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Re: NVDA Not Reading Auto-Complete Results in Outlook

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

That’s control+K not Alt+K.

 

There is also a distinguishing difference that you should be aware of.

 

The Control+K method does not grab the information from your history, it only checks what’s actually in your address book.  So if the name you want is not actually in your contacts, then Control+K won’t work for you.

 

History and contacts are different.  History is the most recent Emails you have written or replied to, regardless as to whether they are in your contacts or not.  Contacts is restricted to what you have physically added to your contacts.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: 20 February 2019 00:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Not Reading Auto-Complete Results in Outlook

 

This is the first time I’ve heard of someone bringing this up with NVDA. It was a bug that popped up with Jaws 2019 during the betas and now since the most recent January update. Vispero for its part says that they’re aware of this bug and for some at least, it’s since been resolved. Unfortunately for me though, I’m one of the folks who is still dealing with it. I’m running Outlook 2016 on an Office license that I purchased. Not the 365 product.

Vispero did provide me with a config file fix and while it did address the autocomplete announcement issue, the subject field in the calendar appointments were not being spoken by Jaws. Nor were my various dictionary manager entries in Outlook. This for me was a deal breaker so I uninstalled that fix.

In any event, one workaround is to type a few letters of the email address you want (the email address has to be in your address book) and then press alt+K. A screen will pop up with the various email addresses contained in your address book that you can arrow through to select the correct one. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abbie Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 3:42 PM
To: 'NVDA' <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Not Reading Auto-Complete Results in Outlook

 

I recently started using Outlook after signing up for an Office 365 trial. When composing a new message, after I type the first few letters of the recipient’s name, NVDA doesn’t read the name and address or any of the results in the list the way Thunderbird does. I have enough vision to see that a list has indeed popped up after I’ve typed a few characters, but when I arrow up or down, it only says, “blank.” Pressing NVDA plus Up Arrow to read the current line doesn’t do anything, either.

 

A friend, who uses NVDA with an older version of Outlook, says she can arrow up and down through the list of suggestions and press Enter on the one she wants. All I can do to ensure I’m sending the message to the correct recipient is to type that person’s full name and press Enter, and usually, the correct name and address is displayed and read.

 

Since Office 365 features the latest versions of their apps, I’m assuming this is a compatibility issue between NVDA and the latest version of Outlook. Is there an add-on for this? If not, I hope it can be addressed in a future update.

 

 

 

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Re: Golden Cursor question

Steve Nutt
 

Of course they are interpreting.  It reads the screen, but UIA changes the perceived layout of the screen.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 19 February 2019 18:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

What you are complaining about isn't screen interpreting.  it is a decision about what information is included and how you can move through it.  You may disagree with such decisions, but they aren't screen interpreting. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:30 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

OK, incorrect in so much that you can move the mouse, but only by routing it.

 

Window-Eyes could not only move by clip, but by graphic as well, this is really powerful.

 

If you told me to click on the third graphic from the top left on the screen, only Window-Eyes would allow me to do this.

 

Whatever happened to screen reading, as opposed to screen interpreting?  Don’t even get me started.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 19 February 2019 16:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

I know that Window-eyes and JAWS have ways of moving the mouse such as by pixels and in the case of Window-eyes, in some other way that I don't recall now, sort of by structure.  I remembered the term while reviewing my message.  it is by clip, as Window-eyes called it.  But both also allow for moving the mouse around the screen as you do in NVDA.  The difference is that in NVDA, you move the review position, then route the mouse to where you stop the review navigator. 

 

In JAWS, you could move the mouse to the word click.  In NVDA, you would move the review navigator to the word click, then route the mouse.  the mouse ends up in the same place.  I'm simply saying that your statement that the mouse can't be moved from the keyboard in NVDA is factually, not a matter of opinion, not correct.  I am not disagreeing that JAWS and
Window-eyes allow for different, more precise movements.  I'm also not arguing that the Golden Cursor add-on is necessary in NVDA to move the mouse in finer and more varied ways.  But your statement is factually incorrect. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 9:56 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi Jean,

 

But again, although you answered my question, it just proves to me that I couldn’t find what I wanted, because it is not there, that is moving the mouse using the keyboard.  This is there, if you download Golden Cursor, but I’ve had this in Window-Eyes for years, so I couldn’t imagine managing without it now.  It even exists in JAWS.  Even mouse search doesn’t currently exist in NVDA, so to me, this isn’t screen reading at its best at the moment.  That’s only to me, remember, just one guy who is an advanced screen reader user, and in that respect, as I’ve always said, NVDA, isn’t there yet.  I wish it would be.

