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In-Process is out

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

This week, our In-Process blog has details on the new NVDA 2021.1 Beta 1, plus all the info you need to get your head around the release cycle. And an invitation to participate in the 2021 NVDA Satisfaction Survey: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-28th-may-2021/


Kind regards

Quentin.
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: Running Commands with Admin Privilege

Martin McCormick
 

I was simply taking things too literally. Thanks again.


Martin

"Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com> writes:

On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 01:31 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:


A bit about "comma": that's usually the way I write commands (others may
have different ideas).
-
As do I, and as does most documentation where a multi-key press, in order
must occur, e.g., WinKey+X,A to run a command prompt (in my case) with
admin privileges or NVDA+N,T,A to open the NVDA Add-Ons Manager.

I just couldn't interpret the meaning of, "I hit comma and it did
nothing," in this context. Just like the plus sign in two-keystroke at
once sequences isn't interpreted literally, nor should comma ever be.
Some will write out something like NVDA+N, followed by T, followed by A,
but that gets really unmanageable really fast.

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their
actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions,
and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What
you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

~ Brian Vogel


Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

tim
 

That very same need is what got a major pipeline in North Carolina to be hacked and shut down.

I think you might of heard of that one?

now they are breaking ass to plug those holes. So you may not have long to enjoy that feature.

On 5/27/2021 6:41 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
 Brian Vogel wrote:

This is a serious question, and not meant to be taken as snarky:  What need is this addressing?Since NVDA (and JAWS, for that matter) are PC platform only
software, I can't imagine what the benefit of trying to control it from the iOS platform would be.
Brian

You seem to be looking at this from the screen reader prospective, rather than the simple prospective of being able to use a remote desktop from a smartphone.

The sighted community has had for years, the ability to remote in to a work computer, for example, via their smartphone after hours, to quickly do something that can't easily be done directly from the smartphone itself.

Until now, there hasn't really been any convenient way for blind users to do this, unless your work was a primarily Linux environment and you could come in through SSH from your phone/tablet.

For me at least, this opens quite a few possibilities, depending on exactly how well it works.

For example, there are administrative tools for some of my daily tasks, that only work from a Windows browser. Whether in iOS Chrome or Safari, using mobile or requested desktop sites, they simply don't work from iOS.

That means that if a customer calls me while I don't have access to a laptop, until now they would just have to wait until I did.

If this actually works well, I could now remote into one of my home systems by private server, and remotely fill that need immediately.

A situation occurred just yesterday wherein that would have been very helpful indeed.

I for one welcome this development. I have needed it enough, that were I an iOS developer, I would have tried it myself a long time ago.

Luke




Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

Sarah k Alawami
 

That would be nice, but that might right now seem like a lofty dream.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 4:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

 

Well it would be nice to have a mmore universal remote from anywhere.

 

 

On 28/05/2021 11:50 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi

 

Is this what you are saying part of this idea on apple vis at https://www.applevis.com/forum/ios-ipados/app-concept-nvda-remote-ios

 

I know there is a friend of mine who uses apple devices and this waswas a question he asked me if he could control nvda on another computer from his device.

I said to him at that time I did not think so.

 

Gene nz

 

On 28/05/2021 9:39 am, William James wrote:

Got you covered!

NVDA Remote for iOS Being Developed

You're encouraged to test this:

https://testflight.apple.com/join/oEUkUTMd

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Crayton Benner via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 3:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDARemote

 

I saw that link on twitter yesterday. I should have posted it. 


On Wednesday, May 26, 2021, 15:19, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Well since we are on the subject of nvda remote, I don't have the link here but according to various twitter feeds and other groups, there is an ios server or client for nvda remote in test phase.

 


Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

Sarah k Alawami
 

Agreed. I often need to access my computer while on my phone, down stairs to check on something. I’ve been relying on someone in notepad on my machine sending me messages as to how things are going. Now that won’t be necessary, or at least, not  as often.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 3:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

 

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 06:41 PM, Luke Davis wrote:

You seem to be looking at this from the screen reader prospective

-
That would be a correct conjecture.  I don't think of any of the screen reader "remotes" as being the equivalent of a standard remote desktop.

You've raised good points, and ones I had not thought of, since they weren't a part of "the big, but not big enough" picture that I had in my mind.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

 

Well it would be nice to have a mmore universal remote from anywhere.



On 28/05/2021 11:50 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi


Is this what you are saying part of this idea on apple vis at https://www.applevis.com/forum/ios-ipados/app-concept-nvda-remote-ios


I know there is a friend of mine who uses apple devices and this waswas a question he asked me if he could control nvda on another computer from his device.

I said to him at that time I did not think so.


Gene nz


On 28/05/2021 9:39 am, William James wrote:

Got you covered!

NVDA Remote for iOS Being Developed

You're encouraged to test this:

https://testflight.apple.com/join/oEUkUTMd

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Crayton Benner via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 3:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDARemote

 

I saw that link on twitter yesterday. I should have posted it. 



