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Re: Microsoft refresh tool.

 

I did find it on the ACER site, actually. I had to narrow down a lot of parameters and compare numbers, but I did finally find the right laptop. Although, stupid me, I bought it from wallmart rather than directly from ACER. Oh well, live and learn! By the way, random aside, in my soon to be published short story in clarkesworld magazine, that link goes to the podcast, characters use NVDA and JAWS. Do any need a trademark?

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Re: CLARITY OF TERMINOLOGY AND DOCUMENTATION

Antony Stone
 

I believe this to be completely the wrong way round.

A professional translator should be a native speaker of the language they are
translating TO, and a very competent speaker of the language/s they are
translating FROM.

The reason is simple - they are creating their own work in the destination
language, and that needs to be flawless to another native speaker of that
language. Anyone writing in a second language is going to make more mistakes
or come up with more curious constructions than a native speaker is.


Antony.

On Tuesday 19 February 2019 at 11:14:18, Brian K. Lingard wrote:

Dear Rui & List:
Professional translators or interpreters and revisers, editors of
translated work, need to speak, read & write the language they are
interpreting from, normally their "A" language, their Mother Tongue as
well as their "B" or "C" language they are translating to.

For this reason, a person translating an English user manual needs to
speak, read & write English as their Mother tongue. They would not
normally be Portuguese. They must recognize the idioms of the language.

For example, a radio station with the slogan:
New York Spells NEWS might translate this into {Portuguese as New York
means NEWS, or New York is always newsworthy! As opposed to the literal
translation, New York spells NEWS!

In Spanish, it would be Nuevo York espelle Noticia! However, saying Nuevo
York is always worthy of Noticia might get the meaning across more
accurately.

Friend of mine, a professional Interpreter translator & reviser, Engl0ish
into French, interpreted a meeting about the switch as being about le
Commutator, a light switch. Partway through the meeting, it dawned on him
they were discussing a telephone switching machine, not a light switch!
True it switches, but it connects telephone calls, does not turn the
lights on or off! He said man, did he feel dumb@!

If the meeting had been about railways, it might have talked about the
switch, however a railway switch which lets a train go from one track to
another, is also called Points or Track Points! If you hand a railway
locomotive engineer a LIGHTSWITCH when he says he needs a switch, he will
explain he needs Points to go to another track, not something to turn the
lights on and off! Brian K. Lingard VE3YI, Ab2JI, B. A., C. T. M.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Rui
Fontes Sent: February 16, 2019 11:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CLARITY OF TERMINOLOGY AND DOCUMENTATION

Yes, if I can find a professional translator specialized in assistive
technology the result should be good, but at least in Portugal we do not
have that...

Rui

Às 15:57 de 16/02/2019, Brian Vogel escreveu:
Rui,

No criticism of you, but of the "professional" translators

You
used: Attempts to do "literal translation" are about as
Unprofessional as you can get.

The job of a professional translator, which you are showing

Yourself to be in this context, is to bring the concept, in as much
Fullness as possible, across languages. That often involved very
Intentional choices to dump literal, word by word or even phrase by
Phrase translation. The object is to convey shared understanding, and
You are trying to do that admirably.

Then again, to give professional translators who may be

having difficulty here some credit, they are not tech geeks, either.
How would someone who has no idea of what "input gestures" is supposed
To convey be able to accurately translate it conceptually? In
Order to translate well you have to have some idea of the meaning, not
Just the written structure, of what it is you are translating.

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Is anyone maintaining this one. I just had to add the manifest bits manually for it to work in Alpha, but of course have no idea about whether its code is going to fall foul of future updates.
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Re: Question on Chrome, Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?

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Yes of course page designers could help a lot by not hiding links under the text of pages that when read by us do not seem to be links unless we look at them, and you cannot get to the link address if you wanted, as I often do, to put the link in a text script for humans to read for an audio publication!
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Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: Question on Chrome, Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?


