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Re: Removing items from a table with NVDA

Gene
 

You said:
Actually, I can see them. I can't keep on the top of the message when
deleting something because well before deleting I have to select what I
want to delete. This makes me move from point to point in the message
I'm not saying you should stay at the top.  I'm saying you should delete in the standard way.  Move to the top because that's where the fields are.  Hold shift and down arrow through the fields, thus selecting each line.  Then delete.
 
You say you suspect you can write and not delete.  That is such illogical behavior that I am very skeptical.  You should either be able to do both or neither. 
 
Evidently, you are in a structure Thunderbird defines as a table but that should mean nothing in terms of working with it.  You aren't in browse mode, and people routinely edit their message bodies.  The screen-reader shouldn't be interacting with the text in any way since browse mode is not active.  Sometimes, tables are used for nothing but formatting and you should be able to move around and add or delete text. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 3:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Removing items from a table with NVDA

Gene,
Are you saying that when you forward a message and make sure you are at the top of the page, control home, that you don't see these fields? 
No, I'm not saying I can't see the fields.
Actually, I can see them. I can't keep on the top of the message when deleting something because well before deleting I have to select what I want to delete. This makes me move from point to point in the message anyway.

Also, if the place where you write messages is identified as a table, that suggests that browse mode may be on.
Actually, where I write, so to speak, isn't being identified as a table. The table starts on the forwarded message.
Things like the subject, date, from and to are all in a table, as NVDA reports it.
Also, I don't even have the option of turning it on or off. The command NVDA+Spacebar does absolutely nothing :(

And don't assume that when you are in a context where you expect to be able to write, that just because you hear table you can't.
I suspect I can write in this table, but I can't delete anything from it. This is becoming more and more weird.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Re: Removing items from a table with NVDA

 

Gene,
Are you saying that when you forward a message and make sure you are at the top of the page, control home, that you don't see these fields? 
No, I'm not saying I can't see the fields.
Actually, I can see them. I can't keep on the top of the message when deleting something because well before deleting I have to select what I want to delete. This makes me move from point to point in the message anyway.

Also, if the place where you write messages is identified as a table, that suggests that browse mode may be on.
Actually, where I write, so to speak, isn't being identified as a table. The table starts on the forwarded message.
Things like the subject, date, from and to are all in a table, as NVDA reports it.
Also, I don't even have the option of turning it on or off. The command NVDA+Spacebar does absolutely nothing :(

And don't assume that when you are in a context where you expect to be able to write, that just because you hear table you can't.
I suspect I can write in this table, but I can't delete anything from it. This is becoming more and more weird.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Re: Removing items from a table with NVDA

Gene
 

Also, if the place where you write messages is identified as a table, that suggests that browse mode may be on.  I don't know if that causes problems writing or deleting material in a Thunderbird message body edit field.  If it does, turn browse mode off, NVDA key space bar, when writing or editing a Thunderbird message, then turn it on again after you have finished.  it would probably be more convenient to do while still in the message before you send it. 
 
And don't assume that when you are in a context where you expect to be able to write, that just because you hear table you can't.  You expect to be able to write in a message forward or reply or edit field.  Try it before seeing if you can turn off browse mode.  If you can, you will save the annoyance or minor inefficiency of turning it off and on again for no reason. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 3:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Removing items from a table with NVDA

They are at the top of the message.  Delete them as you would delete any text from a message.  Are you saying that when you forward a message and make sure you are at the top of the page, control home, that you don't see these fields? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Removing items from a table with NVDA

Sarah and Brian,
Sorry. Actually I wrote this message half sleeping so to speak. I shouldn't have done it :P

Well let's describe it better now.
I'm still trying to edit Thunderbird forwarded messages before sending them (you may remember when I first asked about it).
I don't know, exactly, what I want to remove. But if it helps I want to be able to edit the message removing fields such as "from", "to" etc.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Re: Removing items from a table with NVDA

Gene
 

They are at the top of the message.  Delete them as you would delete any text from a message.  Are you saying that when you forward a message and make sure you are at the top of the page, control home, that you don't see these fields? 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Removing items from a table with NVDA

Sarah and Brian,
Sorry. Actually I wrote this message half sleeping so to speak. I shouldn't have done it :P

Well let's describe it better now.
I'm still trying to edit Thunderbird forwarded messages before sending them (you may remember when I first asked about it).
I don't know, exactly, what I want to remove. But if it helps I want to be able to edit the message removing fields such as "from", "to" etc.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

Sent from a galaxy far, far away.