 

Another example of this problem is the Izotope plug in installer.  NVDA doesn’t see the screen at all, nothing is read, so you have to OCR it.  When I install with JAWS, it sees the screen, and I can move the mouse to the Next button, but I can’t click it by tabbing nor object naving to it, because NVDA simply doesn’t see the screen, unless I OCR it.  JAWS sees it out of the box.  This is why I still maintain that video hooking is a necessary evil.

 

I know now that many programs use UIA now, so it’s less important, but the ability to manipulate the mouse via the keyboard, is still much needed when using custom apps.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 February 2019 17:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

In the following response, I shall give desktop layout commands.  I don't use the laptop layout and don't know those commands for what we are discussing.

 

There aren't specifically mouse movement keys such as in JAWS.  Read the review section of the manual or the relevant parts.  5.5 is a relevant section.  I'm not sure if there are any others.  You will see such commands as num[pad 9, move to next line, numpad 8, read current line, numpad 7 move to and read previous line.  These are review keys and don't affect the application, they review the screen.  I'm talking about what they do in screen review mode.  They have similar functions when in object navigation but they apply to the object that has focus.

 

To move the mouse to the review position, use the command numpad insert numpad slash.  To left click the mouse, use numpad slash. To right click, use numpad Times, which I believe is also the asterisk.  It's immediately to the right of numpad slash.  

 

If you can't find how to do something in NVDA, it is not good methodology or procedure to assume that it can't be done.  Asking here may provide information about how to do it or of an add-on that does.

 

Gene  

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 4:47 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hello Jean,

 

So what are the mouse movement keys via the keyboard then?  I’m sorry I can’t find them.

 

Thanks.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 February 2019 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

You can move the mouse with the keyboard now.  You can't move it as precisely.  I don't have an opinion about whether the Golden Cursor features should be incorporated into the source code.  But your implication that the mouse can't be moved without the Golden Cursor is not correct.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:27 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Jean,

 

I think the whole Golden Cursor thing should be in NVDA to be honest.  The ability to move the mouse using the keyboard has been in screen readers, since the invention of Windows.

 

Supernova has it, System Access has it, JAWS has it, Window-Eyes was best at it, and so on.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

The search feature should, I think, be in NVDA, not in the Golden Cursor. This is important funcionality and is too important to depend on a user downloading an add-on to have it available.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:58 PM

Subject: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

In my efforts to find out if Golden Cursor is as good as the mouse with JAWS, I’d say not quite.  Let me explain.

 

I just downloaded it, and there seems to be no way to search for a string of text within GC and have the mouse land on that text, so you can just click it, without routing, saving positions, etc.

 

Could this possibly be added?  A Mouse Search in NVDA?  I use Search in JAWS cursor all the time, and it moves the mouse to where I want it.

 

Or am I really stupid and missing it?

 

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Re: NVDA Not Reading Auto-Complete Results in Outlook

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Hi, Abbie,

 

I am using Outlook 2016 in Windows 10 with the latest release of NVDA.

 

When I begin typing a recipients name that is already in my Address Book, Outlook offers a completed entry as I type and NVDA does speak this every time it changes.

 

I wonder if there is a setting in Outlook Options that is blocking you from getting this behaviour?

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abbie Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 11:42 PM
To: 'NVDA' <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Not Reading Auto-Complete Results in Outlook

 

I recently started using Outlook after signing up for an Office 365 trial. When composing a new message, after I type the first few letters of the recipient’s name, NVDA doesn’t read the name and address or any of the results in the list the way Thunderbird does. I have enough vision to see that a list has indeed popped up after I’ve typed a few characters, but when I arrow up or down, it only says, “blank.” Pressing NVDA plus Up Arrow to read the current line doesn’t do anything, either.

