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Re: character count countdown with edit box

Sarah k Alawami
 

One work around for now would be to hit nvda plus s and type. If not, type it in note pad and then past, at least for now

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On 6 Nov 2020, at 12:53, Don H wrote:

I come accross some web pages where there is a edit box that has a number of characters limitation.  While typing in these edit boxes the character count is voiced.  For example it will say 32 characters 500 remaining.  Is there some setting in nvda to stop this character count announcement?

Thanks
character count countdown with edit box

Don H
 

I come accross some web pages where there is a edit box that has a number of characters limitation.  While typing in these edit boxes the character count is voiced.  For example it will say 32 characters 500 remaining.  Is there some setting in nvda to stop this character count announcement?

Thanks
NVDA not announcing graphics or links

David Thorne
 

Working on accessibility features on website and using NVDA to check the results of my efforts.

 

Can anyone explain why my firefox browser does not announce “graphic” or something like that when hovering over an image containing alt text that is also a link?  It does read out the alt text.  Also, there is no announcement of a “Link” when hovering over a text link – just reads the text so user would not know it is a link. 

 

Also, when hovering over either an image or text that is a link, the destination URL is read out in full.  Does that always occur?  Seems redundant if the alt text of the image link or the text of the text link already says that it is a link and where the link is going.

 

Thanks,

 

Dave Thorne
Re: Onelook.com - Interaction with NVDA unlike anything I've ever experienced - Is there a logical explanation

Brian Vogel
 

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 06:53 AM, Luke Davis wrote:
Had you tried restarting NVDA before restarting your system?
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I honestly can't remember if I did restart NVDA first or not.  Since my machine "was due for a restart" anyway, it didn't bother me to do one.

I agree, though, that exiting and restarting NVDA itself is what would be the standard operating procedure for the process of elimination.
 
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Re: Onelook.com - Interaction with NVDA unlike anything I've ever experienced - Is there a logical explanation

Luke Davis
 

On Thu, 5 Nov 2020, Brian Vogel wrote:

Gene,         I was using Brave, but have the same issue in Chrome.  I will check this again after restarting my system, just to make sure it's not
something that is mysteriously cured via that method
Had you tried restarting NVDA before restarting your system?

This sounds very like the weird problem wherein NVDA suddenly starts passing all keystrokes through to the application, and ignoring its own modifiers, overlays, etc. For example, insert+q would not quit NVDA in that case, you would either have to use the desktop shortcut, run dialog, or running application icon to restart NVDA.

Restarting NVDA in such a situation will solve it, restarting the machine wouldn't have been necessary if that's what was going on.

I thought there was an issue for this, but I can't find it.

Luke

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In-Process 6th November

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Hi everyone,

In-process is out, featuring our chat with Anatoliy Popko on how they are using NVDA Certification in Russia, NVDACon 2020, and another tip on using some of the new features in NVDA 2020.3  


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Re: Onelook.com - Interaction with NVDA unlike anything I've ever experienced - Is there a logical explanation

Brian Vogel
 

And, at least for the moment, the issue has disappeared after a restart.  I'll never know what was up, but I'll keep an eye out for the issue to recur, and I hope it won't.

These sorts of bizarre and inexplicable things do happen, and very often a power cycling will fix 'em.

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Re: Onelook.com - Interaction with NVDA unlike anything I've ever experienced - Is there a logical explanation

Brian Vogel
 

Gene,

         I was using Brave, but have the same issue in Chrome.  I will check this again after restarting my system, just to make sure it's not something that is mysteriously cured via that method.
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Re: Onelook.com - Interaction with NVDA unlike anything I've ever experienced - Is there a logical explanation

Gene
 

Just one more behavior that supports my contention that the links list shouldn't be used on unfamiliar pages. I'm not assuming you teach using the links list on unfamiliar pages but for those following the thread who do, this discussion helps show why it’s a bad idea.

this may not be the case with JAWS but I'll describe my experience with NVDA.

I can use the links list and I can move with quick navigation keys using the Brave browser. I don't know what browser you are using. But the links list doesn't give all information, evidently for the same reason some other ways of moving don't, as discussed below.

I tried the links list and, while I hear the information such as the word I'm looking for, I get no information about which dictionary the link is for. this is with NVDA. I look up a word, then I search for the word match. I am now right above the results. Tabbing doesn't present full information. Down arrowing is the only way I've found to see all the information, such as the word and the dictionary being used. That's how I would use this part of the site. Look up the word, search for match, then start down arrowing.

