writing a message in windows mail.  Nvda does not speak to me when I type; Tried notepad also and he speaks fine.  Have characters, words and speech on.  If anyone has suggestions of anything else I might try, thanks in advance.

Marv

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

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Re: nvda gives me silent treatment

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


Not sure if the windows esentuals add on will fix it but I know back a few versions of Windows 10 there had to be work done on the windows side to fix that problem.


I am pretty sure you are going to have to upgrade your version of windows so it speaks in those areas in windows mail.


There is a mention in the tutorial for windows mail and also Microsoft edge the older version of it.


The link to this page where it comes off is http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html

When you get to the page jump down by heading until you get to the windows mail tutorial.


I am guessing you have a old er version of windows maybe 1803? I just can not remember when it got fixed.


Gene nz




On 27/06/2019 3:37 AM, marvin kotler wrote:

Good morning listers.  Having trouble when writing a message in windows mail.  Nvda does not speak to me when I type; Tried notepad also and he speaks fine.  Have characters, words and speech on.  If anyone has suggestions of anything else I might try, thanks in advance.

Marv

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

--
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To find out which library networks in New Zealand have a copy of the NVDA screen reader on them and there library locations please go to http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nz%20libraries%20with%20nvda.html
To find a NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


locked Re: Moving Forward on the NVDA Group #adminnotice

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello Julie,

1. this is an example of what not to do when you have a disagreement with a moderator. Namely, responding to another message which is unrelated to your original thread, on list, for over 1000 members to read. If you have an issue, you have been provided with the address which will reach owner/moderator, and it is expected that you reach out and express your concerns.
2. Brian is not perfect, I am not either. We likely will make mistakes. We are, however, not robots, and are open to learning, growing, and changing. If a mistake was made in the response to a thread, it can only be corrected if an individual reaches out and points out the error.
3. If anyone has further comments on the moderation policies, please send an email to nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io

thanks.

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 2:33 PM Julie Melton <organsinger@...> wrote:
Hi, Brian.
I understand that you want to keep messages on topic, particularly on such a large and busy list as this one. What I cannot understand, however, is that when I posted a topic on the accessibility of a program, namely studio one, you basically said that the only thing that was on topic was finding resources to access this program through NVDA. I also asked about the extent of accessibility through NVDA, and this was pooh-poohed. Since this was my first post on the list ever, this felt rather personal and hurtful to me. Yes, I understand that you will want to be more heavy-handed on moderation. However, please continue to allow messages that are so clearly on topic. Thank you.
Julie


On Jun 27, 2019, at 2:50 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Moving Forward on the NVDA Group

Back in April, an admin notice entitled, Important: List Conduct, was posted, followed very shortly after by, NVDA List: A Reboot, both of which outlined the refocusing of the NVDA group on its reason for being.  That reason is assisting with questions directly related to the configuration and use of NVDA itself.  By extension, that covers add-ons, working with synthesizers and Braille display setup, and asking about other programs strictly with regard as to whether they are accessible, or to what extent they are accessible, using NVDA.

The NVDA group has over a thousand members, and each and every message to the group is an imposition on the time of those members (including this one, for which we apologize to many).   Our hope had been that a request from group leadership for a refocusing would have been enough to achieve it, but that has not occurred.

We have tried gently redirecting non-NVDA-related content to the NVDA Chat Subgroup or other appropriate venues, and also tried being more directive in recent weeks hoping this might do the trick, but it has not.  So, we are now faced with doing what we had not wished to, and that is heavy-handed moderation, at least for the time being.

Before sending any message to the group, it is imperative that you ask yourself, “Is what I’m about to ask or offer directly related to controlling or using NVDA, or whether a specific program is accessible with NVDA?” If the answer is not a direct and simple, “Yes,” please do not send that message to the NVDA group.  If you do, it will be promptly locked and a canned message regarding off-topic messages added.  Instead, join the NVDA Chat Subgroup and send it there, or to another venue.

The lack of subscribers to the NVDA Chat Subgroup is indicative of one or both of the following:

1.        There is a lack of member interest in discussing non-NVDA-related content with other members of the group, since only members of a main group may join a subgroup.  This is perfectly fine, since membership is optional by design.

2.      There is a belief that not asking the above-mentioned question, and having an honest “yes” as the answer, should not be a deterrent to posting whatever one wishes on the NVDA group.  This is not fine, and will not become fine, either.


