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Re: Terminal improvements are coming to NVDA 2019.3!

Christian Schoepplein
 

Hi Bill,

because I am working as a Linux admin and Kubernetes / Docker admin I have to use the terminal a lot. Most of the time I am working in the textbased Linux terminal.

Currently I have a Linux VM running on my Windows box, so I can use the screen reader in this Linux VM to access the Linux servers I have to work on. I use this setup with the Linux VM and the Linux screen reader, because I miss some features I really need for my work when accessing the Linux boxes directly via ssh from the Windows terminal. For example it is much easier and faster to copy and paste text from one console to another on a Linux system then between two or more Windows terminals :-(.

However, this setup with the extra Linux VM causes permanent discussions with the people that are responsible for the IT security in my company. They do not like this VM, because it is unmanaged and out of theire scope :-). For that reason better terminal support in Windows would be really great!

I've installed the latest alpha snapshot of NVDA and started a terminal on my Windows 10 box.

The first thing I've noticed is, that some output in the terminal is underlined on my braille display with the alpha snapshot. So simply the output of a directory listing (dir) is underlined and this makes reading such output very difficult :-(. The same occures when I am on a remote system with ssh. With the current stable version of NVDA this underlining does not occure.

Another strange behaviour with the alpha snapshot is a bit difficult to explain :-(. When I am on a remote system in a text file opened with the vi editor the character wich is under the cursor is not displayed. So if I am on the first character in the line everything but not the first character of the line is shown. If I move one character to the right to the second position in the line the first character is shown and all character from the third position,but not the second character. This also does not ocure with the current stable release of NVDA.

I don't know if the two problems are related to your changes to the terminal support, the braille output or what ever in the alpha snapshot, but both things are not happening with the current stable release. Maybe you know this issues or you have some ideas how to solve them. If it makes things easier, I also can open two bug reports...

Thanks for all your work and All the best from Munich,
Chris


Re: Regarding captcha solver

cecropia64
 

that i know but what i am saying is how many people are going to??? not worth the effort.?? would be better off if the folks who had ressurrected it once would do it again.?? but i guess that won't ever happen.?? too bad too because it was a good program.

On 8/10/2019 9:24 AM, Gene wrote:
It does work if you use an old enough version of Firefox.?? You can use a portable old version for only sites you want to use with Webvism and use your current Firefox version for general browsing.?? You can use Firefox 52x ESR portable.?? You may be able to use older versions than that as well.??
??
Aside from that, whether you can use Firefox now has no relevance to what I was saying.?? I'm saying that the way to make the new add-on available, I think, would be much bettter if a system like Webvisum uses is followed.?? That system would have the advantages I discussed whether you could use Webvisum now or not.
??
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: cecropia64
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2019 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Regarding captcha solver

problem is?? that web visum no longer works anyway.?? stopped working a long time ago and it hasn't been revived for quite some time.?? so that particular item is out of the conversation now.

On 8/10/2019 5:56 AM, Gene wrote:
As I recall, Webvisum allows four captchas to be solved free per day.?? Some arrangement like that would seem to be the best since it allows light users to do what they need to do and would keep heavy users, such as spam bots from using it.?? Four times a day would be worthless to a spammer.
??
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2019 3:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Regarding captcha solver

Hi,


It does seem like a lot to me, but then I don't solve more than 4 or 5
capcha yearly (at least I didn't last year).?? I know this makes things
more complicated but a per-solve fee would make more sense: bots would
definitely never pay even $1 for a capcha (this would completely prevent
them from abusing the system, heck,

$.01 a year would).


But, yeah, just a thought!


Vincent

On 8/10/2019 2:09 AM, Hope Williamson wrote:
> Hi, just curious, but wouldn't it be better to charge yearly? For
> instance $30-$50 per year?
>
>
>



Re: Regarding captcha solver

Gene
 

It does work if you use an old enough version of Firefox.  You can use a portable old version for only sites you want to use with Webvism and use your current Firefox version for general browsing.  You can use Firefox 52x ESR portable.  You may be able to use older versions than that as well. 
 
Aside from that, whether you can use Firefox now has no relevance to what I was saying.  I'm saying that the way to make the new add-on available, I think, would be much bettter if a system like Webvisum uses is followed.  That system would have the advantages I discussed whether you could use Webvisum now or not.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: cecropia64
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2019 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Regarding captcha solver

problem is?? that web visum no longer works anyway.?? stopped working a long time ago and it hasn't been revived for quite some time.?? so that particular item is out of the conversation now.

