Yes, it is named "Māori"...
I do not have any idea about quality...

However, having a synth, it is interessant to have a NVDA translation...

Rui Fontes


Às 11:39 de 27/03/2019, Mohamed escreveu:

I think ESpeak has support for the language, not sure if it's any good, though.

On 3/26/2019 3:35 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi Brian


The language pack for Windows does the language but does not have a text to speech voice. I just checked for that.


he did also mention that the HAL screen reader had a synth in it for there language but not sure from how long ago it was and if it was a hardware synth/voice or a software synth/voice. he is going to do some digging to see if he can track it down and or if it can be used if still around and not copyrighted unless it is by Hal.

I also said if it used sapi 4 or 5 voices etc and could be installed into windows it would be able to be used by other screen readers as well depending how they go about it.


He will either look into funding as well say either for a synth to be made for there language or translating the interface into there language. Or he might do the translating him self as he writes and speakes it as well.

it might be some thing the government might fund so it can be done? We will see what happens.


The other thing i did as well  is pointed him towards the e speak website and gave him directions etc of if he wants to have a go at making a e speak voice for there language and how to test it etc. I also pointed him towards the tweaky voice that he could print out or have it read and as you know it points towards the website i am guessing the project is still running as i see updates in nvda for it.

It has given him some food for thought to get started and see where it goes.



Yes it is for New Zealand and is a official language next to english here hince Gene nz been for the country.


Gene from New Zealand


On 26/03/2019 9:32 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Also of course all the prompts in the screenreader and  often add ons would need to be translated as well.
I think as has been said, it might not be worth it if no synth supports it. I'm guessing this is New Zealand then or one of the small  island clusters in that area?

Does Windows support it?
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I would have to ask him. I know there used to be a synth for there language maybe he would know. Is it better for him to have a synth for there language instead of translating the user manual etc into there language? It is new to me and probably him as well.

Even the steps he would have to take.


I did find the wicki page on translating and sent that back to him while i find out more information from both sides.


They might even be able to get funding to cover translating nvda and or the synth. I will know more when he gets back to me.



Gene nz


On 26/03/2019 1:03 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
And it worth the effort do not having a mahori synth?

Rui Fontes


Às 23:39 de 25/03/2019, hurrikennyandopo ... escreveu:
hi guys


I know there are translators on this list and i have been asked about having a Te Reo Māori option  in NVDA.



I only speak English but i have been contacted by a person who speaks the above language  and can translate it into there language.


I am wondering how much is involved? I am guessing the whole user manual would have to be translated along with maybe quick reference and whats new?


What program would they have to use? Is there a easy way to do it? How would i start and also we would be new to try and do this for NVDA.


The above language is recognized in our country along side of english and sign language.


We are not programmers so it would be a matter of starting from scratch doing this.


I just hope it does not scare us off translating it into there language.


I am wondering also  if it was just the user manual etc or the synth? as well. They might be able to get funding to do this?


any help would be great.


Gene nz


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I also use QCast.  Well worth the money I paid and it is simple to use.

ian Westerland






On 3/27/2019 7:50 PM, David Moore wrote:

Hi!

qCast is a really good pod catcher!

It only costs a few dollars, but is so worth it.

All you have to do is type in a search term, and it will bring up a huge list of podcasts to choose from.

I just love it.

I also use the accessible pod cast from Web IE as well.

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On 26/03/2019 23:49, Matt Turner wrote:

    Hi folks.

    Anyone have any good ideas?

    I don't want to use Itunes for podcast.



Hi,

I use Sharp Reader.

There are hot keys:-

F6 - Flag, folder title

F7 - Shows titles within a feed

F8 - allows you to see links including URL - Press Jaws key (NPD0) and tab moves straight to the URL link

Press context menu; you can sort by name, etc.

The other one I use is Accessible Podcaster from Web IE.

No thank you :)  It's good to get the background.  Of course the other command you can use if you just want to hear everything in the whole document is to press NVDA+down arrow or in laptop keyboard layout NVDA+a, which reads all from the current point onward.  (So to read from the top, press control+home to move to the top then NVDA+down arrow / NVDA+a).

You likely already knew that, but I don't like to assume, just in case :)

Quentin.

