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Re: Anybody have accessible NAS recommendations?

John Isige
 


Could you explain a bit about what 97% accessible means? Specifically, what things aren't accessible?


Re: Braille Extender not saving tables

David Csercsics <bleeblat@...>
 

It is definitely a bug! I can duplicate it here as well as a couple other things. But the add-on will likely no longer work as of 2019.3 because of the move to Python 3 support, so we may have to find another solution.

 A pity for me because I really enjoy my braille display, but I'll see what I can learn to sort this out.


Braille Extender not saving tables

Deborah Armstrong <debee@...>
 

Nvda 2019.1.1 current stable. Braille Extender 2019.07.10, also current stable.
This problem was reported on the list by Rob Hudson back in January.
 
Though the settings let you configure two Braille tables, a primary and a secondary, pressing OK does not save them. I've tried ENTER, I've tried space, I've tried going to another field and pressing Enter.
 
The secondary table does save but not the primary so when you try to switch tables you get the message:
"you must choose at least two tables for this feature. Please fill in the settings."
 
I've tried going to the Braille extender settings through preferences  and Settings, then Braille extender.  also finding the same dialog just under Preferences.
 
I don't know how you can save more than two tables though documentation implies you can. 
Why aren't the tables I specify saving? Is this a bug or a misunderstanding on how the settings interface works?
 
--Debee
 


Re: A Question About NVDA, Python 3 and Espeak

David Csercsics <bleeblat@...>
 

Alright, well, I'll poke around for another solution then, or see what can be done. At least there is time, and I do think the Python 3 changes are necessary. It is great the good work everyone is doing to make this stuff useful. Thank you!


Re: A Question About NVDA, Python 3 and Espeak

 

Hi,
Braille Extender is broken, and it appears the site used for updating that add-on is gone somehow. Others are compatible and working.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Csercsics
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2019 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A Question About NVDA, Python 3 and Espeak

The only add-ons I usually use are braille extender and the Windows 10 essential ones, and the add-on updater, but it looks like all of those are either being updated, or already work fine with the new Python 3, but I'd be happy to help with this if I can.


Re: A Question About NVDA, Python 3 and Espeak

David Csercsics <bleeblat@...>
 

The only add-ons I usually use are braille extender and the Windows 10 essential ones, and the add-on updater, but it looks like all of those are either being updated, or already work fine with the new Python 3, but I'd be happy to help with this if I can.


Re: A Question About NVDA, Python 3 and Espeak

Quentin Christensen
 

Also,

Just to be clear, the upcoming NVDA 2019.2 release is still based on the existing python 2 code, so any add-ons and synthesizers etc should still work.

We are also working with synth manufacturers, to ensure ongoing compatibility of their add-ons with NVDA into the future.

Regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 6:27 PM Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:
No, espeak works fine in Python 3 versions of NVDA.

On Sat, 27 Jul 2019, Marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

> Considering all the Python 3 porting conversation I have a question. It's been said that some synthesizers would stop working. Is it the case about Espeak?





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Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.2beta1 now available!


Re: Anybody have accessible NAS recommendations?

John Isige
 

actually, you can apparently run their software for a long while even on
older stuff. This will run the latest, and there was a critical update
from this year. So yeah, it should run the latest and greatest. Also, I
won't be opening it up to the internet, which is what all of these
people seem to have done. Well OK, I guess I can't say I'll never do it,
but right now it's just gonna be a media server behind a router, totally
local stuff. Good advice though, thanks!

On 7/27/2019 22:33, Luke Davis wrote:
While I don't know anything about that particular gear--I have always
built my own NASes using Linux--I will say that I would have
misgivings about buying a piece of 2013 computing equipment of any kind.

If it is not still receiving security patches, I would definitely not
buy it. See the conversations here recently about Windows XP. Embedded
systems are often even worse than old operating systems, when it comes
to security and patching security holes.

So if that thing has an ARM, Intel, or AMD processor (or one of
several others), for example, and it hasn't received 2018 software
updates, it's vulnerable to several processor level hacks that can
allow someone to read anything in its memory. That aside, depending on
what software it's running, it could even become part of a botnet,
like most Windows XP systems are.

