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Re: how do i get my NVDA to read powerpoints

molly the blind tech lover
 

I just created my first slide 😀

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 4:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how do i get my NVDA to read powerpoints

I really need to copy this in to a word document for later.
This is fantastic. Thanks a lot.


Re: how do i get my NVDA to read powerpoints

Chris Shook
 

I really need to copy this in to a word document for later.
This is fantastic. Thanks a lot.


Re: NVDA and power point

Chris Shook
 

Clare, thanks for the help. I'll be sure to try that.
Also thanks to Martio and Richard Wells, I can use the F keys again.


Re: how do i get my NVDA to read powerpoints

molly the blind tech lover
 

Thank you so so much. This is extremely helpful.  😊

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 3:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how do i get my NVDA to read powerpoints

 

Hi

 

A few years back i put together a tutorial on making a basic power point slide show  and what keys etc to use.

 

it will also depend how they have it set up automatic changing of slides or manual.

 

the tutorial is below and can also be found off my nvda tutorials for other programs page.

 

How to create a PowerPoint presentation with NVDA
When you open up PowerPoint it will automatically go to the first slide. This will open in slide view and this will be spoken out by NVDA. In the first slide, if you tab, you will hear the following: Subtitle placeholder and Centre Title placeholder.
If you press the Enter key on either of these options, an editable box will come up. Here, type in your text. When finished, press the Escape key, then tab to the next item and repeat the process (as in the first option given). Make sure after you have typed in your text to press the Escape key. Next, if you use the Tab key you will hear what is written in each section. You may also wish to add other items such as links, pictures or sounds etcetera to your presentation.
Adding extra slides
When you have finished creating your first slide, in most cases you will want to add extra slides to the presentation. To add another slide as you go use the New Slide (Ctrl + M) shortcut. When a new slide is added you will hear NVDA say slide 2 slide view.
This time when you use the Tab key you will hear NVDA say Title placeholder and Object placeholder. Repeat the steps as were done in slide one.
You will notice as you add extra slides NVDA will say the number of the slide.
To go between slides you have created
As you create your presentation the more slides you add you will hear the number of the slides go from number one to the number where you have finished your last slide (for example slide 20).
You can use the page up key to take you back through your presentation until you arrive back at slide one. If you use the page down key, you can go forwards through the presentation back to your last slide (for example slide 20). You might hear NVDA also say slide show complete.
To get quickly to the start of your PowerPoint presentation or to the end of it
To quickly get back to your first slide you can use the Home key. This will take you to the very first slide you created and you should hear the contents of the slide read out.  
To quickly get to the very last slide of your presentation you can use the End key. You should hear the name of the very last slide read out and its contents.
Using the F6 key to go between Windows
If you go back to your very first slide, then start pushing the F6 key, you will hear NVDA say the following: slide one slide view. Press the F6 key again and you will hear NVDA say status bar, ribbon tab home. Press the F6 key again and you will hear NVDA say slide one notes page multiline. Press the F6 key again and you will hear NVDA say thumbnail one of however many slides you have created. Press the F6 key again and you will be back to where you started.
Adding notes to your slides
If you would like to add a note to your presentation (on the slide that you are on), when you hear NVDA say slide notes page - type your note in here.
When you hear NVDA say thumb nails number one of whatever is your last slide, you can use your down and up arrow keys to go between each slide.