I just found out that using read current line on the link doesn't tell you what dictionary will be used. The only way I've found to have all the information read is by up and down arrowing to one of the links. I don't know what results you will get with JAWS or if the browser makes any difference.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2020 7:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Onelook.com - Interaction with NVDA unlike anything I've ever experienced - Is there a logical explanation

There are a couple of really weird goings on with NVDA and the Onelook results page, and I can't figure out "who's at fault." I had offered this as a possible choice for online dictionary since it is a multi-dictionary search that presents things (visually, anyway) in a very straightforward manner. This was on the JAWS list, and someone noted they couldn't search by headings (which is unsurprising, since that's not how the page presents results) but when I went digging further, things got stranger. What follows is my post there afterward, which I'd like to get some eyes on here:

You are right that you can't navigate by headings, as headings are not used in the presentation of results. The word searched on has links to each dictionary's information for it. If I hit NVDA+F7 and have searched on, say, "deshabille," there is a stream of links reading deshabille, followed by a home link for the dictionary and an info link - lather rinse repeat for the number of dictionaries in which the word is located.

But, I cannot get single letter nav for links (k), unvisited link (u), or visited link (v) to work at all. Yet, if I activate using the elements list, the links are noted as visited after I've done so.

I have to decide whether this is something I want to report to NVAccess or not, and will wait to do so until others have read what I wrote above and may be able to offer a logical explanation for this very odd (at least in my experience) behavior with NVDA traversal of the dictionary search results page.
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Re: Onelook.com - Interaction with NVDA unlike anything I've ever experienced - Is there a logical explanation

Sascha Cowley
 

I just tried in Firefox, Chrome and Edge, and could not reproduce. On the results page, k, u and v acted as expected.
Onelook.com - Interaction with NVDA unlike anything I've ever experienced - Is there a logical explanation

Brian Vogel
 

There are a couple of really weird goings on with NVDA and the Onelook results page, and I can't figure out "who's at fault."  I had offered this as a possible choice for online dictionary since it is a multi-dictionary search that presents things (visually, anyway) in a very straightforward manner.  This was on the JAWS list, and someone noted they couldn't search by headings (which is unsurprising, since that's not how the page presents results) but when I went digging further, things got stranger.  What follows is my post there afterward, which I'd like to get some eyes on here:

You are right that you can't navigate by headings, as headings are not used in the presentation of results.  The word searched on has links to each dictionary's information for it.  If I hit NVDA+F7 and have searched on, say, "deshabille," there is a stream of links reading deshabille, followed by a home link for the dictionary and an info link - lather rinse repeat for the number of dictionaries in which the word is located.

But, I cannot get single letter nav for links (k), unvisited link (u), or visited link (v) to work at all.  Yet, if I activate using the elements list, the links are noted as visited after I've done so.

I have to decide whether this is something I want to report to NVAccess or not, and will wait to do so until others have read what I wrote above and may be able to offer a logical explanation for this very odd (at least in my experience) behavior with NVDA traversal of the dictionary search results page. 
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Re: building plugins was: [nvda] Remote Support Add on

Brian Vogel
 

What add-on (which is what I presume you mean by plug-in)?  I have yet to see one not have a Releases page under GitHub where the fully "built" add-on is downloaded from.

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building plugins was: [nvda] Remote Support Add on

Robert Logue
 

How does one build a plugin from a repository?


I wanted to use a plugin for NVDA and my Brother printer but it did not have an installer.  I did not know I could have built it.


Thanks.


Bob



On 2020-10-02 9:04 a.m., Oleksandr Gryshchenko wrote:
Hello David,

Also you can build it from the source code in the official repository:
https://github.com/NVDARemote/NVDARemote/releases/tag/2.3

Or you can download it here - I just builded it:
https://hotinfo.in.ua/remote-2.3.nvda-addon

Good luck!

Re: Braille extender's auto scroll with orbit reader 20

Kara Goldfinch
 

Ok, I've figured out how to turn on auto scroll using the pc keyboard. The manual makes no mention of this when the Orbit Reader is connected, and as I said the commands in the manual are for Baum displays, not the Orbit Reader.

E.g. apparently dot 2 + dot 5 will turn on auto scroll, but that just jumps to heading  level 3.


On 05/11/2020 14:13, Devin Prater wrote:

It should work. If not, let the developer know, by creating a new issue at:


If you don't already, you'll need to make a Github account.
Devin Prater


On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:27 AM Kara Goldfinch <kara.louise18@...> wrote:

Hi everyone.

Is it possible to use the Braille Extender add-on's auto scroll feature with the Orbit Reader 20?

The manual isn't much help as it calls up information for Baum displays.

All the best,

Kara
Re: Braille extender's auto scroll with orbit reader 20

Devin Prater
 

It should work. If not, let the developer know, by creating a new issue at:


If you don't already, you'll need to make a Github account.
Devin Prater


On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:27 AM Kara Goldfinch <kara.louise18@...> wrote:

Hi everyone.