We do not have the capability to move topics between the main group and the chat subgroup, or we would have been doing so, and there is no indication that this function will be forthcoming from Groups.io.

So, if you wish to engage in non-NVDA-related discussions, and it appears that a great many do, you will need to join the chat subgroup or take them to another venue where they are on-topic.  Again, for your records, the NVDA Chat Subgroup addresses are:

In closing, we repeat the final paragraph of the administrative message regarding list conduct:

If you have read this far, thank you. I hope, that with your help, we can scale back the thread hijacking, the off-topic messages, and the many repetitive posts in order to make this place a more inviting community for everyone who wishes to learn about, or help out with NVDA. Thank you for being part of this list, and thank you for your contributions. I hope they will continue. If, after you read this far, you choose to leave the list, however, please do so, please don't announce it before you leave because I don't care that you are leaving, and please feel free to return if you wish at a later time.

Nimer Jaber

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Re: Couple questions about portable version of NVDA

Luke Davis
 

Hi, supposedly less-good-looking other Luke.

I know little and less about using vocalizer voices with NVDA, but I am reasonably sure that you can always switch back to eSpeak.

It is possible to save configurations from within portable versions, so there is no need to generate a new portable copy just to change configurations, even synthesizer configurations.

Launch your existing portable version, press NVDA+ctrl+s to open the synth settings dialog, press the up arrow a few times until you hear "eSpeak NG", and press enter.
If it works to switch you to eSpeak, as it should, and you like the result, press NVDA+ctrl+c to save the current configuration.

Now, if Vocalizer does something to munge up this process, everything I just said may be wrong, but I'm not sure why it would.

In any case, it's worth a try. At worst you'll be left with no speech, and will have to restart with ctrl+alt+n, or whatever it is that you do to start NVDA.

Well okay, at worstist, if you do end up with no speech, and the "save configuration on exit" setting (or the "Make sure all your mistakes are permanent ones" setting, as I call it) under general is set, you may end up breaking your portable copy. So maybe it's best to make sure that setting isn't set first (NVDA+ctrl+g).

Luke (a proud eSpeak British English Max user since 2008)

On Thu, 27 Jun 2019, Luke wrote:

Also, I know Espeek is more responsive and to put Espeek with my current saved settings and add ons on a portable version I would have to disable my current vocalizer voice first right? Last but not least I noticed there is another Luke on here so please don’t get confused as he is probably smarter, more informative and better looking than me LOL.


locked Re: Moving Forward on the NVDA Group #adminnotice

Julie Melton <organsinger@...>
 

Hi, Brian.
I understand that you want to keep messages on topic, particularly on such a large and busy list as this one. What I cannot understand, however, is that when I posted a topic on the accessibility of a program, namely studio one, you basically said that the only thing that was on topic was finding resources to access this program through NVDA. I also asked about the extent of accessibility through NVDA, and this was pooh-poohed. Since this was my first post on the list ever, this felt rather personal and hurtful to me. Yes, I understand that you will want to be more heavy-handed on moderation. However, please continue to allow messages that are so clearly on topic. Thank you.
Julie


On Jun 27, 2019, at 2:50 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Moving Forward on the NVDA Group

Back in April, an admin notice entitled, Important: List Conduct, was posted, followed very shortly after by, NVDA List: A Reboot, both of which outlined the refocusing of the NVDA group on its reason for being.  That reason is assisting with questions directly related to the configuration and use of NVDA itself.  By extension, that covers add-ons, working with synthesizers and Braille display setup, and asking about other programs strictly with regard as to whether they are accessible, or to what extent they are accessible, using NVDA.

The NVDA group has over a thousand members, and each and every message to the group is an imposition on the time of those members (including this one, for which we apologize to many).   Our hope had been that a request from group leadership for a refocusing would have been enough to achieve it, but that has not occurred.

We have tried gently redirecting non-NVDA-related content to the NVDA Chat Subgroup or other appropriate venues, and also tried being more directive in recent weeks hoping this might do the trick, but it has not.  So, we are now faced with doing what we had not wished to, and that is heavy-handed moderation, at least for the time being.