On 8/10/2019 5:56 AM, Gene wrote:
As I recall, Webvisum allows four captchas to be solved free per day.?? Some arrangement like that would seem to be the best since it allows light users to do what they need to do and would keep heavy users, such as spam bots from using it.?? Four times a day would be worthless to a spammer.
??
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2019 3:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Regarding captcha solver

Hi,


It does seem like a lot to me, but then I don't solve more than 4 or 5
capcha yearly (at least I didn't last year).?? I know this makes things
more complicated but a per-solve fee would make more sense: bots would
definitely never pay even $1 for a capcha (this would completely prevent
them from abusing the system, heck,

$.01 a year would).


But, yeah, just a thought!


Vincent

On 8/10/2019 2:09 AM, Hope Williamson wrote:
> Hi, just curious, but wouldn't it be better to charge yearly? For
> instance $30-$50 per year?
>
>
>



Re: Regarding captcha solver

cecropia64
 

problem is?? that web visum no longer works anyway.?? stopped working a long time ago and it hasn't been revived for quite some time.?? so that particular item is out of the conversation now.

On 8/10/2019 5:56 AM, Gene wrote:
As I recall, Webvisum allows four captchas to be solved free per day.?? Some arrangement like that would seem to be the best since it allows light users to do what they need to do and would keep heavy users, such as spam bots from using it.?? Four times a day would be worthless to a spammer.
??
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2019 3:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Regarding captcha solver

Hi,


It does seem like a lot to me, but then I don't solve more than 4 or 5
capcha yearly (at least I didn't last year).?? I know this makes things
more complicated but a per-solve fee would make more sense: bots would
definitely never pay even $1 for a capcha (this would completely prevent
them from abusing the system, heck,

$.01 a year would).


But, yeah, just a thought!


Vincent

On 8/10/2019 2:09 AM, Hope Williamson wrote:
> Hi, just curious, but wouldn't it be better to charge yearly? For
> instance $30-$50 per year?
>
>
>



Re: NVDA and Email Attachments?

Richard Wells
 

David: If you are using Office later than 2003, press the following key
strokes one at a time to unprotect your document: ALT, F, I, E. I hope
that is clear enough.

On 8/9/2019 10:29 AM, David Russell wrote:
Hi Group,

If someone has sent me an MS Word doc as an attachment, and I choose
to open it in GMail, how do I unblock the message "protected view" so
to read?

If I "view as html" will that alter any format changes, i.e., line
spacing, paragraph settings, that the person has devised?

Thanks in advance. I could never download the MS Word tutorial offered
and purchased, so asking instead.


Re: CodeFactory vocalizer licenses

Gene
 

They can be SAPI voices and still be restricted for use by JAWS or whatever product is using them.  But I think they are SAPI 5 voices.
 
I know that JAWS has the ability to use SAPI 5 voices, whether these specific voices are SAPI 5 or not.. 
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
From: mattias
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] CodeFactory vocalizer licenses

No the voices you can download from fs are built to fs products

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 

Från: Gene
Skickat: den 8 augusti 2019 18:33
Till: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Ämne: Re: [nvda] CodeFactory vocalizer licenses

 

That is highly unlikely.  I haven't heard, as I recall, one complaint about using SAPI 5 voices with JAWS on the lists I am on and I've been on them for a long time. 

 

I also suspect that the free more human sounding voices you can download from the JAWS site, whose name I don't remember are SAPI 5.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Josh Kennedy

Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2019 11:18 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] CodeFactory vocalizer licenses

 

Maybe jaws does not have good sapi5 support? Both NVDA and Jim Kitchen's games from the audio games archive work fine and the voices do not crash at all. Maybe the sapi5 interface for jaws has bugs that make it crash? 

 


Re: CodeFactory vocalizer licenses

mattias
 

No the voices you can download from fs are built to fs products

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 

Från: Gene
Skickat: den 8 augusti 2019 18:33
Till: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Ämne: Re: [nvda] CodeFactory vocalizer licenses

 

That is highly unlikely.  I haven't heard, as I recall, one complaint about using SAPI 5 voices with JAWS on the lists I am on and I've been on them for a long time. 

 

I also suspect that the free more human sounding voices you can download from the JAWS site, whose name I don't remember are SAPI 5.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2019 11:18 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] CodeFactory vocalizer licenses

 

Maybe jaws does not have good sapi5 support? Both NVDA and Jim Kitchen's games from the audio games archive work fine and the voices do not crash at all. Maybe the sapi5 interface for jaws has bugs that make it crash? 

 


Re: Regarding captcha solver

Gene
 

As I recall, Webvisum allows four captchas to be solved free per day.  Some arrangement like that would seem to be the best since it allows light users to do what they need to do and would keep heavy users, such as spam bots from using it.  Four times a day would be worthless to a spammer.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2019 3:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Regarding captcha solver

Hi,


It does seem like a lot to me, but then I don't solve more than 4 or 5
capcha yearly (at least I didn't last year).  I know this makes things
more complicated but a per-solve fee would make more sense: bots would
definitely never pay even $1 for a capcha (this would completely prevent
them from abusing the system, heck,

$.01 a year would).