Watching the PowerPoint presentation you have created
To start your slide show, press the F5 key. This will start your PowerPoint presentation at the beginning of the PowerPoint you have created.
You can then either use the Enter key or the Spacebar to go to the next slide (from start to finish) of your PowerPoint. NVDA will read the slides from top to bottom. You will hear when your slide show is finished with NVDA saying PowerPoint complete at the end of the slide show.
The PowerPoint presentation can also be automated, so it changes slides at set intervals between slides. You may have to play around with the timing so the slide is not quicker than NVDA reading out the slide. To have a set interval between each slide that is the same use Alt + the letter K, then the letter I. When you hear the following read out this is the time between each slide 00:00.00. You can use the up and down arrow keys to adjust the time between each slide.  These will all be set to the same length of time you specified (for example 10 seconds) before it goes to the next slide.
Inserting a picture into your PowerPoint presentation
Whenever you insert pictures, graphs, etcetera into your PowerPoint presentation, please also add Alt text to the graphics in the slide at the same time. This way, when the screen reader comes to the picture, it will read out the Alt text in the graphic. This helps a blind or visually impaired student know what that picture/graphic is about. Alt text refers to alternate text.
To insert a picture into your slide show (on the current slide), press the Alt key + the letter N. Next, press the letter P, then the Enter key. A dialogue box will come up. You can tab and shift tab around it to locate your photo. In this area it will ask you what type of photo you want to insert (as in the format of the photo) and give you the option to find it on your computer or portable media. When you have located your picture, press the Enter key on it and that picture will be inserted into the slide show.
Next, use the application key and you will be given a selection of menus to arrow through. Arrow to the format picture menu, then press the Enter key. When the next screen comes up, you will be given quite a few options and might hear NVDA say Picture Corrections List. You will need to locate the Alt text menu. This might be a matter of arrowing right or left to get to the tab. You can also tab through the different sections there under the different menus.
Under the Alt text section, when you first tab, it will give you the option to give the picture a title. Enter in whatever you want to in this section (for example Dog playing in the snow). The next time you tab, it will let you put in a description about the photo (for example our house all covered in snow with the dog playing in the snow and children chucking snow balls at each other). Next, tab down to the close button then press the Enter key. Now, the Alt text is inserted into the photo you put into the PowerPoint presentation.
You will hear content placeholder when the alternative text in the picture is read out.
Switching between the slide and its accompanying notes
If you would like to switch between the slide and any accompanying notes (if any) you can use the following shortcut. Press Control + Shift + S to switch back and forth between the slide and its accompanying notes.
You must be watching your slide show to do this on each slide.
Adding notes to your presentation
When you are putting together your slide show presentation, there are a couple of ways you can get to the notes section. One is to use the F6 key until you hear NVDA say notes page. Here, enter in your notes, then use the F6 key to cycle you back to slide view.
The second way is to use a shortcut. The shortcut key to get to this section quickly is Alt + R, then C.  Now, type in your comment, and make sure the comment lines up with the slide.
Editing or reviewing each slide
When you are in slide view you can arrow down and up this section to each slide you have created. Locate the slide you want to edit then tab once until you hear NVDA say Centre Title placeholder. Next press the Enter key then an editable dialogue box will come up with whatever you had written in this section before. Make your changes, and press the Escape key. Now it will be updated with the new information you have edited or replaced.