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Re: Removing items from a table with NVDA

 

Sarah and Brian,
Sorry. Actually I wrote this message half sleeping so to speak. I shouldn't have done it :P

Well let's describe it better now.
I'm still trying to edit Thunderbird forwarded messages before sending them (you may remember when I first asked about it).
I don't know, exactly, what I want to remove. But if it helps I want to be able to edit the message removing fields such as "from", "to" etc.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

Sent from a galaxy far, far away.

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Re: Extracting Text From Image in Word

Desert Moon
 

Hello,

Consider OneNote. It has built-in OCR and it is free. If you have Windows 10 or Office suite, OneNote is already there. If you have Windows 7, you can download OneNote here:

https://www.onenote.com/download

1. Open the book-share Word file.
2. Select an image and copy it to the clipboard.
3. Open OneNote
4. Paste the image from clipboard. OneNote will automatically perform OCR on that image.
5. Right-click on that same image and select "copy texts from picture". The OCR'ed texts will be sent to the clipboard.
6. Open a blank Word document.
7. Press Ctrl + V to paste the texts there. Now, you should be able to use NVDA to read all the texts.

Note that if the texts in the image are poorly legible or have poor colour contrast, don't expect OneNote to produce good OCR result.



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Re: Removing items from a table with NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

Lol. You already know what I'm going to ask.

What program are you using to edit this table and what version of said program if applicable.

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On 28 May 2019, at 22:13, Marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi,
So, is there a way of removing an item from a table using NVDA?
That is, I have a table. I want to select an item from this table and remove it - in other words, edit the table.

Thanks a lot.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Re: Has anyone else noticed a change in the behavior of Focus Highlight?

 

Well, the behavior isn't "more straightforward" in mine, nor does it match the behavior stated in the documentation, and I quote:  
  • Blue thick dotted line rectangle indicates NVDA is in focus mode, i.e., key types are passed to the control.
Unless text input is permitted (key types) in a form field or similar, key presses are not passed anywhere.  In File Explorer, when traversing the files/folders list, each and every file/folder is shown with the blue thick dotted outline, even when one is not in rename [or initial naming] mode, which is the only time one is in focus mode when it comes to files/folders.

Even in Windows parlance, one is browsing in File Explorer when looking for a file.   As far as I'm concerned, the visual presentation should be a direct indicator of what you are doing at that moment, and the blue dashed outline is completely misleading in the vast majority of circumstances where it now appears.

What it comes down to is if it isn't an editable text field of some sort then you're not really in focus mode as shown by the blue dotted line.


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Re: Removing items from a table with NVDA

 

It would help to know if you're talking about a table in Word, an HTML editor, etc.

It would also help to know if you mean editing the table structure (e.g., removing a row or column) versus cell contents (which I doubt, but it never hurts to get clarity).
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locked Re: Java Access Bridge and Jaws

 

On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 02:12 AM, mattias wrote:
Why should all people here hate cracked software?
      I'll tell you why:

               1.  It's theft.
               2.  It's illegal.
               3.  It does nothing to further development of a tool you've chosen to use.
               4.  Companies can, do, and have come after venues such as this one that allow its use to be encouraged.

I had hoped that my initial redirect would have brought this topic to a close, as it is not on-topic for an NVDA forum.  It's now locked.
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Re: Miranda ND

Ján Kulik
 

Hi, it is true that NVDA supports this, but I still do not understand why NVDA does not automatically report Facebook only to users without ever having to switch to the system tray to see who is Onlyne. I'll try to contact developers as the client actually configured it. But I don't know how many users it uses with screen readers.


locked Re: Java Access Bridge and Jaws

mattias
 

To answer raha

32 or 64 bit jaws and java?

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 

Från: Angelo Sonnesso
Skickat: den 29 maj 2019 04:14
Till: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Ämne: Re: [nvda] Java Access Bridge and Jaws

 

You have  cracked version of Jaws and you want us to help you?

This could be a real problem.

 

73 N2DYN Angelo

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Raha

Tehrani

Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 4:33 PM

To: bhp; nvda; win10@win10.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Java Access Bridge and Jaws

 

Hi there.

as I was using Jaws 2018.1712, I came across something pretty strange.

Jaws couldn't recognize Java access Bridge at all. I did everything and

installed it correctly. but as I hit Java control panel in my Control panel,

it wasn't able to recognize and support the window.

simultaneously, there was nothing wrong with NVDA. it could easily recognize

the JAB. then, I had access to another cracked version of Jaws 2018, and

fortunately, it solved the problem. as I went ahead and updated my windows to

version 1903 and Jaws to that of 2019 March update. unfortunately, the same

problem took place again. I updated Jaws 2019 to April version. but the same

problem was still there. I should also mention that I had updated Java to the

latest version before I updated my windows 10 to version 1903. just like

before, there's no problem with NVDA 2019.1.1, it can easily recognize Java

access bridge. but Jaws can't. It does seem strange to me. I'll be grateful,

if you share your great and useful experiences with me.

all the best.