 

A friend, who uses NVDA with an older version of Outlook, says she can arrow up and down through the list of suggestions and press Enter on the one she wants. All I can do to ensure I’m sending the message to the correct recipient is to type that person’s full name and press Enter, and usually, the correct name and address is displayed and read.

 

Since Office 365 features the latest versions of their apps, I’m assuming this is a compatibility issue between NVDA and the latest version of Outlook. Is there an add-on for this? If not, I hope it can be addressed in a future update.

 

 

 

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Re: Ask about using iTunes with NVDA

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I'd be interested in this as well. I need to use drive R: as its my back up detachable drive. Also Itunes seems to be being very thick about allowing me to log in. IE Iit asks for the username and password, then the access code it sends to the phone you duly type this in and it says incorrect and starts again.
It obviously knows me to send the code to the phone.
Its as if I'm typing the items in the wrong places, but nvda tells me its correct as I do it so I'm a little foxed.
I always had issues with Itunes when I looked at it to be a kind of Swiss army knife for audio ripping and storing.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 6:27 AM
Subject: [nvda] Ask about using iTunes with NVDA


Hello listers,
I have to back up my iPhone to my computer using iTunes and NVDA but I've never done it before. So, I've the following questions.
1. Is it totally accessible to use iTunes with NVDA to back up iPhone without sighted assistant?
2. Is it possible to change back up storage from C: to D: or any external drive? I'm afraid that my C: doesn't have enough space.
3. If it's possible, anyone please explain me step by step of how to do it or point me to the link containing tutourial someone already demonstrate it before.

Thank you.


Re: having problems with re capture demo page

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I cannot help but wonder if they have built a text based bot check why don't they abandon the crappy old idea and just use the new one?

If they are looking at mouse movements then its going to surely fail on touch screen devices as well, I'd have thought.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "hurrikennyandopo ..." <hurrikennyandopo@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 9:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] having problems with re capture demo page


Hi guys

I was asked on another list if people are having problems with re capture in this case he sent me a demo page and nvda reports unavailable in all editable sections it reads out the section. also down where you check the check box to say you are not a bot or what ever it is as soon as you check it it takes you to another page where it wants you to try and pass either a text bassed one or a audio one but then gives you a message saying

Part of the message below. He gets this on other websites with capture .

What happens is that I get a message that says we can't process your query because a computer on your network might be sending automated queries. I don't believe anything here is doing that. I've read that one of the ways reCAPTCHA uses to try to tell that we're not a robot is to look at your mouse movements. But of course I'm not using a mouse so it might look like I'm a robot. Maybe some people might agree but let's not go there right now.

Is it on there side and they have broken it? I also tried some other browsers same sort of results with the latest stable version of nvda.

There is a link in the email to the demo page.

https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api2/demo



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Re: having problems with re capture demo page

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That seems a bit odd, since many family computers will have multiple accounts, I'd have thought.

Brian

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From: "Kenny" <kwashingtonbox@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] having problems with re capture demo page


The browser you're using has multiple Google accounts cookied. You have
to visit the Google.com page and logout/remove any extra Google
accounts. Then make sure only your main Google account is cookied on
that browser.


On 2/19/2019 4:48 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi guys

I was asked on another list if people are having problems with re
capture in this case he sent me a demo page and nvda reports
unavailable in all editable sections it reads out the section. also
down where you check the check box to say you are not a bot or what
ever it is as soon as you check it it takes you to another page where
it wants you to try and pass either a text bassed one or a audio one
but then gives you a message saying

Part of the message below. He gets this on other websites with capture .

What happens is that I get a message that says we can't process your
query because a computer on your network might be sending automated
queries. I don't believe anything here is doing that. I've read that
one of the ways reCAPTCHA uses to try to tell that we're not a robot
is to look at your mouse movements. But of course I'm not using a
mouse so it might look like I'm a robot. Maybe some people might agree
but let's not go there right now.

Is it on there side and they have broken it? I also tried some other
browsers same sort of results with the latest stable version of nvda.