So be very careful with buying old equipment like this. If it's not
still getting software updates, stay far away from it, or only use it
in a situation where it never touches the internet.

Some links:

read the comment by archagon, and some others:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8128521

And perhaps: https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1247263
https://www.reddit.com/r/synology/comments/9qzooz/hacked_2_factor_authentication_doesnt_prevent/


Luke


Re: A long talking of Nvda on web

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hi Gene,

Thank you very much for your help.

Jarek

Jarek
Dne 27.07.2019 v 19:31 Gene napsal(a):

I don't know what you intended to type.  You must have used control NVDA d, not s, as you write.  If you had used s, you would have opened the synthesizer settings, which you clearly didn't. 
 
Control NVDA d is a shortcut.  It allows you to open document formatting, without opening the NVDA menu, then preferences, then find document formatting starting in the NVdA menu.  I'll let others describe just how you get into document formatting.  I'm not familiar with the newer interface.  But you won't find anything more if you do that.  You are already in document formatting with control NVDA d.  The menu method gets you to exactly the same place.
 
However, using the NVDA menu and preferences in that menu are important to know about so you can look through options in NVDA.  The shortcuts we are discussing are fine for getting to a part of settings immediately, but they don't subvstitute for knowing the basic structure of NVDA.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A long talking of Nvda on web

The command is NVDA control d for document formatting.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A long talking of Nvda on web

Hello,

I cannot find the preferences.

I pressed the keys Ctrl+Nvda+S, and there is a formating of documents.
There I unchecked anouncing the columns.

Jarek

Jarek

Dne 27.07.2019 v 17:29 Sam Bushman napsal(a):
> Please press nvda-n - in the nvda menus choose preferences - then settings -
> then arrow down to browser - you can check/uncheck - meaning turn on and off
> several settings that can help. For example: I have tables turned off.
> Hope this helps.
> Sam
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jarek.Krcmar
> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 9:17 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] A long talking of Nvda on web
>
> Hello everyone,
> I'd like to get rid of the verbosity of Nvda on the web.
> Nvda tells me:
> Heading 1, 2, rows 5 columns.
> That seems very lengthy.
> Can Nvda be set up to be less talkative?
>



Re: A long talking of Nvda on web

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


To get to document formatting quickly use the nvda key + ctrl key + the letter D this will bring up the document formatting dialogue where you can make changes



Depending which menu you might want to go into  change the last letter.


I usually only say do the general settings so would replace the D with a G.


the keyboard with a k



browse mode with a B

the synth settings with a S

The voice settings with a V

The keyboard with a K


The mouse settings with a M


There are probably more but depends what you want.


I think on some of them you can also asign as a gesture.






Gene nz


On 28/07/2019 7:04 PM, Marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
On a related note:
Is there a section of the NVDA Userguide or Keycommands telling about these shortcuts to the NVDA Settings? It's something really important to know and I couldn't find it anywhere.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

Sent from a galaxy far, far away.

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Re: Anybody have accessible NAS recommendations?

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

Mine is from Western digital. When I can afford it I plan on looking into the idea of a NAS docking station.

 

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From: John Isige
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 11:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Anybody have accessible NAS recommendations?

 

Hi everybody. I need a new NAS. Anybody have recommendations? Somebody

wants to sell me a Synology from 2013. I see it has accessibility, at

least somewhat.

 

 

https://www.synology.com/en-us/knowledgebase/DSM/help/DSM/Accessibility/accessibility

 

 

I'm looking for recommendations because I'm currently using a Western

Digital MyBook Live. I can access most of it, but the way you delete

shares is to click on a graphical icon that doesn't show up, so I can't

do that myself. So I'm hoping to find one that has accessible management

software. It seems like Synology's might work, but if anybody's got

actual experience with something, I'd surely appreciate hearing about

it. Thanks!

 

 

 

 


Re: Anybody have accessible NAS recommendations?

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

I have a Synology DS218J with 2 8TB disks in raid 1, means 8TB netto space and the interface is accessible for 97%.

Cheers,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: Samstag, 27. Juli 2019 19:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Anybody have accessible NAS recommendations?