Before sending any message to the group, it is imperative that you ask yourself, “Is what I’m about to ask or offer directly related to controlling or using NVDA, or whether a specific program is accessible with NVDA?” If the answer is not a direct and simple, “Yes,” please do not send that message to the NVDA group.  If you do, it will be promptly locked and a canned message regarding off-topic messages added.  Instead, join the NVDA Chat Subgroup and send it there, or to another venue.

The lack of subscribers to the NVDA Chat Subgroup is indicative of one or both of the following:

1.        There is a lack of member interest in discussing non-NVDA-related content with other members of the group, since only members of a main group may join a subgroup.  This is perfectly fine, since membership is optional by design.

2.      There is a belief that not asking the above-mentioned question, and having an honest “yes” as the answer, should not be a deterrent to posting whatever one wishes on the NVDA group.  This is not fine, and will not become fine, either.


We do not have the capability to move topics between the main group and the chat subgroup, or we would have been doing so, and there is no indication that this function will be forthcoming from Groups.io.

So, if you wish to engage in non-NVDA-related discussions, and it appears that a great many do, you will need to join the chat subgroup or take them to another venue where they are on-topic.  Again, for your records, the NVDA Chat Subgroup addresses are:

In closing, we repeat the final paragraph of the administrative message regarding list conduct:

If you have read this far, thank you. I hope, that with your help, we can scale back the thread hijacking, the off-topic messages, and the many repetitive posts in order to make this place a more inviting community for everyone who wishes to learn about, or help out with NVDA. Thank you for being part of this list, and thank you for your contributions. I hope they will continue. If, after you read this far, you choose to leave the list, however, please do so, please don't announce it before you leave because I don't care that you are leaving, and please feel free to return if you wish at a later time.

Nimer Jaber

NVDA Group Owner

 

Brian Vogel

NVDA Group Moderator


locked Re: new ribbon disabler available.

 

This topic is now locked, as it is off-topic for the NVDA Group.


With regard to the NVDA Group, its purpose, and expectations of both administration and members, no one has put it better than our group owner, Nimer Jaber, in his Administrative Message of April 11, 2019, entitled, Important:  List Conduct.  I suggest every member read it, again, and give it careful consideration.

The group rules are sent out to each and every member when they subscribe, and a monthly reminder will be coming out going forward.   Those rules are not negotiable nor are they up for debate on the list.  Deciding where a post belongs is a very simple matter.  Ask, “Is what I’m about to ask or offer directly related to controlling or using NVDA, or whether a specific program is accessible with NVDA?”  If the answer is yes, the message is appropriate for the NVDA group.  If the answer is no, then the topic belongs on the Chat Subgroup or somewhere else entirely where it is on-topic.  This is not difficult to understand, nor is it up for debate.  It is the primary group rule and will remain so.


Virtually every member of this group is an active user of NVDA as an accessibility tool.  That does not make a question about something else, even if you’re using NVDA to access it, about NVDA.  Questions regarding how to access something with NVDA are not the same as asking about how to control a given program or get to a feature in it via the keyboard.


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Re: nvda gets stuck on something called landscape

 

No the display driver has crashed.

Check for updates, the latest optional amd works, nvidia depends on your card.

Amd it depends on your card but only if you use hd below 8000x and higher.



On 28/06/2019 7:41 AM, JM Casey wrote:

Well, not sure, but it sounds like screen orientation. Never had this come up with windows but I definitely keep my phone locked in portrait rather than landscape mode. Um, could you have turned on tablet mode by accident?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: June 27, 2019 2:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda gets stuck on something called landscape

 

Good afternoon listers; first, running latest version of nvda and windows 1903.  When something called landscape comes up, nvda gets stuck on the taskbar and will go nowhere else.  I have to do a hard restart of the computer when this happens.  My question is what is landscape; can I get rid of this for something else more friendly? Thanks in advance.

Marv

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: nvda gets stuck on something called landscape

 

Get the latest drivers.

Amd 2019.6.3 is out and yeah it works.



On 28/06/2019 7:31 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

sounds like a display issue. I would not change it as if you do your sightlings will have to turn their head sideways to see the screen properly. Have you tried hitting windows d to get to the desktop? I'm guessing now, also check for driver updates just in case?

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On 27 Jun 2019, at 11:42, marvin kotler wrote:

Good afternoon listers; first, running latest version of nvda and windows 1903.  When something called landscape comes up, nvda gets stuck on the taskbar and will go nowhere else.  I have to do a hard restart of the computer when this happens.  My question is what is landscape; can I get rid of this for something else more friendly? Thanks in advance.