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 10:03 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Quentin,
Actually, the story is like that:
Quite a while ago I noticed that somehow, sometimes my keyboard could press some unknown (at least until yesterday) key and then NVDA would read an entire line (or paragraph, like it seems to be called) without actually breaking it.
You know, when a line is bigger than NVDA can handle at once, then that thing of having to press down arrow to keep reading.
Always wondered which key would be this one that would give me heaven and hell at the same time since sometimes this was a really wanted behavior so that I could read something faster and on another ones I just wanted NVDA (or my keyboard) to leave me alone without forcing me to read an entire line (paragraph) at once.
As yesterday I had more than enough free time to test it I kept pressing key by key plus the down arrow to find out which combination would give me the forementioned behavior.
So, this is the whole story for when and how I found it out.
Then I was just curious because after finding this combo I looked through all the places I could think of to see if I could find the description of this command, but of course I didn't find anything since it isn't an NVDA- specific thing.
I haven't tried it on Notepad thus far though, so there's another thing I never knew - that it couldn't be used there.
Well that's it :)
I know this is way way longer than I'm used to write but since you wanted to hear a bit more from this funny story I just took the liberty of letting my fingers type all of this.

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Em 27/03/2019 07:38, Quentin Christensen disse:

That's ok Marcio,

Though I am still curious which lines you couldn't read fully with one command before you found this keystroke?

Quentin.

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 9:23 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Quentin,
Actually, I'm not having any problem. I just found this option (read by paragraph) and never knew it was a Windows one.
Sorry for causing worries unnecessarily. I was just curious :)

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Em 26/03/2019 21:12, Quentin Christensen disse:

As noted, CONTROL+DOWN ARROW is a Windows command, and in most places it moves down by one paragraph.  Additionally, as you move, NVDA reads a corresponding amount of text - if you move by one word (control+right arrow, also a Windows command), NVDA reads one word, if you move down by one line, NVDA reads one line, etc.

My question to Marcio is to ask what program / kind of file are you reading where you are having trouble reading by line to begin with?  Pressing NVDA+up arrow (or in laptop layout, NVDA+l) should read the current line.  On web pages, it's harder to find out exactly what text is visually on one line, so NVDA sets the maximum line length, and if a block of text is longer than that, it assumes each N characters is a new "line".  You can find the option in NVDA's browse mode settings - NVDA+control+b will get you there directly.

There is also an option in Browse mode settings "Use screen layout (when supported)".  I've just copied from the user guide here:

"Use screen layout

Key: NVDA+v

This option allows you to specify whether content in browse mode should place content such as links and other fields on their own line, or if it should keep them in the flow of text as it is visually shown. If the option is enabled then things will stay as they are visually shown, but if it is disabled then fields will be placed on their own line."

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 3:16 AM Dang Manh Cuong <dangmanhcuong@...> wrote:

Hi Marcio
That were keystrokes from Windows, not from NVDA, so I thikn it doesn not explained in NVDA user guide or key command. It should be found in matireals about basic computer skill.
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It helped a lot!
Now, is that described on the keystrokes' reference? I couldn't find it no matter where I could look for.

Thanks :)

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Em 26/03/2019 05:28, Dang Manh Cuong disse:



Hi Marcio
Ctrl+down arrow is to move the focus to the next paragraph, and Ctrl+up arrow will move to previous paragraph. When focus move to new line, NVDA always read that line/
Hope that help
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Hey guys, I'm here again :)
This time the question is about... well you saw it on the subject I suppose :)
So, the thing is: I found out that pressing CTRL along with the down arrow, NVDA will read the entire line from a text, regardless if that line is broken for some reason.
However, while I just found it out, I also found out that apparently, this  option isn't described on the NVDA's keystrokes refference.
So my question: is it actually something expected, that pressing CTRL+down arrow NVDA will read the entire line? If so, why isn't it described as an option?
Or, well, what would I be missing? Can anyone point me on the right direction? :)

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I think ESpeak has support for the language, not sure if it's any good, though.
On 3/26/2019 3:35 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi Brian


The language pack for Windows does the language but does not have a text to speech voice. I just checked for that.


he did also mention that the HAL screen reader had a synth in it for there language but not sure from how long ago it was and if it was a hardware synth/voice or a software synth/voice. he is going to do some digging to see if he can track it down and or if it can be used if still around and not copyrighted unless it is by Hal.