Hi everybody. I need a new NAS. Anybody have recommendations? Somebody wants to sell me a Synology from 2013. I see it has accessibility, at least somewhat.


https://www.synology.com/en-us/knowledgebase/DSM/help/DSM/Accessibility/accessibility


I'm looking for recommendations because I'm currently using a Western Digital MyBook Live. I can access most of it, but the way you delete shares is to click on a graphical icon that doesn't show up, so I can't do that myself. So I'm hoping to find one that has accessible management software. It seems like Synology's might work, but if anybody's got actual experience with something, I'd surely appreciate hearing about it. Thanks!


Re: A long talking of Nvda on web

 

On a related note:
Is there a section of the NVDA Userguide or Keycommands telling about these shortcuts to the NVDA Settings? It's something really important to know and I couldn't find it anywhere.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

Sent from a galaxy far, far away.

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Re: A long talking of Nvda on web

 

Gene and all,
Gene wrote:
I'll let others describe just how you get into document formatting.  I'm not familiar with the newer interface.
Ok, here's how you can access the Document Formating Settings the hard way, so to speak :)
  1. Open NVDA Menu (NVDA+N).
  2. Down arrow to settings. Actually, probably you won't need to down arrow because this will be the very first option so if I'm right, just press enter here.
  3. Now down arrow until Document Formating.
You can also use first letter navigation which will make your life easier.
Hth

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Re: Anybody have accessible NAS recommendations?

Luke Davis
 

While I don't know anything about that particular gear--I have always built my own NASes using Linux--I will say that I would have misgivings about buying a piece of 2013 computing equipment of any kind.

If it is not still receiving security patches, I would definitely not buy it. See the conversations here recently about Windows XP. Embedded systems are often even worse than old operating systems, when it comes to security and patching security holes.

So if that thing has an ARM, Intel, or AMD processor (or one of several others), for example, and it hasn't received 2018 software updates, it's vulnerable to several processor level hacks that can allow someone to read anything in its memory. That aside, depending on what software it's running, it could even become part of a botnet, like most Windows XP systems are.

So be very careful with buying old equipment like this. If it's not still getting software updates, stay far away from it, or only use it in a situation where it never touches the internet.

Some links:

read the comment by archagon, and some others: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8128521

And perhaps: https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1247263
https://www.reddit.com/r/synology/comments/9qzooz/hacked_2_factor_authentication_doesnt_prevent/

Luke


NVDA addon: Community feedback on new Developer toolkit feature requested

Andy B.
 

Hi,

I am requesting the community’s feedback on a feature for Developer toolkit. Before proceeding with the new feature’s description, I must provide a sample problem a user might encounter while using DTK. Imagine you are a user of DTK. You wish to make a dialog in the top-right corner of your display with a button centered in the dialog. The dialog is to have the dimensions of 100px wide and 100px high. The button is to have the dimensions of 75px wide and 25px high. You know the display resolution is 1920px wide and 1080px high.

You confidently code up the dialog to sit in the top-right corner of the display. To verify, you launch the dialog, turn on DTK, navigate to the dialog, then obtain its size and location. After checking the size and location, you are happy with its placement: (left, top, right, bottom): 1820, 0, 1920, 100 [100px wide and 100px high]. You proceed to place a button in the dialog. To verify the button’s size and location, you launch the dialog, put focus on the button, turn on DTK features, and obtain the button’s size and location. To your horror, the location is (left, top, right, bottom): 1820, 0, 1904, 25) [75px wide and 25px high]. It is a reasonable guess that the button is in the top-left corner of the dialog. However, you might have to perform some math to figure it out. Now, imagine what this would look like with a fairly complex design or layout… Messy at best! The problem is that all object locations are reported relative to the entire display. This method is useful for gross layouts such as setting up foreground window placement, or header, footer, multicolumn website layouts. Even the web layouts provide their own issues. Wait though, there is a solution to the problem!

The proposed feature I would like comments on is the ability for DTK to provide location information relative to the focused object’s parent. In the example given, you could ask DTK to give you the locations of the left, top, right, and bottom edges based on the distance between the focused object and its parent’s edges. For instance, DTK would report the button location as (left, top, right, bottom): 0, 0, 75, 25. You could still obtain locations based on the entire display’s size though. Implementing this isn’t difficult, but I need feature requests and implementation ideas from a user’s point of view. How would you see this feature implemented?