There is a link in the email to the demo page.

https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api2/demo



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to you please visit
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installed on the APNK network please visit the following
linkhttp://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out
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To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City
Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to
the following links. Software available
https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884 How
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Re: ccleaner ini minor update

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Have they updated ccleaner to clean waterfox yet?
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 5:12 PM
Subject: [nvda] ccleaner ini minor update


Hi.

This ini file is updated with the amazon kindle rulesets and windows defender ruleset additions.

Thats about all to see in this latest ccleaner release.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kbbbqs8blbyuev9/ccleaner.ini?dl=1



Ask about using iTunes with NVDA

prem.translator@...
 

Hello listers, 
I have to back up my iPhone to my computer using iTunes and NVDA but I've never done it before. So, I've the following questions. 
1. Is it totally accessible to use iTunes with NVDA to back up iPhone without sighted assistant? 
2. Is it possible to change back up storage from C: to D: or any external drive? I'm afraid that my C: doesn't have enough space. 
3. If it's possible, anyone please explain me step by step of how to do it or point me to the link containing tutourial someone already demonstrate it before. 
 
Thank you. 


Re: NVDA Not Reading Auto-Complete Results in Outlook

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

This is fixed in the latest alpha version of NVDA, so it will be fixed with the release of NVDA 2019.1.

 

Cheers,

   Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abbie Taylor
Sent: Mittwoch, 20. Februar 2019 00:42
To: 'NVDA' <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Not Reading Auto-Complete Results in Outlook

 

I recently started using Outlook after signing up for an Office 365 trial. When composing a new message, after I type the first few letters of the recipient’s name, NVDA doesn’t read the name and address or any of the results in the list the way Thunderbird does. I have enough vision to see that a list has indeed popped up after I’ve typed a few characters, but when I arrow up or down, it only says, “blank.” Pressing NVDA plus Up Arrow to read the current line doesn’t do anything, either.

 

A friend, who uses NVDA with an older version of Outlook, says she can arrow up and down through the list of suggestions and press Enter on the one she wants. All I can do to ensure I’m sending the message to the correct recipient is to type that person’s full name and press Enter, and usually, the correct name and address is displayed and read.

 

Since Office 365 features the latest versions of their apps, I’m assuming this is a compatibility issue between NVDA and the latest version of Outlook. Is there an add-on for this? If not, I hope it can be addressed in a future update.

 

 

 

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Re: Getting Sound in Windows Safe Mode with Networking.

 

Yes, they'll work fine.

I presume you used the "Extract Here" option of 7-Zip, which will give you only the files, not creating a folder that corresponds to the Zip file name.


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Re: Getting Sound in Windows Safe Mode with Networking.

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Brian,


When I unzipped this file using 7 Zip, the 4 items were extracted all over the desktop and not in a folder called SoundInSafeMode.  I created a folder on my hard drive called SoundInSafeMode and placed the 4 items in that folder.  Would this batch file still work successfully?


On 2/19/2019 6:03 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I am creating a new topic since updating the batch script used to achieve this end.  The new one will work under Windows 7, 8, 8.1, and 10.  It also does not require that the folder be unzipped only to your Desktop, but that's still what I'm suggesting.  Everything is disposable after you've run the batch script.

The ZIP file is on my Google Drive, and can be downloaded by activating: SoundInSafeMode.zip

The first two steps in the installation instructions are:

You MUST be logged in using a Windows 7, 8.1, or 10 account with admin privileges in order for this to work.
 
    to your Desktop.
 
2. Unzip the SoundInSafeMode.ZIP file on your Desktop.  Simply select the ZIP file, bring up the context menu,
and choose Extract All.  You should end up with a folder named SoundInSafeMode on your Desktop. 