Marv

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


locked Moving Forward on the NVDA Group #adminnotice

 

Moving Forward on the NVDA Group

Back in April, an admin notice entitled, Important: List Conduct, was posted, followed very shortly after by, NVDA List: A Reboot, both of which outlined the refocusing of the NVDA group on its reason for being.  That reason is assisting with questions directly related to the configuration and use of NVDA itself.  By extension, that covers add-ons, working with synthesizers and Braille display setup, and asking about other programs strictly with regard as to whether they are accessible, or to what extent they are accessible, using NVDA.

The NVDA group has over a thousand members, and each and every message to the group is an imposition on the time of those members (including this one, for which we apologize to many).   Our hope had been that a request from group leadership for a refocusing would have been enough to achieve it, but that has not occurred.

We have tried gently redirecting non-NVDA-related content to the NVDA Chat Subgroup or other appropriate venues, and also tried being more directive in recent weeks hoping this might do the trick, but it has not.  So, we are now faced with doing what we had not wished to, and that is heavy-handed moderation, at least for the time being.

Before sending any message to the group, it is imperative that you ask yourself, “Is what I’m about to ask or offer directly related to controlling or using NVDA, or whether a specific program is accessible with NVDA?” If the answer is not a direct and simple, “Yes,” please do not send that message to the NVDA group.  If you do, it will be promptly locked and a canned message regarding off-topic messages added.  Instead, join the NVDA Chat Subgroup and send it there, or to another venue.

The lack of subscribers to the NVDA Chat Subgroup is indicative of one or both of the following:

1.        There is a lack of member interest in discussing non-NVDA-related content with other members of the group, since only members of a main group may join a subgroup.  This is perfectly fine, since membership is optional by design.

2.      There is a belief that not asking the above-mentioned question, and having an honest “yes” as the answer, should not be a deterrent to posting whatever one wishes on the NVDA group.  This is not fine, and will not become fine, either.


We do not have the capability to move topics between the main group and the chat subgroup, or we would have been doing so, and there is no indication that this function will be forthcoming from Groups.io.

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Re: nvda gets stuck on something called landscape

Luke Davis
 

Marvin

What is a "hard restart"? To me, that's holding the power button for five seconds to force a shutdown, which is not a good thing to ever do if you can avoid it. Since there are probably ways to avoid it here, I wanted to find out if that is actually what you're doing.

As for what's happening: it's the tablet mode thing, as other answers have explained.
It isn't an NVDA problem, it is a Windows one.

Either you're on a laptop (such as One of those ridiculous HP Stream X360 models) that switch to tablet mode when you bend the screen back far enough, in which case the keyboard is disabled and tablet mode is activated, or something you're doing is turning on tablet mode manually.

In any case, a google search for: '"get out of tablet mode" windows 10', gives this as its sixth result:
https://thegreynomads.activeboard.com/t63010625/windows-10-another-glitch-called-tablet-mode/
and this as its second result:
https://appuals.com/fix-windows-10-stuck-in-tablet-mode/

One of those will almost certainly help you, and if not, there are other results in that search.

http://www.google.com/search?ie=ISO-8859-1&hl=en&source=hp&q=%22get+out+of+tablet+mode%22+windows+10&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1

Luke

On Thu, 27 Jun 2019, marvin kotler wrote:

Good afternoon listers; first, running latest version of nvda and windows 1903.  When something called landscape comes up, nvda gets stuck on the taskbar
and will go nowhere else.  I have to do a hard restart of the computer when this happens.  My question is what is landscape; can I get rid of this for
something else more friendly? Thanks in advance.


locked Re: new ribbon disabler available.

 

Hmmm interesting.

Now is that version better than old new explorer?

The fact old new has extra shell features for screens and themes and visual images and since its a shell extention it seems to be able to handle more than the ribbon.

On 27/06/2019 9:58 PM, P. Otter wrote:
hello all!
winaero was so kind to create a new version of ribbondisabler version 4!
after the last update of windows 10 there was an error message while activate the ribbondisabler version 3.1
so every one has to work with the ribon, if you like or not.
when you start the ribbondisabler version 3.1 now, there is a pop-up that a new version is availlable do you want to download yes or no.
press yes and you will go to the website where you can download the new version 4 of ribbondisabler.
succes!
paul otter