Tab once more until you hear NVDA say Subtitle placeholder, then press the Enter key. Make your changes then press the Escape key and the new information will be updated.
Inserting a hyperlink into your Power Point presentation
From time to time you might want to put a hyperlink into your PowerPoint presentation (that might point to a resource on the internet).
To add a hyperlink into your presentation, work out where in the text you would like the hyperlink to be. For example, to visit the NVAccess website please go to and put your hyper link in here.
When you have found the right spot for the hyperlink to go on your slide, press the application key on your keyboard. When a context menu comes up, arrow until you hear NVDA say the menu that says hyperlink, then press the Enter key. It will ask you to put in the hyperlink address for example http://www.nvaccess.org Once done, tab to the ok button. Then press the Enter key. Now, your hyperlink will be in the slide where you put it.
The shortcut key to insert a hyperlink is Alt + N, then I. This will give you a whole heap of extra options such as (under the Hyperlink section)... Create a link to a Web page, a picture, an e-mail address, or a program.
It is a matter of tabbing through the sections given and adding the parts that you would like to put into your Power Point presentation.
Inserting a table into your slide
To insert a table into your slide, locate where you want it in your slide to be shown.
Next, press the Alt key + the letter N, then the letter T for table and press the Enter key. This is the shortcut key to insert a table into your slide.
You will now be given some options which you can tab through. There are plenty of options to choose from (going from 1x1 Table onwards). You can also use the Shift/Tab key to go back through the options given. If any of the other options suit you, press the Enter key on it.
Find the size of the table you want to put into the slide show then press the Enter key. Your table will now be inserted into your slide.
Turning on the reporting of tables when editing a table
Make sure you have the report tables check box checked under the document formatting section in NVDA; otherwise, you will have no idea of where you are in the table. To do this, use the NVDA key + the Ctrl key + the letter D to quickly get to the document formatting dialogue section within NVDA.
Putting in a customized sized table
There may be times when you want to put in a certain sized table (for example a 3 column by 2 row table).
To do a customized sized table (when you first go into the screen where it gives you a whole lot of options), you will hear NVDA say 1 times 1 table. Shift/tab a couple of times until you hear NVDA say insert table, then press the Enter key. Here you will be able to enter a custom number for your column and a custom number for your rows. Next, tab down to the ok button then press the Enter key, and your new table will be inserted into the PowerPoint slide.
If for any reason you are unsure where NVDA is focused, you can use the NVDA key + the Tab key so NVDA speaks the focused position.
Entering information into your table
You can now tab through the table you have inserted and enter your information into it.
The applications key can be used while in the table to give you other options. These include options such as: insert rows both above and below or insert columns both to the left or right; delete rows and delete columns; merge cells; split cells and select table.
After you have finished inserting information into your table, press the Escape key. You will need to go back to slide view and then play your PowerPoint presentation. You will now hear stuff read out to you from your table. Make sure you note (when entering information into your table) where each tab will take you.
Creating accessible PowerPoint presentations - Office Support
If you would like to know more about how to create an accessible PowerPoint presentation, you may find the following link from Microsoft useful https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Creating-accessible-PowerPoint-presentations-6f7772b2-2f33-4bd2-8ca7-dae3b2b3ef25
Shortcuts you may find useful
Please go to the following link to get shortcuts for PowerPoint 2010/2013, Office etcetera. https://www.dropbox.com/s/r0hc0ejv9whgsgs/Useful%20shortcuts.zip?dl=0