On Wednesday, May 26, 2021, 15:19, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Well since we are on the subject of nvda remote, I don't have the link here but according to various twitter feeds and other groups, there is an ios server or client for nvda remote in test phase.

 


Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


Is this what you are saying part of this idea on apple vis at https://www.applevis.com/forum/ios-ipados/app-concept-nvda-remote-ios


I know there is a friend of mine who uses apple devices and this waswas a question he asked me if he could control nvda on another computer from his device.

I said to him at that time I did not think so.


Gene nz


On 28/05/2021 9:39 am, William James wrote:

Got you covered!

NVDA Remote for iOS Being Developed

You're encouraged to test this:

https://testflight.apple.com/join/oEUkUTMd

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Crayton Benner via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 3:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDARemote

 

I saw that link on twitter yesterday. I should have posted it. 



On Wednesday, May 26, 2021, 15:19, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Well since we are on the subject of nvda remote, I don't have the link here but according to various twitter feeds and other groups, there is an ios server or client for nvda remote in test phase.

 


Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

 

Now if it would only spread to android/mac/linux, you could basically run a windows system with nvda and control it from anywhere you want.

So all you would need is whatever you wanted and run it just for geek sake.

On 28/05/2021 10:30 am, Hareth wrote:
blind IOS users with the need of remotely control their PC's probably
has no other way but to use NVDA specially with this app potential.
Actually I find it very promising for those who need the service.

On 5/27/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 06:12 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:

I am not a iOS user.
-
And? How does this relate to what you quoted, or anything so far in this
topic? It feels like something's missing.

I'm not an iOS user, either. And while I have little doubt that there are a
great many iPhone and/or iPad (thus, iOS) users who also use NVDA, I doubt
that most ever think of those spheres at the same time. That's why I find
this whole development odd, to say the least.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.
The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression,
which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the
clearest indicator of who you are.

~ Brian Vogel







.


Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

 

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 06:41 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
You seem to be looking at this from the screen reader prospective
-
That would be a correct conjecture.  I don't think of any of the screen reader "remotes" as being the equivalent of a standard remote desktop.

You've raised good points, and ones I had not thought of, since they weren't a part of "the big, but not big enough" picture that I had in my mind.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

Luke Davis
 

Brian Vogel wrote:

This is a serious question, and not meant to be taken as snarky:  What need is this addressing?Since NVDA (and JAWS, for that matter) are PC platform only
software, I can't imagine what the benefit of trying to control it from the iOS platform would be.
Brian

You seem to be looking at this from the screen reader prospective, rather than the simple prospective of being able to use a remote desktop from a smartphone.

The sighted community has had for years, the ability to remote in to a work computer, for example, via their smartphone after hours, to quickly do something that can't easily be done directly from the smartphone itself.

Until now, there hasn't really been any convenient way for blind users to do this, unless your work was a primarily Linux environment and you could come in through SSH from your phone/tablet.

For me at least, this opens quite a few possibilities, depending on exactly how well it works.

For example, there are administrative tools for some of my daily tasks, that only work from a Windows browser. Whether in iOS Chrome or Safari, using mobile or requested desktop sites, they simply don't work from iOS.

That means that if a customer calls me while I don't have access to a laptop, until now they would just have to wait until I did.

If this actually works well, I could now remote into one of my home systems by private server, and remotely fill that need immediately.

A situation occurred just yesterday wherein that would have been very helpful indeed.

I for one welcome this development. I have needed it enough, that were I an iOS developer, I would have tried it myself a long time ago.

Luke


Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

Hareth
 

blind IOS users with the need of remotely control their PC's probably
has no other way but to use NVDA specially with this app potential.
Actually I find it very promising for those who need the service.

On 5/27/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 06:12 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:


I am not a iOS user.
-
And? How does this relate to what you quoted, or anything so far in this
topic? It feels like something's missing.

I'm not an iOS user, either. And while I have little doubt that there are a
great many iPhone and/or iPad (thus, iOS) users who also use NVDA, I doubt
that most ever think of those spheres at the same time. That's why I find
this whole development odd, to say the least.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.
The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression,
which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the
clearest indicator of who you are.

~ Brian Vogel






Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

 

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 06:25 PM, Hareth wrote:
BTW there is an android app does let us use NVDA remote as well.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=im.vortex.narwall&hl=en&gl=US
-
I'd have the same question for this, too.

But I give the developer of this credit for being very conservative (and appropriate) with the permissions this Android app requests.  The list appears to be strictly what would be necessary for the back-and-forth between the devices.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

 

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 06:20 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I believe someone already got something working according to the applevis website.
-
Sarah, I'm more than willing to take your word on this, as I shan't be joining another online venue at this point.

But even if that's so, I'd still be asking the question I set out at the beginning:  What need is this intended to address?