On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 03:15 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:


What would be nice is to be able to cut and paste the uncluttered text so
one can keep it in a normal text file
You can certainly do this with the page that results from using the Chrome Reader mode. After looking at the result of Chrome's native reader mode and the Reader add-on I far prefer the result from the former to the latter, particularly if cut and paste is desired. The Reader add-on retains far more links along with other web objects like edit boxes, etc., that make no sense to me to have kept in the first place.

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Re: CLARITY OF TERMINOLOGY AND DOCUMENTATION

Brian K. Lingard
 

Dear Rui & List:
Professional translators or interpreters and revisers, editors of translated work, need to speak, read & write the language they are interpreting from, normally their "A" language, their Mother Tongue as well as their "B" or "C" language they are translating to.

For this reason, a person translating an English user manual needs to speak, read & write English as their Mother tongue. They would not normally be Portuguese. They must recognize the idioms of the language.

For example, a radio station with the slogan:
New York Spells NEWS might translate this into {Portuguese as New York means NEWS, or New York is always newsworthy! As opposed to the literal translation, New York spells NEWS!

In Spanish, it would be Nuevo York espelle Noticia! However, saying Nuevo York is always worthy of Noticia might get the meaning across more accurately.

Friend of mine, a professional Interpreter translator & reviser, Engl0ish into French, interpreted a meeting about the switch as being about le Commutator, a light switch. Partway through the meeting, it dawned on him they were discussing a telephone switching machine, not a light switch! True it switches, but it connects telephone calls, does not turn the lights on or off! He said man, did he feel dumb@!

If the meeting had been about railways, it might have talked about the switch, however a railway switch which lets a train go from one track to another, is also called Points or Track Points! If you hand a railway locomotive engineer a LIGHTSWITCH when he says he needs a switch, he will explain he needs Points to go to another track, not something to turn the lights on and off!
Brian K. Lingard VE3YI, Ab2JI, B. A., C. T. M.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Rui Fontes
Sent: February 16, 2019 11:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CLARITY OF TERMINOLOGY AND DOCUMENTATION

Yes, if I can find a professional translator specialized in assistive technology the result should be good, but at least in Portugal we do not have that...

Rui


Às 15:57 de 16/02/2019, Brian Vogel escreveu:
Rui,

No criticism of you, but of the "professional" translators
You
used: Attempts to do "literal translation" are about as
Unprofessional as you can get.

The job of a professional translator, which you are showing
Yourself to be in this context, is to bring the concept, in as much
Fullness as possible, across languages. That often involved very
Intentional choices to dump literal, word by word or even phrase by
Phrase translation. The object is to convey shared understanding, and
You are trying to do that admirably.

Then again, to give professional translators who may be
having difficulty here some credit, they are not tech geeks, either.
How would someone who has no idea of what "input gestures" is supposed
To convey be able to accurately translate it conceptually? In
Order to translate well you have to have some idea of the meaning, not
Just the written structure, of what it is you are translating.

--

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*/A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep./*

~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/


Re: two questions on Windows10: notifications and skype

Chris
 

I think in nvda settings > object presentation > report notifications

Is the setting to turn notifications on or off

 

 

 

From: Simone Dal Maso
Sent: 19 February 2019 08:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] two questions on Windows10: notifications and skype

 

Hello,

Does NVDA read incoming notifications on your Windows10?

On my pc it worked a while, but in the last 2 months it stopped. Perhaps

some windows update?

Same problem on skype, where the dedicated hotkeys don't work anymore.

Do you confirm this issues?

 

 

 


Re: two questions on Windows10: notifications and skype

Sylvie Duchateau
 

It happened to me for another checkbox, in the same dialog, on reporting text description. I never unchecked this box, but it was unchecked.

A mystery of NVDAs settings...

Sylvie

Le 19/02/2019 à 09:48, Simone Dal Maso a écrit :

Oh my God,
The report notification was disabled!
I have no words...
What a silly mistake... thank you very much!





Il 19/02/2019 09:40, Sylvie Duchateau ha scritto:
Hello Simone,

In NVDA menu, if you go to settings, object presentation, is report notifications and report tooltips checked?