Take care.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


locked Re: Java Access Bridge and Jaws

mattias
 

Why should all people here hate cracked software?

So you have Money for all software

Good for you, but not all people have

Yes angelo i meen you

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 

Från: Angelo Sonnesso
Skickat: den 29 maj 2019 04:14
Till: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Ämne: Re: [nvda] Java Access Bridge and Jaws

 

You have  cracked version of Jaws and you want us to help you?

This could be a real problem.

 

73 N2DYN Angelo

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Raha

Tehrani

Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 4:33 PM

To: bhp; nvda; win10@win10.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Java Access Bridge and Jaws

 

Hi there.

as I was using Jaws 2018.1712, I came across something pretty strange.

Jaws couldn't recognize Java access Bridge at all. I did everything and

installed it correctly. but as I hit Java control panel in my Control panel,

it wasn't able to recognize and support the window.

simultaneously, there was nothing wrong with NVDA. it could easily recognize

the JAB. then, I had access to another cracked version of Jaws 2018, and

fortunately, it solved the problem. as I went ahead and updated my windows to

version 1903 and Jaws to that of 2019 March update. unfortunately, the same

problem took place again. I updated Jaws 2019 to April version. but the same

problem was still there. I should also mention that I had updated Java to the

latest version before I updated my windows 10 to version 1903. just like

before, there's no problem with NVDA 2019.1.1, it can easily recognize Java

access bridge. but Jaws can't. It does seem strange to me. I'll be grateful,

if you share your great and useful experiences with me.

all the best.

Take care.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Removing items from a table with NVDA

 

Hi,
So, is there a way of removing an item from a table using NVDA?
That is, I have a table. I want to select an item from this table and remove it - in other words, edit the table.

Thanks a lot.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

Sent from a galaxy far, far away.

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Re: nvdaremote on a windows vps

mattias
 

on win10 yes

Den 2019-05-29 kl. 01:23, skrev luke scholey:

And do you get the announcement of sending keys?
Luke

On 28 May 2019, at 19:38, mattias <mjonsson1986@gmail.com> wrote:

on the server when connected to nvdaremote.com

there is a short and a longer beep

Den 2019-05-28 kl. 20:29, skrev luke scholey:
Sorry, I was talking about hosting my own remote server when talking about the firewall - I wasn't clear there.

With the addon, you can have any machine that the addon is installed on act as a remote gateway. I'll just point out that there's no need to do this, the nvdaremote.com server is fine, that's just my setup. Have you read the documentation on the nvdaremote.com site? Do you hear the beeps that indicate a successful connection?
Luke

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of mattias
Sent: 28 May 2019 18:40
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvdaremote on a windows vps

nvdaremote addon dont have a local server

or?

i thinked if you use the nvdaremoet.com you dont need to setup firewall rules?

Den 2019-05-28 kl. 19:03, skrev luke scholey:
I didn’t use nvdaremlote.com, I just had the local server host the remote service. I’d need a few more details, your set up of firewalls for example, if you wanted any further help with this. If nobody else has any comments you could email me off list so we’re not cluttering it up.


Luke

On 28 May 2019, at 17:41, mattias <mjonsson1986@gmail.com> wrote:

luke if you have it working

how do you do?

i have do as follow

as host in both win10 and server 2016:

nvdaremote.com

and set a key

try to connect from win10 to nvdaremote.com and entered my key

and press f12 to send keys to the vps

nothing


Den 2019-05-28 kl. 18:27, skrev luke scholey:
Yes, works perfectly
Luke

On 28 May 2019, at 17:24, mattias <mjonsson1986@gmail.com> wrote:

have anyone get nvdaremote to work on a vps?

e.g from a windows 10 machine

e.g

you have a vps with windows server 2016

you install nvda with the nvdaremote addon

and you connect to it with the windows 10 computer with nvda

good luck to do it annyway







locked Re: Java Access Bridge and Jaws

Angelo Sonnesso
 

You have cracked version of Jaws and you want us to help you?
This could be a real problem.