I also said if it used sapi 4 or 5 voices etc and could be installed into windows it would be able to be used by other screen readers as well depending how they go about it.


He will either look into funding as well say either for a synth to be made for there language or translating the interface into there language. Or he might do the translating him self as he writes and speakes it as well.

it might be some thing the government might fund so it can be done? We will see what happens.


The other thing i did as well  is pointed him towards the e speak website and gave him directions etc of if he wants to have a go at making a e speak voice for there language and how to test it etc. I also pointed him towards the tweaky voice that he could print out or have it read and as you know it points towards the website i am guessing the project is still running as i see updates in nvda for it.

It has given him some food for thought to get started and see where it goes.



Yes it is for New Zealand and is a official language next to english here hince Gene nz been for the country.


Gene from New Zealand


On 26/03/2019 9:32 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Also of course all the prompts in the  screenreader and  often add ons would need to be translated as well.
I think as has been said, it might not be worth it if no synth supports it. I'm guessing this is New Zealand then or one of the small  island clusters in that area?

Does Windows support it?
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Hi


I would have to ask him. I know there used to be a synth for there language maybe he would know. Is it better for him to have a synth for there language instead of translating the user manual etc into there language? It is new to me and probably him as well.

Even the steps he would have to take.


I did find the wicki page on translating and sent that back to him while i find out more information from both sides.


They might even be able to get funding to cover translating nvda and or the synth. I will know more when he gets back to me.



Gene nz


On 26/03/2019 1:03 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
And it worth the effort do not having a mahori synth?

Rui Fontes


Às 23:39 de 25/03/2019, hurrikennyandopo ... escreveu:
hi guys


I know there are translators on this list and i have been asked about having a Te Reo Māori option  in NVDA.



I only speak English but i have been contacted by a person who speaks the above language  and can translate it into there language.


I am wondering how much is involved? I am guessing the whole user manual would have to be translated along with maybe quick reference and whats new?


What program would they have to use? Is there a easy way to do it? How would i start and also we would be new to try and do this for NVDA.


The above language is recognized in our country along side of english and sign language.


We are not programmers so it would be a matter of starting from scratch doing this.


I just hope it does not scare us off translating it into there language.


I am wondering also  if it was just the user manual etc or the synth? as well. They might be able to get funding to do this?


any help would be great.


Gene nz


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Hi Brian

The language pack for Windows does the language but does not have a text to speech voice. I just checked for that.

he did also mention that the HAL screen reader had a synth in it for there language but not sure from how long ago it was and if it was a hardware synth/voice or a software synth/voice. he is going to do some digging to see if he can track it down and or if it can be used if still around and not copyrighted unless it is by Hal.

I also said if it used sapi 4 or 5 voices etc and could be installed into windows it would be able to be used by other screen readers as well depending how they go about it.

He will either look into funding as well say either for a synth to be made for there language or translating the interface into there language. Or he might do the translating him self as he writes and speakes it as well.

it might be some thing the government might fund so it can be done? We will see what happens.

The other thing i did as well  is pointed him towards the e speak website and gave him directions etc of if he wants to have a go at making a e speak voice for there language and how to test it etc. I also pointed him towards the tweaky voice that he could print out or have it read and as you know it points towards the website i am guessing the project is still running as i see updates in nvda for it.

It has given him some food for thought to get started and see where it goes.

Yes it is for New Zealand and is a official language next to english here hince Gene nz been for the country.

Gene from New Zealand

On 26/03/2019 9:32 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Also of course all the prompts in the  screenreader and  often add ons would need to be translated as well.
I think as has been said, it might not be worth it if no synth supports it. I'm guessing this is New Zealand then or one of the small  island clusters in that area?

Does Windows support it?
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I would have to ask him. I know there used to be a synth for there language maybe he would know. Is it better for him to have a synth for there language instead of translating the user manual etc into there language? It is new to me and probably him as well.

Even the steps he would have to take.


I did find the wicki page on translating and sent that back to him while i find out more information from both sides.


They might even be able to get funding to cover translating nvda and or the synth. I will know more when he gets back to me.



Gene nz


On 26/03/2019 1:03 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
And it worth the effort do not having a mahori synth?