For Skype, what does not work?

Best

Sylvie

Le 19/02/2019 à 09:33, Simone Dal Maso a écrit :

Hello,
Does NVDA read incoming notifications on your Windows10?
On my pc it worked a while, but in the last 2 months it stopped. Perhaps some windows update?
Same problem on skype, where the dedicated hotkeys don't work anymore.
Do you confirm this issues?





Re: two questions on Windows10: notifications and skype

Simone Dal Maso
 

Oh my God,
The report notification was disabled!
I have no words...
What a silly mistake... thank you very much!

Il 19/02/2019 09:40, Sylvie Duchateau ha scritto:
Hello Simone,
In NVDA menu, if you go to settings, object presentation, is report notifications and report tooltips checked?
For Skype, what does not work?
Best
Sylvie
Le 19/02/2019 à 09:33, Simone Dal Maso a écrit :

Hello,
Does NVDA read incoming notifications on your Windows10?
On my pc it worked a while, but in the last 2 months it stopped. Perhaps some windows update?
Same problem on skype, where the dedicated hotkeys don't work anymore.
Do you confirm this issues?



Re: two questions on Windows10: notifications and skype

Sylvie Duchateau
 

Hello Simone,

In NVDA menu, if you go to settings, object presentation, is report notifications and report tooltips checked?

For Skype, what does not work?

Best

Sylvie

Le 19/02/2019 à 09:33, Simone Dal Maso a écrit :

Hello,
Does NVDA read incoming notifications on your Windows10?
On my pc it worked a while, but in the last 2 months it stopped. Perhaps some windows update?
Same problem on skype, where the dedicated hotkeys don't work anymore.
Do you confirm this issues?


two questions on Windows10: notifications and skype

Simone Dal Maso
 

Hello,
Does NVDA read incoming notifications on your Windows10?
On my pc it worked a while, but in the last 2 months it stopped. Perhaps some windows update?
Same problem on skype, where the dedicated hotkeys don't work anymore.
Do you confirm this issues?


Re: Using Office Products with UIA

Gene
 

What are you describing?  Document mode is a review mode.  Browse mode is intended to be used in a browser or a PDF document in programs that support it.  it creates a virtual cursor.  As far as I know, you aren't intended to use document review in browse mode.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

a problem also Joseph, is that with UIA enabled, NVDA brows mode and document mode, when you exit browse mode, are on completely different parts of a document.

On 2/17/2019 1:22 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

At least to answer Robert’s question through this one: no, it won’t be enabled by default, as NVDA developers and some testers found bugs and regressions with UIA on.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

 

I agree, this makes reading even complex word documents as quick as reading a mere Notepad window, making Word actually enjoyable to use. I hope that all other Office programs start using this too.

Devin Pratersent from Gmail.

 

 

On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 6:17 AM Robert Kingett <kingettr@...> wrote:

If this will become a much wanted method of interacting with word, and since Microsoft will continue making better support, shouldn't this be on by default after1901?


Re: Using Office Products with UIA

enes sarıbaş
 

a problem also Joseph, is that with UIA enabled, NVDA brows mode and document mode, when you exit browse mode, are on completely different parts of a document.

On 2/17/2019 1:22 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

At least to answer Robert’s question through this one: no, it won’t be enabled by default, as NVDA developers and some testers found bugs and regressions with UIA on.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

 

I agree, this makes reading even complex word documents as quick as reading a mere Notepad window, making Word actually enjoyable to use. I hope that all other Office programs start using this too.

Devin Pratersent from Gmail.

 

 

On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 6:17 AM Robert Kingett <kingettr@...> wrote:

If this will become a much wanted method of interacting with word, and since Microsoft will continue making better support, shouldn't this be on by default after1901?


Re: Skim reading problems during Say All

 

hi.
i confirm this behaviour in nvda reading sayAll using skim reading.
unfortunately this problem occures for me every time when i face blank
lines and in this case, skim reading does not work and nvda stops
reading.
i should press nvda down again to use sayAll again.
even i read some sentences letter by letter, or word by word, i
observe sayAll stops working.

