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Re: How to get NVDA speak a word

 

Brian, I do not know how to go to the .dic files in order to send them
to you, but on your suggestion I fixed it myself by going to
punctuation/symbol Pronunciation and voila got fixed.
Thank you so much and to all who chipped in to help.

On 3/29/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 11:02 AM, Nevzat Adil wrote:


Gene, reading your message my synthesizer read the extra letter 't' but
not the word 'dot'.
-
I'd missed this earlier, but this pretty much conclusively confirms that
somehow, somewhere, the word 'dot' is being substituted with nothing (that
is, the replacement is blank) somewhere in your dictionary, and ahead of the
rule that replaces dot with dott.

You need to examine your dictionary or dictionaries very carefully.  If you
care to e-mail me a copy of the .DIC files that NVDA is using on the system
not saying the word dot, I will gladly take a look at them.
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Re: Excel: Stop Saying "Formula Bar"

 

I can't find a darned thing in Settings that seems to be related to this.

For starters, try:  The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues

If none of those steps fix the issue, then report back.
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Re: Excel: Stop Saying "Formula Bar"

 

Pele,

          Sorry, I confused your original message with another, and I see you've given the Windows and Excel versions.  I can't explain why you'd be hearing "formula bar" all the time, at least not yet.

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Re: Excel: Stop Saying "Formula Bar"

 

On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 12:58 PM, Pele West wrote:
every time I write to a cell.
-
I want to be absolutely clear, NVDA is saying this to you even when what you are writing in that cell is not a formula?  It's not telling me this even when I am entering a formula.

Also, it's important to know what versions of both Excel and NVDA you are using, and if it's not Windows 10 you're using, what Windows version, too.
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Re: Excel: Stop Saying "Formula Bar"

Pele West
 

Hi Brian

Thanks for writing.

I also want NVDA to tell me that I am writing a formula in the Formula Bar, but NVDA says "Formula Bar" every time I write to a cell.

Pele West


Re: Excel: Stop Saying "Formula Bar"

 

On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 12:37 PM, Pele West wrote:
Is there a setting to stop NVDA saying "Formula Bar" every time I type in a cell in Excel?
-
What are you typing?

If it is indeed a formula, this is NVDA's way of letting you know that Excel has caught that fact and the cell formula is being entered in the formula bar.

If it's just text, or a number, or something else then you shouldn't hear that announcement, as a formula has not been detected.

I know of no way to turn that off and, for myself, would not want to.
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Excel: Stop Saying "Formula Bar"

Pele West
 

Hi Everyone

I am using Windows 10, the latest version of NVDA and MSOffice 2016.

Is there a setting to stop NVDA saying "Formula Bar" every time I type in a cell in Excel?

Thanks

Pele


Re: How to get NVDA speak a word

 

On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 11:02 AM, Nevzat Adil wrote:
Gene, reading your message my synthesizer read the extra letter 't' but not the word 'dot'.
-
I'd missed this earlier, but this pretty much conclusively confirms that somehow, somewhere, the word 'dot' is being substituted with nothing (that is, the replacement is blank) somewhere in your dictionary, and ahead of the rule that replaces dot with dott.

You need to examine your dictionary or dictionaries very carefully.  If you care to e-mail me a copy of the .DIC files that NVDA is using on the system not saying the word dot, I will gladly take a look at them.
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Re: How to get NVDA speak a word

 

Now, to my embarrassment, I see that it was Tyler Spivey, not Luke Davis, who went through the whole "how does the dictionary process" thing a few days ago.

Nonetheless, I owe great thanks to Messrs. Spivey, Davis, and Christensen when it comes to "deep dives into the bowels of NVDA" over many occasions, and am offering same, again, now.
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Re: How to get NVDA speak a word

 

On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 11:50 AM, Gene wrote:
I had wondered if making a second entry with dot in both fields would override the first entry, but it doesn't, so if I have both entries in the dictionary, that doesn't solve the problem.
-
It won't.  

This is a rehash of a question I asked months ago and that's now been answered two times, kindly, once by Quentin Christensen and once by Luke Davis.  When Quentin and I were having a "deep dive" discussion about dictionary processing, he sent me the following, which, given the nature of the content and it's being non-private and about NVDA dictionary processing, I'll post below:
-----
Dictionary entries are processed in order, and do continue, but based on the current, not original, text.  So I just tried setting up the following entries:
 
change "dog" to "cat"
change "12345" to "54321"
change "432" to "dog"
 
Encountering the text 12345 now, the first rule is skipped, since there is no "dog" in this text.
The text includes 12345 so it becomes 54321.
The third rule is then evaluated and the 432 in the current text is changed to dog.