Rui Fontes


Às 23:39 de 25/03/2019, hurrikennyandopo ... escreveu:
hi guys


I know there are translators on this list and i have been asked about having a Te Reo Māori option  in NVDA.



I only speak English but i have been contacted by a person who speaks the above language  and can translate it into there language.


I am wondering how much is involved? I am guessing the whole user manual would have to be translated along with maybe quick reference and whats new?


What program would they have to use? Is there a easy way to do it? How would i start and also we would be new to try and do this for NVDA.


The above language is recognized in our country along side of english and sign language.


We are not programmers so it would be a matter of starting from scratch doing this.


I just hope it does not scare us off translating it into there language.


I am wondering also  if it was just the user manual etc or the synth? as well. They might be able to get funding to do this?


any help would be great.


Gene nz


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Image NVDA certified expert
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following linkhttp://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following linkhttp://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/

To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.





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[Image NVDA          certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/

To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 
To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

That's ok Marcio,

Though I am still curious which lines you couldn't read fully with one command before you found this keystroke?

Quentin.

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 9:23 PM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Quentin,
Actually, I'm not having any problem. I just found this option (read by paragraph) and never knew it was a Windows one.
Sorry for causing worries unnecessarily. I was just curious :)

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy
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Em 26/03/2019 21:12, Quentin Christensen disse:

As noted, CONTROL+DOWN ARROW is a Windows command, and in most places it moves down by one paragraph.  Additionally, as you move, NVDA reads a corresponding amount of text - if you move by one word (control+right arrow, also a Windows command), NVDA reads one word, if you move down by one line, NVDA reads one line, etc.

My question to Marcio is to ask what program / kind of file are you reading where you are having trouble reading by line to begin with?  Pressing NVDA+up arrow (or in laptop layout, NVDA+l) should read the current line.  On web pages, it's harder to find out exactly what text is visually on one line, so NVDA sets the maximum line length, and if a block of text is longer than that, it assumes each N characters is a new "line".  You can find the option in NVDA's browse mode settings - NVDA+control+b will get you there directly.

There is also an option in Browse mode settings "Use screen layout (when supported)".  I've just copied from the user guide here:

"Use screen layout

Key: NVDA+v

This option allows you to specify whether content in browse mode should place content such as links and other fields on their own line, or if it should keep them in the flow of text as it is visually shown. If the option is enabled then things will stay as they are visually shown, but if it is disabled then fields will be placed on their own line."

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 3:16 AM Dang Manh Cuong <dangmanhcuong@...> wrote:

Hi Marcio
That were keystrokes from Windows, not from NVDA, so I thikn it doesn not explained in NVDA user guide or key command. It should be found in matireals about basic computer skill.
Cuong

----------------
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 The Assistive technology specialist
 Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
52/22 Huynh Thien Loc St., Hoa Thanh ward, Tan Phu dist., HCM, Vietnam.
 Tel: +8428 7302-4488
 E-mail: info@...; tech@...
 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/saomaicenterfortheblind
 Website: http://www.trungtamsaomai.org; http://www.saomaicenter.org
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----- Original Message -----

From: marcio via Groups.Io

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 5:11 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about reading an entire line with NVDA

It helped a lot!
Now, is that described on the keystrokes' reference? I couldn't find it no matter where I could look for.

Thanks :)

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy
Follow or add me on Facebook

Em 26/03/2019 05:28, Dang Manh Cuong disse:



Hi Marcio
Ctrl+down arrow is to move the focus to the next paragraph, and Ctrl+up arrow will move to previous paragraph. When focus move to new line, NVDA always read that line/
Hope that help
Cuong

----------------
Dang Manh Cuong
 The Assistive technology specialist
 Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
52/22 Huynh Thien Loc St., Hoa Thanh ward, Tan Phu dist., HCM, Vietnam.
 Tel: +8428 7302-4488
 E-mail: info@...; tech@...
 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/saomaicenterfortheblind
 Website: http://www.trungtamsaomai.org; http://www.saomaicenter.org
Mobile / Viber / WhatsApp / Zalo: +84 902-572-300
 E-mail: dangmanhcuong@...; cuong@...
 Skype name: dangmanhcuong
 facebook: http://facebook.com/dangmanhcuong
 Twitter: @ManhCuongTech
NVDA Certified Expert: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