On 2/18/19, Lily <postavantjazzcoree@...> wrote:
Hello, I am occasionally running into an issue while using the skim read
function during say all in Firefox. While in say all, I can arrow down and
advance through the page no problem, but if I want to go back up or hear
something again using the up arrow, NVDA gets stuck at the beginning of a
paragraph, particularly if there's a line break before it. It's as if it
hangs inside the line break and then refuses to move anywhere, repeating
the start of that particular paragraph over and over whenever I hit arrow
keys.
This doesn't happen all the time, but I'm noticing it more often when
trying to read forums or this email group, it gets stuck in the signatures
of some users and it's driving me nuts. Is this a bug or an intended
feature of Say All? This occurs in both my desktop and portable copies of
2018.4.1 in Win 10, on multiple computers, on both Espeak and Eloquence.

If anybody could shine some light on this I would appreciate it.



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were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: android studio problem with NVDA

Jaffar Sidek
 

Hi.  Press Control+Tab until you here event log.  Tab to the "Editor" and arrow down the list of messages.  Cheers!

On 2/18/2019 9:17 PM, Diego Ricardo Matos wrote:
Hello guys!
I'm using android studio but I'm having problems with NVDA.
It turns out that the compiler and messages are not read by NVDA, with
java access bridge enabled and working.

What can I do?
I'm running android studio 3.2, with NVDA 2018.4.1 on windows 10 64 bit.


Re: Microsoft refresh tool.

 

Firstly, you should be able to download and use media creation to remove all the partitions on the drive and then reinstall the software.

Firstly you would create your windows media as normal.

Then you would boot off it maybe you will need sighted help to boot the usb stick.

After that, you can run setup and choose to repair the computer and start recovery console.

Once in there you type diskpart and hit enter.

Next list disk, there is probably only 1 disk.

Then select disk.

Then type clean

After that exit diskpart by typing exit.

then type setup and hit enter, then install windows as you want.

You then need to go to the acer website, and use their serial number detection program to get your serial, then you can download and reinstall all the programs and drivers.

With my hp, it came with mcafee, and a load of bloat.

However the hp site had hp utilities, and diagnostics, drivers and bios updates.

You will probably want to go to the nvidia site and download and install their drivers for the unit, codecguide.com probably has those to and links to get them.

The java program to access the detecter is not accessible but once you have drivers they will work.

Intel has a driver updater which you need to load which is not accessible but once thats installed, typing intel driver and support assistant in google is enough to start it.

Most likely you will get everything you need then.

As for the laptop, I'd be carefull about buying this as I havn't found it in the acer website when trying to search for it.

Then again I don't have a serial code for that however I had a bad experience with a store last year where after not having what I wanted they gave me a deal on a laptop that they said was really good.

They seemed to push it on me though saying it was really good.

It didn't exist anywhere online, it was not supported.

And it was really old to.

Worse came to it I would be left with an unsupported laptop that I would then have to get rid of.

I have never used acer units but see what they do.

One thing I really hate about intel units though is they need drivers for everything.

In my hp, I do need drivers for everything, the smart card, the sound card and network cards but the processer, chipset, graphics and sound controlers both internal and external are all amd so I only have 1 driver package.



On 19/02/2019 1:53 AM, Robert Kingett wrote:

I bought this  Acer laptop, 256GB SSD, frankly because that was all I could afford, I make money from book sales, after all. Anyway, I assume that it will come with a lot of bloat on it. ACER driver managers, and more ACER junk. I've never bought an ACER laptop before, usually I've gone with HP and or DELL because they are cheap, but this one was a deal so, I had a few questions regarding the Microsoft refresh tool.


1. Does it really do as Microsoft claims? Remove apps not by Microsoft? I'm looking to do a complete refresh when I unpack the laptop today.