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On 14/02/2019 9:33 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Hey guys, Molly here again 😀

I need to access somepowerpoints  for school. How do I get NVDA to read them?

Thanks. And sorry if I’m asking a question that has already been answered.

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Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa).
To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.



Re: NVDA and power point

molly the blind tech lover
 

Thanks.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Wells
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 3:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and power point

F5 should switch to slide view.

On 2/13/2019 2:31 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
Hi,
Can someone remind me how to switch to slide show view on power point
using NVDA?



Re: NVDA and power point

Richard Wells
 

F5 should switch to slide view.

On 2/13/2019 2:31 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
Hi,
Can someone remind me how to switch to slide show view on power point using NVDA?


Re: how do i get my NVDA to read powerpoints

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


A few years back i put together a tutorial on making a basic power point slide show  and what keys etc to use.


it will also depend how they have it set up automatic changing of slides or manual.


the tutorial is below and can also be found off my nvda tutorials for other programs page.


How to create a PowerPoint presentation with NVDA
When you open up PowerPoint it will automatically go to the first slide. This will open in slide view and this will be spoken out by NVDA. In the first slide, if you tab, you will hear the following: Subtitle placeholder and Centre Title placeholder.
If you press the Enter key on either of these options, an editable box will come up. Here, type in your text. When finished, press the Escape key, then tab to the next item and repeat the process (as in the first option given). Make sure after you have typed in your text to press the Escape key. Next, if you use the Tab key you will hear what is written in each section. You may also wish to add other items such as links, pictures or sounds etcetera to your presentation.
Adding extra slides
When you have finished creating your first slide, in most cases you will want to add extra slides to the presentation. To add another slide as you go use the New Slide (Ctrl + M) shortcut. When a new slide is added you will hear NVDA say slide 2 slide view.
This time when you use the Tab key you will hear NVDA say Title placeholder and Object placeholder. Repeat the steps as were done in slide one.
You will notice as you add extra slides NVDA will say the number of the slide.
To go between slides you have created
As you create your presentation the more slides you add you will hear the number of the slides go from number one to the number where you have finished your last slide (for example slide 20).
You can use the page up key to take you back through your presentation until you arrive back at slide one. If you use the page down key, you can go forwards through the presentation back to your last slide (for example slide 20). You might hear NVDA also say slide show complete.
To get quickly to the start of your PowerPoint presentation or to the end of it
To quickly get back to your first slide you can use the Home key. This will take you to the very first slide you created and you should hear the contents of the slide read out.  
To quickly get to the very last slide of your presentation you can use the End key. You should hear the name of the very last slide read out and its contents.
Using the F6 key to go between Windows
If you go back to your very first slide, then start pushing the F6 key, you will hear NVDA say the following: slide one slide view. Press the F6 key again and you will hear NVDA say status bar, ribbon tab home. Press the F6 key again and you will hear NVDA say slide one notes page multiline. Press the F6 key again and you will hear NVDA say thumbnail one of however many slides you have created. Press the F6 key again and you will be back to where you started.
Adding notes to your slides
If you would like to add a note to your presentation (on the slide that you are on), when you hear NVDA say slide notes page - type your note in here.
When you hear NVDA say thumb nails number one of whatever is your last slide, you can use your down and up arrow keys to go between each slide.
Watching the PowerPoint presentation you have created
To start your slide show, press the F5 key. This will start your PowerPoint presentation at the beginning of the PowerPoint you have created.
You can then either use the Enter key or the Spacebar to go to the next slide (from start to finish) of your PowerPoint. NVDA will read the slides from top to bottom. You will hear when your slide show is finished with NVDA saying PowerPoint complete at the end of the slide show.
The PowerPoint presentation can also be automated, so it changes slides at set intervals between slides. You may have to play around with the timing so the slide is not quicker than NVDA reading out the slide. To have a set interval between each slide that is the same use Alt + the letter K, then the letter I. When you hear the following read out this is the time between each slide 00:00.00. You can use the up and down arrow keys to adjust the time between each slide.  These will all be set to the same length of time you specified (for example 10 seconds) before it goes to the next slide.
Inserting a picture into your PowerPoint presentation
Whenever you insert pictures, graphs, etcetera into your PowerPoint presentation, please also add Alt text to the graphics in the slide at the same time. This way, when the screen reader comes to the picture, it will read out the Alt text in the graphic. This helps a blind or visually impaired student know what that picture/graphic is about. Alt text refers to alternate text.
To insert a picture into your slide show (on the current slide), press the Alt key + the letter N. Next, press the letter P, then the Enter key. A dialogue box will come up. You can tab and shift tab around it to locate your photo. In this area it will ask you what type of photo you want to insert (as in the format of the photo) and give you the option to find it on your computer or portable media. When you have located your picture, press the Enter key on it and that picture will be inserted into the slide show.