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: A long talking of Nvda on web

Luke Davis
 

It depends on the website. But in addition to what others have told you, you can try turning off layout tables (nvda+control+b, uncheck the box).

On Sat, 27 Jul 2019, Jarek.Krcmar wrote:

Hello everyone,
I'd like to get rid of the verbosity of Nvda on the web.
Nvda tells me:
Heading 1, 2, rows 5 columns.
That seems very lengthy.
Can Nvda be set up to be less talkative?


Re: A long talking of Nvda on web

Gene
 

I don't know what you intended to type.  You must have used control NVDA d, not s, as you write.  If you had used s, you would have opened the synthesizer settings, which you clearly didn't. 
 
Control NVDA d is a shortcut.  It allows you to open document formatting, without opening the NVDA menu, then preferences, then find document formatting starting in the NVdA menu.  I'll let others describe just how you get into document formatting.  I'm not familiar with the newer interface.  But you won't find anything more if you do that.  You are already in document formatting with control NVDA d.  The menu method gets you to exactly the same place.
 
However, using the NVDA menu and preferences in that menu are important to know about so you can look through options in NVDA.  The shortcuts we are discussing are fine for getting to a part of settings immediately, but they don't subvstitute for knowing the basic structure of NVDA.
 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A long talking of Nvda on web

The command is NVDA control d for document formatting.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A long talking of Nvda on web

Hello,

I cannot find the preferences.

I pressed the keys Ctrl+Nvda+S, and there is a formating of documents.
There I unchecked anouncing the columns.

Jarek

Jarek

Dne 27.07.2019 v 17:29 Sam Bushman napsal(a):
> Please press nvda-n - in the nvda menus choose preferences - then settings -
> then arrow down to browser - you can check/uncheck - meaning turn on and off
> several settings that can help. For example: I have tables turned off.
> Hope this helps.
> Sam
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jarek.Krcmar
> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 9:17 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] A long talking of Nvda on web
>
> Hello everyone,
> I'd like to get rid of the verbosity of Nvda on the web.
> Nvda tells me:
> Heading 1, 2, rows 5 columns.
> That seems very lengthy.
> Can Nvda be set up to be less talkative?
>



Re: A long talking of Nvda on web

Gene
 

The command is NVDA control d for document formatting.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A long talking of Nvda on web

Hello,

I cannot find the preferences.

I pressed the keys Ctrl+Nvda+S, and there is a formating of documents.
There I unchecked anouncing the columns.

Jarek

Jarek

Dne 27.07.2019 v 17:29 Sam Bushman napsal(a):
> Please press nvda-n - in the nvda menus choose preferences - then settings -
> then arrow down to browser - you can check/uncheck - meaning turn on and off
> several settings that can help. For example: I have tables turned off.
> Hope this helps.
> Sam
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jarek.Krcmar
> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 9:17 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] A long talking of Nvda on web
>
> Hello everyone,
> I'd like to get rid of the verbosity of Nvda on the web.
> Nvda tells me:
> Heading 1, 2, rows 5 columns.
> That seems very lengthy.
> Can Nvda be set up to be less talkative?
>



Re: A long talking of Nvda on web

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hello,

I cannot find the preferences.

I pressed the keys Ctrl+Nvda+S, and there is a formating of documents. There I unchecked anouncing the columns.

Jarek

Jarek

Dne 27.07.2019 v 17:29 Sam Bushman napsal(a):

Please press nvda-n - in the nvda menus choose preferences - then settings -
then arrow down to browser - you can check/uncheck - meaning turn on and off
several settings that can help. For example: I have tables turned off.
Hope this helps.
Sam


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jarek.Krcmar
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 9:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A long talking of Nvda on web

Hello everyone,
I'd like to get rid of the verbosity of Nvda on the web.
Nvda tells me:
Heading 1, 2, rows 5 columns.
That seems very lengthy.
Can Nvda be set up to be less talkative?