The remaining instructions are in the file InstallationInstructions.txt which will be one of 4 files that get unzipped into the SoundInSafeMode folder on your Desktop.
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Re: Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

Hi to all
May be you misunderstand due to my describing. I mean we can skip the graphic while navigating the webpage because at the moment I read I don't care about. I also want to tell that the latest version of NVDA doesn't has option for skipping graphics on the web so I think that would be grate if we have this option in future versions of NVDA, like someone said in this topic. I'll look at NVDA Issue to make sure this has been created. If not, I'll create a ticket for this.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

There is one use of "graphic"where the reader wouldn't know a word had been skipped.  In a sentence like, "this is a graphic illustration of negligence," for example, if the word graphic weren't heard, the sentence would make sense but it might be gramatically wrong.  The person using the dictionary work around would have to decide if that matters to him/her.  But if the person is in an environment where the word "graphic" is heard often while on a web page, for example, or working with a not properly accessible program, eliminating the word may be important.  What if a not properly accessible e-mail program causes NVDA to read "graphic" every time you move to another message in the list?  I've worked with a program now and then where I hear a lot of meaningless graphic announcements as I move with screen review.  But in the case of an unfamiliar program, before you know it, you should cause graphic to be spoken if you are exploring the program with screen reviewor object navigation.  Sometimes, you have to click on graphics.  But for many users, the dictionary option is a good one.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

How many times, in general reading, or any reading that doesn't deal with graphics per se have you come across the word in a month?  If it is the only word you cause not to be spoken in the dictionary and you read a sentence where something is missing, if the context is correct, you know it’s the word "graphic" and not an error in the text. 
 
If someone wants to not hear the word "graphic" and the screen-reader doesn't have a do not announce graphic setting, this is a good way to do it.  it isn't perfect, but it’s a good work around.  if you are opposing it because it isn't perfect, then you are letting the perfect block the use of the good.  I seldom come across the word graphic in general reading.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

But the word graphic is quite common.  I give up.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 February 2019 08:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

That is the slippery slope logical fallacy.  If you do something that works well in moderation or sparingly, you will do it more until it is destructive rather than constructive.  That logical fallacy implies that people have no sense of logic or proportion.  If you let someone speed to a hospital because their wife is in labor, before you know it, everyone will speed for any reason and the law won't be enforced. 

 

I didn't say that using the dictionary is as good as being able to turn the announcement off.  It will work in a case where a word isn't used often and where it can usually be determined or assumed that you haven't heard it because it is that word.  I wasn't talking about using the dictionary for word after word. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:26 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

I still don’t like it, however much you try to justify dictionary hacks.  Eventually you exclude loads of words, then it becomes more work.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

But if, for some reason, you hear a lot of graphics announced and you can't turn off graphic announcements in the settings, you may save yourself a good deal of annoyance.  and it isn't much work in general.  Think about when the last two or three times were that you heard the word graphic other than in this thread or when your screen-reader announced an actual graphic. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:54 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

That’s more hard work though, as well as concentrating on the text itself for mistakes, I’d say.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 19:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

By context a lot of the time.  if not, they will know a word is missing because what is being said won't make sense.  At that point, you can go back and read the word by letter.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:12 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

But how would they know the word was missing, if the synth didn’t utter anything?

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 19:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

Yes, it would be skipped.  Most people wouldn't come across the word often in documents and they have to remember that they won't hear it.  They can read letter by letter at the missing word location to verify that it is that word if they wish.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 12:53 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

Hi Jean,

 

What happens then if you come across the word graphic in a document?  Does it just get missed out?  That would make it awkward for proofing.  I don’t like using dictionaries as a cludge if I’m honest.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 16 February 2019 13:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

If this setting isn't available in preferences, and I am not aware of a do not announce graphics setting, you may be able to stop graphic from being announced using the speech dictionary.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:46 AM

Subject: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

 

To all members
Does NVDA has feature to ignore graphic while navigating web page, and if it has, now to enable it?
A friend asked me this, and he shared him thought that sometimes he doesn't want to see graphics in article he reading, and he wonder if we could add this to NVDA if it doesn't exist. I can also create a tiket for this if noone did before.
Any help would be appreciated.
Cuong

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Re: NVDA Not Reading Auto-Complete Results in Outlook

Cristóbal
 

This is the first time I’ve heard of someone bringing this up with NVDA. It was a bug that popped up with Jaws 2019 during the betas and now since the most recent January update. Vispero for its part says that they’re aware of this bug and for some at least, it’s since been resolved. Unfortunately for me though, I’m one of the folks who is still dealing with it. I’m running Outlook 2016 on an Office license that I purchased. Not the 365 product.