But, yeah, just a thought!


Vincent

On 8/10/2019 2:09 AM, Hope Williamson wrote:
> Hi, just curious, but wouldn't it be better to charge yearly? For
> instance $30-$50 per year?
>
>
>



Re: Regarding captcha solver

Vincent Le Goff <vincent.legoff.srs@...>
 

Hi,


It does seem like a lot to me, but then I don't solve more than 4 or 5 capcha yearly (at least I didn't last year).  I know this makes things more complicated but a per-solve fee would make more sense: bots would definitely never pay even $1 for a capcha (this would completely prevent them from abusing the system, heck,

$.01 a year would).


But, yeah, just a thought!


Vincent

On 8/10/2019 2:09 AM, Hope Williamson wrote:
Hi, just curious, but wouldn't it be better to charge yearly? For instance $30-$50 per year?


Re: Signatures in Windows 10 mail app

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

I believe I wrote the signature out in notepad and then pasted it into that field you found.

 

                                                                                                                                If all I have left in this world is God, I have everything!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: David Moore
Sent: Friday, August 9, 2019 5:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Signatures in Windows 10 mail app

 

Hello all I have had many problems accessing that signature filled with nvda and Jaws. that has not been accessible for a long time. Many people have called Microsoft about not being able to add a signature, and they simply won't do anything about it. David Moore

 

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019, 9:15 AM Andy B. <sonfire11@... wrote:

Hi,

 

I am trying to set up email signatures in the Windows 10 mail app. Unfortunately, when I go to settings>signatures and try to put focus on what looks to be an edit field, NVDA doesn’t read anything. In fact, it appears to get stuck after tabbing through the formatting toolbar. So, how would I create my email signatures?

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


Re: Windows 10 mail app reading inconsistently in email composition window

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

I do not know why you are having this problem. I have been using the windows 10 mail app for the last three years. When I open an email I just use the down arrow to read.  What I would prefer is that the messages AKA list of emails were next to all accounts. I have several email accounts and when I am done with one I need to tab five times to change accounts.

 

                                                                                                                                If all I have left in this world is God, I have everything!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: David Moore
Sent: Friday, August 9, 2019 5:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 mail app reading inconsistently in email composition window

 

hello all! I am so glad that you brought that up about how the Windows mail app is acting. I have had exactly the same problem in the Windows 10 mail app, what I have to do, is use the review cursor reading commands to read the mail message with the review cursor, find where I want to edit, and then press the key command to move the focus to where the review cursor is, and then I can cracked my mistakes. The the review cursor is the only way I can read an email. You are cracked, if I simply use the up and down arrow keys the focus will not say the correct text at all for what is on each line and the message that you are typing in the mail app. Nvda has not worked well in the Windows 10 mail app for a long time when it comes to typing, reading, and doing just about anything with messages. I have to use many round about ways to even use the Windows 10 mail app oh, like I said, I have to read messages with the review cursor. David Moore

 


Re: annoying "line feed" characters.

Luke Davis
 

If speech dictionaries are profile dependent, you could create and activate a config profile for your editor, then change "line feed" to space in the speech dictionary, and then save your config profile.

I don't actually know if dictionaries are saved separately with profiles, however--I suspect not. In which case you could only do this system wide. Or write a tiny add-on to deal with it.

Luke

On Fri, 9 Aug 2019, Curtis Delzer wrote:

When I use a sound editor like Studio recorder, I cannot get NVDA to stop saying "line feed" when I press an arrow key with the main screen of the editor. What can I do?

-


Curtis Delzer
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

curtis@calweb.com




annoying "line feed" characters.

Curtis Delzer
 

When I use a sound editor like Studio recorder, I cannot get NVDA to stop saying "line feed" when I press an arrow key with the main screen of the editor. What can I do?

-


Curtis Delzer
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

curtis@calweb.com


Re: disabling NVDA collapse/expanded prompt in firefox 68.01

Arlene
 

Hi I don’t use firefox. But I bet clapsed and expanded does get old and annoying.  I hope you get your problem resolved.  I don’t have firefox installed on this win ten machine.  I had that problem with my old win 7 before it died. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Orhan Deniz via Groups.Io
Sent: August 9, 2019 6:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] disabling NVDA collapse/expanded prompt in firefox 68.01

 

Yes, I tried that before I wrote this post. Alas it did not seem to work.

 

On 10/08/2019 00:49, zahra wrote:

> hi.