So NVDA reads: 
 
5dog1
 
If the text read "dog 12345", it would be read as:
cat 5dog1.

I'm not sure if that's documented anywhere, and given that rule order is meaningful, there is no current way to reorder rules (I wrote the 12345 to 54321 and 432 to dog rules, and then thought to try adding dog to cat first, but had to delete the other two and write all three from scratch in the order I wanted them).
-----
 
Hence the reason I object to the dictionary processing not dropping out upon first match.  That result is insane, and it's something that no rational person would ever predict, and were something similar happening by accident rather than intent, be able to untangle.  But that's not relevant to the specific issue here.
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Re: How to get NVDA speak a word

Gene
 

I can cause dot not to be spoken with a dictionary entry with dot in the pattern field and a space in the pronounced as field.

I had wondered if making a second entry with dot in both fields would override the first entry, but it doesn't, so if I have both entries in the dictionary, that doesn't solve the problem.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to get NVDA speak a word

On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 11:15 AM, Gene wrote:
Dot isn't spoken if a dictionary entry is added using dot in the pronounced as field.-
So, are you saying you've actually replicated the original problem? If so, details please.

I can't get anything that has the word dot in it not to say dot when NVDA is reading.

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Re: How to get NVDA speak a word

Jackie
 

Nevzat, what synthesizer are you using?

On 3/29/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
I can get the word dot to be pronounced as such by using the regular
expression pattern:
*\bdot\b*
and the replacement string
*dawt*

One should not have to do this, but dawt is pronounced correctly.

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Re: How to get NVDA speak a word

 

I can get the word dot to be pronounced as such by using the regular expression pattern:
\bdot\b
and the replacement string
dawt

One should not have to do this, but dawt is pronounced correctly.

 
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Re: How to get NVDA speak a word

 

On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 11:15 AM, Gene wrote:
Dot isn't spoken if a dictionary entry is added using dot in the pronounced as field.
-
So, are you saying you've actually replicated the original problem?  If so, details please.

I can't get anything that has the word dot in it not to say dot when NVDA is reading.
 
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Re: How to get NVDA speak a word

Gene
 

I just tested my idea and it doesn't work. Dot isn't spoken if a dictionary entry is added using dot in the pronounced as field.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to get NVDA speak a word

As I thinnk about it, I think that's what a dictionary entry would do.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Nevzat Adil
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to get NVDA speak a word

Gene, reading your message my synthesizer read the extra letter 't'
but not the word 'dot'.

On 3/29/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
In the following message, I have misspelled the word dott to try to get your

synthesizer to say the word.

And looking at all entries in both the default dictionary and the voice
specific dictionary doesn't show an entry for dott? If not, I don't know
what the cause might be.

Whatever the possible cause, the easiest solution, if no dictionary entry is

present, might be to add an entry for dott. Create an entry for the word
dot, and for the replacement field, write the word dott, the same word you
write in the pattern field.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Nevzat Adil
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 9:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to get NVDA speak a word

I am talking about the word dot.

On 3/28/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
First, are you talking about the actual word dot,,, or are you talking
about

a period?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Nevzat Adil
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 6:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to get NVDA speak a word

Brian, I have done both of those.
My OS is Windows 10 and I use the latest edition of NVDA.
Where do I go to configure NVDA to speak the word 'dot'?

On 3/28/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
I am presuming you've already restarted NVDA and your computer. If not,
try
that.

If you have, then take a look at your NVDA dictionaries and, possibly,
your
synth. I have no issue with the word, "dot," being read when I've got
it

in
a sentence. I'm using NVDA 2020.4, OneCore David. I've got nothing, in
any
dictionary, that matches on the three characters of the word "dot" in
any
way, shape, or form.
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Re: How to get NVDA speak a word

Gene
 

As I thinnk about it, I think that's what a dictionary entry would do.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Nevzat Adil
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to get NVDA speak a word

Gene, reading your message my synthesizer read the extra letter 't'
but not the word 'dot'.

On 3/29/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
In the following message, I have misspelled the word dott to try to get your

synthesizer to say the word.

And looking at all entries in both the default dictionary and the voice
specific dictionary doesn't show an entry for dott? If not, I don't know
what the cause might be.

Whatever the possible cause, the easiest solution, if no dictionary entry is

present, might be to add an entry for dott. Create an entry for the word
dot, and for the replacement field, write the word dott, the same word you
write in the pattern field.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Nevzat Adil
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 9:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to get NVDA speak a word

I am talking about the word dot.

On 3/28/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
First, are you talking about the actual word dot,,, or are you talking
about

a period?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Nevzat Adil
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 6:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to get NVDA speak a word

Brian, I have done both of those.
My OS is Windows 10 and I use the latest edition of NVDA.
Where do I go to configure NVDA to speak the word 'dot'?