Next, use the application key and you will be given a selection of menus to arrow through. Arrow to the format picture menu, then press the Enter key. When the next screen comes up, you will be given quite a few options and might hear NVDA say Picture Corrections List. You will need to locate the Alt text menu. This might be a matter of arrowing right or left to get to the tab. You can also tab through the different sections there under the different menus.
Under the Alt text section, when you first tab, it will give you the option to give the picture a title. Enter in whatever you want to in this section (for example Dog playing in the snow). The next time you tab, it will let you put in a description about the photo (for example our house all covered in snow with the dog playing in the snow and children chucking snow balls at each other). Next, tab down to the close button then press the Enter key. Now, the Alt text is inserted into the photo you put into the PowerPoint presentation.
You will hear content placeholder when the alternative text in the picture is read out.
Switching between the slide and its accompanying notes
If you would like to switch between the slide and any accompanying notes (if any) you can use the following shortcut. Press Control + Shift + S to switch back and forth between the slide and its accompanying notes.
You must be watching your slide show to do this on each slide.
Adding notes to your presentation
When you are putting together your slide show presentation, there are a couple of ways you can get to the notes section. One is to use the F6 key until you hear NVDA say notes page. Here, enter in your notes, then use the F6 key to cycle you back to slide view.
The second way is to use a shortcut. The shortcut key to get to this section quickly is Alt + R, then C.  Now, type in your comment, and make sure the comment lines up with the slide.
Editing or reviewing each slide
When you are in slide view you can arrow down and up this section to each slide you have created. Locate the slide you want to edit then tab once until you hear NVDA say Centre Title placeholder. Next press the Enter key then an editable dialogue box will come up with whatever you had written in this section before. Make your changes, and press the Escape key. Now it will be updated with the new information you have edited or replaced.
Tab once more until you hear NVDA say Subtitle placeholder, then press the Enter key. Make your changes then press the Escape key and the new information will be updated.
Inserting a hyperlink into your Power Point presentation
From time to time you might want to put a hyperlink into your PowerPoint presentation (that might point to a resource on the internet).
To add a hyperlink into your presentation, work out where in the text you would like the hyperlink to be. For example, to visit the NVAccess website please go to and put your hyper link in here.
When you have found the right spot for the hyperlink to go on your slide, press the application key on your keyboard. When a context menu comes up, arrow until you hear NVDA say the menu that says hyperlink, then press the Enter key. It will ask you to put in the hyperlink address for example http://www.nvaccess.org Once done, tab to the ok button. Then press the Enter key. Now, your hyperlink will be in the slide where you put it.
The shortcut key to insert a hyperlink is Alt + N, then I. This will give you a whole heap of extra options such as (under the Hyperlink section)... Create a link to a Web page, a picture, an e-mail address, or a program.
It is a matter of tabbing through the sections given and adding the parts that you would like to put into your Power Point presentation.
Inserting a table into your slide
To insert a table into your slide, locate where you want it in your slide to be shown.
Next, press the Alt key + the letter N, then the letter T for table and press the Enter key. This is the shortcut key to insert a table into your slide.
You will now be given some options which you can tab through. There are plenty of options to choose from (going from 1x1 Table onwards). You can also use the Shift/Tab key to go back through the options given. If any of the other options suit you, press the Enter key on it.
Find the size of the table you want to put into the slide show then press the Enter key. Your table will now be inserted into your slide.
Turning on the reporting of tables when editing a table
Make sure you have the report tables check box checked under the document formatting section in NVDA; otherwise, you will have no idea of where you are in the table. To do this, use the NVDA key + the Ctrl key + the letter D to quickly get to the document formatting dialogue section within NVDA.
Putting in a customized sized table
There may be times when you want to put in a certain sized table (for example a 3 column by 2 row table).
To do a customized sized table (when you first go into the screen where it gives you a whole lot of options), you will hear NVDA say 1 times 1 table. Shift/tab a couple of times until you hear NVDA say insert table, then press the Enter key. Here you will be able to enter a custom number for your column and a custom number for your rows. Next, tab down to the ok button then press the Enter key, and your new table will be inserted into the PowerPoint slide.
If for any reason you are unsure where NVDA is focused, you can use the NVDA key + the Tab key so NVDA speaks the focused position.
Entering information into your table
You can now tab through the table you have inserted and enter your information into it.
The applications key can be used while in the table to give you other options. These include options such as: insert rows both above and below or insert columns both to the left or right; delete rows and delete columns; merge cells; split cells and select table.
After you have finished inserting information into your table, press the Escape key. You will need to go back to slide view and then play your PowerPoint presentation. You will now hear stuff read out to you from your table. Make sure you note (when entering information into your table) where each tab will take you.
Creating accessible PowerPoint presentations - Office Support
If you would like to know more about how to create an accessible PowerPoint presentation, you may find the following link from Microsoft useful https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Creating-accessible-PowerPoint-presentations-6f7772b2-2f33-4bd2-8ca7-dae3b2b3ef25
Shortcuts you may find useful
Please go to the following link to get shortcuts for PowerPoint 2010/2013, Office etcetera. https://www.dropbox.com/s/r0hc0ejv9whgsgs/Useful%20shortcuts.zip?dl=0