Even those who develop open-source software "just for fun" tend to have started out because something they either wanted or needed did not exist.  It had to be created.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

Hareth
 

The answer really depends on the user need with remotely using the PC,
the developer might answer for his own reason which maybe has nothing
with mine or yours.
Check the play store reviews for team viewer you'd find many reasons
for why tens of millions using that app to remotely controlling their
PC's using android phones.
BTW there is an android app does let us use NVDA remote as well.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=im.vortex.narwall&hl=en&gl=US

On 5/27/21, William James <wil@wilanddenise.com> wrote:
You are posing some very good questions on this topic. I hope the developer
of this app will step in and clarify his/her position on why they developed
this app.



One thing I can definitely say: The possibilities are endless! Where
there’s a will, there’s a way. No pun intended.





Sent from Mail for Windows 10



From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 6:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)



On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 05:53 PM, William James wrote:

A totally blind person could remote in using a Bluetooth keyboard with the
iDevice and troubleshoot the issue.
-
The question then becomes: How likely is such a scenario? Even more
important: How likely is it that anyone who would be willing and able to
work with NVDA Remote will not have the native PC platform to do it with?

As I said, though, I have no skin in this game. I'm just trying to
understand the rationale. Software in general is a major investment in time
and money, and as a result it usually doesn't get developed unless there is
an identified need first.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.
The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression,
which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the
clearest indicator of who you are.

~ Brian Vogel






Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

Sarah k Alawami
 

I believe someone already got something working according to the applevis website. I can’t find the article just now, but a quick search on their forums should do the trick.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 2:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

 

This is a serious question, and not meant to be taken as snarky:  What need is this addressing?

Since NVDA (and JAWS, for that matter) are PC platform only software, I can't imagine what the benefit of trying to control it from the iOS platform would be.  I can't even figure out what the UI for NVDA Remote under iOS would be.

Since there seems to be enthusiasm, I ask those who have it to enlighten me.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

 

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 06:12 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
I am not a iOS user.
-
And?  How does this relate to what you quoted, or anything so far in this topic?  It feels like something's missing.

I'm not an iOS user, either.  And while I have little doubt that there are a great many iPhone and/or iPad (thus, iOS) users who also use NVDA, I doubt that most ever think of those spheres at the same time.  That's why I find this whole development odd, to say the least.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

Rui Fontes
 

I am not a iOS user.


Rui Fontes


Às 22:39 de 27/05/2021, William James escreveu:

Got you covered!

NVDA Remote for iOS Being Developed

You're encouraged to test this:

https://testflight.apple.com/join/oEUkUTMd

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Crayton Benner via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 3:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDARemote

 

I saw that link on twitter yesterday. I should have posted it. 



On Wednesday, May 26, 2021, 15:19, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Well since we are on the subject of nvda remote, I don't have the link here but according to various twitter feeds and other groups, there is an ios server or client for nvda remote in test phase.

 


Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

William James
 

You are posing some very good questions on this topic.  I hope the developer of this app will step in and clarify his/her position on why they developed this app.

 

One thing I can definitely say: The possibilities are endless!  Where there’s a will, there’s a way.  No pun intended.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 6:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

 

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 05:53 PM, William James wrote:

A totally blind person could remote in using a Bluetooth keyboard with the iDevice and troubleshoot the issue.

-
The question then becomes:  How likely is such a scenario?  Even more important:  How likely is it that anyone who would be willing and able to work with NVDA Remote will not have the native PC platform to do it with?

As I said, though, I have no skin in this game.  I'm just trying to understand the rationale.  Software in general is a major investment in time and money, and as a result it usually doesn't get developed unless there is an identified need first.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 

 


Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

 

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 05:53 PM, William James wrote:
A totally blind person could remote in using a Bluetooth keyboard with the iDevice and troubleshoot the issue.
-
The question then becomes:  How likely is such a scenario?  Even more important:  How likely is it that anyone who would be willing and able to work with NVDA Remote will not have the native PC platform to do it with?

As I said, though, I have no skin in this game.  I'm just trying to understand the rationale.  Software in general is a major investment in time and money, and as a result it usually doesn't get developed unless there is an identified need first.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

Crayton Benner <craybay3198@...>
 

Yes. That's a good use for that. 




On Thursday, May 27, 2021, 17:53, William James <wil@...> wrote:

One case I can think of right off the bat is tech support.  Let’s say someone has a computer that is not responding or they have a setting that got tweaked.  A totally blind person could remote in using a Bluetooth keyboard with the iDevice and troubleshoot the issue.

 

I’m sure more folks will have better explanations than mine.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 5:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)

 

This is a serious question, and not meant to be taken as snarky:  What need is this addressing?

Since NVDA (and JAWS, for that matter) are PC platform only software, I can't imagine what the benefit of trying to control it from the iOS platform would be.  I can't even figure out what the UI for NVDA Remote under iOS would be.

Since there seems to be enthusiasm, I ask those who have it to enlighten me.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 

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