Is it possible to use the Braille Extender add-on's auto scroll feature with the Orbit Reader 20?

The manual isn't much help as it calls up information for Baum displays.

All the best,

Kara
Re: NVDA performance in remote or virtual environments

Christian Schoepplein
 

Hi Adrian,

the performance issues may also be related to the speed of your network connection. Do you connect to the remote system via a internal network or via internet connection? If you connect via internet, whats the maximum speed for uploads?

16 GB RAM is ofcourse better then only using a VM with only 8 GB of memory, but using Windows 10 native with 4 GB RAM and aditionaly a VM with also 4 GB of RAM should also be suficient. Does your machine have a SSD or a older harddisk which is not that fast?

Does the Windows in your VM react quickly and is only the remote access slow? If yes, the local hardware is not the problem.

Ciao,

Schoepp
Re: NVDA Verbosity for Grouping and sorting messages in Outlook - Can it be changed?

Sean Randall
 

Hello,

 

Ideally I suppose you could match this with a regular expression in a speech dictionary, but  Outlook seems to send this to the synthesizer in a couple of chunks (if I look in the speech viewer, the final expanded or collapsed statement comes across on a second line sometimes).

 

Still, a dictionary entry could  reduce:

Group By: Expanded: Date: Yesterday  grouping  expanded”

To:

“Date Yesterday expanded”

Assuming, of course, you wanted the date datum as part of the output. Personally I just want the day, because  it’s  obvious it’s grouped by date if I am collapsing a group of days

Sean.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 04 November 2020 18:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Verbosity for Grouping and sorting messages in Outlook - Can it be changed?

 

Josh,

         I'll let others get into the verbosity settings that might be changed, as I can't answer that.  I am posting only because I have retitled your topic for archival purposes and to make it clear the question is about NVDA verbosity related to using Outlook, not Outlook itself.

         By the way to the readership, if it turns out that there are Outlook settings that can be tweaked to decrease NVDA's verbosity in a circumstance like this, that still counts to me as addressing the interaction between NVDA and the program.  But I suspect this will be fixed, to the extent it can be, via NVDA settings rather than any Outlook settings, though I could be wrong about that.

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Braille extender's auto scroll with orbit reader 20

Kara Goldfinch
 

Hi everyone.

Is it possible to use the Braille Extender add-on's auto scroll feature with the Orbit Reader 20?

The manual isn't much help as it calls up information for Baum displays.

All the best,

Kara
Re: Cannot get past, "please register this," when launching NVDA!

Quentin Christensen
 

If anyone does encounter this issue, it would be great if you could confirm please that pressing NVDA+control+r three times quickly DOES resolve it?  It should, as it should revert to Windows OneCore voices on Windows 10 (or eSpeak-NG on earlier versions of Windows).  I haven't actually tried it myself though to test the theory.

Quentin.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 1:47 PM Robert Logue <bobcat11@...> wrote:
I had this same problem.  It was the demo of Code Factory voices for
NVDA add on. Plus, the trial of Code Factory SAPI voices.  I foolishly
tried both then was away from my desktop PC for more than a month.


I don't like that kind of behavior in trial software.


I was not even able to use Narrator because that please register message
was spoken every time I pressed any key.


Asked Microsoft disability answer desk for help through Be My Eyes on my
iPhone to resolve this.


Turned out that Narrator was using the demo voice which has also timed out.


I don't know if I'd been able to fix my self without the help from MS


Bob


On 2020-10-23 10:32 a.m., Gene wrote:
> The please register this must refer to a synthessizer that your NVDA
> is using.  If you get that message and the command NVDA key control r
> pressed three times rapidly, You may hold control and nvda key and
> type r quickly three times, doesn't restore NVDA to its defaults so
> the default synthesizer can run, then you may have to delete something
> else, such as your synthesizer or your NVDA settings so it will start
> using defaults.
>
> Gene
> -----Original Message----- From: Mike
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 8:17 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Cannot get past, "please register this," when
> launching NVDA!
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> Keep getting please register this when I launch NVDA. Cannot get to
> menus or anything else. I had old version of NVDA I removed. Then
> installed the latest NVDA. Did not help. Using windows 10, Also JAWS.
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> Any help appreciated.
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> Mike
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New Video: NVDA in Russia

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

I wanted to share a video we've just uploaded:

Prominent Russian #accessibility expert, Anatoliy Popko shares his experiences advocating for #A11y & the projects he is involved in, including putting IT trainers across Russia through NVDA Certification so they can teach blind users IT skills with NVDA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o83mo-sSQNQ

At 17 minutes, it's longer than some of our other videos, but a fascinating story, and highlights some great work being done in Russia.

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