Vispero did provide me with a config file fix and while it did address the autocomplete announcement issue, the subject field in the calendar appointments were not being spoken by Jaws. Nor were my various dictionary manager entries in Outlook. This for me was a deal breaker so I uninstalled that fix.

In any event, one workaround is to type a few letters of the email address you want (the email address has to be in your address book) and then press alt+K. A screen will pop up with the various email addresses contained in your address book that you can arrow through to select the correct one. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abbie Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 3:42 PM
To: 'NVDA' <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Not Reading Auto-Complete Results in Outlook

 

I recently started using Outlook after signing up for an Office 365 trial. When composing a new message, after I type the first few letters of the recipient’s name, NVDA doesn’t read the name and address or any of the results in the list the way Thunderbird does. I have enough vision to see that a list has indeed popped up after I’ve typed a few characters, but when I arrow up or down, it only says, “blank.” Pressing NVDA plus Up Arrow to read the current line doesn’t do anything, either.

 

A friend, who uses NVDA with an older version of Outlook, says she can arrow up and down through the list of suggestions and press Enter on the one she wants. All I can do to ensure I’m sending the message to the correct recipient is to type that person’s full name and press Enter, and usually, the correct name and address is displayed and read.

 

Since Office 365 features the latest versions of their apps, I’m assuming this is a compatibility issue between NVDA and the latest version of Outlook. Is there an add-on for this? If not, I hope it can be addressed in a future update.

 

 

 

Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author https://abbiescorner.wordpress.com

http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com

abbietaylor945@...

 

 

 


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NVDA Not Reading Auto-Complete Results in Outlook

Abbie Taylor <abbietaylor945@...>
 

I recently started using Outlook after signing up for an Office 365 trial. When composing a new message, after I type the first few letters of the recipient’s name, NVDA doesn’t read the name and address or any of the results in the list the way Thunderbird does. I have enough vision to see that a list has indeed popped up after I’ve typed a few characters, but when I arrow up or down, it only says, “blank.” Pressing NVDA plus Up Arrow to read the current line doesn’t do anything, either.

 

A friend, who uses NVDA with an older version of Outlook, says she can arrow up and down through the list of suggestions and press Enter on the one she wants. All I can do to ensure I’m sending the message to the correct recipient is to type that person’s full name and press Enter, and usually, the correct name and address is displayed and read.

 

Since Office 365 features the latest versions of their apps, I’m assuming this is a compatibility issue between NVDA and the latest version of Outlook. Is there an add-on for this? If not, I hope it can be addressed in a future update.

 

 

 

Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author https://abbiescorner.wordpress.com

http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com

abbietaylor945@...

 

 

 


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Getting Sound in Windows Safe Mode with Networking.

 

I am creating a new topic since updating the batch script used to achieve this end.  The new one will work under Windows 7, 8, 8.1, and 10.  It also does not require that the folder be unzipped only to your Desktop, but that's still what I'm suggesting.  Everything is disposable after you've run the batch script.

The ZIP file is on my Google Drive, and can be downloaded by activating: SoundInSafeMode.zip

The first two steps in the installation instructions are:

You MUST be logged in using a Windows 7, 8.1, or 10 account with admin privileges in order for this to work.
 
    to your Desktop.
 
2. Unzip the SoundInSafeMode.ZIP file on your Desktop.  Simply select the ZIP file, bring up the context menu,
and choose Extract All.  You should end up with a folder named SoundInSafeMode on your Desktop. 

The remaining instructions are in the file InstallationInstructions.txt which will be one of 4 files that get unzipped into the SoundInSafeMode folder on your Desktop.
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status of clickable elements on a website

Giles Turnbull
 

Hi all,

I've signed up on the freedating.co.uk website and on its advanced search page it has options for various filters, such as employment status and disabled / not disabled. Once the options have been chosen it is not a search button but a ‘save and search’ link.

I'm assuming that when I close and rturn to the site at a later time the previous search options are stored somewhere with my profile or in cookie settings, but is there any way that NVDA can tell me which clickable options have been clicked, in case I want to un-click any of the options?

Does anybody know if clicable options work like checkboxes where selecting them checks the box and selecting them again unchecks the box, or are they like radio buttons where once you've selected them selecting it again makes no change and the only way to unselect it is by selecting one of the other radio buttons in that group.