2. I have a digital license tied to my Microsoft account for windows 10, but just in case, does anyone know how I can back up my product key for entering after I do the refresh? Also, will the digital license adapt itself to different home versions? Like, for example, if the laptop has 1809?


Skim reading problems during Say All

Lily
 

Hello, I am occasionally running into an issue while using the skim read function during say all in Firefox. While in say all, I can arrow down and advance through the page no problem, but if I want to go back up or hear something again using the up arrow, NVDA gets stuck at the beginning of a paragraph, particularly if there's a line break before it. It's as if it hangs inside the line break and then refuses to move anywhere, repeating the start of that particular paragraph over and over whenever I hit arrow keys.
This doesn't happen all the time, but I'm noticing it more often when trying to read forums or this email group, it gets stuck in the signatures of some users and it's driving me nuts. Is this a bug or an intended feature of Say All? This occurs in both my desktop and portable copies of 2018.4.1 in Win 10, on multiple computers, on both Espeak and Eloquence.

If anybody could shine some light on this I would appreciate it.


Re: Reading printed landscape sheet

 

On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 03:00 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Often its the formatting that gets mangled when you do this I find.
Seriously, then the time has come to invest in a multi-function machine that can do the job, and with ease.

All of my Canon multi-functions for the last 15 years or so have been able to scan a document in either landscape or portrait format and create the corresponding OCRed and fully readable PDF.   I seem to recall recently it having actually scanned one that was portrait, but with a landscape banner running up the left side of the page, such that the banner was recognized.  This wasn't a good thing, though, so we ended up covering it up.

I think the top price, new, I've paid is around $80 and the cheapest one, now long gone was $29.
 
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Re: Reading printed landscape sheet

farhan israk
 

Thanks. But, I wasn't able to read properly. suppose, first line is a b c. Next line is d e f. Nvda was reading as first line is a d.


On Mon, 18 Feb 2019, 2:00 pm Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io wrote:
Often its the formatting that gets mangled when you do this I find.
 Brian

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From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading printed landscape sheet


> Hi Farhan,
>
> Any printed sheet would need to be run through an OCR program to convert
> the text on the paper to something NVDA can read.  The text is usually
> imaged with a scanner, though can be done with a camera as well.  Most OCR
> programs can detect text in landscape or portrait mode so if you already
> have a scanner etc, that shouldn't be an issue.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 5:46 PM farhan israk <fahim.net.2014@...>
> wrote:
>
>> I have a printed sheet which printed in landscape mode. How to read it?
>>
>>
>>
>
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station play list

Kerryn Gunness
 


hi guys
do any of you have a tutorial on station play list using NVDA?


Re: Golden Cursor question

Gene
 

I understand that.  But using the JAWS cursor if you don't know the very small movement commands, and most JAWS users don't, is equivalent to screen review in NVDA.  I wasn't talking about various more precise ways to move the mouse.  I was answering the question of how you move the mouse in NVDA, not discussing the limits of that movement.  And you can also move the mouse when in object navigation mode.  I have done so in the past to work with a program I couldn't gain proper access to using screen review.  In JAWS, the Touch Cursor would have had to be used for that program.  and, just as in JAWS, you can move by word or character when moving the mouse with the NVDA review commands.  As I said, these are equivalent to moving the JAWS cursor using the commands most JAWS users know about.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 12:00 PM, Gene wrote:
To move the mouse to the review position, use the command numpad insert numpad slash.  To left click the mouse, use numpad slash. To right click, use numpad Times, which I believe is also the asterisk.  It's immediately to the right of numpad slash.  
Gene, these are, at best, distant approximations of actually moving the mouse around, and I'm aware of all of the mouse "snap to" commands in both NVDA and JAWS.

What Golden Cursor does is entirely different, and actually allows the movement of the native mouse pointer around the screen to specific positions.  I don't even know how, exactly, I can describe the difference accurately, but the "Move Mouse to Current Navigator Object" and corresponding "Navigate to object under the mouse" aren't even necessarily moving the mouse pointer at all.  Actions by Golden Cursor literally do.
 
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