On 3/28/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
I am presuming you've already restarted NVDA and your computer. If not,
try
that.

If you have, then take a look at your NVDA dictionaries and, possibly,
your
synth. I have no issue with the word, "dot," being read when I've got
it

in
a sentence. I'm using NVDA 2020.4, OneCore David. I've got nothing, in
any
dictionary, that matches on the three characters of the word "dot" in
any
way, shape, or form.
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Re: How to get NVDA speak a word

 

Gene, reading your message my synthesizer read the extra letter 't'
but not the word 'dot'.

On 3/29/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
In the following message, I have misspelled the word dott to try to get your

synthesizer to say the word.

And looking at all entries in both the default dictionary and the voice
specific dictionary doesn't show an entry for dott? If not, I don't know
what the cause might be.

Whatever the possible cause, the easiest solution, if no dictionary entry is

present, might be to add an entry for dott. Create an entry for the word
dot, and for the replacement field, write the word dott, the same word you
write in the pattern field.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Nevzat Adil
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 9:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to get NVDA speak a word

I am talking about the word dot.

On 3/28/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
First, are you talking about the actual word dot,,, or are you talking
about

a period?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Nevzat Adil
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 6:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to get NVDA speak a word

Brian, I have done both of those.
My OS is Windows 10 and I use the latest edition of NVDA.
Where do I go to configure NVDA to speak the word 'dot'?

On 3/28/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
I am presuming you've already restarted NVDA and your computer. If not,
try
that.

If you have, then take a look at your NVDA dictionaries and, possibly,
your
synth. I have no issue with the word, "dot," being read when I've got
it

in
a sentence. I'm using NVDA 2020.4, OneCore David. I've got nothing, in
any
dictionary, that matches on the three characters of the word "dot" in
any
way, shape, or form.
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Re: How to get NVDA speak a word

Gene
 

In the following message, I have misspelled the word dott to try to get your synthesizer to say the word.

And looking at all entries in both the default dictionary and the voice specific dictionary doesn't show an entry for dott? If not, I don't know what the cause might be.

Whatever the possible cause, the easiest solution, if no dictionary entry is present, might be to add an entry for dott. Create an entry for the word dot, and for the replacement field, write the word dott, the same word you write in the pattern field.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Nevzat Adil
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 9:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to get NVDA speak a word

I am talking about the word dot.

On 3/28/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
First, are you talking about the actual word dot,,, or are you talking about

a period?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Nevzat Adil
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 6:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to get NVDA speak a word

Brian, I have done both of those.
My OS is Windows 10 and I use the latest edition of NVDA.
Where do I go to configure NVDA to speak the word 'dot'?

On 3/28/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
I am presuming you've already restarted NVDA and your computer. If not,
try
that.

If you have, then take a look at your NVDA dictionaries and, possibly,
your
synth. I have no issue with the word, "dot," being read when I've got it

in
a sentence. I'm using NVDA 2020.4, OneCore David. I've got nothing, in
any
dictionary, that matches on the three characters of the word "dot" in any
way, shape, or form.
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Re: How to get NVDA speak a word

 

Yes.

On 3/29/21, Nevzat Adil via groups.io <nevzatadil=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I am talking about the word dot.

On 3/28/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
First, are you talking about the actual word dot,,, or are you talking
about

a period?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Nevzat Adil
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 6:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to get NVDA speak a word

Brian, I have done both of those.
My OS is Windows 10 and I use the latest edition of NVDA.
Where do I go to configure NVDA to speak the word 'dot'?

On 3/28/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
I am presuming you've already restarted NVDA and your computer. If not,
try
that.

If you have, then take a look at your NVDA dictionaries and, possibly,
your
synth. I have no issue with the word, "dot," being read when I've got
it

in
a sentence. I'm using NVDA 2020.4, OneCore David. I've got nothing, in
any
dictionary, that matches on the three characters of the word "dot" in
any
way, shape, or form.
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Re: How to get NVDA speak a word

 

I am talking about the word dot.

On 3/28/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
First, are you talking about the actual word dot,,, or are you talking about

a period?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Nevzat Adil
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 6:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to get NVDA speak a word

Brian, I have done both of those.
My OS is Windows 10 and I use the latest edition of NVDA.
Where do I go to configure NVDA to speak the word 'dot'?

On 3/28/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
I am presuming you've already restarted NVDA and your computer. If not,
try
that.

If you have, then take a look at your NVDA dictionaries and, possibly,
your
synth. I have no issue with the word, "dot," being read when I've got it

in
a sentence. I'm using NVDA 2020.4, OneCore David. I've got nothing, in
any
dictionary, that matches on the three characters of the word "dot" in any
way, shape, or form.
--

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