----- Original Message -----

From: marcio via Groups.Io

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 3:20 PM

Subject: [nvda] Question about reading an entire line with NVDA

Hey guys, I'm here again :)
This time the question is about... well you saw it on the subject I suppose :)
So, the thing is: I found out that pressing CTRL along with the down arrow, NVDA will read the entire line from a text, regardless if that line is broken for some reason.
However, while I just found it out, I also found out that apparently, this  option isn't described on the NVDA's keystrokes refference.
So my question: is it actually something expected, that pressing CTRL+down arrow NVDA will read the entire line? If so, why isn't it described as an option?
Or, well, what would I be missing? Can anyone point me on the right direction? :)

Cheers,

Marcio AKA Starboy
Follow or add me on Facebook

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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

--

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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

As noted, CONTROL+DOWN ARROW is a Windows command, and in most places it moves down by one paragraph.  Additionally, as you move, NVDA reads a corresponding amount of text - if you move by one word (control+right arrow, also a Windows command), NVDA reads one word, if you move down by one line, NVDA reads one line, etc.

My question to Marcio is to ask what program / kind of file are you reading where you are having trouble reading by line to begin with?  Pressing NVDA+up arrow (or in laptop layout, NVDA+l) should read the current line.  On web pages, it's harder to find out exactly what text is visually on one line, so NVDA sets the maximum line length, and if a block of text is longer than that, it assumes each N characters is a new "line".  You can find the option in NVDA's browse mode settings - NVDA+control+b will get you there directly.

There is also an option in Browse mode settings "Use screen layout (when supported)".  I've just copied from the user guide here:

"Use screen layout

Key: NVDA+v

This option allows you to specify whether content in browse mode should place content such as links and other fields on their own line, or if it should keep them in the flow of text as it is visually shown. If the option is enabled then things will stay as they are visually shown, but if it is disabled then fields will be placed on their own line."

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 3:16 AM Dang Manh Cuong <dangmanhcuong@...> wrote:

Hi Marcio
That were keystrokes from Windows, not from NVDA, so I thikn it doesn not explained in NVDA user guide or key command. It should be found in matireals about basic computer skill.
Cuong

----------------
Dang Manh Cuong
 The Assistive technology specialist
 Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
52/22 Huynh Thien Loc St., Hoa Thanh ward, Tan Phu dist., HCM, Vietnam.
 Tel: +8428 7302-4488
 E-mail: info@...; tech@...
 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/saomaicenterfortheblind
 Website: http://www.trungtamsaomai.org; http://www.saomaicenter.org
Mobile / Viber / WhatsApp / Zalo: +84 902-572-300
 E-mail: dangmanhcuong@...; cuong@...
 Skype name: dangmanhcuong
 facebook: http://facebook.com/dangmanhcuong
 Twitter: @ManhCuongTech
NVDA Certified Expert: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

----- Original Message -----

From: marcio via Groups.Io

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 5:11 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about reading an entire line with NVDA

It helped a lot!
Now, is that described on the keystrokes' reference? I couldn't find it no matter where I could look for.

Thanks :)

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy
Follow or add me on Facebook

Em 26/03/2019 05:28, Dang Manh Cuong disse:



Hi Marcio
Ctrl+down arrow is to move the focus to the next paragraph, and Ctrl+up arrow will move to previous paragraph. When focus move to new line, NVDA always read that line/
Hope that help
Cuong

----------------
Dang Manh Cuong
 The Assistive technology specialist
 Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
52/22 Huynh Thien Loc St., Hoa Thanh ward, Tan Phu dist., HCM, Vietnam.
 Tel: +8428 7302-4488
 E-mail: info@...; tech@...
 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/saomaicenterfortheblind
 Website: http://www.trungtamsaomai.org; http://www.saomaicenter.org
Mobile / Viber / WhatsApp / Zalo: +84 902-572-300
 E-mail: dangmanhcuong@...; cuong@...
 Skype name: dangmanhcuong
 facebook: http://facebook.com/dangmanhcuong
 Twitter: @ManhCuongTech
NVDA Certified Expert: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