> i am not familiar with newer versions of firefox,

> but i believe that its good to test disabling autocomplete in firefox

> about:config

> browser.urlbar.autocomplete.enabled

> i disabled it in my favorite version of firefox which is firefox 50.

> hope that can helps you, God bless you!

>

> On 8/10/19, Orhan Deniz via Groups.Io

> <orhan.deniz63@...> wrote:

>> Hi. probably something really obvious I'm missing here but has anyone

>> figured out a way to disable the NVDA collapsed/expanded prompt in the

>> firefox address bar of version 66 and upwards? I find it to be

>> slightly irritating and cumbersome as I just type my address and then

>> move on, I

>> don't need to know whether its expanded or collapsed in this instance.

>> I have also disabled autofill in about:config however I believe this

>> is something to do more with NVDA than ff. also using NVDA 19.1.

>> 

>> Cheers, Orhan.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

 

 

 


Re: disabling NVDA collapse/expanded prompt in firefox 68.01

Orhan Deniz <orhan.deniz63@...>
 

Yes, I tried that before I wrote this post. Alas it did not seem to work.

On 10/08/2019 00:49, zahra wrote:
hi.
i am not familiar with newer versions of firefox,
but i believe that its good to test disabling autocomplete in firefox
about:config
browser.urlbar.autocomplete.enabled
i disabled it in my favorite version of firefox which is firefox 50.
hope that can helps you, God bless you!
On 8/10/19, Orhan Deniz via Groups.Io
<orhan.deniz63=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi. probably something really obvious I'm missing here but has anyone
figured out a way to disable the NVDA collapsed/expanded prompt in the
firefox address bar of version 66 and upwards? I find it to be
slightly irritating and cumbersome as I just type my address and then
move on, I
don't need to know whether its expanded or collapsed in this instance.
I have also disabled autofill in about:config however I believe this
is something to do more with NVDA than ff. also using NVDA 19.1.

Cheers, Orhan.




Re: Regarding captcha solver

Hope Williamson <hopeisjoyful@...>
 

Hi, just curious, but wouldn't it be better to charge yearly? For instance $30-$50 per year?


Re: disabling NVDA collapse/expanded prompt in firefox 68.01

 

hi.
i am not familiar with newer versions of firefox,
but i believe that its good to test disabling autocomplete in firefox
about:config
browser.urlbar.autocomplete.enabled
i disabled it in my favorite version of firefox which is firefox 50.
hope that can helps you, God bless you!

On 8/10/19, Orhan Deniz via Groups.Io
<orhan.deniz63=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi. probably something really obvious I'm missing here but has anyone
figured out a way to disable the NVDA collapsed/expanded prompt in the
firefox address bar of version 66 and upwards? I find it to be
slightly irritating and cumbersome as I just type my address and then
move on, I
don't need to know whether its expanded or collapsed in this instance.
I have also disabled autofill in about:config however I believe this
is something to do more with NVDA than ff. also using NVDA 19.1.

Cheers, Orhan.




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Signatures in Windows 10 mail app

David Moore
 

Hello all I have had many problems accessing that signature filled with nvda and Jaws. that has not been accessible for a long time. Many people have called Microsoft about not being able to add a signature, and they simply won't do anything about it. David Moore


On Fri, Aug 9, 2019, 9:15 AM Andy B. <sonfire11@... wrote:

Hi,

 

I am trying to set up email signatures in the Windows 10 mail app. Unfortunately, when I go to settings>signatures and try to put focus on what looks to be an edit field, NVDA doesn’t read anything. In fact, it appears to get stuck after tabbing through the formatting toolbar. So, how would I create my email signatures?

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Windows 10 mail app reading inconsistently in email composition window

David Moore
 

hello all! I am so glad that you brought that up about how the Windows mail app is acting. I have had exactly the same problem in the Windows 10 mail app, what I have to do, is use the review cursor reading commands to read the mail message with the review cursor, find where I want to edit, and then press the key command to move the focus to where the review cursor is, and then I can cracked my mistakes. The the review cursor is the only way I can read an email. You are cracked, if I simply use the up and down arrow keys the focus will not say the correct text at all for what is on each line and the message that you are typing in the mail app. Nvda has not worked well in the Windows 10 mail app for a long time when it comes to typing, reading, and doing just about anything with messages. I have to use many round about ways to even use the Windows 10 mail app oh, like I said, I have to read messages with the review cursor. David Moore


Re: winamp

Luke Davis
 

On Fri, 9 Aug 2019, Gene wrote:

Perhaps this should be a general setting, automatically read the title bar when it changes in the opened Window.  Then you could set up a profile if you
only want it to be done in a specific program.
Agreed. I believe that would solve the problem of program states changing from non-responsive to responsive, and NVDA not mentioning it.

Luke