I don’t mean to complain, but when I install the driver and a voice it says that the demo expired. I really want to try this product. Could somebody try to get me in the right direction? Thanks.

I get a similar problem on a banking site. I use latest MS Edge and when I use T for table and then try to navigate the table using Cntrl+Alt plus cursor arrows, nvda says, not in a table cell. I then have to navigate along the rows rather than up and down the rows. It is annoying, but I can still get what I want.

Gerry



On 09/11/2020 10:42, Sean Randall wrote:

This works fine for me in Chrome and Firefox.
My only annoyance is that t for table puts me on the caption, so I cannot immediately use CTRL+alt+cursors to navigate by row or column.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Le Baudour
Sent: 09 November 2020 10:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] table navigation issues

Hi,

not sure it is what you're looking for, but anyway, using firefox, tables in microsoft docs can't be browsed using table navigation, e.g.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/system.net.http.httpclient?view=netcore-3.1
for constructors properties, members, events, etc.
It did work properly on at least one other browser - i think it was internet explorer.

-- Patrick
Le 09/11/2020 à 09:25, Sean Murphy a écrit :

All,

I am seeking for examples where NVDA does not correctly navigate web
tables. This is a project I am involved in at work. We are collecting
good and bad examples of tables. So if you have any web pages with
tables that NVDA does not work with. Please share.

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Janet,

            If you have not already entered those rules hold off on doing so for two reasons:

1.  I have just learned that dictionary processing does not terminate after the first successful match, but continues down the list, using the substituted text for subsequent processing each time a match is found, until the end of the list is reached.  So I need to consider the order again to make this successful.

2.  It's likely I can remove the trailing colon requirement for all but Roman numeral one, unless it works better to assume it's there, then that needn't be changed

The big problem here is really the Roman numeral one, and having some very clear way of differentiating it from the pronoun I, and that is not at all easy sans some other delimiter used with it to make that differentiation clear.

I'm not going to work on this further until I see a response from you, as it's clear that this is going to be an iterative process until we nail down precisely what will work based on the text you're generally processing, which looks to be medical in nature.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

Janet,

Below is the list of 10 regular expressions, followed by what you use for the replacement, that you need to enter in your speech dictionary in the order listed.  I emphasize again: in the order listed.

This is important because I believe (and am waiting for confirmation) that the speech dictionary (or any dictionary) has its entries processed in order, and on the first match the replacement is passed to the synthesizer and the processing for that "word/character cluster" stops.  If you had the entry for Roman numeral one first, it would snag Roman numerals 4, 3, and 2 incorrectly since all of them are composed of a collection of capital Is.

In addition, I am going to presume from your example that all of these Roman numeral, with possible optional letter, sequences must have a colon after the last character of the sequence with no space between the two.  If there is no colon then the match will not work, and that's by design, as I do not want the pronoun I to be captured as Roman numeral one.

If you want the word "Roman" or something else in front of the individual characters of the numeral before they're read out one by one then stick that in front of the first character of the replacement string.  I just went for the individual letters making up the numeral, along with the letter following it, if that letter is present.

The regular expressions all start with a backslash and end with a question mark.  The replacement strings all end with backslash one (the digit 1).  When working with the dictionary to add entries, the regular expression goes in the Pattern edit box, the replacement string in the Replacement box, and the Type radio button must be set to regular expression.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

Janet,

        Thanks.  I'll post what you need to use a bit later this evening.  I will only ask this one time again, are the letters after the numeral limited to a certain set?  If not, I'll look for lowercase A through lowercase Z, but if it should only be A through F (or something similar) let me know.  That's very easy to tweak.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

There are a couple of really weird goings on with NVDA and the Onelook results page, and I can't figure out "who's at fault."  I had offered this as a possible choice for online dictionary since it is a multi-dictionary search that presents things (visually, anyway) in a very straightforward manner.  This was on the JAWS list, and someone noted they couldn't search by headings (which is unsurprising, since that's not how the page presents results) but when I went digging further, things got stranger.  What follows is my post there afterward, which I'd like to get some eyes on here:

You are right that you can't navigate by headings, as headings are not used in the presentation of results.  The word searched on has links to each dictionary's information for it.  If I hit NVDA+F7 and have searched on, say, "deshabille," there is a stream of links reading deshabille, followed by a home link for the dictionary and an info link - lather rinse repeat for the number of dictionaries in which the word is located.

But, I cannot get single letter nav for links (k), unvisited link (u), or visited link (v) to work at all.  Yet, if I activate using the elements list, the links are noted as visited after I've done so.

I have to decide whether this is something I want to report to NVAccess or not, and will wait to do so until others have read what I wrote above and may be able to offer a logical explanation for this very odd (at least in my experience) behavior with NVDA traversal of the dictionary search results page. 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 

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I would think this isn't related to your project, but I see instances where things look like tables to sighted readers but are not, so a screen-reader can't read them in any sort of logical manner. How often this happens, I don't know and it may be to an extent the sites I happen to look at a good deal but it is nonetheless an accessibility issue to present something that looks like a table and isn't

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sean Murphy
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2020 2:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] table navigation issues

All,

I am seeking for examples where NVDA does not correctly navigate web tables. This is a project I am involved in at work. We are collecting good and bad examples of tables. So if you have any web pages with tables that NVDA does not work with. Please share.

 

Hi,

 

Can someone send me the latest driver for vocalizer expressive?

 

Thanks much,

 

Afik.