----- Original Message -----

From: marcio via Groups.Io

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 3:20 PM

Subject: [nvda] Question about reading an entire line with NVDA

Hey guys, I'm here again :)
This time the question is about... well you saw it on the subject I suppose :)
So, the thing is: I found out that pressing CTRL along with the down arrow, NVDA will read the entire line from a text, regardless if that line is broken for some reason.
However, while I just found it out, I also found out that apparently, this  option isn't described on the NVDA's keystrokes refference.
So my question: is it actually something expected, that pressing CTRL+down arrow NVDA will read the entire line? If so, why isn't it described as an option?
Or, well, what would I be missing? Can anyone point me on the right direction? :)

Cheers,

Marcio AKA Starboy
Follow or add me on Facebook

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

Thank you. Whats wrong with my computer? I use two add-on. One ks win 10 app essential and another is add-on updater.

Hi!
qCast is a really good pod catcher!
It only costs a few dollars, but is so worth it.
All you have to do is type in a search term, and it will bring up a huge list of podcasts to choose from.
I just love it.
I also use the accessible pod cast from Web IE as well.
David Moore
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*Subject: *Re: [nvda] A Good podcast client for windows 10?
On 26/03/2019 23:49, Matt Turner wrote:
Hi folks.
Anyone have any good ideas?
I don't want to use Itunes for podcast.
Hi,
I use Sharp Reader.
There are hot keys:-
F6 - Flag, folder title
F7 - Shows titles within a feed
F8 - allows you to see links including URL - Press Jaws key (NPD0) and tab moves straight to the URL link
Press context menu; you can sort by name, etc.
The other one I use is Accessible Podcaster from Web IE.

On 26/03/2019 23:49, Matt Turner wrote:

Hi folks.

Anyone have any good ideas?

I don't want to use Itunes for podcast.

Hi,

I use Sharp Reader.

There are hot keys:-

F6 - Flag, folder title

F7 - Shows titles within a feed

F8 - allows you to see links including URL - Press Jaws key (NPD0) and tab moves straight to the URL link

Press context menu; you can sort by name, etc.

The other one I use is Accessible Podcaster from Web IE.

JAWS users can point out things that JAWS does better. No screen-reader
does all things as well as any other screen-reader. That's why demanding
users use more than one screen-reader, even if they only have a demo of
another one. You don't know when you might need or benefit from another
screen-reader.

I almost never use System Access to go, but I find, every now and then, that
having access to it really helps with something.

For example, awhile ago, System Access to Go read the things to check so
unwanted software wouldn't be installed when I was installing a certain free
program. No other screen-reader tried read that material in an accessible
way. It may be, therefore, that when installing free programs, since so
many try to put other programs on machines, that the installer should be
tried with System Access or System Access to Go.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 12:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nbda with chrome


Hmmm, I use NVDA running Chrome. I have no problems running it using NVDA.
How I had Chrome run as the default browser. I was taking an online food
safe course. I was receiving tutoring and he doesn’t know win ten. He knew
Chrome so I told him to default it. We tried IE but it ran slow. Now my
food safe website called the training center is saved on book marks. Here’s
a real sick kicker! Expensive Jaws the latest version can get onto the
site. I can login but Jaws does not read Click anywhere to begin. If I
launch free NVDA NVDA will read click anywhere to begin.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10



From: Gene
Sent: March 24, 2019 1:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nbda with chrome



If you use add-ons, try running NVDA with no add-ons running and see if
Chrome runs.



If you don't know how to run NVDA with no add-ons running, you do so in the
shut down dialog of NVDA, ask here.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: farhan israk

Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 2:54 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Nbda with chrome



I use Windows 10 1809, latest nvda and chrome. Most of time nvda hangs when
I use chrome. I faced this problem in previous version of chrome as well.
How to fix it?

Dear Zahra,
Please use this dropbox link to download 2019.1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/s3lqgs43ek1b4nr/nvda_2019.1.exe?dl=0
I will keep it alive for 2 days.

Best regards and blessings,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Dienstag, 26. März 2019 12:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2019.1 available

hi.
thanks for your kindness.
as i tested before, cloud services had not issues when someone uploaded file
for me.
but i am wondering why i cant access download links in iran.
i thought that its a temporary problem, but it occures since several weeks
ago and continued until now.
thanks again for your kindness and God bless you!

On 3/26/19, Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@elra-consulting.de> wrote:

Zahra,
Can you access any cloud service like dropbox, oneDrive or google
drive? If yes I can upload the new version there for you to download.