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On 14/02/2019 9:33 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Hey guys, Molly here again 😀

I need to access somepowerpoints  for school. How do I get NVDA to read them?

Thanks. And sorry if I’m asking a question that has already been answered.

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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa).
To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: how do i get my NVDA to read powerpoints

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

I don't love pdf, but when my professors ship powerpoint, I'm usually in a hurry for the information.  So, I open the powerpoint and thump it to pdf using powerpoint's save as feature.  Then I get a heading structure and access to tables.

Best,

Erik

On February 13, 2019 3:34:32 PM "molly the blind tech lover" <brainardmolly@...> wrote:

Hey guys, Molly here again 😀

I need to access somepowerpoints  for school. How do I get NVDA to read them?

Thanks. And sorry if I’m asking a question that has already been answered.


Re: NVDA and power point

Claire Potter <claire.potter99@...>
 

Hi Chris, I normally press f5, try that and let us know how you get on.

Claire Potter
Potter's place, where technology comes to life!
www.pottersplace.me.uk
NVDA Certified Expert 2019. 


On 13 Feb 2019, at 20:31, Chris Shook <chris0309@...> wrote:

Hi,
Can someone remind me how to switch to slide show view on power point using NVDA?




Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Kwork
 

In other words, as some could think I'm disagreeing with Nimer here, I'm not, and fully support what he just said.

On 2/13/2019 10:18 AM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
there is absolutely no difference in using the mouse with either screen reader running. In any case, this comparison between JAWS and NVDA is sort of pointless. If you have an NVDA question, please ask, otherwise let's try to refrain from bashing other products.

thanks.

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 10:11 AM Chris Shook <chris0309@...> wrote:
In my experience, NVDA is a lot better at using the mouse when the
screen reader is active.
With JAWS, the mouse can be trouble. According to some sighted people
I've asked for help, the mouse doesn't go where you want it to. At
least, that's the way it was about two years ago.





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Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Kwork
 

If someone wants to ask something about the way NVDA does something compared to JAWS, and even give an example of how/why they feel JAWS did something better, I don't mind that at all as it's still informative. When people start bashing one screenreader to promote another, and I don't care which one, that's where I start to see a loss of respect. To me, that's part of flaming. Let's all keep it civil.

Travis

On 2/13/2019 10:18 AM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
there is absolutely no difference in using the mouse with either screen reader running. In any case, this comparison between JAWS and NVDA is sort of pointless. If you have an NVDA question, please ask, otherwise let's try to refrain from bashing other products.

thanks.

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 10:11 AM Chris Shook <chris0309@...> wrote:
In my experience, NVDA is a lot better at using the mouse when the
screen reader is active.
With JAWS, the mouse can be trouble. According to some sighted people
I've asked for help, the mouse doesn't go where you want it to. At
least, that's the way it was about two years ago.





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how do i get my NVDA to read powerpoints

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hey guys, Molly here again 😀

I need to access somepowerpoints  for school. How do I get NVDA to read them?

Thanks. And sorry if I’m asking a question that has already been answered.


NVDA and power point

Chris Shook
 

Hi,
Can someone remind me how to switch to slide show view on power point using NVDA?


Re: NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list

Tony Malykh
 

Sorry for a typo, I meant:

In threaded view when you press up arrow and then down arrow, the cursor often times would not go back to the original position.

--Tony



On 2/13/2019 12:14 PM, Tony Malykh via Groups.Io wrote:

Here is the list of my complaints about threaded view in Outlook. I would be glad if you could teach me how to use it properly.