Grateful for any thoughts :)

Giles


Re: having problems with re capture demo page

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi Kenny


there is only the one account. But it also seems there are others in the same boat not only nvda users and it seems to be happening on other websites that have it to.


Gene nz


On 20/02/2019 10:52 AM, Kenny wrote:

The browser you're using has multiple Google accounts cookied. You have to visit the Google.com page and logout/remove any extra Google accounts. Then make sure only your main Google account is cookied on that browser.


On 2/19/2019 4:48 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi guys

I was asked on another list if people are having problems with re capture in this case he sent me a demo page and nvda reports unavailable in all editable sections it reads out the section. also down where you check the check box to say you are not a bot or what ever it is as soon as you check it it takes you to another page where it wants you to try and pass either a text bassed one or a audio one but then gives you a message saying

Part of the message below. He gets this on other websites with capture . 

What happens is that I get a message that says we can't process your query because a computer on your network might be sending automated queries. I don't believe anything here is doing that. I've read that one of the ways reCAPTCHA uses to try to tell that we're not a robot is to look at your mouse movements. But of course I'm not using a mouse so it might look like I'm a robot. Maybe some people might agree but let's not go there right now.

Is it on there side and they have broken it? I also tried some other browsers same sort of results with the latest stable version of nvda.

There is a link in the email to the demo page.

https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api2/demo



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Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa).
To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

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Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa).
To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: having problems with re capture demo page

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

The browser you're using has multiple Google accounts cookied. You have to visit the Google.com page and logout/remove any extra Google accounts. Then make sure only your main Google account is cookied on that browser.


On 2/19/2019 4:48 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi guys

I was asked on another list if people are having problems with re capture in this case he sent me a demo page and nvda reports unavailable in all editable sections it reads out the section. also down where you check the check box to say you are not a bot or what ever it is as soon as you check it it takes you to another page where it wants you to try and pass either a text bassed one or a audio one but then gives you a message saying

Part of the message below. He gets this on other websites with capture . 

What happens is that I get a message that says we can't process your query because a computer on your network might be sending automated queries. I don't believe anything here is doing that. I've read that one of the ways reCAPTCHA uses to try to tell that we're not a robot is to look at your mouse movements. But of course I'm not using a mouse so it might look like I'm a robot. Maybe some people might agree but let's not go there right now.

Is it on there side and they have broken it? I also tried some other browsers same sort of results with the latest stable version of nvda.

There is a link in the email to the demo page.

https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api2/demo



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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa).
To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


having problems with re capture demo page

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi guys

I was asked on another list if people are having problems with re capture in this case he sent me a demo page and nvda reports unavailable in all editable sections it reads out the section. also down where you check the check box to say you are not a bot or what ever it is as soon as you check it it takes you to another page where it wants you to try and pass either a text bassed one or a audio one but then gives you a message saying

Part of the message below. He gets this on other websites with capture . 

What happens is that I get a message that says we can't process your query because a computer on your network might be sending automated queries. I don't believe anything here is doing that. I've read that one of the ways reCAPTCHA uses to try to tell that we're not a robot is to look at your mouse movements. But of course I'm not using a mouse so it might look like I'm a robot. Maybe some people might agree but let's not go there right now.

Is it on there side and they have broken it? I also tried some other browsers same sort of results with the latest stable version of nvda.

There is a link in the email to the demo page.

https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api2/demo



--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa).
To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Reading printed landscape sheet

Quentin Christensen
 

I've got a Canon scanner and the software is a bit hit and miss.  What really annoys me though, is that it has half a dozen buttons on the front, all of which scan to various types of inaccessible PDF.  Only one of the buttons can be customised, but not completely, and the best we've been able to do with it is set it so that you press the button and it scans to notepad.  But apparently, it does wondrous things with photo slides, negatives and film, according to the sales literature (and PDF files, obviously)...



On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 3:58 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Farhan,

          Check the Canon support pages for your device.  I have several clients using Canon multi-functions with NVDA, one of whom uses that method exclusively for her scanning needs.   The software interface is accessible.  

           There is probably an updated version of the full package of software for your device unless it is quite old.

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