Cheers,
Ralf
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Dienstag, 26. März 2019 11:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2019.1 available

hi quentin and as always, i appreciate you for your great works.
for many weeks, nvda website is not accessible in iran or sometimes is
accessible, but very difficult.
for example: sometimes i should open website several times to rescue
from different kind of browsers errors!
download link wont work at all.
God bless you!
On 3/25/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:

Hi everyone,

Apologies for the slight delay in the announcement, and I see several
of you have already posted about it, but yes, NV Access is pleased to
announce that version 2019.1 of NVDA, the free screen reader for
Microsoft Windows, has now been released.

Highlights of this release include performance improvements when
accessing both Microsoft word and Excel, stability and security
improvements such as support for add-ons with version compatibility
information, and many other bug fixes.

In the release announcement at
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-1-now-available/ there is
also important information about add-on compatibility. Note that
although the framework for having add-ons report versions
compatibility is there, and we encourage all add-on developers to
update their add-ons to include this if they haven't already - This
version of NVDA will however still allow installing and loading of
add-ons that do not yet contain Minimum and Last Tested NVDA version
information at all, but upgrading to future versions of NVDA (E.g.
2019.2) may automatically cause these older add-ons to be disabled.

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Hi Zahra,

I just had a look and found this site: http://www.blockediniran.com/ which
claims to test whether any given site is blocked in Iran.

Putting https://www.nvaccess.org/ in its checker, it advised that
www.nvaccess.org IS blocked in Iran.

I know our site is based on Word Press and that also appears to be blocked,
so that is possibly the reason?

Interestingly that tool also says Dropbox is blocked so I'll be interested
to hear whether you can download the file Ralf uploaded for you.

Quentin.

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 2:39 AM Ralf Kefferpuetz <
ralf.kefferpuetz@elra-consulting.de> wrote:

Dear Zahra,
Please use this dropbox link to download 2019.1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/s3lqgs43ek1b4nr/nvda_2019.1.exe?dl=0
I will keep it alive for 2 days.

Best regards and blessings,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Dienstag, 26. März 2019 12:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2019.1 available

hi.
thanks for your kindness.
as i tested before, cloud services had not issues when someone uploaded
file for me.
but i am wondering why i cant access download links in iran.
i thought that its a temporary problem, but it occures since several
weeks
ago and continued until now.
thanks again for your kindness and God bless you!

On 3/26/19, Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@elra-consulting.de> wrote:

Zahra,
Can you access any cloud service like dropbox, oneDrive or google
drive? If yes I can upload the new version there for you to download.

Cheers,
Ralf
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Dienstag, 26. März 2019 11:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2019.1 available

hi quentin and as always, i appreciate you for your great works.
for many weeks, nvda website is not accessible in iran or sometimes is
accessible, but very difficult.
for example: sometimes i should open website several times to rescue
from different kind of browsers errors!
download link wont work at all.
God bless you!
On 3/25/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:

Hi everyone,

Apologies for the slight delay in the announcement, and I see several
of you have already posted about it, but yes, NV Access is pleased to
announce that version 2019.1 of NVDA, the free screen reader for
Microsoft Windows, has now been released.

Highlights of this release include performance improvements when
accessing both Microsoft word and Excel, stability and security
improvements such as support for add-ons with version compatibility
information, and many other bug fixes.

In the release announcement at
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-1-now-available/ there is
also important information about add-on compatibility. Note that
although the framework for having add-ons report versions
compatibility is there, and we encourage all add-on developers to
update their add-ons to include this if they haven't already - This
version of NVDA will however still allow installing and loading of
add-ons that do not yet contain Minimum and Last Tested NVDA version
information at all, but upgrading to future versions of NVDA (E.g.
2019.2) may automatically cause these older add-ons to be disabled.

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 04:32 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

I'd be interested in what the page is and if the link is actually in focus

This is one of the things I keep begging people to include when questions like this come up.  They are almost impossible to answer in the abstract because there are so many potential scenarios that can cause misbehavior.

Unless this is occurring somewhere like an online banking page, where one must be logged in to get to it, and involves private information, please, please, please include the URL of the page in question, and the identification for the problematic link on that page.  That's the way any of us here can examine things to get an answer that's both fast, and accurate.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back