1. Biggest complaint. In threaded view when you press up arrow and then down arrow, the cursor often times would go back to the original position. After some sighted assistance I figured out that it seems to be intentionally skipping over some emails, that are visually displayed in different tone (I think lighter) and Outlook probably thinks they are not ads important when you arrow down through them, but not if you arrow up. Which makes this view ridiculously confusing to me. Because I alwayss assume that up and down arrows are the opposites of each other. But Outlook is trying to be smarter here, I would call it too smart. So, is there a way to make up and down arrows to work as expected, e.g. cancel out each other?

2. Is there a way to know what level in the tree view you're currently at? So far I have to guess based on the title and the author of the email.


I think if I could have these two questions answered, I would take my words back about threaded view in outlook being unusable.

Best

Tony


On 2/13/2019 7:15 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 10:11 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
With Jaws, it works great, but not with NVDA.
Again, in what way?   It's impossible to make suggestions of any kind when assertions are not specific as to what you can do with one that you cannot do with the other.
 
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Re: NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list

Tony Malykh
 

Here is the list of my complaints about threaded view in Outlook. I would be glad if you could teach me how to use it properly.


1. Biggest complaint. In threaded view when you press up arrow and then down arrow, the cursor often times would go back to the original position. After some sighted assistance I figured out that it seems to be intentionally skipping over some emails, that are visually displayed in different tone (I think lighter) and Outlook probably thinks they are not ads important when you arrow down through them, but not if you arrow up. Which makes this view ridiculously confusing to me. Because I alwayss assume that up and down arrows are the opposites of each other. But Outlook is trying to be smarter here, I would call it too smart. So, is there a way to make up and down arrows to work as expected, e.g. cancel out each other?

2. Is there a way to know what level in the tree view you're currently at? So far I have to guess based on the title and the author of the email.


I think if I could have these two questions answered, I would take my words back about threaded view in outlook being unusable.

Best

Tony


On 2/13/2019 7:15 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 10:11 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
With Jaws, it works great, but not with NVDA.
Again, in what way?   It's impossible to make suggestions of any kind when assertions are not specific as to what you can do with one that you cannot do with the other.
 
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Re: Some mouse navigation questions

 

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 02:27 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
JAWS did not have capability to use the mouse
On this I just wish to be crystal clear:  JAWS did not, at one time, have mouse tracking where whatever happened to be under the mouse pointer as it was moved about the screen was announced.

A sighted assistant could still use the mouse as usual, and a blind or visually impaired user of JAWS still had access to the mouse emulation commands (or at least they have for a number of years now - I can't remember all the way back to JAWS 10 or earlier and I long ago ditched my documentation for the really old versions).
 
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Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Chris Shook
 

I apologize for any offense.
All I'm saying was that Brian cleared things up when he said that years ago, JAWS did not have capability to use the mouse, but that the issue has since been fixed.
Also, it was good to have the point of view of someone not involved in the discussion. You and I both had different experiences.
Brian did not and offered a third perspective in the conversation.


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

 

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 02:07 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
unbiased point of view
I wouldn't call it unbiased (though it probably is) but simply based on the fact that even when I'm tutoring individuals I still use the mouse extensively for efficiency's sake when I need to get something done to continue with my lesson.  Thus, I have tons of observational experience, and wanted to share it.

Nimer's report was correct, and I was not questioning it (not that I believe he thinks I was), but this is a case where who I am and what I do involves a lot of direct experience with both products and their behaviors.
 
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Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Nimer Jaber
 

What the hell does that mean? An unbiased point of view? Does me answering your question twice up to now not answer your question? Man, I am irritated, maybe I'd better crawl back under my rock.


On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 12:07 PM Chris Shook <chris0309@...> wrote:
Thanks Brian.
It was good to have updated information from an unbiased point of view.





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Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Chris Shook
 

Thanks Brian.
It was good to have updated information from an unbiased point of view.