73 N2DYN Angelo

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Raha
Tehrani
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 4:33 PM
To: bhp; nvda; win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Java Access Bridge and Jaws

Hi there.
as I was using Jaws 2018.1712, I came across something pretty strange.
Jaws couldn't recognize Java access Bridge at all. I did everything and
installed it correctly. but as I hit Java control panel in my Control panel,
it wasn't able to recognize and support the window.
simultaneously, there was nothing wrong with NVDA. it could easily recognize
the JAB. then, I had access to another cracked version of Jaws 2018, and
fortunately, it solved the problem. as I went ahead and updated my windows to
version 1903 and Jaws to that of 2019 March update. unfortunately, the same
problem took place again. I updated Jaws 2019 to April version. but the same
problem was still there. I should also mention that I had updated Java to the
latest version before I updated my windows 10 to version 1903. just like
before, there's no problem with NVDA 2019.1.1, it can easily recognize Java
access bridge. but Jaws can't. It does seem strange to me. I'll be grateful,
if you share your great and useful experiences with me.
all the best.
Take care.


Re: Style-based section numbers in MS Word

Quentin Christensen
 

What changes have you made to your proofreading profiles?
I just tried now and I could read the number associated with the style, even with a manually activated profile.

Also, are you using any add-ons?

I can't think what else it might be.

Quentin.

On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 10:36 AM Ed Marquette <marquette.ed@...> wrote:
I’m trying to figure out what is going on.  We use style-based numbering, meaning that different levels produce automatic numbering (like statutes with subsections, paragraphs, and sub paragraphs).  NVDA reads these fine with the “Normal” configuration file, but when either the proofing configuration file or the heavy duty proofing configuration file I created are used, although the style level is properly read out, the actual paragraph numbers are not read.  This occurs in MS Word 2013.
Any ideas?





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Style-based section numbers in MS Word

Ed Marquette
 

I’m trying to figure out what is going on. We use style-based numbering, meaning that different levels produce automatic numbering (like statutes with subsections, paragraphs, and sub paragraphs). NVDA reads these fine with the “Normal” configuration file, but when either the proofing configuration file or the heavy duty proofing configuration file I created are used, although the style level is properly read out, the actual paragraph numbers are not read. This occurs in MS Word 2013.
Any ideas?


Re: Has anyone else noticed a change in the behavior of Focus Highlight?

Takuya Nishimoto
 

Focus Highlight is changed in version 6.0, to address the issue with
NVDA 2019.2.

https://github.com/nvdajp/focusHighlight/issues/13

I understand it is confusing for the users of previous versions,
however, the new behavior is more straightforward and consistent, in
my opinion.

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2019年5月29日(水) 8:32 Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org>:


If you disable focus highlight, does everything still automatically go to focus mode?

I just had a quick look and it seems fine here, although I realised when you mentioned you are using v6, that I am using v5.6.

On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 12:13 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

Or, perhaps more accurately, have your sighted assistant(s), as we're the ones that rely on this add-on. It could be an NVDA change, too

Up until very recently, virtually everything generally defaulted to being in browse mode when I opened it, generally with the "thick red line" which indicates that you're in browse mode and the navigator object and focus object are one and the same. This was particularly true when I landed on File Explorer (as a whole) and items in the list which I display using Details View. It was also generally true in many other places.

For the last few days, everything seems to be opening in focus mode that used to be opening in browse mode, and what's weirder is I can't get the mode to toggle. I was trying to play with doing a multi-file select with individual files in File Explorer, and could not get NVDA+space to shift me back to focus mode so I could select, move along then CTRL+select (spacebar), etc.

Even the buttons in dialogs are shown as being in focus mode when I land on them, e.g., the Winver Close button.

I am running Windows 10, Version 1809, Build 17763.529 and NVDA 2019.1.1 and Focus Highlight 6.0. This is really peculiar, and definitely not what I've been used to.
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Re: how do you access screen notifications with NVDA?

Sarah k Alawami
 

I remember windows 8. All I can say is, yuck! I didn't use nvda at the time so can't speak to that, but yeah. Yuck city.

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On 28 May 2019, at 16:25, Gene wrote:

If they had, they wouldn't have made so many people annoyed or angry.  Windows 8 was a poorly designed version of Windows that few people liked. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how do you access screen notifications with NVDA?

I didn't think there ever was a released version of Windows eight - Microsoft
went directly from Windows 7 to Windows 10 - or am I missing something here?

Antony.

On Wednesday 29 May 2019 at 01:00:13, Cecelia Rodriguez wrote:

> Old windows eight
>
> > On May 26, 2019, at 7:45 PM, Ibrahim Abedrabbo wrote:
> >
> > Hello folks,
> > How does one access the notifications that suddenly flash on the screen
> > asking you to do something, like to check a setting, or to do an update
> > or to check some application suggestions, etc…? I am using windows ten
> > home addition with the latest version of NVDA. I think in windows seven
> > it used to be called hot balloons. Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Ibrahim Ali

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